Buying Ammo in California

[MountainDon]

So have any of our members bought in CA bought ammo lately? What's the experience like with the new law?

[Shawn B]

I don't know what new California law you are referring to, but I did receive this today from Montana's Congressman:

Rehberg Takes Aim At New ATF Firearm Sales Reporting Rules

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Montana's Congressman, Denny Rehberg, today released the following statement critical of a proposed "emergency rule" by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to require federally licensed firearms retailers to report multiple sales of semi-automatic rifles. The proposed rule was included in today's Federal Register and specifically calls for firearm retailers to report multiple sales, or other dispositions, of two or more .22 caliber or larger semi-automatic rifles that are capable of accepting a detachable magazine and are purchased by the same individual within five consecutive business days.

"While we've managed to stop gun control efforts in Congress, the Obama Administration wants to circumvent the legislative process altogether in order to force its anti-gun policies on the American people.  Beyond the economic burden of more paperwork for gun dealers, this rule is predicated on the incorrect assumption that buying multiple guns is a questionable activity that warrants a red flag for government attention.  This is the exact mindset that proponents of the Second Amendment feared when an anti-gun Chicago politician moved into the White House.  I'll keep fighting to make sure the federal government respects all of our Constitutional rights."

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So those of us who buy a couple of Ruger 10/22 for our use, gifts for kids, whatever the ATF feels that we need to be reported to them. As if we were some sort of domestic terrorist. The slippery slope is here.

[MountainDon]

Thanks Shawn,

CA ammo purchasers have to sign for the purchase. No mail order ammo either.



@#%!!&$? gun nazis



http://www.nssfblog.com/atf-to-require-multiple-sales-reports-for-long-guns/
ATF to Require Multiple Sales Reports for Long Guns
December 17, 2010 By Larry Keane View Comments


The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is moving to require federally licensed firearms retailers to report multiple sales of modern sporting rifles beginning January 5, 2011. Specifically, the ATF requirement calls for firearms retailers to report multiple sales, or other dispositions, of two or more .22 caliber or larger semi-automatic rifles that are capable of accepting a detachable magazine and are purchased by the same individual within five consecutive business days.

Today's Washington Post suggests that the reporting mandate would be limited to retailers along the Southwest border; however, the Federal Register Notice does not limit the geographic scope of the reporting requirement.

This ATF "emergency" mandate was originally pushed by the anti-gun Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG) coalition, headed by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, more than a year and a half ago. And the Post reports that the Department of Justice has "languished" over this plan for several months.  Given this timetable, it's hard to see exactly where the "emergency" is.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation opposes this reporting requirement because it further burdens America's law-abiding firearms retailers with yet another onerous regulation that will do nothing to curb crime.  Multiple sales reporting of long guns will actually make it more difficult for licensed retailers to help law enforcement as traffickers modify their illegal schemes to circumvent the reporting requirement, thereby driving traffickers further underground. This is not unlike how criminals maneuvered around one-gun-a-month laws in states like Virginia – which is still considered an "exporting source state" by anti-gun organizations like the MAIG despite its restrictions on the number of firearms law-abiding residents may purchase.

Multiple sales reporting for long guns is an ill-considered mandate and one that ATF does not have the legal authority to unilaterally impose. In fact, ATF has not specified under what legal authority it presumes to act. The decision as to whether ATF can move forward with this agenda-driven mandate will be left to Cass Sunstein who heads the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA).  This is the same Cass Sunstein who in a 2007 speech at Harvard University said, "We ought to ban hunting, if there isn't a purpose other than sport and fun. That should be against the law. It's time now."

NSSF will be submitting comments in opposition to this registration scheme and is encouraging all firearms retailers, sportsmen and enthusiasts to do the same.

Please voice your concern by doing the following:

1. Call the Office of Management and Budget, Office of Information and Regulation Affairs, Department of Justice, Desk Officer at (202) 395-6466.

2. E-mail Barbara A. Terrell, ATF, Firearms Industry Programs Branch at Barbara.Terrell@atf.gov

3. Call your Senators and Representative: United States Capitol Switchboard: 202-224-3121

Points to make:

Multiple sales reporting of long guns will actually make it more difficult for licensed retailers to help law enforcement as traffickers modify their illegal schemes to circumvent the reporting requirement. Traffickers will go further underground, hiring more people to buy their firearms. This will make it much harder for retailers to identify and report suspicious behavior to law enforcement.
Long guns are rarely used in crime (Bureau of Justice Statistics).
Imposing multiple sales-reporting requirements for long guns would further add to the already extensive paperwork and record-keeping requirements burdening America's retailers – where a single mistake could cost them their license and even land them in jail.
Last year, ATF inspected 2,000 retailers in border states and only two licenses were revoked (0.1%). These revocations were for reasons unknown and could have had nothing to do with illicit trafficking of guns; furthermore, no dealers were charged with any criminal wrongdoing.
According to ATF, the average age of a firearm recovered in the United States is 11 years old. In Mexico it's more than 14 years old.  This demonstrates that criminals are not using new guns bought from retailers in the states.
Congress, when it enacted multiple sales reporting for handguns, could have required multiple sales of long guns – it specifically chose not to.

[glenn kangiser]

According to Sportsman's Guide that law goes into effect Feb 1st.

They suggest we buy now, but some people I know bought enough to last all the rest of their lives when Osama was put into the presidents office by the Criminal "Supreme Court" that did not require he prove he is eligible nor that any American is allowed to question their installation of him or his eligibility.

Some may not agree with my opinion.....

[Pox Eclipse]

You are entitled to your own opinion.  You are not entitled to your own facts.

[MountainDon]

Ooops, I thought it was already in effect. And to be clear, it is handgun ammo.


Never mind until Feb  ,,, seems like forever ago that the terminator signed the bill

[glenn kangiser]

I thought it was all mail order ammo too but I am not sure of that.

Pox, it is a fact that the Supreme Court will not allow Barry Sotero's eligibility to be in the presidents office to be questioned legally by any United States citizen.  Many in good standing and even who ran against him have tried.  Just plain not allowed for any number of exaggerated reasons, but it all boils down to , it is just not going to be allowed.

That is a fact we are all privy to... it is not my fact.

[Pox Eclipse]

Pox, it is a fact that the Supreme Court will not allow Barry Sotero's eligibility to be in the presidents office to be questioned legally by any United States citizen.  

See, that is contrary to the facts.  The Supreme Court listened to the claims, and found them without merit.  That is the sound of the system working.  Or perhaps you think your issues are worthy of special treatment not accorded everybody else with unsubstantiated claims they demand to argue before the high court?  Is every case turned down by SCOTUS a miscarriage of justice?  Or just yours?

[glenn kangiser]

It fits your parties desires but is not justice as they will not even address it.

[Pox Eclipse]

It was addressed according the law prescribed by the Constitution.  You wouldn't have it any other way, would you?

[glenn kangiser]

It was not addressed... just avoided by those who have the power to avoid it.  That is not saying it is right ... just like the bought out ruling for eminent domain by crooked justices for corporate America.... face it.  Scotus is owned by big business.

BTW, Pox... don't think I am just picking on Barry Soetoro.  I am not for any of the politicians as they are simply puppets for the real shadow government that really controls the US.

George w Bush was also installed by the supreme court as he was supposed to get it rather than Gore.  The fake - Who Me, when he got office was unbelievable by anybody -  Hanging chads and voting machine fraud as well as ineligible foreigners... we have not had a real election in years.

Just a puppet show where some pretend to have won and some regretfully pretend to have lost but still the proper puppet is installed in office by the corrupt system and most are pacified into thinking they made a difference.  At least that is still working correctly....

[MountainDon]

AB 962 - requires gun sellers to record sales of ammunition, and requires the fingerprinting and identification of the purchaser.

This bill would provide that a person enjoined from engaging in activity associated with a criminal street gang, as specified, would be prohibited from having under his or her possession, custody, or control, any ammunition. Violation of these provisions would be a misdemeanor. The bill would prohibit supplying or delivering, as specified, handgun ammunition to prohibited persons, as described, by persons or others who know, or by using reasonable care should know, that the recipient is a person prohibited from possessing ammunition or a minor prohibited from possessing ammunition, as specified. Violation of these provisions is a misdemeanor with specified penalties. The bill would provide, subject to exceptions, that commencing February 1, 2011, the delivery or transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition may only occur in a face-to-face transaction, with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide evidence of identity of the purchaser or other transferee. A violation of these provisions would be a misdemeanor.

Where ammunition or reloaded ammunition may be used in both a rifle and a handgun, it may be sold to a person who is at least 18 years of age, but less than 21 years of age, if the vendor reasonably believes that the ammunition is being acquired for use in a rifle and not a handgun.

[MountainDon]

Follow this link

http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=9981.msg127670#msg127670

for more on the multiple firearms purchase topic......

[glenn kangiser]

Here is the letter I got from Sportsman's Guide


Dear Friend,

Stock up on ammunition now, while you still can! HURRY!

Browse Ammo at SportsmansGuide.com

You're probably aware of pending legislation that will effectively bring The Guide's ability to provide you with all calibers of ammo plus certain shooting-related items to a screeching halt.

California AB 962 is scheduled to go into effect February 1, 2011. I'm just reminding you of what's ahead, in case you want to stock up now.

Among other regulations, AB 962 will:

    * Ban all mail-order and Internet sales of ammunition
    * Require drivers license and thumb print for purchase of ammo
    * Require face to face transaction

Follow this link to get a look at big deals on ammo. Order by January 24 in order to ensure delivery prior to February 1, when the law goes into effect.

Browse Ammo at SportsmansGuide.com

Thank you, My Friend, and Happy Shooting!

Gary Olen

P.S. Remember, AB 962 goes into effect Feb. 1st. Take action now, or by January 24 at the very latest!


Maybe that is what stops all ammo sales to us over the web.

[Grimjack]

Its a law of inconvenience, as the Nevada or Oregon border is just a few hours away from most any point in the State. A friend and I have already been discussing doing some road trips.

[Shawn B]

I for see a mass Patriot exodus out of California very soon.

[glenn kangiser]

Nazis - but a lot of us will still hunker down in the hills sitting on our stash and networking with lots of like minded individuals....

[Grimjack]

I for see a mass Patriot exodus out of California very soon.

Which is why I just bought land in Tennessee. No state income tax, great gun laws, and no building permits to pull!