republic of texas

[muldoon]

give em hell ...

I'm off to the alamo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LHrIxc-QyE

[StinkerBell]

I wonder if Texas can decide just to become a territory like Puerto Rico or Guam......

[rwanders]

Read someplace that the US agreed to let Texas retain the right to split itself into as many as five states as part of the treaty admitting Texas to the union----they would then have 10 Senators and maybe able to effect some changes, assuming all 10 could agree on a course of action and join with other western states (not California or Oregon though).

[bayview]

   Makes one wonder why the Governer is suddenly so vocal? 

   I wonder if Gov. Perry is positioning himself politcally.  Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson is considering running for Governer of Texas in 2010 . . .

[ScottA]

I heard he was also making noises about Texas possibly seeking independence if things didn't change in D.C. I hate to say it but I think we are being set up for a cival war and Texas may be the flashpoint.

[bayview]

   saber rattling . . . (?)

[ScottA]

Maybe or just grandstanding. Here's the wierd part that's got me puzzled. Yesterdays tax protests...No cops in riot gear...remember the conventions? Cops everywhere in riot gear at every protest. Yesterday nothing except we got this gov making wierd noises. We got the feds who know full well they have made alot of folks mad and don't seem to care. They are still giving away truckloads of cash to the banks like there is no tomorrow...no tomorrow maybe the plan.

1. Colapse the economy
2. Loot the nation
3 Trigger a cival war
4. USA breaks up into several parts
5. A new N. American union is formed which includes Mexico and Canada
6. ? Global government ?

Pure speculation but somethings rotten in Denmark and I'm still trying to figure out what they are up to. But the feds are acting like they have no concern for the future at all.

[Pox Eclipse]

Well, the government certainly has no concern for the teabaggers.  It was orchestrated by a well organized astroturfing effort sponsored by Fox News and right wing special interests, and the turnout was sparse.  The message was confused; it started out as a tax & spending protest, but I saw lots of signs about illegal immigration, abortion, gun rights, and many other Republican hot button issues recycled from the campaign.
 
I think the whole teabagging movement is the death throes of cultural conservatism in America.  It is finally sinking in among the right wing that they have no political power anymore, and liberals are going to run things for the foreseeable future.  So what we are seeing is the twenty-percenters, the die-hard conservative base who will, on principle, never support anything proposed by a Democrat, and cling to their discredited issues long after the rest of the country has moved on to try something besides the same policies that got us into this mess in the first place.

[muldoon]

pox, I dont know about that.

Houston had a 9000 people turnout, and San Antonio where I was had a 16,000 people turnout.  For a wednesday- thats a pretty big show. 

I completely disagree with your statement that it was a fox new / right wing / special interest show.  From what I saw, people are angry at both parties - and in fact most of the talk was very against main stream media - fox included.  (funny how that didn't make it into the Glenn beck show even tho it was talked about during his "one hour segment" earlier in the day. )

Personally I don't care much for Glenn Beck, nor Fox news, nor and Democrats or Republicans.  And the message I heard very LOUD and CLEAR was that people were more interested in right and  wrong than right and left.   While I do realize that there is considerable effort underway to paint the participants as extremists - I simply do not accept that reasoning. 

There was an oddity I encountered yesterday at the tea party tho - and that is the general consensus that things could continue as they are in the current model.  It seemed to be widely accepted that bailouts and broken math could simply continue on forever and that the protest was to stop it because it would lead to higher taxation and oppression.  Personally, I am a huge believer in math, and history for that matter and I would say that the current track will not hold.  That as foreign debt holdings decrease and capital flows out; the game will not be sustainable - perhaps not even for another 12 months at this rate - and that the the tea party participants have absolutely no idea what kind of dangers this republic faces. 

While they are concerned about higher taxes, the real potential problems have not even occurred to them.  I respect your perspective on the subject; however my own view is that there is simply no way this does not get very very ugly in the end.  P

Somewhere along the line someone somewhere will be writing a new document that begins with :
"when in the course of human events...  " 

[peternap]

pox, I dont know about that.

Houston had a 9000 people turnout, and San Antonio where I was had a 16,000 people turnout.  For a wednesday- thats a pretty big show. 

I completely disagree with your statement that it was a fox new / right wing / special interest show.  From what I saw, people are angry at both parties - and in fact most of the talk was very against main stream media - fox included.  (funny how that didn't make it into the Glenn beck show even tho it was talked about during his "one hour segment" earlier in the day. )

Personally I don't care much for Glenn Beck, nor Fox news, nor and Democrats or Republicans.  And the message I heard very LOUD and CLEAR was that people were more interested in right and  wrong than right and left.   While I do realize that there is considerable effort underway to paint the participants as extremists - I simply do not accept that reasoning. 

There was an oddity I encountered yesterday at the tea party tho - and that is the general consensus that things could continue as they are in the current model.  It seemed to be widely accepted that bailouts and broken math could simply continue on forever and that the protest was to stop it because it would lead to higher taxation and oppression.  Personally, I am a huge believer in math, and history for that matter and I would say that the current track will not hold.  That as foreign debt holdings decrease and capital flows out; the game will not be sustainable - perhaps not even for another 12 months at this rate - and that the the tea party participants have absolutely no idea what kind of dangers this republic faces. 

While they are concerned about higher taxes, the real potential problems have not even occurred to them.  I respect your perspective on the subject; however my own view is that there is simply no way this does not get very very ugly in the end.  P

Somewhere along the line someone somewhere will be writing a new document that begins with :
"when in the course of human events...  " 

I got the same message Muldoon...except my people were sure it COULD NOT go on forever. If this is a put on, they forgot to tell the thousands of very angry people there.

[peternap]

This sums up the feeling toward Fox