Thought For the Day

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Redoverfarm

Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.

MountainDon

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Just because something has been done and has not failed, doesn't mean it is good design.


Sassy

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You will know the truth & the truth will set you free

MountainDon

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. He is not entitled to his own facts."

- Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Just because something has been done and has not failed, doesn't mean it is good design.

muldoon

Thomas Jefferson speaking on the first attempt to establish a central bank in America:

    "The system of banking is a blot left in all our Constitutions, which, if not covered, will end in their destruction. I sincerely believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity is but swindling futurity on a large scale."

    "The end of democracy, and the defeat of the American revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of the lending institutions and moneyed incorporations."

    "If the people ever allow the banks to issue their currency, the banks and corporations which will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property, until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

    "Paper is poverty... It is not money, but the ghost of money."

    "There is an artificial aristocracy, founded on birth and privelege, without virtue or talents... The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provisions should be made to prevent its ascendency."

    "The bank of the United States is one of the most deadly hostilities existing against the principles and form of our Constitution. I deem no government safe which is under the vassalage of any self-constituted authorities, or any other authority than that of the nation, or its regular functionaries. What an obstruction could not this bank of the United States, with all its branch banks, be in a time of war? It might dictate to us the peace we should accept, or it might withdraw its aid. Ought we then to give further growth to an institution so powerful, so hostile?"



James Madison speaking on the first attempt to establish a central bank in America:

    "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit and violent means possible, to maintain their control over governments, by controlling money and its issuance."

    "It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. We hold this prudent jealousy to be the first duty of citizens and one of the noblest characteristics of the late revolution. The free men of America did not wait until usurped power has strengthened itself by exercise and entangled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle."



Andrew Jackson speaking on the second attempt to establish a central bank in America:

    "If congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations."

    "I am one of those who do not believe that a national debt is a national blessing, but rather a curse to a republic, inasmuch as it is calculated to raise around the administration a monied aristocracy dangerous to the liberties of the country."

    President Jackson told the bankers "You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal god, I will rout you out!"



Abraham Lincoln speaking on the third attempt to establish a central bank in America:

    "The money powers prey on the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. The banking powers are more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. They denounce as public enemies all who question their methods or throw light upon their crimes.

    I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me, and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe. As a most undesirable consequence of the war, corporations have been enthroned, and an era of corruption in high places will follow. The money power will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed."

    "The government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be the master and become the servant of humanity."

    "Government, possessing the power to create and issue credit and currency as money, and enjoying the right to withdraw both currency and credit by taxation and otherwise, need not and should not borrow capital at interest as the means of financing governmental work and public enterprise."

    "The privelege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Government's greatest creative opportunity."

    "No duty is more imperative on the government than the duty it owes the people to furnish them with a sound and uniform currency, and of regulating the circulation of the medium of exchange so that labor will be protected from a vicious currency, and commerce will be facilitated by cheap and safe exchanges."



muldoon



President Woodrow Wilson, after having broken campaign promises and betrayed his country by signing into law the Federal Reserve Act:

    "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country.

    A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation therefore, and all our activities, are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world. No longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

     



Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Congressional Record, June 15, 1934):

    "Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power. But the truth is, the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the government of the United States.

    It controls everything here; and it controls our foreign relations. It makes or breaks governments at will. No man, and no body of men, is more entrenched in power than the arrogant credit monopoly which operates the Federal Reserve Board and Federal Reserve Banks.

    These evil-doers have robbed the country of more than enough money to pay the national debt. What the National Government has permitted the Federal Reserve Board to steal from the people should now be returned to the people. The people have a valid claim against the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks. If that claim is enforced, Americans will not need to stand in bread lines. Homes will be saved. Families will be kept.

    What is needed here is a return to the Constitution of the United States. The old struggle that was fought out here in Jackson's day must be fought over again.

    The Federal Reserve Act should be repealed; and the Federal Reserve Banks -- having violated their charters -- should be liquidated immediately. Faithless government officers who have violated their oaths of office should be impeached and brought to trial.

    Unless this is done by us, I predict the American people -- outraged, robbed, pillaged, insulted, and betrayed as they are in their own land -- will rise in their wrath and send a President here who WILL sweep the money changers from the temple."

Sassy

Is anybody listening?   ???  doesn't seem like the US citizen is taught these principles anymore...  so sad...  and tragic... 
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apaknad

it makes me sad to read this and see how far we have drifted from the original constitution and ideals from our wonderful forefathers intent for this nation. we are a shadow of our former selves. what are we leaving for our children?
unless we recognize who's really in charge, things aren't going to get better.

Sassy

Brave New World: "A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned... to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors and schoolteachers." Aldous Huxley  http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/Brave2001.htm
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ScottA

Some of us will never be slaves. The curse of being able to think is to know things one might want to forget.

Sassy

Sun Tzu's Art of War: Sell your enemy his own death while making him think it's a good idea.
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John Raabe

Here's a thought for the day. Consider using a small tax on the buying and selling of financial instruments - stocks, bonds, derivatives, etc. to fund this bailout. A .25% tax could raise $150B a year. This would also have the effect of slowing the frothy speculative transactions that now have a very low cost of execution. (Much like a small tax on email would reduce the no-cost spam we all endure.)

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/26

No one likes taxes but....

None of us are as smart as all of us.

John_C

I am very much an anti tax kinda guy, but this is a good idea.

There is going to be some sort of bailout and it will cost somebody some money. This puts the burden in the right place and perhaps make the plan easier for the politicians to sell to the man on the street.  I'd like to see more ideas along those lines.

The best idea I've seen for reducing or eliminating spam goes like this.

It costs you 5¢ to send an email. 4¢ of that goes to the person to whom you are sending the email and 1¢ goes to your ISP to cover the costs of the program.  If you email me and I respond it has cost each of us 1¢.  For a spamster sending tens of thousands of emails / day the costs would be overwhelming.

considerations

"It costs you 5¢ to send an email. 4¢ of that goes to the person to whom you are sending the email and 1¢ goes to your ISP to cover the costs of the program.  If you email me and I respond it has cost each of us 1¢.  For a spamster sending tens of thousands of emails / day the costs would be overwhelming."

A lot of these spamsters are in other countries, and using networks of highjacked personal computers, like yours and mine, to distribute.  The electronic trail is near impossible to backtrack beyond the highjacked computer.  Only once in a while do agencies from cooperating countries get these people tracked down and caught.

I'd love to see something like this work but there'd be a lot of innocent folk unwittingly caught in the middle, and potentially stuck with the bill.   :(


MountainDon

I agree. There is virtually no way to stop spam. What aggravates me is there must be enough folks with no brains out there who actually click on spam crap to make it worthwhile to the spammer to keep churning it out.

Just because something has been done and has not failed, doesn't mean it is good design.

Sassy

"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves . . . I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will rout you out!"

President Andrew Jackson
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Redoverfarm

THERE ARE FOUR THINGS YOU CANNOT RECOVER


THE STONE... AFTER THE THROW

THE WORD ...AFTER IT IS SAID

THE OCCASSION ...AFTER THE LOSS

THE TIME ...AFTER IT IS GONE


muldoon

"Panics do not destroy capital; they merely reveal the extent to which it has been previously destroyed by its betrayal into hopelessly unproductive works"

John Stuart Mill - (20 May 1806 – 8 May 1873), British philosopher, political economist, civil servant and Member of Parliament

That quote is quite profound given today's environment and shows yet again there is no new thing under the sun. 


Sassy

Got this from a friend...  had a hard time deciding whether to put into the "thought for the day" or "humor"  ???  these quotes would be funny if they weren't so true...   d*



POLITICAL AXIOMS

Never more true than today!!!!




'If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.'

-Mark Twain

Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress..... But then I repeat myself.

-Mark Twain

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.

-Winston Churchill

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.

- George Bernard Shaw

A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money.

-G. Gordon Liddy

Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

-James Bovard, Civil Libertarian (1994)

Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries.

-Douglas Casey,

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.

-P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian

Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.

-Frederic Bastiat, French Economist (1801-1850)

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

-Ronald Reagan (1986)

I don't make jokes... I just watch the government and report the facts.

-Will Rogers

If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free!

- P.J. O'Rourke

In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other.

-Voltaire (1764)

Just because you do not take an interest in politics

doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you!

-Pericles (430 B.C.)

No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.

-Mark Twain (1866 )

Talk is cheap...except when Congress does it.

-Unknown

The government is like a baby's alimentary canal: a happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.

-Ronald Reagan

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.

-Winston Churchill

The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin.

-Mark Twain

The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.

-Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903 )

There is no distinctly Native American criminal class...save Congress.

-Mark Twain

What this country needs are more unemployed politicians.

-Edward Langley, Artist (1928 - 1995)

AND THE BEST ONE.......

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.

-Thomas Jefferson
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MountainDon

Tomorrow is often the busiest day of the week.
Just because something has been done and has not failed, doesn't mean it is good design.

Sassy

Taxes explained

So simple so we all can understand without using our brain.

Here is the wisdom of our near term SOCIALIST President of CHANGE:

No PhD. required here, if you do not get this, your voting card
should be revoked!
BAR STOOL ECONOMICS

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill
for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our
taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the
bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one
day, the owner threw them a curve.

'Since you are all good customers, he said, I'm going to
reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost
just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our
taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink
for
free.

But what about the other six men - the paying customers?
How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his
'fair share?'

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they
subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the
sixth man
would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner
suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly
the
same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should
pay.!

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100%
savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four
continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men
began to compare their savings.

'I only got a dollar out of the $20,' declared the sixth man.
He pointed to the tenth man, 'but he got $10!'

'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a
dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'

'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get
$10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'*

'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We
didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the
nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay
the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough
money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors,
is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get
the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them
for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact,
they
might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat
friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible (Please
do not vote)
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MountainDon

#323
I like that one!!! 


I don't believe it though, a college professor who obviously is not a liberal?  ;)
Just because something has been done and has not failed, doesn't mean it is good design.

MountainDon

Well, I don't know what to say? ???

I have this personality flaw/strength.  [crz] I check up on stuff. I Googled the good professors name and came up with countless examples of that story. Including an article on Snopes. Professor David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D. denies he was the author of the piece.  :-\ The same/similar story has also been attributed to other people as well; all deny authorship. David R. Kamerschen's personal website has a first paragraph disclaimer regarding the piece.

Maybe he really didn't author it. Maybe he did and doesn't want to be found to be closet conservative at a liberal university? Who knows.  ??? It is a good story though.  ;D Oh, the timeline for this goes back to at least 2004.
Just because something has been done and has not failed, doesn't mean it is good design.