McCain & Obama

[ScottA]

I say vote for the guy you like even if he has no chance. Reason being if more third party canidates get votes they might be taken more seriously next time.

[MountainDon]

John C reflects my sentiments on this.

[John_C]

Spineless, useless dog squeeze

When looking at the news I saw this headline

Obama votes 'Present' on new economic rescue plan for now
Los Angeles Times - 36 minutes ago
CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- Sen. Barack Obama today met with some of his many economic advisors and made an announcement that he was not going to make an announcement about any new plan to plan plans.

The link was already removed...  in 36 minutes!
So he can continue to blame the Bush administration and support or denounce the current actions however it plays out.

It was followed by other articles with a lot or rhetoric, some of which could be interpreted as in favor of the current plan and some against. 

   

Vote for MOLD the WYSIWYG candidate.

[Redoverfarm]

I was sort of amused when I got a letter from Obama campaign. It was a form letter requesting contributions .  Anyway when I looked at the envelope for the return contribution there was a handwritten notation " if you use your own stamps to return this it will mean more money in the fund to use" or something to that effect.

[glenn kangiser]

I'm not sure where you get the proper currency for donations.



When you find it, I would donate to his little brother.  He needs it worse and it would do more good.

[MountainDon]

OK. It seems we're going to have a bailout to the tune of $700 Billion. That makes me think there's no money for anybody's health care for the people plan, no money for any tax cuts at all, no money to spend on military expenditures, no money for a whole lot of things.

Who do you vote for now?

[apaknad]

ron paul

[MountainDon]

I see that as a throw away. OMMV

[apaknad]

i understand, but at what point do we as a country try to start a more fair three party system? if not now, when? it seems like we couldn't be in a much worse situation. and it's like saying " my vote won't make a difference".

[MountainDon]

Possibly a parliamentary system, such as in Canada or the UK, where you are only 60 days away from an election (from a vote of no confidence) at any point in time would be beneficial?

Canada is presently tooling up for an election October 14. It was called in September. Less time for BS politicking, bad TV and radio ads, and so on.

Canada has about 6 parties at the federal level. That does present choice, but I'm not sure that's better.   

[desdawg]

I see that as a throw away. OMMV

With the only choices being Obama and McCain as votes that count I see any vote as a throw away. Maybe I will do a write in for Boone Pickens. He came up with what seems to be a workable energy plan to transition to renewables and he has enough economic sense to run a hedge fund. He already made himself rich so he doesn't have to do it in office. He may own too many houses though, who knows.

[Squirl]

Yeah, Israel has the same type government.  It has around 14 parties.  I like the system because it forces the government to pay attention to minority views held by smaller members of the public.

[Sassy]

I see that as a throw away. OMMV

With the only choices being Obama and McCain as votes that count I see any vote as a throw away. Maybe I will do a write in for Boone Pickens. He came up with what seems to be a workable energy plan to transition to renewables and he has enough economic sense to run a hedge fund. He already made himself rich so he doesn't have to do it in office. He may own too many houses though, who knows.

I agree with Desdawg & Apaknad...  have you heard that Ron Paul has put his support behind Chuck Baldwin, the presidential candidate for the Constitution party?  I like what he has to say...  I WILL NOT throw my vote away on McCain or Obama!  As long as everyone keeps saying you're throwing your vote away, we'll have the same "2" party (read that basically the same party) system & we know what that has given us...  I voted for GW Bush the 1st time around - I gave him a chance - he totally destroyed my trust in him as a leader & so did the Republican party...  I am registered as a Republican due to wanting to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries, but I will not vote the party line...  there are millions of people who do not want McCain or Obama...

Yes, maybe we need to change up our system a bit...  but how much money do all those who are running for office spend in Great Britain or Canada?  Or are they limited?  Do the taxpayers foot the bill?  I wouldn't use GB as an example - they've become a total police state with cameras on every corner - Big Brother monitoring their every move. 

So, to get back to the topic, I won't vote for either McCain or Obama...  why weren't Chuck Baldwin, Nader & Cynthia McKinney included in the debates?  They are all running...  what are they afraid of?  Of course, the MSM/gov't are in control of who the general population is able to be exposed to...   

[Redoverfarm]

Has anyone heard this?

Rumor has it that on or about October 5th, Biden will excuse himself from the ticket, citing health problems, and he will be replaced by Hillary.  This is timed to occur after the VP debate on 10/2.


There have been talks all weekend about how to proceed with this info.
Generally, the feeling is that we should all go ahead and get it out
there to as many blog sites and personal email lists as is possible. 

I have already seen a few short blurbs about this - the 'health problem' cited in those articles was aneurysm.  Probably many of you have heard the same rumblings.

However, at this point, with this inside info from the DNC, it looks
like this Obama strategy will be a go.  Therefore, it seems that the best
strategy is to get out in front of this Obama maneuver,  spell it out in
detail, and thereby expose it for the grand manipulation that it is.

[glenn kangiser]

If that happens then Osama better get himself a bullet proof vest and have an official food taster-- maybe Hillary?

[Sassy]

TRAINING A SOCIALIST ARMY OF WORLD SERVERS
PART 1

By Berit Kjos

September 28, 2008

NewsWithViews.com

Obama: "I will ask for your service and your active citizenship when I am president of the United States ... this will be a central cause of my presidency."[1]

Obama: "People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve.... I will set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year...."[2]

Saul Alinsky (Obama's Marxist mentor): "The disruption of the present organization is the first step toward community organization.... All change means disorganization of the old and organization of the new."[3] Rules for Radicals (excerpts here)

Brave New World: "A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned... to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors and schoolteachers."[4] Aldous Huxley

"These are serious times," said Barack Obama recently. "And they call for a serious debate about where we need to take the nation."[5] That's true! So where does he want "to take our nation?" How does his version of "service" fit his vision of CHANGE? And what will it cost in terms of freedom, privacy, taxes, and government control?   con't @ http://www.newswithviews.com/BeritKjos/kjos94.htm

[desdawg]

Here you go. This just arrived in my e-mail
http://www.thirdpartyticket.com/

[glenn kangiser]

That's a start, des, but with all of this talk of debates, etc.  we may be forgetting that the voting machine and electoral college issues are not fixed nor will they be. 

The vote is still an act of futility.

Everybody can do all of the token voting they want, but it is just a facade.  It will be business as usual no matter which way it goes.

Hopefully those pulling the strings have their hands full with other issues but I read somewhere that with the financial crisis and everything else going on, that the route is pretty well already decided.  I didn't get any clues on which way it will be and don't remember where I read it.

I wonder if bush will really give up power or if some fabricated crisis will happen just before the election causing him to have to enact his dictatorial power he granted himself by signing order and martial law? hmm 

With the Army being deployed here on our soil, it seems something may be up.

I can't imagine him wanting to stay in power with only 18% of the people believing they are not hiding something and are telling the truth about the last 8 years though.

[Sassy]

Third party is the only way - but as Glenn said, the voting machines have to be fixed 1st - actually they were initially fixed to be easily hacked...  there's still ongoing investigations, lots of testimony from computer experts & those that worked with Diebold on the computers...  I've posted videos of testimony before the Senate & other articles...   http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=3629.0

[desdawg]

I think the third party candidates are indeed wasted votes. But somewhere it has to begin. I know it seems like an impossible task to make a change but this years election really points out the lack of enough choices. I think there are more undecided voters now than there have ever been in history. I also think the pollsters are way off the mark. If there was something that at least looked hopeful that might not be the case. When the choice is between a socialist and a war monger many have no idea which way to turn. They will probaly decide on Nov 4 when they have the pen in thier hand. Neither candidate has a clue what to do with the economy which is the major issue right now. Energy management is next but it has affected the economy so severly it is hard to give it the top billing it deserves. We have been strangled by more than just the politicians.

[glenn kangiser]

A vote is only wasted if you use it for something you don't believe in. 

Now if only nobody would vote for the lesser of two evils it could be worth something but media, vote fraud and the system will insure business as usual.

[desdawg]

I don't think there will be any business as usual going on for some time to come since the house didn't sign off on the bail out. It will be business as unusual. It is a step to get back to some basic values.

[glenn kangiser]

They know what the bankers want and they know what a lot of them want......but the big crowd with the ropes, tar and feathers is making them nervous.

[kenhill]

I thought this was cute:
No matter what your political ideas are - I thought this was pretty
funny!

I was talking to the 8 year-old daughter of a friend of mine, and she
said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal
Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, "If you were President
what's the first thing you would do?"

She replied, "I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people."

"Wow - what a worthy goal," I told her. "But you don't have to wait
until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow the
grass, pull weeds, and rake my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you
over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can
give him the $50 to use toward food or a new house."

She thought that over for a few seconds, cause after all she's only 8.
And while her Mom glared at me, she looked me straight in the eye and
asked, "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work himself, and you
can just pay him the $50?"

And I said, "Welcome to the Republican Party."

Her folks still aren't talking to me.

[Redoverfarm]

Hey, folks, you want to tweak the Drive-By Media with me right now?

You are aware, probably, that Barack Obama lost his bearings recently and
said that he was going to campaign in all 57 states.

You heard this? And everybody chalked it up to, 'Well, he's tired.'

You know, this is a Dan Quayle moment. I mean, Dan Quayle goes out there
and misspells 'potato,' and we still hear jokes about it.

Barack Obama says he's  gonna go out and campaign in 57 states, he was just
tired, you know, it's been such a long campaign, he's been so many places, he probably thinks there are 57 states.

Well, I have here a printout from a web site called the International Humanist and Ethical Union.  And here is how the second paragraph of an article on that website begins.

'Every year from 1999 to 2005 the organization of the Islamic conference
representing the 57 Islamic states presented a resolution to the United
Nations Commission on human rights called combating.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_the_Islamic_Conference
Obama said he's going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that there are 57 Islamic states. There are 57 Islamic states.
 
So did Obama just lose his bearings, or was this a more telling slip, ladies and  gentlemen?