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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #100 on: September 17, 2012, 07:46:10 PM »





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 To late now , but you don't need that header in the gable window with a vaulted truss like that , or really any truss or even rafters , the truss or rafters take the load in all cases EXCEPT where you have  a ridge beam that needs supported from below.  But with a truss or ridge board with collar ties gable end window do not need structural headers .

 So this is more for someone else looking at you photo and thinking " That's the way to do this!"  It's waste of wood and dollars for said wood to put a header like that in .

 NOW IF the ridge was a beam and you needed to hold it up , you'd need the header you have with the trimmers you have  in place . AND in ADDITION to that you need double studs or 4 by posts in the wall below taking a direct path to bearing to the rim beams or foundation.

 The indirect path would be from the under side of the beam , post to header top , then passing the load via the header to the trimmers and king stud left and right of the window. Follow that direct path to bearing all the way down .     
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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #101 on: September 18, 2012, 01:04:47 AM »
Well said Peg imagine if I knew then what I know now....lol You know what they say about hind sight. I was just going with the basics I have been learning as I go plus duplication of course. If you notice in the pictures all the studs line up on top of each other to transfer the weight load straight to foundation supports. oh well my cost on a 2x10x8' is only $6. Guess as this project goes on I have adopted a better to go big philosophy! I appreciate the info. :)
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« Reply #102 on: September 18, 2012, 04:02:20 AM »


If you notice in the pictures all the studs line up on top of each other to transfer the weight load straight to foundation supports.



 The trimmer and king on the right side don't, so you don't have  a proper point load transfer.
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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #103 on: September 18, 2012, 05:02:35 AM »
Excellent thread. Thanks for posting. I have been lurking in this forum for awhile and also brainstorming over a hand drawn floor plan of this design. All the while trying to maximize the space of its small footprint (tryin to fit in that shower!). You did an excellent job with the floor plan. I wanted to ask if you ever thought about extending the front bedroom over a front porch to increase depth? Wondering if there were any cons to this idea. Thanks for your input. K

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« Reply #104 on: September 18, 2012, 05:33:19 AM »
Thanks CrashKing I appreciate the encouragement. In my circumstance I hadn't given it thought as the layout works well for my family. My design once finished and with the bunk configs will sleep eight on the second floor leaving the main for lving space. I have been giving some serious consideration to adding a screened in front porch 10' which spans the legnth of the Cabin 24'. This idea is a long ways away as this years project is to just get weather tight. Doing it paycheck to paycheck like others on here has taken me this long so I'll deal with that idea next spring.
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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #105 on: September 18, 2012, 05:46:40 AM »
Do you happen to know what the ceiling height ended up at under the bedrooms?

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« Reply #106 on: September 18, 2012, 06:12:35 AM »
Once finished the ceiling height works out to 6'11" on the main floor and on the second floor works out to finished height of 6'8" for about 6' of the 16' width. So overall considering I stand at 5'6" not a bad deal all things considered.
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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #107 on: September 18, 2012, 06:39:58 AM »
Colchester,
I must say that I like the design of those trusses. They allow the look of a vaulted ceiling without a ridge beam and A LOT of head room. I'm almost at a point where i'll be putting a roof on my Victoria as well and my current plan is to use 2x8 rafters with 2x6 collar ties and a 12-12 pitch. The trusses you used are interesting though. I have a few questions:

1. how deep of a cavity will be from the roofing (probably OSB) to the finished ceiling? They look like they are the approximate size of 2x12's.

2. Are they rated at a specific PSF? I'm sure you have huge snow loads up there.

3. What is the pitch of the roof?

4. How are you venting it?

5. Are they at 24" OC?     

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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #108 on: September 30, 2012, 02:23:55 AM »
Dave I haven't been trying to ignore you. I have been trying to find the truss plans so I can answer your questions intelligently. Last couple of trips out have been busy then on the way home I thought of your questions.....
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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #109 on: September 30, 2012, 03:08:56 AM »
As anyone here in the Maritimes knows we have seen tremendous amounts of rain in the last 30 days or so, Two series of floods, and a bunch more rain to boot. Yesterday was no exception, but as time goes on I can afford to lose the time. Bad enough I work so much! So last weekend I went out and finished the opposite gable end and trimmed the front eaves. For someone who is learning as I go to like ladders and heights... lol I figured out how to mark off the eaves ends and work a circular saw from a ladder 10' above the grounds. I'm sure if anyone was watching it was cute to say the least.

Friday I picked up the staging and rain it out to the property after I got off work, did a quick unload of the trailer and beat it back to town to the lumber store to pick up the 15/32"  OSB for the roofing plus the H clips and some spiral nails to compliment my paslode nails. We decided to run it back out to the property and drop the trailer for the night. with 28 sheets of OSB on the trailer the tounge weight was needless to say too much to pick off the hitch so I had to use a bottle jack I had to lift the weight. I did the double run Friday night as I had to work until 1pm on yesterday.

Go figure the rain rolled in about 11am and by the time I got off work and got out the property it was only about 62 degrees and puring like a bugger. So not to lose time a buddy of mine met me out the and we set to work. Got the staging setup and away we went. If I haven't mentioned between this site and google both have been a tremendous resources. The way we started the plywood as the front facia board is not on is we measured up 45" from one corner and snapped a level chaulk line acorss and started the first course based off that line. No whoever tells you the Black chaulk works in all conditions as I found out yesterday is full of it. By the time we got the first row tacked on we were fighting to find the line.



Once it was up it went pretty seamless except fo r the fact of me lifting up the sheets to my buddy on the staging then having to climb up it wore me out faster then i would have thought. Since the trusses are 24" OC the first row hung half on the roof half over leaving a 24" overhang of which I'll trim later down to 24" and across we went. The row ended with a 4" peice which we used as the starter piece for the second row, and up we went. I have heard of roof jacks before but I have to tell you they work some slick.





Because of work I have some commitments for the local Major Junior A hockey team, so between that plus the rain and being so sore from going up and down we decided to pull the plug around 5pm. Before we left after finishing the first side with the exception of the top 14" we tore down the staing and moved it around back and set it up to make it easier on us today. Here is some shots looking up the roof from the side and some shots inside looking over the bridge towards were the peak will be.

Dave to answer some of your questions the others I'll PM you with.. Pitch 11/12, venting once there every second truss gap opposite sides from eaves to attic with vent baffels(I think they are called) to the top attic space, trusses are 24" OC, as for the truss depth and the load strength I'll pass that along as well once I find the drawings. Well it is still raining and on my way back to out to finish the second side of the roof and hopefully one of the Gable ends closed in as well.
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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #110 on: September 30, 2012, 03:10:09 AM »






Sorry I forgot the pictures... lol :)
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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #111 on: October 05, 2012, 03:05:36 PM »
Colchester, you are doing a good job on your build. Thanks for answering my questions. Very neat looking trusses. Can't wait till mine are up and I'm closer to being dry. All I can hear right now is the clock ticking!

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« Reply #112 on: October 06, 2012, 02:33:29 AM »
Dave I can appreciate that. I have decided that for this year I am going to forgo the metal roof and a couple minutes I am heading out to button up the roof, sheet the gable ends and eaves. Make it weather tight then wrap it next weekend with synthetic house wrap, strap it an call is a year until spring. Here the time is about to change and the nights are dark shortly after 6:30pm no time after work. There has been frost already so I think I'll button it up this way so I can enjoy the remainder or the fair weather  for four wheeling and maybe this year dable in a little hunting again.

There is always more time in the spring. Plus this way it'll give a chance to bank more funds as I have been building this paycheck to paycheck no loans or credit cards :)
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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #113 on: October 18, 2012, 05:29:54 AM »
Colchester, The synthetic house wrap is interesting. Is that the same type of thing that they put on boats in the north in winter time? I'd be interested in seeing how it turns out when that's done, or even the process of wrapping it.

I can appreciate banking funds, We are building with cash also and things are beginning to get a little tight here too. I'm pressing on with my roof though because I need to be able to get my wood stove in and get weather tight so i can devote my time (this is my job right now) finishing the inside.

Happy hunting! It's time for me to devote a little time filling the freezer too  :D

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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #114 on: October 19, 2012, 09:32:01 AM »
Looking good!  I am building a 20x32 with lofts in both sides also.  I went with 12' walls and love the extra head room.

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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #115 on: October 21, 2012, 05:38:15 AM »
nice progress. thanks for all the pictures!
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« Reply #116 on: November 04, 2012, 11:55:53 AM »
Sorry for the absence it has been a long slog the last 2 weeks. We finished up the roof with the OSB sheeeting. We have decided as I think I may have mentioned in the past to just wrap and strap the cabin until spring. I did some research and I decided to go with IKO synthetic roof wrap. I was going to try for Titanium as some here have used in the past. The problem I ran into is the availability. I could have custom ordered it but I would have to orde rmore than I needed and it was going to be at least 4 weeks probably more before it came in. I just couldn't wait considering we have been doing good to be into November with no white stuff. Actually the golf courses around here are still open. Crazy buggers... lol Sorry I digress I went with IKO Cool Grey roofing as it has about a 6-8 month window before it starts to degrade, which according to my math gets me as a minimum until may 1st or so to get the metal on the roof. I can't imagine being much past the first of April getting that done.

I decided to take my time with this part so I don't have to duplicate work in the spring. When I wrapped everything I tuck tapped the seams, and the walls are strapped 16" O.C. and fastened into the studs in the walls vertically. I consulted with a contractor buddy of mine he indicated this way I can attach the siding in the spring without having to redo.

The roof was a little different story. I would have strapped vertically if it was up to me so not to impeed any snow which may build up this winter, however, again to avoid duplication of work he sugested to strap horizontally. He also advised based on the roof ridge cap and the rake adn eaves trim to double strap the edges of the rook. He said I may build up some snow but it will be negligable at minimum as the pitch is 12/12 and the straps are 1x4's.









You can see that strapping vertically also gave a little help as a ladder going up the roof. the vertical pieces in the picture are we we had the roof jacks tied to the roof as we climbed up the roof. I have never been a big fan of heights but as we were finishing you could find me at the peak. Coming off the roof today was a real sense of accomplishment. This leaves me the front to finish the eaves and facia board, wrap and strap and call it a season. Just a couple of interior things need to be done inside (layout walls, get measurements for kitchen cupboards[making those this winter], add some temp supports under the lofts and bridge)



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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #117 on: November 26, 2012, 11:31:18 AM »
Cabin looks real good wrapped up like that. You'll be glad you did the strapping right come spring.....any ideas on the finish for the outside yet?

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« Reply #118 on: November 26, 2012, 12:50:09 PM »
Thanx Dave I am kind of hoping it works out... I realized as I was going through things I hadn't quite finished my thoughts on the cabin. In the last few weeks the camp was buttoned up completely. For the winter I braced up the lofts as I figure over the course of this winter the hydraulis pressure on the camp with settle everything just a bit. The last 2 peices were 4x8 sheets of OSB over the opening, finished wrapping and strapping it. Here is the final shots for this season of building anyways...





it was kind of neat as we finished it on our Remeberance Day some of your Vetern's Day. So we went out and built a cross and spread the remainder of my grandfather with my grandmother had a make shift service just my dad and I as we worked. It truly was one of the highlights of the build so far. Here is my dad building a campfire with some of the scrap wood. We cooked on the fire hot dogs and toasted the buns wasn't elaborate but it was special.



We were up to the cabin yesterday for a tour being hunting season and all here. Just wanted to make sure it was undistrubed. We were up in a snow storm. 3" of snow on the ground and by the time we got off the mountain and headed home you couldn't even see our tracks. Hard to believe no snow and warm on Nov 9 and 11th and yesterday snow.







It was neat to see the snow accumilation on the roof I was wondering the effect of the horizontal strapping would have. Good thing is it looks like once the slots are full it won't build up to too much it will just blow off. God sakes it is a 12/12 pitch it should... :) As for the siding I have a local mill here who I am sourcing a dutch lap or some call it a german lap wood siding....

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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #119 on: November 27, 2012, 05:28:26 PM »
Cabin looks awesome.  You used Permafelt for some of your house wrap.  I believe that is made for roof underlayment.  The concern is that I don't think it breathes like house wrap and may result in moisture getting trapped in the wall cavity between the Permafelt and inner vapor barrier.

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« Reply #120 on: November 28, 2012, 02:41:24 AM »
Thanks TheWire.

We looked at that possibility and I talked to a buddy of mine here in town who works for Intertape Polymer who makes it and I guess the short term answer is yes it is a roofing underlayment, however, it is woven plastic composition allows it to breath a little not completely a non-pourous. We decided to go this way as the break down time is longer upwards of 6-7 months where as a product like tyvek is about 3-4 months. I went the longer time based on leaving it in this state from now until probably being a realist the first of April before we start again.

I also went this way based on some research where this isn't a full time dwelling and based on our seasons may get used for 15-20 weekends a year 25% of that time will require the wood stove as a heat source the sweating factor between these products won't be as common based on usage, if that makes sense. To me at the time I looked into it thats why we went.

If we were going to be able to get to the siding instantly I would have used a tyvek wrap on the sides of the house with the permafelt for the roofing. Oh yeah it didn't hurt the 2 rolls of permafelt used were free either :)
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« Reply #121 on: March 13, 2013, 11:15:51 AM »
here we go today is 9 degrees C with warm winds and the majority fo the snow is gone. Up at the Cabin is a slightly different story there is still about 1.5 ft of snow. Think I am going to head up this weekend as I haven't been out in two months almost (too much snow).

And the excitement starts to grow....

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Re: NS 16x24 Cabin
« Reply #122 on: March 14, 2013, 04:10:08 PM »
Don't forget your snow shoes!  ;D looking forward to seeing what you've been dreaming up all winter.

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« Reply #123 on: April 11, 2013, 08:42:59 PM »
That's a fine looking cabin you have.  I'm looking forward to seeing your progress this year. 

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« Reply #124 on: June 20, 2013, 02:17:45 AM »
Sorry guys it has been a while. I have been doing a lot of plannig, and working on other projects since spring started and fortunately work has been rather busy. Not complaining just building reserves for this year. Some big ticket expenses ahead(steel roof, selkirk chimney, eaves flashing, windows siding,etc.). Looking like the start is near for the season.

Funny how life has its priorities last weekend we started to replace the outhouse near dad's cabin. The old one was near 20yrs plus, we dubbed it the rockin roll outhouse as everytime you stepped in she weebled and wobbled but never did fall down. The door blew off last year... lol :). My dad is big into history re-inacting 18th century so we spent the first of the year improving his spot. He dedicated a lot of time and energy with me last year so I thought I would pay it forward so to speak.  So far this year we we did some road work into the cabin, dugout for a new deck to be built a little later, and had put in a 150' 22 cal rifle range perfect for dad and his black power muskets, and 3lb brass cannon. Our goal is to host a 18th century weekend closer towards the fall so everyone can see what we've been working on.

Here is a shot a couple shots of the range construction. I didn't take any of the road work let's face it boring... lol :P









Funny I didn't realize how dirty my phone was until I uploaded these photos, must have been a tonne of dust on my lense. and of course the almost complete outshouse...



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