Are you Free?

[ScottA]

If you're not sure maybe you should read this. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/yearoftheslave.html

Live free or die.

[StinkerBell]

No I am not free! My husband will be paying for me for the rest of his life.

[glenn kangiser]

Were you cheap, Stink?

Free -- not on your life.  I try to exercise freedom and one day it may get me into trouble but I am not even free to take a local or cross flight country without fear of being harassed by the TSA. 

So much for travel.  I seldom make a move on my own property without breaking an un-Constitutional ex-post facto law.

Live free or die is right. 

I'm willing to take my chances and was willing to die if the authorities tried to forcefully remove me during the fire.  They could see that and backed off.  My attitude is not going to change. 

That still does not change the idea that the oppression is there waiting to be exerted to the maximum amount they think they can get away with.  People living free is not a good thing for them.  Others may get the idea that they want to do the same -- then where would they be.  The subjects forgetting that they are subjects and actually thinking that the government is composed of PUBLIC SERVANTS.  Perish the thought. 

[StinkerBell]

According to my husband I am driving him to the poor house, so I think the answers is No, I am not cheap.

[Redoverfarm]

Well Stink I would rather be in the poor house than the nut house.  Come to think of it I am already half there 

[glenn kangiser]

You can drive, Stink? hmm

[StinkerBell]

I am driving him in the Kubota.

[ScottA]

Do you guys ever not hijack a thread? This one got hijacked after one post. Pretty efficent. 

[StinkerBell]

We love you ScottA 

[Sassy]

Do you guys ever not hijack a thread? This one got hijacked after one post. Pretty efficent. 

They can't help themselves 

[rwanders]

In the words of an immortal philosopher; "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose" 

------Janis Joplin

[MountainDon]

lyrics penned by Kris Kristofferson. I like his version as well. I have both.

There. Another hijack completed.   





Free? compared to where/what?

[sparks]

I voted yes.


"Free? compared as to where/what"

MtnDon, I don't type very well or with any speed..........a lot of things to consider on this subject.





sparks



Ps...Good thread ScottA

[glenn kangiser]

I'd say for this topic, free as described in the article Scott posted and as described in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

The States also illegally remove our freedom - Interstate commerce is not to be taxed but - ever try to get a truckload of produce across state lines without being taxed, fee'd and whatever else goes with that? hmm

[glenn kangiser]

I am driving him in the Kubota.

The only Kubota I have seen around here is the one my manure supplier uses to load my trailer.

[bayview]

   America . . . Where your "Free" to do as your told.

   Or, suffer the consequences . . . 

[pagan]

It's all relative. We certainly have more freedom than some other societies. Are we losing freedoms long taken for granted? Of course. Are there people willing to fight to regain those stolen freedoms? Yes, but they are quickly locked away. Look at what's happened to the so called "eco-terrorists" who burned SUVs and destroyed logging and mining equipment. Did they destroy private property? Of course. Was private property destroyed during the American Revolution? You bet. Our government will eventually do something so egregious that it precipitates a mass revolt, which is why our elected "leaders" are always attempting to take away the right to bare arms.

I know the limits of my freedom, and where my government wants me in the socio-economic ladder. If knowledge is power, and by extension freedom, than I am both powerful and free.

Did I get the thread back on track, Don?

[ScottA]

For most of my life I have felt I was free. It's only in the last 10 or so years that has changed. The feeling like you are being forced or coerced in a certain direction. The attitude by government and business that you are just a number and have no say so help shape this feeling of lost freedom. A general disrespect by those who serve our needs, rude cashiers and clerks add to it "Sir" became "hey you". Excessive rules and regulations, no hunting, no fishing, no camping, do this, don't do that, every day it's something new. I'm no longer allowed to mow the grass in front of my house by the lake without a permit because it's wildlife habitat. We've only been mowing it for 30 years. Can't cut trees or brush either. What they call habitat protection is really loss of access. I can't put in my own septic because it might hurt some contractors profits. The list goes on and on. Americans are free to go shopping or stay home and that's about it. For pretty much everything else it's do as you are told. It's wasn't always like this.

[pagan]

Those in power have been at this since they first convinced a bunch of farmers they'd be better off without an English king ruling them.

[glenn kangiser]

Sorry... 

I forgot to add the Declaration of Independence.  Remember it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." 

(The right to provide shelter for our families unimpeded and without penalty?  Is that a pursuit of happiness?  Does it harm someone?)



This sentence has been called "one of the best-known sentences in the English language"[2] and "the most potent and consequential words in American history".[3] The passage has often been used to promote the rights of marginalized groups, and came to represent for many people a moral standard for which the United States should strive. This view was greatly influenced by Abraham Lincoln, who considered the Declaration to be the foundation of his political philosophy,[4] and promoted the idea that the Declaration is a statement of principles through which the United States Constitution should be interpreted.

Many colonists, however, had developed a different conception of the empire. Because the colonies were not directly represented in Parliament, colonists argued that Parliament had no right to levy taxes upon them. This tax dispute was part of a larger divergence between British and American interpretations of the British Constitution and the extent of Parliament's authority in the colonies.[7] The orthodox British view, dating from the Glorious Revolution of 1688, was that Parliament was the supreme authority throughout the empire, and so by definition anything Parliament did was constitutional.[8] In the colonies, however, the idea had developed that the British Constitution recognized certain fundamental rights that no government—not even Parliament—could violate.[9] After the Townshend Acts, some essayists even began to question whether Parliament had any legitimate jurisdiction in the colonies at all.[10

"King George had rejected reconciliation and was even hiring foreign mercenaries to use against the colonies, "it is necessary that the exercise of every kind of authority under the said crown should be totally suppressed".  Our own military and Swat teams have been loosed on us.  Remember Seattle?

It will soon be common to see military all over the US.  Currently all over the floods up North for good, the camel has his nose in the tent.  People are being accustomed to seeing them deployed here.  When will Skeletor Chertoff (The Isreali National) decide that dissent is cause to use them too?  Likely as soon as the system collapses a bit more and the people decide that the ruling class is the cause.  It will come.

[glenn kangiser]

I am not surprised to see more who feel free than those who do not feel that way, and I don't hold it against them.

There are many more who are afraid to look at current events and the state of the US - in fact the world,  than those who are willing to face the fear and see what is happening  I fully expect them to continue to live under the illusion that they are free rather than face reality.....

[ScottA]

I'm not suprised either glenn. I doubt many people even give much thought to it and in fact many probly like it the way it is.

[StinkerBell]

I voted "No".

[glenn kangiser]

I'm proud of you, Stink.

[glenn kangiser]

I'm not suprised either glenn. I doubt many people even give much thought to it and in fact many probly like it the way it is.

I agree, Scott.  People don't want their utopia rocked even if they have to avoid looking at the facts.  The elite will leave them to their TV, Mainstream Oil Soaked Media Whores, as long as they don't make waves  and allow them to do whatever they want with the tax dollars and lives of their children.  Yes - we are just meat breeders for the wars of the elite.  I for one would not want to have to say my child died for this country because it is for the greed of the elite.  Not the protection of our country at this time, as most of our children joining the military at first are lead to believe.

Having my children's lives stolen for oil and Corporate profits is not the same as them dying for their country.  Having them participate in collateral damage of the lives and property of innocents in poor foreign countries to plunder their goods is not my type of morality. 

Free --- am I free or am I a slave to the blood guilt of the criminal  leaders of this country?  I am not a willing participant.  It was not the desire of the founders of our country.  I hope to not be held accountable by association.  It is exactly what my ancestors came to this country and homesteaded because of.  Freedom from oppression - true freedom.