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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #75 on: July 30, 2012, 05:31:51 PM »
It's looking so good-it will be worth all your hard work! :)

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« Reply #76 on: July 31, 2012, 06:47:50 AM »
Thanks MountainLady... I can't believe how much longer it has taken me then what I originally planed. However I sat down last night and revisited the schedule and I think I can still pull it off to get it weather tight by snowfall. It is such a different experience and learning curve than anything I have done previously. I have in the past and currently watched people's thread and wondered why it took so long. Well I can honestly say if this is such a learning curve for me then it is for others as well, things get way slowed down when only one person is on the project.

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« Reply #77 on: August 20, 2012, 04:52:07 PM »
Here we are back from vacation back to work both at work and at the mountain. My dad and I went out on the weekend and as usual he gave me a hand where he could but more importantly he brought to the table a little more knowledge and experience and guided me as opposed to helping me. We started out saturay morning with just the triple 2x8x16' hung for the loft. Left staring at it before vacation and spending some time thinkingabout it on vacation we came up with the plan. I have to interject that having friends with the right tools at the right time comes in handy. A buddy of mine had a 12' Plate level and let me tell you if you haven't used one those are awesome. Being able to level over a 12' span makes it easy not only to level out the lofts but both lofts together and the bridge all at once.

Much as Al's build the bridge connects 2 lofts. We finished the loft I had hung the triple beam for first.

It took a little time to get a rythem going. Got it installed on Saturday after work and placed a couple sheet of plywood up so I could get a spacial perspective of the project as well as the view from upstairs.



I haven't been able to get a good picture yet but in the background of the last picture on the horizon you'll find about 34 windmills, with starting in 2012 antoher 24 being erected as phase 2 of the project. Once we had the first loft up it allowed us with the plate level (Thanks Quinn) first thing Sunday morning to get the beam in place for the second loft. As we had just finished the day before loft one, loft two went soo much easier/quicker. Once both lofts were leveled off of each other the bridge was the easiest part of the project to date. I am going to order the trusses this week so theyy willl be ready in a few weeks, giving me an opportunity to get the floor sheeted and the walls sheeted and tyvek'd.

I forget who said it on one of their posts but I can appreciate at it more now.... "It gets really exciting once the vision starts to come together." At the end of Sunday night here is a few photos of how the lofts are done. I have other photos available in the photobucket site showing all the brackets installed, the triple beam in detail and how it is carried to pointload over the piers. Not to start the great peir debate over cause god knows that's not healthy. There is pictures in the photobucket site linked below as to how I done mine.

I forget who it was and I don't believe I ever did hear back but someone was going to look into and talk to the company of the one piece bigfoot tubes I used in my build. I think there was some mention in this thread a little while back. I would be interested to hear what they said not relive the pier debate :P. Hope you enjoy the photos as I have had creating them. I am always looking for feedback and or questions. Remember if there is a serious concern I would rather here about itnow as to once it is finished.....









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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #78 on: August 21, 2012, 03:55:47 AM »
I like the design of the bridge.....I think it will add flair while still keeping an open feel to the place. Must be starting to get a chill in the air up there? East TN is about 15 degrees cooler than average right now and it feels great but is also a reminder that the cold stuff will be here before we know it. Good work so far, keep it up!

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« Reply #79 on: August 21, 2012, 07:16:13 AM »
Thanks I appreciate it.

Chill, unfortunately it has been in the low to mid 80's here temperature wise for the last month with spikes into the low 90's. For here in Nova Scotia that's down right tropical (not that I'm complaining... :P) Hopefully if we can keep this weather up it might be a late winter which wouldn't hurt my feelings in trying to get what I need done to get to weather tight. There is still a bucket load of work to do, but I'll get it done.
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« Reply #80 on: August 21, 2012, 11:18:45 AM »
What are your loft supports on either side of the bridge,  2-2x12's?  I'm not sure if you'd go by the beam span table or what but I think you are over the tolerance there.

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« Reply #81 on: August 21, 2012, 03:34:41 PM »
Edges to the loft are 2-2x8 on each side of the 4' wide bridge and floor joists 16" O.C between the bridge span is approx 7'4" all connected by simpson floor joist brackets including the 2-2x8's where they connect to the loft ends. Under the one of the edges of the loft about 7' will be a load bearing wall. The other loft will be supported by threaded rod in the wall from below to the attic to negate the need for a post downstairs. I ran the design by a buddy of mine who builds house for a living, he didn't see any flaws with the plan from a code compliance perspective. also the plans were drawn by a professional who has been in the plans/blue prints business for 10+ years for a local large mechanical contracting company.

I would like to point out that about 36" under one end of the bridge on one side is supported by a closet end wall down stairs. I get it if we were talking point loads and occupied living space but the is a pedway bridge at best. i have to tell you I weigh in at 270+lbs and my dad at 180 and there was no give and all we did was lay a sheet of osb down, didn't even nail it down. Under neath is getting finished with 3/4" t&g and on top with double sheets of OSB. Should be pretty rock solid IMO!
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« Reply #82 on: August 21, 2012, 04:04:13 PM »
Mike, not to sound to ignorant I want to say thanks for your insight. This project has been being planned for close to a year now so sometimes my old math I forget. So I just went through some Canadian codes here in a few books and the first one I came to was in reference to building decks. It reads the following I hope this comes out right format.. "

      4'   5'   6'   7'   8'   9'   10'   11'   12'   13'   14'
8'   SYP   1-2x6   1-2x6   2-2x6   2-2x6   2-2x8   2-2x8   2-2x8   2-2x10   2-2x10   2-2x12   2-2x12
   P P   1-2x6   2-2x6   2-2x8   2-2x8   2-2x8   2-2x10   2-2x10   2-2x10   3-2x10   3-2x10   3-2x12

16'   SYP   2-2x6   2-2x6   2-2x8   2-2x8   2-2x10   2-2x12   2-2x12   3-2x10   3-2x12   3-2x12   Eng Bm
   P P   2-2x6   2-2x8   2-2x10   2-2x10   3-2x10   3-2x10   3-2x12   3-2x12   Eng Bm   Eng Bm   Eng Bm

Note: the calculations are done with pine not spruce like we have but you can see the math says 8' long joists support beams can be 8' apart with 2 2x8 which would support the bridge. Below 3- 2x8'16 supports will with a beam on approx 7.5-8' which would cover the edges and the loft support beams. i can go through the other stuff but building a deck should have comprible coding. I get a chance Ii'll go through the other reference material.

Thanks for the questioning. It is kind of like asking the kids if they did their homework the intial reaction is yes then there comes the hesitation, then they check the book bag to make sure it was done. I knew I had done the math at one point, always good to revisit it... :)
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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #83 on: August 23, 2012, 04:37:59 PM »
Gotcha,  I didn't know there would be walls breaking up that span. 

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« Reply #84 on: August 24, 2012, 04:55:41 PM »
You are making some good progress. I'm trying not to be too envious :)

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« Reply #85 on: August 24, 2012, 05:16:54 PM »
thanks going ou totmorrow to get the sheeting on this weekend.  Someone had said to me today that a good exterior grade paint would be enough to seal the osb for the winter, or should I still tyvek it?
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« Reply #86 on: August 25, 2012, 03:55:20 PM »
Wll we ventured out again today after a long week at work I decided to sleep in so I didn't get loaded up at the hardware store until 9:00am. Oh well the sleep in was worth it. I picked up 25 sheets of 7/16 OSB for the walls. It is funny how this site sticks out with you. When we got out there this morning and got are level  line drawn around the cabin it dwned on me the previous discussions about sheeting vertically or horizontally. I rationalized it out because our decision was split but then I remembered a thread from a while ago. Right wrong or indifferent but I think my memory was correct we sheeted horizontally across the wall rather then hanging vertical sheets.
 ??? I hope I got that right  ???

We went around the Cabin once based on our level line we snapped figured it was easier then all we would have to do is drag the scaffolding around one way around the cabin.





After the second row was up and on we took a little break. To the right of the last photo in the trees there is a little mossy clearing, so we laid in there looking up into the sky for about 30 minutes while we rested. I have to tell you it was enough to bring tears to a grown man's eyes. My dad and I laying there looking up at the sky watching the clouds form. The saddest part of that moment is I can't remember the last time I slowed down long enough to watch the clouds! I work depending on the week 50-70/hours it was a solicie reminder of why I am building this cabin.





Once we had enough bonding time to speak of we went eagerly back to work. We moved onto the second floor. Again funny how things stick with you from here i remembered a conversation about sheeting the second floor and the bridge and  we had determined after legnthy review that it was best on an 8' bridge to start in the middle and span 4' onto the bridge and 4' in the lof to make a stronger support on the connection. Anyways we glued and nailed down the 3/4" OSB flooring down. We got about 75% down anyways then we ran out of PL Premium. Before we cleaning up for the night I took the following shots to give an understanding of how it worked.









 As always I always take one picture from the truck before we leave for the night. I have to say this is the best photo I have ever taken based on the lighting and everything.



When I got home my son had lost his second tooth this week... kind of exciting around the house tonight in anticipation of the tooth fairy.

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« Reply #87 on: August 26, 2012, 05:36:11 AM »
Good stuff Colchester! I think a lot of us are just as guilty when it comes to letting those clouds pass by...looks like you are building a great place to enjoy watching them with your family though! Beautiful site!

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« Reply #88 on: August 26, 2012, 05:45:52 AM »
Great pics and posts!  I too always try to take a picture from the truck when leaving!  Something about the cabin pulling on my heart strings ;)

Glad you can do this with your dad!  Mine's too far away to join me at ours and in his '70's and not in great shape but some day soon I hope to get him there.

Meanwhile, I build our cabin with my son's whenever I can get them there now!  (they were there the first two years).

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« Reply #89 on: August 26, 2012, 03:55:36 PM »
You are right, the parting shot of your cabin is great - the colors/contrasts, the way the clouds & grass looks - all captured so beautifully! 

I remember how my dad loved to see the progress on our underground cabin...  he'd just smile real big & start dreaming.  He wasn't able to get up here much due to health & has been gone for over 4 years now.  Enjoy the time you have with your dad - it's wonderful that you are able to work on the cabin together  :)

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« Reply #90 on: August 26, 2012, 06:35:29 PM »
It's amazing how each step adds to the progress. The parting shot of your cabin is awesome. What a great idea! Makes it worth all the hard work  ;D

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« Reply #91 on: August 26, 2012, 08:21:43 PM »
I enjoy the updates, good work! 

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« Reply #92 on: August 27, 2012, 01:29:09 AM »
It is nice to spend some quality time with my dad. I mean he has been a help mostly in the sense of guidance, he really can't lift or do much, but the conversation  and the laughter makes it worth while and the time pass. Its funny I was talking with my wife last night over supper and was commenting how nice it was to spend the time now. Growing up being a typical blue collar family and shift work I never had a strong bond with my dad early but am able to build that time and relationship with him now.

Sorry to hear about your loss 4 years ago Sassy. I'm sure he is looking down at your build project and smiling. I know I like to think my Nan is who passed away in May.

I am hoping to find an opportunity to slide out of work this afternoon and up to the truss mill to put the finishing touches on the design and figure out a timeline for delivery.
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« Reply #93 on: September 04, 2012, 03:58:17 PM »
So today started at 6:55am me jumping out of the shower to answer my cell phone. Guy on the other end of the phone says I got good news and bad. Of course you always start with the good. He goes on to say that the good news is my trusses are ready. I replied with that's aweome news considering I was told Friday at the earliest. After a long akward pause I said if that is the good news what's the bad? Now visualize this one foot in one foot out of the shower, I almost slipped and killed myself when he continued to tell me the bad. He say the bad news is that the trusses are on a truck heading my way. I told him they better not be on the way to me considering I live 30 minutes away. I told him he had several problems with this scenario:

1.) I have a full time job and is not a contractor
2.) my Business had been closed for 3 days due to a long weekend
3.) The above means that today Tuesday is like a Monday morning Sales meeting (did I forget to mention month end)
4.) I had to get the kids off to the sitter for the day
5.) Property is locked via gate
6.) the trusses were on a tractor trailer not the tandum we discussed as a tractor would never find it's way up the mountain unless it is a log truck driver... :)
7.) COD and the money is in my bank
8.) More importantly today's not going to work...

I wished him luck trying to reach his driver to turn him around. I hate it when people under promise and over deliver to try to make themself look good. In a mad panic to see what my options were I called a contractor buddy of mine he said I did the right thing to refuse delivery. he says the truss mill always gives them a couple of days notice for scheduling. Can we say HOLY S@#$%^T!!!!!

I followed up around noon to ensure my trusses made it back to the mill spoke with the guy who called me who didn't appoligze or nothing I asked if we were still on for Friday morning first thing and now he says we'll see what we can do. I mean if those trusses aren't there after all this I'll be fuming.

Thanks for letting me get through it all.... :) Night all hope tomorrow works out better than today!
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« Reply #94 on: September 05, 2012, 06:15:01 PM »
This is like a continuing saga story! Can't wait to hear the good conclusion  :) Cathy

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« Reply #95 on: September 13, 2012, 05:19:19 PM »
I hate computer crashes mid posting as I had everything laid out I'll revist the post in the next few days and post shots of the trusses that were put up on last weekend. Sorry guys!
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« Reply #96 on: September 17, 2012, 04:54:07 PM »
Saga Con't....

So by Thursday dinner time I still hadn't hear anything on the deliver of the trusses. I decided at this point I felt as I wasn't a builder or a contractor I was getting a little run around so I decided to call the owner of the truss mill and explain my situation from the start to end. He agreed, appologized and informed me it was a case of growing pains not neglect. He assured me that at 8:30am sharp Friday they would be there. So I book the day off work. I arrive at the property on September 7th to find that the tremendous amounts of rain have accumilated on the main floor. Its good news that I build it air tight, so tight water can't escape. I cut out the bottom plates in the doorway. There was about three inches of water inside.

Now as an interlude for those of you haven't hear we took Huricane Leslie about 100 miles off the East of Nova Scotia, that combined with a low pressure system moving west from Ontario and Quebec created a situation of about 185 mm(8") of rain in about 30 hour times frame. So much rain that we had the worst flooding in about 50 years. Our levys overflowed. Our area had streets flood that never ever have flooded before. But I digress...

The truss guy showed up at 8:30am by the time the truck was situated and I had a smoke with the driver and got the trusses on the roof it was about 9:15am.





So I went to pay the bill and the owner not only delivered on his promises to make the situation right he took 15% off of the bill. I was pumped so much so I tipped the driver some of the money I saved. It was a win win for eveyone. We set to work. We took 2 2x6x10 and nailed them to the outside wall vertical to give something to support the gable rafters to. We took a bunch of 1x4 strapping and pre cut it to legnth and once we had the inital truss set we used the pre-measured pieces as the temaorary braces. we toe nailed to the top plate then used the pieces and went edge to edge giving use supported vertical trusses.



We systematically worked our way across the roof until all the trusses were set. We then came back and took 2 12' pieces of 1x4 strapping and mesured out the edges of the trusses, we inserted the 1x4 strapping we measured through the truss web and stared on the end and reset and permently secured the trusses we followed the same procedure twice more on the back side of the roof. In order to set the roof we had to beat off a couple of the temp braces. We secured on the inside of the webbing so they would never have to be removed.





After the trusses we toe nailed and secured I cam back through and toenailed with 4" spiral nails and secured everything yet again. After that I came back behind and used huricane ties and tripple secured the roof down. Can never be too careful.





At the end of the day we were done by 2:00pm. We decided to call it a day. the next day I came back out with the kids and showed them what I was up to. we gathered all the stray nails and pieces of wood and stacked them all neatly. Raked the front so no nails became friends with my tires. lol!
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« Reply #97 on: September 17, 2012, 05:06:49 PM »
This past weekend I went back out after work on Saturday. I didn't get to the property until after 4pm so I set to work and laid out the studing on the top plate and window Jack and king stud locations. I made a several cuts and figure out how the day was going to unfold. Sunday I had the kids until about 12:00pm until the wife got off work. I proceeded to kent Building supplies and gathers a dozen more 2x6x8' and 2 2x10x8' for my headers and set off for the mountain. With a solid plan in place I proceed to frame in my gable ends to provide more support for when I'm crawling around laying down the plywood. In my eagerness to get it all down I laid out all my cuts I cut all the angles to match the peak then came back set the circular saw straight and proceeded to make the cuts. I initialled screwed up I cut a top plat and my headers 3" too short. I cut them to 38" instead of 41". Needless to say I measured from the inside to inside of the Jack studs not the Kings. Rookie Mistake :) It's all good as I'll use them for the header for the batheroom door downstairs later. I got both Gabel ends in except one hease as I mis-cut it. Oh well say le vie! At the end of yesterday here is the gable ends uptairs all framed in.







You can see in the last photo what I was taking about with the 2x6 set up the roof to secure the end gable truss to as in the last post. I took the following shot out of one of the tope floor windows as it captures the sunset over the trees view out this window.

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« Reply #98 on: September 17, 2012, 05:08:14 PM »
I have a few questions now about purlins and eaves overhangins, but i'll start a seperate thread for the under general forum..
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« Reply #99 on: September 17, 2012, 05:32:14 PM »
Probably ettiquite would dictate not to duplicate posts so I'll ask the second set of questions here. The questions surrounding the Gable ends and purlins I created a seperate thread I am looking for feedback on those as it is the next step of the project. this question pertains to snipping off the eaves end...

1.) Is there a common practise or is it preference on sloped facia board or right angle (90degree) to the ground?

2.) Is it a matter of making a determination on the above question then measuring my distance I am looking for my overhang(soffet I belive - contracting terms I'm just learning), go 90 degrees to that plane and that is your rafter end cuts. As I am doing a boxed soffit attach a 2x4 to the wall then builing a support between that and the facia board to box it in?

Is that sounding about right, hope anyone reading this can get through my part-contractor jargon/ramblings and help out a fella!

Thanks in advance as I would like to button this up before I head upwards and onward to sheeting the roof.
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