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Title: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 02, 2012, 01:40:57 PM
Hey all I have been lurking like most starting to blog about their build. I have been doing some extensive research on different articles for my build project like collecting rain water for grey water use, alternative off grid living ideas, and most importantly building ideas and concepts. My father owns 25 acres about 25 minutes from here. On his property a number of years ago we built a small 12x12 cabin if nothing else to lay claim to the land.

Over the last year of so as my now family gets older I have been pondering options as whether to add to his cabin, and have recently concluded in starting an additional place for me to call home. I welcome any ideas and suggestions as we have recently embarked on this journey of which I will try and follow from start through to finish. I am very excited as this is far from anything I have done in the past. I am a paper monkey at a car dealership not a contractor by any stretch of my imagination. Should be a great adventure if nothing else.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 02, 2012, 02:09:44 PM
 w*   Where will your build be located at?  Sometimes it helps to answer some questions later.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 02, 2012, 02:57:57 PM
Nova Scotia, Canada about an hour north of Halifax.  Pretty excited...

Day 1 Clearing brush and making room
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Day 2 Cleaning up the clearing and making way for the excavation this weekend for the footings.
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Can't really tell with the following picture (on the ridge) but once the cabin is built off the front deck will overlook a 54 Megawatt Windmill turbine project nearby... (hope the pictures post properly)
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Full photobucket picture album of build project ( http://s1156.photobucket.com/albums/p566/ColchesterCabin/Cabin%20Project/ )
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: NavyDave on May 02, 2012, 03:04:13 PM
Nova Scotia is gorgeous, I've spent some time in Halifax and have spent quite a few overnights in St. Johns as well......I've always dreamed of buying some land up there. Welcome!
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 02, 2012, 03:33:17 PM
I made two trips up that way on vacation. Cape Briton Trail.  Ferry from Bar Harbor .ME to Halifax then the drive. Beautiful country. 
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: MountainDon on May 02, 2012, 04:09:35 PM
 w*   I'd just like to insert a thought before you get started. If you have any questions, no matter how odd you might think them to be, ask them before using tools and so on.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 02, 2012, 05:07:35 PM
Thanks MountainDon tomorrow I'll try and scan my plans for the foundation portion of the build to see what everyone thinks. They were drafted by a guy I know that does house plans locally plus is the lead coordinator for a huge mechanical company here in town, in exchange for me helping rebuild his garage after the bon fire got out of control (but that's another story..  ;D )
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: AdironDoc on May 03, 2012, 02:38:43 AM
Beautiful spot! I think I could sit in the grass there for hours and watch as the clouds roll by. Im also very near a wind farm and they are quite a sight to see. Makes me happy knowing all that power came without "being put over a barrel" I'm also be looking forward to seeing your progress. Welcome.


Doc
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 03, 2012, 04:20:48 AM
MountainDon as promised I hope you can expand and see the plans so I can get some good feedback. The cabin is going to sit on 12 8' concrete sonotubes excavated to the frost line. the outside is 2PLY 2x8 presure treated along with center posts as well. The inside floor joist are 2x6 pressure treated 16" OC with hanger brackets on both ends as well as nailed.

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The terain is very rocky so much so that the ecavation guy is bringing his largest excavator cause even he finds it tough to dig in the ground up there.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 04, 2012, 09:59:50 AM
Well just got back from the lumber store with my concrete forms ready to go for tomorrow morning. Can wait to get these in the ground. If all goes smooth sometime next week poor the concrete and be ready for the long weekend in may to rock and roll with lumber to start with the deck and working my way up....

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MD any thoughts on the foundation plans....
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: MountainDon on May 04, 2012, 03:23:24 PM

MD any thoughts on the foundation plans....

I'm not sure I know enough about the balance of the project; such as how the roof is oriented and supported. Is this to have a loft or second floor. What is the possible snow load? Are the winds expected to be below 90 mph or is there the possibility of higher wind speeds as in much of the coastal and near coastal USA?

To my eye the beam layout is not conventional. The norm is to run main beams in the long direction, under each wall in the same manner that would be used with a building on a full perimeter concrete or block foundation wall. Then, if needed a beam down the center to support the floor and maybe upper floors and/or the roof ridge beam.  Floor joists would then run across the narrow dimension of the building. That's just more commonly seen, not to say this is wrong.

 Like I said, I don't know what's going on top so really can not pass judgement, but I do wonder if those doubled 2x8's are truly adequate for the foundation, but that in part depends on details I do not know.

Pier foundations will not pass building codes. They are the least stable of all foundations. That's a lot of concrete that could be used towards a full perimeter footing.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 04, 2012, 05:41:20 PM
Good points MountainDon I suppose it would help to have the plans. they are still being worked on which is why I hadn't posted. The intention is to be comprible to Lemay's build with the dual loft with a bridge upstairs, fairly open layout for the main floor. I will post the plans on Monday when back to work as I can convert them to an appropriate format for posting.  Your one of the site legends so I welcome your's and anyone's input.

The original plans were to run the conventional beams length ways then put the floor on top and hurricane tie it in. But then we looked at weight loads and supports and the reason we went this way is everything is centered on 8 ft spacing so when it came to upstairs loft like Lemay's for instance the point loads (beams) are carried at 8' straight through to the pier below. We also figured it would be a little stronger based on our coding(as each 8ft 2x6 would be hung with hangers on each end for support), little cheaper as to avoid the 16' long 2x6, more manageable project as it can be done in sections across the floor( as it is only me and my father for now, couple guys from work scattered throughout...)

As for the ceiling I think based on cost and efforts to go with a engineered rafter set on the roof mechanically as to do the homemade ridge beam rafters as we get a lot of snow here on the mountain and with my abilities I thought why mess with that. It would suck to spend all this effort and money to have it come crashing down. Last year where we are building for instance received approx 4ft+ of snow.  Like I mentioned I'll get the plans up on Monday.  Wish me luck tomorrow I have more to post then.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 05, 2012, 10:40:49 AM
Surprisingly took four hours or so do do all the digging, leveling, setting the footings, and back filling and cleaning up. Here is the final result on the footings.

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Now I am able to visualize everything a little better now, and with that it concludes day 3 tomorrow have to go back up with the laser level and set a height on the tubes and prepare for concrete.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: hhbartlett on May 05, 2012, 02:23:41 PM
Nice work! Just wanted to chime in, I'm in NS too but looking to build in NB. Looks like you're building up near the Cobequid pass? I know lots of people with camps around Wentworth.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: hhbartlett on May 05, 2012, 02:25:27 PM
Just a question, are you planning to put the 2 x 6's between the beams, or on top of them?
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 05, 2012, 03:48:59 PM
hhbartlett Thanks! More in between Truro and New Glasgow area stones throw from the 104 snowmobile and 4wheeler trail. The lines on the drawing are 2 ply laminated 2x8 then stringing 2x6 between them for the floor joists. Joists are both nailed and strung with joist hangers as well. We went this way as eventually we will have a dual loft with a bridge and the supports for the loft are triple 2x6 stretching 16 ft across with one end support by a wall and the other by a 3ply 2x6 beam and all points correspond to the point load then to the supports below.

Well that's the game plan anyways. You know what happened with the best laid plans...lol

With so much countryside available in NS why not build something a little closer to home? That was a determining factor for me as I wanted something far enough from home to be removed to everything but close enough to have continuous use all year. For me it is only about 30 minutes from dooryard to dooryard. I think if I was too far I feared I would be spending the money for once maybe twice a year and for that I could rent somewhere.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: hhbartlett on May 06, 2012, 04:26:08 AM
hhbartlett Thanks! More in between Truro and New Glasgow area stones throw from the 104 snowmobile and 4wheeler trail. The lines on the drawing are 2 ply laminated 2x8 then stringing 2x6 between them for the floor joists. Joists are both nailed and strung with joist hangers as well. We went this way as eventually we will have a dual loft with a bridge and the supports for the loft are triple 2x6 stretching 16 ft across with one end support by a wall and the other by a 3ply 2x6 beam and all points correspond to the point load then to the supports below.

Well that's the game plan anyways. You know what happened with the best laid plans...lol

With so much countryside available in NS why not build something a little closer to home? That was a determining factor for me as I wanted something far enough from home to be removed to everything but close enough to have continuous use all year. For me it is only about 30 minutes from dooryard to dooryard. I think if I was too far I feared I would be spending the money for once maybe twice a year and for that I could rent somewhere.

I know that area a little bit, my sister-in-law lives in Bible Hill. Also used to go picking chanterelle mushrooms down that way in my younger years; from the looks of your place I'd bet you will be able to find all kinds of them on your property.

I probably would have built in Wentworth somewhere, but an opportunity came up last year to buy the old family homestead for a good price so I jumped on it. It's land where my ancestors came to NB in 1807 and lived there continuously until  a few years ago when the house burnt down. My father grew up there, and I remember visiting grandparents there since I was a kid, so there's a sentimental connection, plus it just feels like "home" for me. There's quite a history there and I I hadn't bought it, it would have been gone from the family forever. Plus, and it came with the original 1807 barn, an almost brand new well & concrete septic system, driveway and flat gravelled spot where the house used to be  ;D We plan to live there full time. It's pretty rural and basically in the woods, but 10 minute drive to town.

In my amateur opinion your layout makes sense, I can't imagine you'd have any problems with that setup. Only thing I might do differently is go with 2 x 8's for floor joists for a stiffer floor, I never liked 2 x 6's, even the deck I built last fall used 2 x 8's. That's just me though.  I looked at that plan with the dual lofts myself, I like it but we're not 100% sure what we're doing yet. Mine might now end up being a hybrid mobile home based cabin in the name of speed and cost savings, but I also plan to build a small studio cabin for working on the property.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 06, 2012, 06:15:44 AM
I here you on the history and sentiment part. My build is on my dad's 25 acre parcel of land. My Grandmother passed away last month and my brother inherited her place so my dad is going to sign this land over to me. There is a lot of history as it is an original piece to Capt Irving's land grant from when the Scottish/English first settled in Nova Scotia years ago. Actually about a kilometer up the road there still lies the Irving Cemetary although it is all grown up now. Some of the stones date back late 1700 through to 1887. So pretty awesome.

The max distance on the 2x6 span is less than 8 feet with joist hangers so it should be plenty stiff. I wish I had a engineered septic system on site and a well, as it was a selling feature of this project for my wife, a flushing toliet..  ;) So I came across a wiki how link for a DYI Septic which I think might work in our case. Also a plan online to capture rain water and use for the grey water and filter a line for the future show/hot water heater and kitchen sink. Well that is the plan anyways....lol A long ways until I get there. ;D more about that a little later...
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: hhbartlett on May 06, 2012, 10:37:25 AM
You might be able to drive a sand point well where you are for water. Something to investigate. They're good for occasional use places, cheap and easy to put in (just need pipes and a big sledge hammer basically). I don't know your area specifically, but I had a buddy in the valley in similar looking terrain that put one in years ago. It worked well. Just don't plan on filling a swimming pool or anything with it. Recycling grey water for the toilet is another good water saver, I actually know a guy here in town that does that. His only problem was he had teenage girls, meaning alot of hair down the shower drain so cleaning out the holding tank was more often than he liked.  ;D
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: hemfir on May 07, 2012, 08:16:15 AM
 ???Interesting build and nice area. I started with a similar girder layout but it is a deck that I want to convert to a small cabin. Long and short is to avoid the dreaded phrase from the building inspector "get it engineered" I have over specified using 4ply 2x10 with joists spanning 8'. The interesting observation in looking at Canadian Wood Council span tables is that no values are published for built up wood beams below 3ply 2x8.  A good capsulization of these codes can be found at: Beam and Joist Span tables -The City of Nanaimo...... cheers and keep the pictures coming
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 07, 2012, 09:26:17 AM
hhbartlett - Like most things I do I am swinging towards collecting and reusing rainwater off the back side of the metal roof. I am still researching this issue and like my septic I'll have to do a speerate thread for imput on that design and build. But more or less collect it and recycle it for toliet and filter it for sink/showering later on down the road. In the interim I carry my water mostly pop for mix... :) but like rule 7 (I think) only after the hammers are done.... LOL

hemfir - Thanks like I previously mentioned I am the business manager at a dealership in town, this project is the most ambitious of my projects to date so I appreciate the encouragement. I was thinking as the center section is a slightly longer than 8 feet to then use the cut off peices for lateral supports between joists. It would add a little rigidity I think!
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Squirl on May 07, 2012, 09:36:27 AM
I'm surprised about the Canadian codes.
The Girder/header span tables are published in the ICC.  No engineering required.
I did a short guide on how to read the charts.
http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=10511.0

It depends on the layout.  An 8 ft span for 4-2x10's may be a lot or a little depending on the load distribution, snow load, etc.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 07, 2012, 09:39:58 AM
MountainDon as I mentioned earlier here are the first draft plans the main floor layout is being tweaked still (Ie: door loacations windows and such) but over all basic structure is going to be roughly the same. Hoperfully the floor joisting may make some more sense when you look at both peices of the puzzle.

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Thinking of compromible idea as to others. Wood stove in the corner by the stairs and running not sure either double wall or single wall stove pipe straight up. I think it might be better for draft but not sure rather then out the side wall then up. Any ideas to the plans would love to hear them, before I get too far along....
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 07, 2012, 10:20:06 AM
So Squirl if I am reading correctly off your charts you included in your post according to the layout on a 16' span with no overhang and all joists supports by no more than a 7' 10' span I should be ok with with the double 2x8 laminated offset joints???
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: MountainDon on May 07, 2012, 10:28:40 AM
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offset joints

??? does this refer to the "staggered joints" in the foundation plan?  Or... ???

If so, unless a real life licensed structural engineer has designed and affixed his stamp to the plans, meaning he is staking his professional life on this, joints in structural members should always be over a support. IMO.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 07, 2012, 10:38:31 AM
The joist spans for the second floor are 3ply 2x6 no joints. the foundation plans are all multiply 2x8 with staggered joints over pier. Sorry MD yes offset joints I meant to say staggered joints over a pier. Sorry for the confusion long day still tired out from the weekend putting in the piers. 

Hopefully sometime this week or next going to pour concrete 3500 psi  and set up for the May 20th long weekend here in Canada. I have a long weekend from work I may as well take som advantage of the situation and try to get the main floor done or a good start on it done, plus my brother is coming home from Alberta for my Gram's internment, I love to have more to show him for when he gets home. Plus have something lined up for him to do...lol  ;D
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Squirl on May 07, 2012, 11:23:58 AM

I took a look at your floor plan.  Am I correct that the first floor will not have any interior load bearing walls and that the second floor weight will be carried by girders to posts and then directly down to the foundation?  That is perfectly fine, but I am just trying to calculate the load distribution.

I do like the floor plan for the second floor.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 07, 2012, 04:08:32 PM
Thanks the second floor is supported on one end by the bathroom wall beside the stair case and on the other side by a 3 ply 2x6 over pillar to transfer the weight.... I would be very interested in knowing the math and weight load.

On the set of plans in process with windows and door placements, elevations and such the wood stove would be placed in the L of the stair case with a double lined flue running straight up and out the rook. I figure according to code here I have to go 3 ft above the highest point of the roof within 10 ft. So with only a 16 ft wide floor plan then the peak would be the highest point within 10 ft. I figured better draft with the flu running inside and straight up as opposed to out then cooling the flue as it rised outside the cabin. Plus protruding from the roof within a couple feet of the peak I would only have say 4-5ft of pipe to brace as opposed to upwards of 10 ft of pipe. We get a lot of snow at times up here so with the metal roof less chance of shearing it off with the snow/ice sliding off the roof in the winter. Does that sound like a fair assessment?
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Squirl on May 08, 2012, 06:44:21 AM
Ok, lets start at the roof and work our way down. For estimation purposes.

 I will assume a gable roof on the resting on the 24 foot long walls. I read in on source that was not official that halifax has a gound snow load of around 50 pounds per square foot. So I will use that for the math.  I will use 10 psf for materials dead weight.  So you have 384 square ft X 60 pounds per square foot for 23,040 lbs resting on the 24 long walls.  That would be 11,500 lbs per wall.

If you rest the first and second floor weight on the piers and girders for center 16 long walls, then the 11,500 lbs from the roof plus the weight of the walls should be most of the weight for the 24 long girders.  The chart has a table for 50psf and a 20 ft wide building with just the roof and ceiling load.  Even though your building is 16ft wide, I think with the extra weight of the wall materials, I would round up to the 20 ft.  Because your largest span on these girders is 8ft, according the the chart, these girders should be at least 2-2x12s, 3-2x10's or 4-2x8's (it looks like a typo of a 6 instead of a 8 in the chart).
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 08, 2012, 07:22:10 AM
Squirl that's awesome and mad math skills.  By the sounds of it according to the charts I could be a little light. I understand the math now but it seems that it doesn't account for the internal 7'l oad bearing wall or the 3 ply 2x6 beam (6x6 beam) carry the weight over the posts. Morale of the story is not all the weight is distrubuted over the external walls alone. The centre pillars and interanl walls have to be factored in the math, am I not correct?

I don't want to been a stickler I just want to make sure I am not under supporting my structure...
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Squirl on May 08, 2012, 08:14:48 AM
No my math so far was only for the external 24 long walls. 

Because your 2x6 floor joists will be running parallel to the 24 long walls and resting on the 16 ft long girders supported in the center, most of the weight of the first and second floors will not be resting on the 24 ft long wall. In a little while I will try to make some calculations of the load on the 16 ft girders.  They get more complicated.

As you can see from the charts and the math that spans over 6 ft becomes more difficult.  Also a common mistake that I have seen over the years is when people add a lot of center rows of girders, but don't realize that the entire weight of their roof with wind and snow rests on the outside walls.  The way you ran your beams and joists parallel and with center girders cuts down on the weight on the 24 ft long wall.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Squirl on May 08, 2012, 08:34:57 AM
From the code chart you can visualize sizing.  For a 16 ft wide building the beams can span slightly longer than the span listed in the 20ft column in the chart.  For a safety margin and ease of use, I tend just to round up to a 20 ft wide.  If you had run your roof and both floors on the just the outside to span the 8 ft you would need 4-2x12 girders and that would be the maximum distance you could span by code in a 50 lb snow load area. Because you hung your floors from the 16 ft girders, you can get that down to 2-2-12s.

Taller is generally stronger in beams. Notice from the charts 2-2x10s can span longer than 3-2x8s.  It is similar to the principle of I-beams or I-joists. In engineering taller and thinner can be stronger than shorter and fatter.

Additionally you can see why buildings are designed from the top down.  Girder and foundation sizing is dependent upon roof choice, second floor distribution, and first floor distribution.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 10, 2012, 04:45:17 AM
Well it has been pretty much a solid week of rain here. Around these parts the concrete guys don't pour on the weekends  and with this weekend being Mother's Day, looking like sometime next week before I can get the pillars poured.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Squirl on May 10, 2012, 03:50:26 PM
Sorry I have been busy with work, I have had time to get the 16 foot girder calcs.
http://publicecodes.citation.com/icod/irc/2009/icod_irc_2009_5_sec002_par021.htm

The second floor girders will be supporting 1 floor only (the second floor).  The code has a chart column for a 20 ft wide building.  So the one at the top of your drawing (over the kitchen) will span around 9 ft. This will carry half the load off of each end of the beam, so I will estimate that the beam will carry a floor area of 8 ft x 9 ft or 72 square ft.
Now the code chart has a 20 ft wide column.  Which means the beams will have to hold half the weight (10 ft) times whatever span is listed in the chart.  In the chart 2-2x10s can handle around 70 square ft of floor and 3-2x8s around 72 square ft. 
So for the 9 ft span for the second floor, you would probably be close to code limits with 3-2x8s or 2-2x10s.

I did just notice that the span on the between the posts and the wall is 9, and the spacing on the pier foundation is 7-10 which means you will be resting most of the weight from your second floor on two concentrated spots not over the foundation.  Someone with more experience can let you know if it will be a problem.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 10, 2012, 04:44:56 PM
Squirl you and MD are the reason I started posting here. I think to solve the problem I just have to adjust the 3ply post to be over the peir. I think that was the intention but I'll check with my guy who planned it out so far... that way the post is over the pillar and the bathroom wall supporting the other half is over one of the center joists  running at the 16' length which should transfer everything equally.

That is an ecellent attention to detail. Have a beer tonight on me  [cool]
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 11, 2012, 03:09:00 PM
OK, this build is starting to have it's moments....lol Appearently based on the foundation plan posted previously you can not get stock brackets at the local lumber store do what I need them to do to. They have all sorts of 4x4 post to peir connectors, lots of straight support peices for all sorts of 2x lumber, however, what they don't have and can't get it pier brackets for the corners and ones for the intersecting 'T' connections required by the plan.

(https://countryplans.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1156.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp566%2FColchesterCabin%2FRequiredBrackets.png&hash=0515b982c7131ed25928a61b32657cc3)(https://countryplans.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1156.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp566%2FColchesterCabin%2FRequiredBrackets2.png&hash=4cc887fe710d65c9c2f365aeb5546d23)

Luckily I have connections at a Mechanical shop here in town. If I get them the plans by the end of the weekend I should have them designed/engineered and built by Thursday so I can pour my concrete and get the foundation prep work done. Planning on applying some lumber this Saturday and Monday(long weekend here in Canada). A very small set back but I'm sure as I go there will be many more like this... I love this kind of stuff finding creative solutions to solve problems I didn't know exsisted up until last minute...
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 14, 2012, 07:58:52 AM
Just found out the brackets have been engineered and will be produced and ready for Wednesday now pending a break in the weather,,, looking like a Thursday pour of concrete.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 17, 2012, 03:42:55 PM
Thursday May 17th,2012
Well today has been interesting as I sit here and unwind I wonder where the last three weeks have gone. Got to amdmit in three weeks with limited hours we have been able to accomplish alot. Today was concrete day! I feel I have to stop here and smile as I can't believe everything I have learned from both this forum and my building site. Got out to the property at around 9:30 after stopping at the concrete supplier and local lumber yard then a 30 minute drive. Off loaded the 2x8x16' for the outside of the main floor decking. Tomorrow I'll stop back and get the 2x6x8' floor joists and joist hangers. 

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I saw a neat trick here on the forum for the concrete once the posts were poured. I took the blade out of my 18V Dewalt Recipricating saw and put it against the tube and pulled the trigger working my way around the tube vibrating the tube to get the air pockets out of the concrete. It even impressed the concrete delivery guy as even he hadn't seen it done that way before...

I decided that between at the bottom of my floor joists I would ripp down 1x3 strapping and nail to the bottom of my 2x6 floor joists then on top of that I am ripping down peg board gluing and and nailing on the outside. i figure the holes will provide ventilation as well as the holes should be small enough to keep critters out. Onto of the pegboard batt insulation, topped with vapour barrier and T&G Plywood for sheeting on top. There will be about at 12" space under the cabin so should have enough breathing ability. There will eventually be skirting around the base of the Cabin with vents.

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For those of you here in the forum (MD, Don_P, etc.) does this sound like a workable plan?

P.S. Excuse the MSPaint drawings...lol!
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 17, 2012, 04:01:48 PM
The peg board might not be your best choice.  Mice will whittle out enough to gain entry.  After all it is just pressed paper product.  Your better alternative would be hardware cloth or commonly known as rabbit wire.  Welded wire in 1/4" blocks.

If you are planning on adding the insulation prior to your subfloor you will be taking a big chance that it will get wet prior to drying in your cabin unless you are extremely fast.  Might I suggest at least Advantex which will give better protection than regular T&G subfloor.  Even then there will be some water penetration with your best effort.  Using a latex caulk on the seams will help as well.

If this is the route you are intending to persue you could use the hardware cloth by bending a 1" flange on each side and nailing them onto the inside of the floor joist, then lying your insulation upon that.

Generally the insulation is placed in the joist cavity after the roof is erected to prevent water damage.  But if you can keep it dry your way is OK too.   

Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 17, 2012, 04:18:39 PM
Redoverfarm.. I was wondering that which is why I posted about it. As for the insulation the sub floor and is going on the same day as the insulation is going in the joists. I was told that the vapour barrier goes to the warm side which would be right under the sub floor. I have already bought a 24x30 tarp at Canadian Tire today as it was on sale and I intend on wrapping the decking and stapling the tarp down as according to my schedule there will be about a 2 week window to get back to building again. Can I use the stapler to attach the hardware cloth? as that would be convient and simple way of attachment.

I hae never heard of advantex I have to look into that as well.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 17, 2012, 04:43:21 PM
Not real sure of the availability in NS but it is well worth the extra cost verses regular T&G either ply or OSB.  Here is a site for their product.  Might see a close distributor.  Carried here by Lowes and HD.  There is also a product called Surfloor which is waterproof subfloor as well.

http://www.huberwood.com/main.aspx?pagename=advantechflooring

If you have the room to use a hammer tacker it might work but generally you are limited to 1/2" staple in those as well as T-50 staple guns.  If you can find a crown stapler (air powered) it would work best if you have a compressor.  Another alternative is just 1" roofing nails.

Sorry for the misspelled Advantech. 
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: MountainDon on May 17, 2012, 05:18:56 PM
Ditto John on the floor insulation going in now being a gamble. I thought of doing that myself on our cabin but changed my mind and as it turned out is was a good thing I did. It got rainy and the heavy plastic, even though new, leaked enough to pass plenty of water. After it was dried in I could see where water had leaked through a few joints in the subflooring. The big advantage to Advantec is that it does not delaminate even if it pours rain for days.

Just FYI, foundation wood (beams) closer than 12 inches to the ground should be PT while floor joists are pgiven 18 inches.

As for the pegboard, it depends on whether or not the rodents are aggressively curious.  :-\
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 18, 2012, 01:19:40 AM
Thx MountainDon even at 12-18" the 2x material used in my decking is all going to be pressure treated. I can't seem to get a product like Advantech here that i can find right now. I was thinking...Is there something I could paing on the plywood to seal everything up to create the same effect? I was thinking of using a 1/2" pressure treated plywood...
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 18, 2012, 01:27:24 AM
Thx MountainDon even at 12-18" the 2x material used in my decking is all going to be pressure treated. I can't seem to get a product like Advantech here that i can find right now. I was thinking...Is there something I could paing on the plywood to seal everything up to create the same effect? I was thinking of using a 1/2" pressure treated plywood...

I would not go with anything less than 3/4" on the subfloor.  Standard for the wall sheeting seems to be 1/2" and 5/8" for the roof sheeting. 
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 18, 2012, 02:23:13 AM
What about an asphalt sealer like for driveways as it will be open for a while the fumes should never be an issue plus when I finish the interior laterit'll be covered over. OR whoudl the chemicals in the selaer react and do more harm then good?
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 18, 2012, 02:37:00 AM
What about an asphalt sealer like for driveways as it will be open for a while the fumes should never be an issue plus when I finish the interior laterit'll be covered over. OR whoudl the chemicals in the selaer react and do more harm then good?

Don't think if it were mine I would go that route.  Instead I would caulk the seams, allow to dry then followed by using a good grade of exterior paint as a last resort.  Tarps & plastic will not weather very well if left for an extended period of time.  If you use a tarp/plastic I would tack down a 2X mid center of the floor and stretch the tarp taunt which would give some pitch for the water to drain off the sides/end. 
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 18, 2012, 02:42:39 AM
Now RED that sounds like a great plan that I could manage. Thanks see the simple things one doesn't think of moving a mile a minute... :)
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: hhbartlett on May 18, 2012, 02:58:23 AM
Thx MountainDon even at 12-18" the 2x material used in my decking is all going to be pressure treated. I can't seem to get a product like Advantech here that i can find right now. I was thinking...Is there something I could paing on the plywood to seal everything up to create the same effect? I was thinking of using a 1/2" pressure treated plywood...

You could use Thompson's Water Seal. Cheap and easy to put on, bonus being your floor will never rot from water leaks in years to come. I think if you use regular T&G plywood subfloor, with water seal, and a big tarp you'll be fine. I know they talk about Avantech on this forum but I've never seen it around here either. I'm guessing there's a premium price for it.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: hhbartlett on May 18, 2012, 03:00:04 AM
You could use Thompson's Water Seal. Cheap and easy to put on, bonus being your floor will never rot from water leaks in years to come. I think if you use regular T&G plywood subfloor, with water seal, and a big tarp you'll be fine. I know they talk about Avantech on this forum but I've never seen it around here either. I'm guessing there's a premium price for it.

P.S. Bungee cord the tarp around your piers. Staples won't hold in a wind, but the tarps should have metal eyelets for bungee cord purposes.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: hhbartlett on May 18, 2012, 03:02:07 AM
Don't think if it were mine I would go that route.  Instead I would caulk the seams, allow to dry then followed by using a good grade of exterior paint as a last resort.  Tarps & plastic will not weather very well if left for an extended period of time.  If you use a tarp/plastic I would tack down a 2X mid center of the floor and stretch the tarp taunt which would give some pitch for the water to drain off the sides/end.

Part in bold = great idea.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 20, 2012, 12:35:47 AM
You could use Thompson's Water Seal. Cheap and easy to put on, bonus being your floor will never rot from water leaks in years to come. I think if you use regular T&G plywood subfloor, with water seal, and a big tarp you'll be fine. I know they talk about Avantech on this forum but I've never seen it around here either. I'm guessing there's a premium price for it.
That's cool I'll try that. hhbarltett did you try the link I suggested for the place in Moncton for cheap windows and doors?
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 20, 2012, 01:11:18 AM
Was back to the property again yesterday and I can't belive how much we got done. mind you based on the plan it was like putting a jigsaw puzzle together so that the 2x6 floor joists could be nailed from the ends with the framing nailer as everything is double 2x8 main beaming. After a little thought we managed to get it done in stages. First we built the 16x16 part of the frame, secondly we built the 8x16' part of the frame then joist it, then dropped the 8x16' section back in the saddles.

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Then we elevated the 16x16' ft section and hung the joists in the first 8x16' section leaving the middle joists section. For the center section we built it elevtated on the top section then dropped it into the 16x16' section the nailed the joists on the remaining edge then dropped the whole 16x16' section back into the saddels. I couldn't believe it everything was square and level.

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My Dad and I each looked at ourselves and agreed that any better would definately be deserving of at least $25/hour each... In my amatuer thought process I only figured on getting the outside perimeter finished yesterday and finish the joists tomorrow(Monday), however, (let me pause for moment and say anyone starting or working on a build project right now the best tool in IMO would be the cordless Pasloade Framing Nailer CF325, it must have saved about 6 hours worth of pounding nails with no cords to drag around...sorry I digress) we are able to get everything in place and about 8 hours later we are ahead of my schedule by at least a day. For someone who is funding this as he goes no credit or loans that is both a good thing and a bad thing. My brother flys in from Alberta tonight so I'm going to put him to good use Monday.

On Monday should be "Offical Jig Day" all that's left to get there is the ripping the peg board to fit between the joists. Painting and sealing the peg board, hanging the 66 joist hanger brackets, Insulating and then laying down the sheeting, sealing and then tarping. All in all it was a great day and here is some photos of the where we are at now(please note the center joists are left out as the interfered with the center saddle and I am still figuring out the best thing to dostagger slightly outside of 16' centers)

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Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: flyingvan on May 20, 2012, 04:19:49 AM
Looks great---where is your plumbing going to enter/exit?  Looking at your soil and crawl space (actually belly scoot space)  if there's any under the house trenching to do, might be easier before you get the floor down.  Same with your floor insulation---you probably scheduled it like this but you can put it in from the top just before you put the subfloor down.  Is there any wiring crossing under the floor?
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 20, 2012, 04:31:11 AM
Yeah Been giving it some thought the biggest crawl space is under the back corner where the bathroom is going to be. The intended use is purely right now recreational so for water I am going to collect off of the metal roof on the back side(bathroom side) elevated for pressure with a first flush diverter, then once inside going to filter it for washing/showering. The grey water will run out sepearately and the toliet will flsuh into a DYI similar to the one listed in wikihow. Using three 55 gallon barrells in tandem then running out into a drainage field. Tis the plan right now, like everything looks good on paper. all wiring is being run through exterior walls.

it has been truly an experience so far and there is way more to go!
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: flyingvan on May 20, 2012, 08:41:38 AM
Remember that per the electrical code, you have to be able to walk through the house one end to the other turning lights on ahead of you and off behind you as you go.  This calls for three way switches (ie one by the door, the other at the stairs landing) and this means a 'traveler' wire between the two switches.  You COULD run this wire all the way around the house but your chances of picking up a nail from inside or outside finish increases....You might consider running some under the floor now and just coil the ends up.  After you frame you can drill through and pull them up.
  Be kind to your future self and get as much future stuff in place as possible.  I was kicking myself yesterday for not painting the exposed deck timbers two years ago before I put them in.  Now they've weathered a little and I had to crawl around on my back to paint them, pulling weeds as I went.  I was just in a rush to get on to the next stage.  Woulda saved time overall had I done it then
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 20, 2012, 01:20:40 PM
That's good advise, however, the power provided will be a hybrid of batteries and generator for nighttime running so outlets will be few and far between although definately something to consider. I figure worry about getting it weather tight then the rest will follow...
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 20, 2012, 04:32:49 PM
Well I was just sitting here adding up my shopping list for tomorrow.  :) Very excited tomorrow should be traditional CountryPlans Jig Day!!!!! :) the honey to do list:
1.) Hang joist hangers
2.) Nail on 1x1 1/2 strapping to bottom of 2x6 joists
3.) Rip pegboard to fit joists
4.) install Pegboard
5.) Drop in insulation
6.) Vapor barrier
7.) lay down and install plywood 3/4" t&g
8.) Seal the outside with a waterproof cedar tinted sealant
9.) Tarp up for added protection.

Put it that way seems more than enough to do in a day. Plus my brother is flying in tonight so I should have him tomorrow for extra help. Adding up the total cost so far including buying a new chainsaw, gas, tool rental, excavation, concrete, and all materials to get the deck complete should put me into the project for about $3500 so far that's tax included (15% here is NS YEAH!!!)

hhbartlett as I know you may be reading this I am starting just starting to have a little doubt on the original $10k but I am sure going to give it a go that's for sure. Definately will be under or at most $12k.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 21, 2012, 03:45:07 PM
Too tire been a long day, even mowed the lawn when I got home, tucked the kids in bed, ate supper, now going to bed myself.... but first the highlight of the day ("THE JIG"). Been looking forward to this day for a little over a month now.

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The rest of the story and photos tomorrow...
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Sassy on May 21, 2012, 03:55:59 PM
 [cool]  Have a good night's sleep!
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: NavyDave on May 22, 2012, 10:58:05 AM
Colchester,

I can appreciate those long days! I'm on a much needed trip visiting my daughter in the Omaha area and it's a nice rest after building my 12X16 shed. I'll spend about 10 days on my Victoria foundation starting next week before my next trip. I've enjoyed following your build so far, I really like what Lemay did with his 16X24 and look forward seeing your spin on that design. Lots of hard work for sure!

Quick question about your pegboard....what were your thoughts on going that route? Seems like the wire idea of Redover's might be a little easier and maybe even cheaper with less of a chance of infestation. Not second guessing you, just interested on your thoughts since I'm on the fence of what to do below my Victoria cottage when the time approaches. Also what type of insulation did you use....I'm guessing less than R-30 with your 2X6 joists?

Great work! keep hammering!
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 22, 2012, 01:25:15 PM
Dave,

The thoughts behind the pegboard was to provide a barrier against rodents with holes to allow breathing for the insulation. I figured the pegboard holes were small enough to accomplish this and cheap enough for me to afford to do. When I got to the local lumber supply they only had 7 4x8' sheets in stock and I needed 12 i didn't figure with an order of 12 of calling ahead...lol when i got there we tried sourcing in stock solutions. My first thought was switching to the hardware cloth but the holds were bigger and I thought the chances were greater of a rodent getting into the insulation. The eventual solution was a 1/4 masonite of which I drille 1/2" holes in to allow for air. Turns out was less than half the cost of the pegboard. was only $6/ 4x8' sheet.

The insulation we used was for 2x6 R24 pink fiberglass batt insultion. Now that it is done and I reflect back I perhaps would have swapped the masonite for perhaps a silverboard 1" R5 insulation instead. Please don't take that as a regret but just a directional change. Overall as a first time ametuer I am very proud of the accomplishment so far. There is way more to go. I can't gauarentee and huge twists on lemay's design but should be diffrenet enough to call it my own :) (with my water collection and filtration system to my septic design and others.... should be a good run)

Thanks for the encouragement.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 24, 2012, 03:30:50 PM
Well Jig day has come and gone but as I was reading back over the posts I realized in being soo tired I failed to come back and post pictures on what we accomplished over the weekend. We strapped the underside, ripped the masonite and placed it between the joists snuggly used some pl premium on the strapping to give a little adhession to the masonite.

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Next we placed in R24 insulation in the joists followed by a double overlapped layer of 6 mil vapor barrier

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came back and finished it with 3/4" T&G Spruce plywood. I have a good friend who allowed me to borrow one of his paslode phneumatic nailer, wow what a time saver. It was a true treat when doing the framing and the plywood to be able to what I would call mass nail. All in all probably saved me about at least 8 hours of hammering nails. We finished it with a tarp we strapped on the edges should be good.

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Now it will be a couple of weeks before I get back to start with the walls. This weekend I have to drive about 4 hours and lay my grandmother to rest who passed away last month. My brother is in the military and he finally got home on Sunday, then we move into month end at work and with the Big Tent sale event it is looking like a nightmare busy finish to the month. From here much the same as lemay's build and looking for some input....

Thinking of going with 10' 2x4 walls with two triple ply 2x6 joists across to act as both braces and ties for the loft joists to span off of. I'll go back and check my thread to see if I have my floor plans on if not I'll throw them up and that way I can get some feedback before I trudge on...lol
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 24, 2012, 05:19:48 PM
Making good headway.  I got to wondering from your earlier discription of clearence off the ground and how moisture might effect the peg board.   ???  Normally when it gets damp it will sag or buckle.  Hindsight being 20/20 I would have probably run my support strips with the joist rather than perpendicular.  If they did sag it would be in the center and not left a gap along the joist for critter entry.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 25, 2012, 12:58:23 AM
That's the way we were originally going to do it, however, the labor intensive part ruled it out. So I know it is not the best picture but we put a strap about 6" from the end of the joist(for end support) then strapped every 12" to try and prevent just that. The strapping we had accounted for wasn't enough to change mid stream. We did give it some thought though. Moisture should be limited underneath I think as there is at least 12-16" all underneath for cross ventilation.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: paul s on May 29, 2012, 03:09:20 PM
I find this build a good bit interesting.  Could u build it a bit fasterso i can see the results sooner?
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on May 30, 2012, 01:21:55 AM
Paul I would love nothing more to build it quicker as that would mean I would get to enjoy it faster as well. I work 55hrs+/week at work plus my oother committments. What you see has been the hard part. It should go a lot quicker from here at least to be weather tight. Just the inbetween stages I find is like playing chess you have to think a couple of moves ahead. Code here would allow for 2x4 construction, however, I am trying to figure out the cost differential vs. the R factor difference vs. winter usage then it should be onward and upward.

I went away this weekend to lay my grandmother to rest and we stayed at a beautiful cabin and it gave me a lot of inspiration so I am trying incorporate some of the things I saw at that cottage. My goal is to have the plan partially figured out and the money/team putt together for June 9th Weekend. See if I can get the walls up and perhaps the loft main supports and if I'm lucky the the loft joisted in. We'll have to see.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on June 08, 2012, 04:20:54 PM
Well here it is the weekend of June 9th and I'm working and still no contrustion, hower, on the positive note I have decided a few things:
1.) I have decided to upgrade to 2x6 walls from 2x4
2.) Have decided on window locations and sies for openings
3.) Have socked a little money aside to proceed.

I have the next few weekends off from work due to various reasons so now I have no unanswered questions regarding my wall layouts I should be able to put together a few guys to put together the walls and stand them up before the end of June. Wow if I can pull that off I would be well on my way to weathertight by my Birthday Sept 9. I'd be happy for first snow fall.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on June 09, 2012, 02:25:25 PM
So fo rthe interior I was thinking of drywalling the 10ft interior walls then the angles to the peak I would use T&G, then on the underside of the loft ceilings on the main floor I would use the same T&G boadring. The ceiling under the loft bridge I would drywal. Paint the walls white and put a semi dark stain on the T&G perhaps a red oak or red chestnut color for contrast.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on June 23, 2012, 03:13:26 PM
Wow I can't believe a month has gone by. Well here we go again late this afternoon I had the materials delivered for the walls and the upstairs rafters and enough 5/8" OSB sheets to shirt te upper edge of the walls. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think it would be easier working down then working up, escpecially in the evenings with only myself around.

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We are going to do the frame up tomorrow and hopefully get to start towards the loft floor joists. Chance of showers here tommorrow so we'll have to play it by ear. I'll have more pictures tomorrow. I am just excited to be back out and moving forward again. I did happen to hear back about the rafters. The 11 Parrallel Chord style as drawn plus 2 gables (thinking a 11/12 pitch) delivered and set on the roof for only $975.

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Going back through the thread I am trying to get it weather tight for $7000, main budget of $12-$13k max. So far about $3300 for the main floor(footings, excavation, concrete, 2x8 and plywood sheeting), $1050 for today's delivery (130 2x6x10', 25 2x6x8'loft joists, 10 5/8 sheets of OSB plywood, 6 2x8x16' loft supports, 4 2x8x10' loft supports, 50 2x6 joist hangers, case of 2 1/2" passlode nails, 4 4x8" joist hangers, delivery) according to my calculations leaves $4350 for (rafters $975, sheeting $500, metal roof $1000, Windows $1200, $675 for misc) Shoot wood stove not in there yet hmmm. Have to make it up the difference out of next year's budget... lol

I think if I can keep it under $13k I would be super excited, my wife as well but then again I am a realist. We'll have to see..
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 23, 2012, 03:36:36 PM
One advantage of hanging it from the bottom up is that you have a ledge created by the first sheet to hold the upper sheet in place without it slidding down.  But if you wanted to reverse the process just drive a couple 16d in where the bottom of the upper sheet would be and use them as a rest/stop for the sheet. 
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on June 23, 2012, 03:47:35 PM
Greatt idea I was thinking of putting togeter a jig/brace to accomplish that but your idea is clean/simple, thanks!
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: CjAl on June 23, 2012, 04:47:36 PM
i wanted to use those bigfoot forms. i like the idea of them but they have almost no distribution in the US.  There is not one dealer in tx or la. i was going to have to buy them directly from the manufacturer in canada and it came out to a bit more money then i wanted to spend for plastic forms
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: NavyDave on June 24, 2012, 06:17:22 AM
Looking forward to seeing more progress on your build! As far as the sheathing goes, have you considered sheathing before the walls are raised? If you have enough muscle to raise them that way it might be easier. Would be hard working by yourself though unless you have a wall jack or come up with some type of system to raise them. Just an idea for you to ponder.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on June 25, 2012, 06:14:28 PM
cjAL I  would have to say in my case they were worth the investment as they are the only tube I came across you could backfill then pour concrete later. I did it this way as I am paying for this as I go along. It also allowed me to dig/set/backfill while the escavator was on site instead of having him come back for a second trip.  Little background in the last month my brother was home as some of you may have seen him in my pictures about the time of my jigging(however poor it may have been....lol), we laid my grandmother to rest, I only get every second weekend off, and oh yeah as of last Thursday I joined the male higher voices club(hopefully most men got the reference..) As a result I was told post procedure i wasn't allowed to do any excercise for a week and more importantly no heavy lifting.

Thursday afternoon about 3:45pm was my procedure so I lined up some guys for this past weekend to get some work done if not it would be another 3 weeks before we got out. On Saturday I had the material delivered to start the framing of my outside walls. I know I said I was going to do 2X4 as per local code but I decided being here in Nova Scotia, Canada for the extra $1/stick the R factor was a little more important.

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As you can see we were in for a grey day with strong chance of rain. Remember I said I had a 5 man crew lined up including me for this excercise on Sunday. After all the dust settled and the material was dropped off it was left to me and a good buddy of mine to proceed. Against my better judgement and based on not wanting to lose 3 weeks to the build we trudged on. I know I was thinking we could get the sheeting on starting at the top, but as with all good plans the fell apart...lol  I want to stop here and say we called an audible and changed the design on the fly against the plans. The original plans called for a big window then a small then the door then a solid end to the wall. I thought that looked too dull so we redesigned the front as you'll see with 2 windows the door and then a small window. I think it balances it out more esthetically.

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The spacing we determined is such 1.5' from the outside wall then a 3' window followed by 3' between the windows followed by 1.5' between the window and the door, a 36" door followed by 1.5' space then the window and a peice left over at the wall. the 1.5" spacing is important as the window are 3' and my intention is to build 1.5' shutters so when i am not at my camp I can close in my windows to deter the common thugs.

Anybody who has done this in the past knows that a good rule of thumb is 1guy/8' wall for lifting based on 8' ceilings and depending on how many windows and doors. Well here we are now with 2 guys a 24' long wall made of 2X6 with three windows and a door. We blocked it off the floor so we could get our grips and with a lot of strain and every ounce we could muster we got the wall raised and braced out.

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So feeling pretty proud we decided that we weren't defeated so we proceed to frame out the second 24' wall. This time the was only two windows however we did from a door into the wall with king/jacks/ and sills so in the future if I want a door on the back of the cabin it is a simple fix to install properly. We started at 7:30am and we slugged it out until 6pm to get everything done. here is the one of the final shots taken with both long walls raised and braced off...

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I am building a 1 1/2 storey modified somewhat off of Lemay's design so we based all the tops of the windows and the doors to be the same height so when the tripple 2X8 Beams go across as per my plans the upstairs loft floor will be at the level of the sill on top of the header thus providing a 2' knee wall upstair before the trusses get added. Thanks to Quinn who is a contractor by trade who helped me tremendously this past weekend. He figures that with a crew next time out we should be able to get the 16' walls up and the floor for the loft decked in and sheeted. I'll use my 5/8 OSB sheets I got this time for the flooring upstairs in the loft. Here's hoping.

Please I welcome any feedback as it is a learning curve for me I know I have read a lot of the threads and tried to take as many thoughts with me as I went however like I said I am a desk money not a contractor....
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on July 14, 2012, 03:21:45 PM
Man I can't believe how busy sometimes life can get you, seems like finding time for the build can be like pulling teeth sometimes. Survived Canada Day July 1st long weekend since last time. In anticipation of this weekend last weekend I went out with my dad as our schedules haven't aligned recently to spend some quality time. We precut all the studs to legnth last weekend also the jack studs to legnth, the headers and the sills.

I was fully prepared today for a solid day of work I even stoped by Canadian Tire and bought a 1500lb electric winch so I could make a wall jack to assit in my lift. I started out today with my marking out my top and bottom plates then thanks to the pre-cuts pieces from last weekend it went fairly smoothly. laid it all out on the floor like a giant jigsaw puzzle. I had it all nailed together...
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Now for you in the south this next line is going to sound dumb, but today it was 33 degrees C here which is about 95F or something like that. We here in Nova scotia simply aren't used to too many of those in a summer. This year much like the south we a super dry here seems like everday has a strong chance of thunder showers. I had just finnaly found some shade and sat down while basking in my vistory in putting the walls together and trying to figure out the best solution for this DYI Wall jack. While sitting there reading a thread which escapes me right now here on the forum and having a bit to eat for lunch my phone rang. It was a buddy of mine looking for something to so, so with a little coaxing I gave him the directions to get out to the site and before I could finish lunch here he came to save the day.

With the walls on the floor and not having to build for now the wall jacks we quitely set out to stand the walls I had built. I think when we braced the 24' walls we should have taken them a little out of plum a little more as the walls were a little tight going up at the top.

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you'll notice the blocks on the top plate, we put those temporarily where the top plate was peiced over a stud for extra support while standing so the wall didn't come apart. By 3pm for me it had been a long day, we decided we would make everything tight, level and square, plum and we ended our day about 4:30pm once cleaned up and truck loaded after finishing the walls and putting on the double top plate.

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Tomorrow's hit list is to get the tripple 2x8 loft beams across and true the 24' walls down the middle then start building the loft floor off of the beams and if time finish with flooring with the OSB I have out there. That would be a huge victory in my opion anyways. I doubt I'll get much sleep tonight, with the walls up I can start to get a true sense of the floor space tomroow if I can pull of the bucket list it will pump me up that much more. Sorry for the ramble but I thought I would put it all in here before bed...
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: mountainlady1956 on July 30, 2012, 05:31:51 PM
It's looking so good-it will be worth all your hard work! :)
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on July 31, 2012, 06:47:50 AM
Thanks MountainLady... I can't believe how much longer it has taken me then what I originally planed. However I sat down last night and revisited the schedule and I think I can still pull it off to get it weather tight by snowfall. It is such a different experience and learning curve than anything I have done previously. I have in the past and currently watched people's thread and wondered why it took so long. Well I can honestly say if this is such a learning curve for me then it is for others as well, things get way slowed down when only one person is on the project.

I see your new to the forum, you builing as well?
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on August 20, 2012, 04:52:07 PM
Here we are back from vacation back to work both at work and at the mountain. My dad and I went out on the weekend and as usual he gave me a hand where he could but more importantly he brought to the table a little more knowledge and experience and guided me as opposed to helping me. We started out saturay morning with just the triple 2x8x16' hung for the loft. Left staring at it before vacation and spending some time thinkingabout it on vacation we came up with the plan. I have to interject that having friends with the right tools at the right time comes in handy. A buddy of mine had a 12' Plate level and let me tell you if you haven't used one those are awesome. Being able to level over a 12' span makes it easy not only to level out the lofts but both lofts together and the bridge all at once.

Much as Al's build the bridge connects 2 lofts. We finished the loft I had hung the triple beam for first.
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It took a little time to get a rythem going. Got it installed on Saturday after work and placed a couple sheet of plywood up so I could get a spacial perspective of the project as well as the view from upstairs.
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I haven't been able to get a good picture yet but in the background of the last picture on the horizon you'll find about 34 windmills, with starting in 2012 antoher 24 being erected as phase 2 of the project. Once we had the first loft up it allowed us with the plate level (Thanks Quinn) first thing Sunday morning to get the beam in place for the second loft. As we had just finished the day before loft one, loft two went soo much easier/quicker. Once both lofts were leveled off of each other the bridge was the easiest part of the project to date. I am going to order the trusses this week so theyy willl be ready in a few weeks, giving me an opportunity to get the floor sheeted and the walls sheeted and tyvek'd.

I forget who said it on one of their posts but I can appreciate at it more now.... "It gets really exciting once the vision starts to come together." At the end of Sunday night here is a few photos of how the lofts are done. I have other photos available in the photobucket site showing all the brackets installed, the triple beam in detail and how it is carried to pointload over the piers. Not to start the great peir debate over cause god knows that's not healthy. There is pictures in the photobucket site linked below as to how I done mine.

I forget who it was and I don't believe I ever did hear back but someone was going to look into and talk to the company of the one piece bigfoot tubes I used in my build. I think there was some mention in this thread a little while back. I would be interested to hear what they said not relive the pier debate :P. Hope you enjoy the photos as I have had creating them. I am always looking for feedback and or questions. Remember if there is a serious concern I would rather here about itnow as to once it is finished.....

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Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: NavyDave on August 21, 2012, 03:55:47 AM
I like the design of the bridge.....I think it will add flair while still keeping an open feel to the place. Must be starting to get a chill in the air up there? East TN is about 15 degrees cooler than average right now and it feels great but is also a reminder that the cold stuff will be here before we know it. Good work so far, keep it up!
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on August 21, 2012, 07:16:13 AM
Thanks I appreciate it.

Chill, unfortunately it has been in the low to mid 80's here temperature wise for the last month with spikes into the low 90's. For here in Nova Scotia that's down right tropical (not that I'm complaining... :P) Hopefully if we can keep this weather up it might be a late winter which wouldn't hurt my feelings in trying to get what I need done to get to weather tight. There is still a bucket load of work to do, but I'll get it done.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Mike 870 on August 21, 2012, 11:18:45 AM
What are your loft supports on either side of the bridge,  2-2x12's?  I'm not sure if you'd go by the beam span table or what but I think you are over the tolerance there.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on August 21, 2012, 03:34:41 PM
Edges to the loft are 2-2x8 on each side of the 4' wide bridge and floor joists 16" O.C between the bridge span is approx 7'4" all connected by simpson floor joist brackets including the 2-2x8's where they connect to the loft ends. Under the one of the edges of the loft about 7' will be a load bearing wall. The other loft will be supported by threaded rod in the wall from below to the attic to negate the need for a post downstairs. I ran the design by a buddy of mine who builds house for a living, he didn't see any flaws with the plan from a code compliance perspective. also the plans were drawn by a professional who has been in the plans/blue prints business for 10+ years for a local large mechanical contracting company.

I would like to point out that about 36" under one end of the bridge on one side is supported by a closet end wall down stairs. I get it if we were talking point loads and occupied living space but the is a pedway bridge at best. i have to tell you I weigh in at 270+lbs and my dad at 180 and there was no give and all we did was lay a sheet of osb down, didn't even nail it down. Under neath is getting finished with 3/4" t&g and on top with double sheets of OSB. Should be pretty rock solid IMO!
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on August 21, 2012, 04:04:13 PM
Mike, not to sound to ignorant I want to say thanks for your insight. This project has been being planned for close to a year now so sometimes my old math I forget. So I just went through some Canadian codes here in a few books and the first one I came to was in reference to building decks. It reads the following I hope this comes out right format.. "

      4'   5'   6'   7'   8'   9'   10'   11'   12'   13'   14'
8'   SYP   1-2x6   1-2x6   2-2x6   2-2x6   2-2x8   2-2x8   2-2x8   2-2x10   2-2x10   2-2x12   2-2x12
   P P   1-2x6   2-2x6   2-2x8   2-2x8   2-2x8   2-2x10   2-2x10   2-2x10   3-2x10   3-2x10   3-2x12

16'   SYP   2-2x6   2-2x6   2-2x8   2-2x8   2-2x10   2-2x12   2-2x12   3-2x10   3-2x12   3-2x12   Eng Bm
   P P   2-2x6   2-2x8   2-2x10   2-2x10   3-2x10   3-2x10   3-2x12   3-2x12   Eng Bm   Eng Bm   Eng Bm

Note: the calculations are done with pine not spruce like we have but you can see the math says 8' long joists support beams can be 8' apart with 2 2x8 which would support the bridge. Below 3- 2x8'16 supports will with a beam on approx 7.5-8' which would cover the edges and the loft support beams. i can go through the other stuff but building a deck should have comprible coding. I get a chance Ii'll go through the other reference material.

Thanks for the questioning. It is kind of like asking the kids if they did their homework the intial reaction is yes then there comes the hesitation, then they check the book bag to make sure it was done. I knew I had done the math at one point, always good to revisit it... :)
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Mike 870 on August 23, 2012, 04:37:59 PM
Gotcha,  I didn't know there would be walls breaking up that span. 
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: mountainlady1956 on August 24, 2012, 04:55:41 PM
You are making some good progress. I'm trying not to be too envious :)
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on August 24, 2012, 05:16:54 PM
thanks going ou totmorrow to get the sheeting on this weekend.  Someone had said to me today that a good exterior grade paint would be enough to seal the osb for the winter, or should I still tyvek it?
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on August 25, 2012, 03:55:20 PM
Wll we ventured out again today after a long week at work I decided to sleep in so I didn't get loaded up at the hardware store until 9:00am. Oh well the sleep in was worth it. I picked up 25 sheets of 7/16 OSB for the walls. It is funny how this site sticks out with you. When we got out there this morning and got are level  line drawn around the cabin it dwned on me the previous discussions about sheeting vertically or horizontally. I rationalized it out because our decision was split but then I remembered a thread from a while ago. Right wrong or indifferent but I think my memory was correct we sheeted horizontally across the wall rather then hanging vertical sheets.
 ??? I hope I got that right  ???

We went around the Cabin once based on our level line we snapped figured it was easier then all we would have to do is drag the scaffolding around one way around the cabin.

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After the second row was up and on we took a little break. To the right of the last photo in the trees there is a little mossy clearing, so we laid in there looking up into the sky for about 30 minutes while we rested. I have to tell you it was enough to bring tears to a grown man's eyes. My dad and I laying there looking up at the sky watching the clouds form. The saddest part of that moment is I can't remember the last time I slowed down long enough to watch the clouds! I work depending on the week 50-70/hours it was a solicie reminder of why I am building this cabin.

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Once we had enough bonding time to speak of we went eagerly back to work. We moved onto the second floor. Again funny how things stick with you from here i remembered a conversation about sheeting the second floor and the bridge and  we had determined after legnthy review that it was best on an 8' bridge to start in the middle and span 4' onto the bridge and 4' in the lof to make a stronger support on the connection. Anyways we glued and nailed down the 3/4" OSB flooring down. We got about 75% down anyways then we ran out of PL Premium. Before we cleaning up for the night I took the following shots to give an understanding of how it worked.

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 As always I always take one picture from the truck before we leave for the night. I have to say this is the best photo I have ever taken based on the lighting and everything.

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When I got home my son had lost his second tooth this week... kind of exciting around the house tonight in anticipation of the tooth fairy.

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Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: NavyDave on August 26, 2012, 05:36:11 AM
Good stuff Colchester! I think a lot of us are just as guilty when it comes to letting those clouds pass by...looks like you are building a great place to enjoy watching them with your family though! Beautiful site!
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: OlJarhead on August 26, 2012, 05:45:52 AM
Great pics and posts!  I too always try to take a picture from the truck when leaving!  Something about the cabin pulling on my heart strings ;)

Glad you can do this with your dad!  Mine's too far away to join me at ours and in his '70's and not in great shape but some day soon I hope to get him there.

Meanwhile, I build our cabin with my son's whenever I can get them there now!  (they were there the first two years).

Keep it up
Erik
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Sassy on August 26, 2012, 03:55:36 PM
You are right, the parting shot of your cabin is great - the colors/contrasts, the way the clouds & grass looks - all captured so beautifully! 

I remember how my dad loved to see the progress on our underground cabin...  he'd just smile real big & start dreaming.  He wasn't able to get up here much due to health & has been gone for over 4 years now.  Enjoy the time you have with your dad - it's wonderful that you are able to work on the cabin together  :)

Cute kid there!
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: mountainlady1956 on August 26, 2012, 06:35:29 PM
It's amazing how each step adds to the progress. The parting shot of your cabin is awesome. What a great idea! Makes it worth all the hard work  ;D
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Huge29 on August 26, 2012, 08:21:43 PM
I enjoy the updates, good work! 
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on August 27, 2012, 01:29:09 AM
It is nice to spend some quality time with my dad. I mean he has been a help mostly in the sense of guidance, he really can't lift or do much, but the conversation  and the laughter makes it worth while and the time pass. Its funny I was talking with my wife last night over supper and was commenting how nice it was to spend the time now. Growing up being a typical blue collar family and shift work I never had a strong bond with my dad early but am able to build that time and relationship with him now.

Sorry to hear about your loss 4 years ago Sassy. I'm sure he is looking down at your build project and smiling. I know I like to think my Nan is who passed away in May.

I am hoping to find an opportunity to slide out of work this afternoon and up to the truss mill to put the finishing touches on the design and figure out a timeline for delivery.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on September 04, 2012, 03:58:17 PM
So today started at 6:55am me jumping out of the shower to answer my cell phone. Guy on the other end of the phone says I got good news and bad. Of course you always start with the good. He goes on to say that the good news is my trusses are ready. I replied with that's aweome news considering I was told Friday at the earliest. After a long akward pause I said if that is the good news what's the bad? Now visualize this one foot in one foot out of the shower, I almost slipped and killed myself when he continued to tell me the bad. He say the bad news is that the trusses are on a truck heading my way. I told him they better not be on the way to me considering I live 30 minutes away. I told him he had several problems with this scenario:

1.) I have a full time job and is not a contractor
2.) my Business had been closed for 3 days due to a long weekend
3.) The above means that today Tuesday is like a Monday morning Sales meeting (did I forget to mention month end)
4.) I had to get the kids off to the sitter for the day
5.) Property is locked via gate
6.) the trusses were on a tractor trailer not the tandum we discussed as a tractor would never find it's way up the mountain unless it is a log truck driver... :)
7.) COD and the money is in my bank
8.) More importantly today's not going to work...

I wished him luck trying to reach his driver to turn him around. I hate it when people under promise and over deliver to try to make themself look good. In a mad panic to see what my options were I called a contractor buddy of mine he said I did the right thing to refuse delivery. he says the truss mill always gives them a couple of days notice for scheduling. Can we say HOLY S@#$%^T!!!!!

I followed up around noon to ensure my trusses made it back to the mill spoke with the guy who called me who didn't appoligze or nothing I asked if we were still on for Friday morning first thing and now he says we'll see what we can do. I mean if those trusses aren't there after all this I'll be fuming.

Thanks for letting me get through it all.... :) Night all hope tomorrow works out better than today!
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: mountainlady1956 on September 05, 2012, 06:15:01 PM
This is like a continuing saga story! Can't wait to hear the good conclusion  :) Cathy
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on September 13, 2012, 05:19:19 PM
I hate computer crashes mid posting as I had everything laid out I'll revist the post in the next few days and post shots of the trusses that were put up on last weekend. Sorry guys!
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on September 17, 2012, 04:54:07 PM
Saga Con't....

So by Thursday dinner time I still hadn't hear anything on the deliver of the trusses. I decided at this point I felt as I wasn't a builder or a contractor I was getting a little run around so I decided to call the owner of the truss mill and explain my situation from the start to end. He agreed, appologized and informed me it was a case of growing pains not neglect. He assured me that at 8:30am sharp Friday they would be there. So I book the day off work. I arrive at the property on September 7th to find that the tremendous amounts of rain have accumilated on the main floor. Its good news that I build it air tight, so tight water can't escape. I cut out the bottom plates in the doorway. There was about three inches of water inside.

Now as an interlude for those of you haven't hear we took Huricane Leslie about 100 miles off the East of Nova Scotia, that combined with a low pressure system moving west from Ontario and Quebec created a situation of about 185 mm(8") of rain in about 30 hour times frame. So much rain that we had the worst flooding in about 50 years. Our levys overflowed. Our area had streets flood that never ever have flooded before. But I digress...

The truss guy showed up at 8:30am by the time the truck was situated and I had a smoke with the driver and got the trusses on the roof it was about 9:15am.

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So I went to pay the bill and the owner not only delivered on his promises to make the situation right he took 15% off of the bill. I was pumped so much so I tipped the driver some of the money I saved. It was a win win for eveyone. We set to work. We took 2 2x6x10 and nailed them to the outside wall vertical to give something to support the gable rafters to. We took a bunch of 1x4 strapping and pre cut it to legnth and once we had the inital truss set we used the pre-measured pieces as the temaorary braces. we toe nailed to the top plate then used the pieces and went edge to edge giving use supported vertical trusses.

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We systematically worked our way across the roof until all the trusses were set. We then came back and took 2 12' pieces of 1x4 strapping and mesured out the edges of the trusses, we inserted the 1x4 strapping we measured through the truss web and stared on the end and reset and permently secured the trusses we followed the same procedure twice more on the back side of the roof. In order to set the roof we had to beat off a couple of the temp braces. We secured on the inside of the webbing so they would never have to be removed.

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After the trusses we toe nailed and secured I cam back through and toenailed with 4" spiral nails and secured everything yet again. After that I came back behind and used huricane ties and tripple secured the roof down. Can never be too careful.

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At the end of the day we were done by 2:00pm. We decided to call it a day. the next day I came back out with the kids and showed them what I was up to. we gathered all the stray nails and pieces of wood and stacked them all neatly. Raked the front so no nails became friends with my tires. lol!
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on September 17, 2012, 05:06:49 PM
This past weekend I went back out after work on Saturday. I didn't get to the property until after 4pm so I set to work and laid out the studing on the top plate and window Jack and king stud locations. I made a several cuts and figure out how the day was going to unfold. Sunday I had the kids until about 12:00pm until the wife got off work. I proceeded to kent Building supplies and gathers a dozen more 2x6x8' and 2 2x10x8' for my headers and set off for the mountain. With a solid plan in place I proceed to frame in my gable ends to provide more support for when I'm crawling around laying down the plywood. In my eagerness to get it all down I laid out all my cuts I cut all the angles to match the peak then came back set the circular saw straight and proceeded to make the cuts. I initialled screwed up I cut a top plat and my headers 3" too short. I cut them to 38" instead of 41". Needless to say I measured from the inside to inside of the Jack studs not the Kings. Rookie Mistake :) It's all good as I'll use them for the header for the batheroom door downstairs later. I got both Gabel ends in except one hease as I mis-cut it. Oh well say le vie! At the end of yesterday here is the gable ends uptairs all framed in.

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You can see in the last photo what I was taking about with the 2x6 set up the roof to secure the end gable truss to as in the last post. I took the following shot out of one of the tope floor windows as it captures the sunset over the trees view out this window.

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Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on September 17, 2012, 05:08:14 PM
I have a few questions now about purlins and eaves overhangins, but i'll start a seperate thread for the under general forum..
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on September 17, 2012, 05:32:14 PM
Probably ettiquite would dictate not to duplicate posts so I'll ask the second set of questions here. The questions surrounding the Gable ends and purlins I created a seperate thread I am looking for feedback on those as it is the next step of the project. this question pertains to snipping off the eaves end...

1.) Is there a common practise or is it preference on sloped facia board or right angle (90degree) to the ground?

2.) Is it a matter of making a determination on the above question then measuring my distance I am looking for my overhang(soffet I belive - contracting terms I'm just learning), go 90 degrees to that plane and that is your rafter end cuts. As I am doing a boxed soffit attach a 2x4 to the wall then builing a support between that and the facia board to box it in?

Is that sounding about right, hope anyone reading this can get through my part-contractor jargon/ramblings and help out a fella!

Thanks in advance as I would like to button this up before I head upwards and onward to sheeting the roof.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: PEG688 on September 17, 2012, 07:46:10 PM

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 To late now , but you don't need that header in the gable window with a vaulted truss like that , or really any truss or even rafters , the truss or rafters take the load in all cases EXCEPT where you have  a ridge beam that needs supported from below.  But with a truss or ridge board with collar ties gable end window do not need structural headers .

 So this is more for someone else looking at you photo and thinking " That's the way to do this!"  It's waste of wood and dollars for said wood to put a header like that in .

 NOW IF the ridge was a beam and you needed to hold it up , you'd need the header you have with the trimmers you have  in place . AND in ADDITION to that you need double studs or 4 by posts in the wall below taking a direct path to bearing to the rim beams or foundation.

 The indirect path would be from the under side of the beam , post to header top , then passing the load via the header to the trimmers and king stud left and right of the window. Follow that direct path to bearing all the way down .     
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on September 18, 2012, 01:04:47 AM
Well said Peg imagine if I knew then what I know now....lol You know what they say about hind sight. I was just going with the basics I have been learning as I go plus duplication of course. If you notice in the pictures all the studs line up on top of each other to transfer the weight load straight to foundation supports. oh well my cost on a 2x10x8' is only $6. Guess as this project goes on I have adopted a better to go big philosophy! I appreciate the info. :)
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: PEG688 on September 18, 2012, 04:02:20 AM


If you notice in the pictures all the studs line up on top of each other to transfer the weight load straight to foundation supports.



 The trimmer and king on the right side don't, so you don't have  a proper point load transfer.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ktmcrashking on September 18, 2012, 05:02:35 AM
Excellent thread. Thanks for posting. I have been lurking in this forum for awhile and also brainstorming over a hand drawn floor plan of this design. All the while trying to maximize the space of its small footprint (tryin to fit in that shower!). You did an excellent job with the floor plan. I wanted to ask if you ever thought about extending the front bedroom over a front porch to increase depth? Wondering if there were any cons to this idea. Thanks for your input. K
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on September 18, 2012, 05:33:19 AM
Thanks CrashKing I appreciate the encouragement. In my circumstance I hadn't given it thought as the layout works well for my family. My design once finished and with the bunk configs will sleep eight on the second floor leaving the main for lving space. I have been giving some serious consideration to adding a screened in front porch 10' which spans the legnth of the Cabin 24'. This idea is a long ways away as this years project is to just get weather tight. Doing it paycheck to paycheck like others on here has taken me this long so I'll deal with that idea next spring.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ktmcrashking on September 18, 2012, 05:46:40 AM
Do you happen to know what the ceiling height ended up at under the bedrooms?
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on September 18, 2012, 06:12:35 AM
Once finished the ceiling height works out to 6'11" on the main floor and on the second floor works out to finished height of 6'8" for about 6' of the 16' width. So overall considering I stand at 5'6" not a bad deal all things considered.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: NavyDave on September 18, 2012, 06:39:58 AM
Colchester,
I must say that I like the design of those trusses. They allow the look of a vaulted ceiling without a ridge beam and A LOT of head room. I'm almost at a point where i'll be putting a roof on my Victoria as well and my current plan is to use 2x8 rafters with 2x6 collar ties and a 12-12 pitch. The trusses you used are interesting though. I have a few questions:

1. how deep of a cavity will be from the roofing (probably OSB) to the finished ceiling? They look like they are the approximate size of 2x12's.

2. Are they rated at a specific PSF? I'm sure you have huge snow loads up there.

3. What is the pitch of the roof?

4. How are you venting it?

5. Are they at 24" OC?     
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on September 30, 2012, 02:23:55 AM
Dave I haven't been trying to ignore you. I have been trying to find the truss plans so I can answer your questions intelligently. Last couple of trips out have been busy then on the way home I thought of your questions.....
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on September 30, 2012, 03:08:56 AM
As anyone here in the Maritimes knows we have seen tremendous amounts of rain in the last 30 days or so, Two series of floods, and a bunch more rain to boot. Yesterday was no exception, but as time goes on I can afford to lose the time. Bad enough I work so much! So last weekend I went out and finished the opposite gable end and trimmed the front eaves. For someone who is learning as I go to like ladders and heights... lol I figured out how to mark off the eaves ends and work a circular saw from a ladder 10' above the grounds. I'm sure if anyone was watching it was cute to say the least.

Friday I picked up the staging and rain it out to the property after I got off work, did a quick unload of the trailer and beat it back to town to the lumber store to pick up the 15/32"  OSB for the roofing plus the H clips and some spiral nails to compliment my paslode nails. We decided to run it back out to the property and drop the trailer for the night. with 28 sheets of OSB on the trailer the tounge weight was needless to say too much to pick off the hitch so I had to use a bottle jack I had to lift the weight. I did the double run Friday night as I had to work until 1pm on yesterday.

Go figure the rain rolled in about 11am and by the time I got off work and got out the property it was only about 62 degrees and puring like a bugger. So not to lose time a buddy of mine met me out the and we set to work. Got the staging setup and away we went. If I haven't mentioned between this site and google both have been a tremendous resources. The way we started the plywood as the front facia board is not on is we measured up 45" from one corner and snapped a level chaulk line acorss and started the first course based off that line. No whoever tells you the Black chaulk works in all conditions as I found out yesterday is full of it. By the time we got the first row tacked on we were fighting to find the line.

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Once it was up it went pretty seamless except fo r the fact of me lifting up the sheets to my buddy on the staging then having to climb up it wore me out faster then i would have thought. Since the trusses are 24" OC the first row hung half on the roof half over leaving a 24" overhang of which I'll trim later down to 24" and across we went. The row ended with a 4" peice which we used as the starter piece for the second row, and up we went. I have heard of roof jacks before but I have to tell you they work some slick.

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Because of work I have some commitments for the local Major Junior A hockey team, so between that plus the rain and being so sore from going up and down we decided to pull the plug around 5pm. Before we left after finishing the first side with the exception of the top 14" we tore down the staing and moved it around back and set it up to make it easier on us today. Here is some shots looking up the roof from the side and some shots inside looking over the bridge towards were the peak will be.

Dave to answer some of your questions the others I'll PM you with.. Pitch 11/12, venting once there every second truss gap opposite sides from eaves to attic with vent baffels(I think they are called) to the top attic space, trusses are 24" OC, as for the truss depth and the load strength I'll pass that along as well once I find the drawings. Well it is still raining and on my way back to out to finish the second side of the roof and hopefully one of the Gable ends closed in as well.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on September 30, 2012, 03:10:09 AM
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Sorry I forgot the pictures... lol :)
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: NavyDave on October 05, 2012, 03:05:36 PM
Colchester, you are doing a good job on your build. Thanks for answering my questions. Very neat looking trusses. Can't wait till mine are up and I'm closer to being dry. All I can hear right now is the clock ticking!
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on October 06, 2012, 02:33:29 AM
Dave I can appreciate that. I have decided that for this year I am going to forgo the metal roof and a couple minutes I am heading out to button up the roof, sheet the gable ends and eaves. Make it weather tight then wrap it next weekend with synthetic house wrap, strap it an call is a year until spring. Here the time is about to change and the nights are dark shortly after 6:30pm no time after work. There has been frost already so I think I'll button it up this way so I can enjoy the remainder or the fair weather  for four wheeling and maybe this year dable in a little hunting again.

There is always more time in the spring. Plus this way it'll give a chance to bank more funds as I have been building this paycheck to paycheck no loans or credit cards :)
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: NavyDave on October 18, 2012, 05:29:54 AM
Colchester, The synthetic house wrap is interesting. Is that the same type of thing that they put on boats in the north in winter time? I'd be interested in seeing how it turns out when that's done, or even the process of wrapping it.

I can appreciate banking funds, We are building with cash also and things are beginning to get a little tight here too. I'm pressing on with my roof though because I need to be able to get my wood stove in and get weather tight so i can devote my time (this is my job right now) finishing the inside.

Happy hunting! It's time for me to devote a little time filling the freezer too  :D
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: Sonny on October 19, 2012, 09:32:01 AM
Looking good!  I am building a 20x32 with lofts in both sides also.  I went with 12' walls and love the extra head room.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: duncanshannon on October 21, 2012, 05:38:15 AM
nice progress. thanks for all the pictures!
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on November 04, 2012, 11:55:53 AM
Sorry for the absence it has been a long slog the last 2 weeks. We finished up the roof with the OSB sheeeting. We have decided as I think I may have mentioned in the past to just wrap and strap the cabin until spring. I did some research and I decided to go with IKO synthetic roof wrap. I was going to try for Titanium as some here have used in the past. The problem I ran into is the availability. I could have custom ordered it but I would have to orde rmore than I needed and it was going to be at least 4 weeks probably more before it came in. I just couldn't wait considering we have been doing good to be into November with no white stuff. Actually the golf courses around here are still open. Crazy buggers... lol Sorry I digress I went with IKO Cool Grey roofing as it has about a 6-8 month window before it starts to degrade, which according to my math gets me as a minimum until may 1st or so to get the metal on the roof. I can't imagine being much past the first of April getting that done.

I decided to take my time with this part so I don't have to duplicate work in the spring. When I wrapped everything I tuck tapped the seams, and the walls are strapped 16" O.C. and fastened into the studs in the walls vertically. I consulted with a contractor buddy of mine he indicated this way I can attach the siding in the spring without having to redo.

The roof was a little different story. I would have strapped vertically if it was up to me so not to impeed any snow which may build up this winter, however, again to avoid duplication of work he sugested to strap horizontally. He also advised based on the roof ridge cap and the rake adn eaves trim to double strap the edges of the rook. He said I may build up some snow but it will be negligable at minimum as the pitch is 12/12 and the straps are 1x4's.

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You can see that strapping vertically also gave a little help as a ladder going up the roof. the vertical pieces in the picture are we we had the roof jacks tied to the roof as we climbed up the roof. I have never been a big fan of heights but as we were finishing you could find me at the peak. Coming off the roof today was a real sense of accomplishment. This leaves me the front to finish the eaves and facia board, wrap and strap and call it a season. Just a couple of interior things need to be done inside (layout walls, get measurements for kitchen cupboards[making those this winter], add some temp supports under the lofts and bridge)

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Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: NavyDave on November 26, 2012, 11:31:18 AM
Cabin looks real good wrapped up like that. You'll be glad you did the strapping right come spring.....any ideas on the finish for the outside yet?
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on November 26, 2012, 12:50:09 PM
Thanx Dave I am kind of hoping it works out... I realized as I was going through things I hadn't quite finished my thoughts on the cabin. In the last few weeks the camp was buttoned up completely. For the winter I braced up the lofts as I figure over the course of this winter the hydraulis pressure on the camp with settle everything just a bit. The last 2 peices were 4x8 sheets of OSB over the opening, finished wrapping and strapping it. Here is the final shots for this season of building anyways...

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it was kind of neat as we finished it on our Remeberance Day some of your Vetern's Day. So we went out and built a cross and spread the remainder of my grandfather with my grandmother had a make shift service just my dad and I as we worked. It truly was one of the highlights of the build so far. Here is my dad building a campfire with some of the scrap wood. We cooked on the fire hot dogs and toasted the buns wasn't elaborate but it was special.

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We were up to the cabin yesterday for a tour being hunting season and all here. Just wanted to make sure it was undistrubed. We were up in a snow storm. 3" of snow on the ground and by the time we got off the mountain and headed home you couldn't even see our tracks. Hard to believe no snow and warm on Nov 9 and 11th and yesterday snow.

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It was neat to see the snow accumilation on the roof I was wondering the effect of the horizontal strapping would have. Good thing is it looks like once the slots are full it won't build up to too much it will just blow off. God sakes it is a 12/12 pitch it should... :) As for the siding I have a local mill here who I am sourcing a dutch lap or some call it a german lap wood siding....

Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: TheWire on November 27, 2012, 05:28:26 PM
Cabin looks awesome.  You used Permafelt for some of your house wrap.  I believe that is made for roof underlayment.  The concern is that I don't think it breathes like house wrap and may result in moisture getting trapped in the wall cavity between the Permafelt and inner vapor barrier.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on November 28, 2012, 02:41:24 AM
Thanks TheWire.

We looked at that possibility and I talked to a buddy of mine here in town who works for Intertape Polymer who makes it and I guess the short term answer is yes it is a roofing underlayment, however, it is woven plastic composition allows it to breath a little not completely a non-pourous. We decided to go this way as the break down time is longer upwards of 6-7 months where as a product like tyvek is about 3-4 months. I went the longer time based on leaving it in this state from now until probably being a realist the first of April before we start again.

I also went this way based on some research where this isn't a full time dwelling and based on our seasons may get used for 15-20 weekends a year 25% of that time will require the wood stove as a heat source the sweating factor between these products won't be as common based on usage, if that makes sense. To me at the time I looked into it thats why we went.

If we were going to be able to get to the siding instantly I would have used a tyvek wrap on the sides of the house with the permafelt for the roofing. Oh yeah it didn't hurt the 2 rolls of permafelt used were free either :)
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on March 13, 2013, 11:15:51 AM
here we go today is 9 degrees C with warm winds and the majority fo the snow is gone. Up at the Cabin is a slightly different story there is still about 1.5 ft of snow. Think I am going to head up this weekend as I haven't been out in two months almost (too much snow).

And the excitement starts to grow....

Colin
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: NavyDave on March 14, 2013, 04:10:08 PM
Don't forget your snow shoes!  ;D looking forward to seeing what you've been dreaming up all winter.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: tightspot on April 11, 2013, 08:42:59 PM
That's a fine looking cabin you have.  I'm looking forward to seeing your progress this year. 
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on June 20, 2013, 02:17:45 AM
Sorry guys it has been a while. I have been doing a lot of plannig, and working on other projects since spring started and fortunately work has been rather busy. Not complaining just building reserves for this year. Some big ticket expenses ahead(steel roof, selkirk chimney, eaves flashing, windows siding,etc.). Looking like the start is near for the season.

Funny how life has its priorities last weekend we started to replace the outhouse near dad's cabin. The old one was near 20yrs plus, we dubbed it the rockin roll outhouse as everytime you stepped in she weebled and wobbled but never did fall down. The door blew off last year... lol :). My dad is big into history re-inacting 18th century so we spent the first of the year improving his spot. He dedicated a lot of time and energy with me last year so I thought I would pay it forward so to speak.  So far this year we we did some road work into the cabin, dugout for a new deck to be built a little later, and had put in a 150' 22 cal rifle range perfect for dad and his black power muskets, and 3lb brass cannon. Our goal is to host a 18th century weekend closer towards the fall so everyone can see what we've been working on.

Here is a shot a couple shots of the range construction. I didn't take any of the road work let's face it boring... lol :P

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Funny I didn't realize how dirty my phone was until I uploaded these photos, must have been a tonne of dust on my lense. and of course the almost complete outshouse...

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Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on August 28, 2013, 05:52:56 AM
Wow I just realized it has been June since I posted last. My Bad! There actually has been a lot going on at the property. Over the new couple of days I'll try and go through my picutres and update my thread.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: NavyDave on August 28, 2013, 02:48:05 PM
Man, and I thought you were sleeping this whole time! Actually you and I are in the same boat. It's been almost 2 months since I've updated my thread. I have quite a bit of progress to document though, looking forward to seeing what you've been up to.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: PHU on October 29, 2013, 12:47:37 PM
Wow I just realized it has been June since I posted last. My Bad! There actually has been a lot going on at the property. Over the new couple of days I'll try and go through my picutres and update my thread.

You weren't lying about updating pictures of your cabin, were you?  :)  Can't wait to see how the cabin looks like..... ;D
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on June 10, 2014, 05:44:44 AM
Guys my humblest yet again work has been super crazy so I will do my best to go back through and update since the last postings... It has been exciting I am now enclosed, sided, roof on plus recently statered a septic system... Can't wait to get your feedback. I have been spending sometime going through the newer feeds getting my excitment flowing and motivation building for this building season. I am trying to make a golden push for the finish line this year. Goal is to host the family Canadian thanksgiving party in the cabin in October this year.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on July 15, 2014, 06:53:16 AM
So now that I have some technical issues resolved in uploading photos from photobucket.... seems I was away so long my Internet Explorer was out of date and I couldn't firgure out how to upload photos, now thats's resolved I am going to go back through the thread and bring us to to speed.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ajohnson on July 20, 2014, 09:13:32 AM
Very nice build.  I noticed you went with trusses.  From a cost perspective (and time) were they cheaper than rafters?  Also, what was your pitch on the trusses?  One last thing...do you mind sharing your cost per truss?  I am try to nail down a plan, but have no idea how to estimate for a cost for trusses.  Most everything online is a standard 4:12 pitch, which is about $35-50 depending on length.  I know your style would definately be more.

Thanks,

Ansley

Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: ColchesterCabin on July 21, 2014, 07:18:37 AM
First of all thanks for the kudos, it truly has been a labour of love over the last few years for sure. I went with trusses based on my skill level. I dug out my invoices fo the trusses and there was 2 gables and 11 scissor trusses. The bill including delivery on site and booming them onto the roof was only $975 plus taxes so $75/each. My pitch is 12/12 on my roof. at the point of the trusses I had a whole lot less skills than I have right now :)

I had them on the roof and braced within about 2-3 hours even with the skills I had back then. So for me it was economical and efficent. If I was to do it again I would do it the exact same way.
Title: Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
Post by: hcamper60 on May 19, 2016, 09:48:48 AM
Greetings.  I see it's been a long time since you last posted.  Where did you finally decide to place the stove?? I love your design, after an exhaustive search, it's just what I've been seeking

Jonathan