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« Reply #925 on: September 04, 2008, 09:13:26 AM »
Guess I failed to include the loading picture.  The crane would load it, but I have 2 of these forklifts - one at the place in Kerman - in the valley and one at the cabin- 75 miles apart.



I don't think all of my power supply in Mariposa has enough to spin that thing over.  Fortunately it is belt driven from the motor so a change won't be too hard.

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« Reply #926 on: September 04, 2008, 09:24:28 AM »

 You may die a happy man , so many toys , ahhhh,ahhhhhhhh,  I mean TOOLS!   [cool] You DA man Glenn [cool]
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« Reply #927 on: September 04, 2008, 09:26:59 AM »
I didn't post it before as I was trying to keep from showing off. d*

Kinda looks like a freight train there doesn't it. hmm rofl
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« Reply #928 on: September 04, 2008, 09:28:57 AM »
Note that all of my toys are older junk. :)
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Re: Glenn's Underground Cabin Update
« Reply #929 on: September 04, 2008, 10:16:43 AM »
Sanford & Sons?


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« Reply #930 on: September 04, 2008, 10:23:21 AM »
You don't even want to see my acre of stuff in the back at Kerman.  It includes 5 drilling rigs - one very antique one.

Not safe for CP viewing. rofl
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Re: Glenn's Underground Cabin Update
« Reply #931 on: September 04, 2008, 03:29:28 PM »
Quoted from http://californiaopencarry.org

Loaded Open Carry is only legal in your home, temporary residence or campsite (but not in a State Park or National Park), place of business, private property (with the owner's permission), and in remote areas of unincorporated territory where shooting is not prohibited.

So yeah...I assume where you live could be considered "unincorporated".


I also highly doubt any of us wouldn't love to see that yard of equipment.

What method are you going to use to try to clean out that well? Our well has been putting out sand. We raised the pump ten feet, and still get occasional spurts. I've read that a good air compressor and a lot of pipe could blow the sand out, is that what you plan to do? If so, have you done it before with success?

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Re: Glenn's Underground Cabin Update
« Reply #932 on: September 04, 2008, 04:28:59 PM »
Any thing Antique I am up for it,

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« Reply #933 on: September 04, 2008, 04:45:13 PM »
There you are, dra.  Yup -- our county does not have one incorporated city in it.  Not even the town of Mariposa.  We are totally unincorporated.  I guess that is why we are way cool. d*

Many old law officers, spooks etc. come up here to retire -- people who like guns and like to shoot and don't like people to mess with them.  1700 people in town and 17000 in the entire county appx.

It is really a mess of old equipment and junk - I suppose I could take pix of some of the choice pieces.  I have 2 Speed Star 71's and a Speed Star 72 plus a parts rig for the 71's.  I also have one old home made rig and  an antique one with some wooden parts on it.  2 McCormick Deering 10-20 Wheel tractors in pieces and a 10-20 track layer also.  I brought a Fairbanks Morse Z engine up with me yesterday also.

Blowing the well --- I am probably the best around on that stuff and had my own methods.  I am probably the best because I learned from the best - Henry Kozera - long gone now but he taught me a lot and I expanded on what he taught me.

The well we are going to blow out is old with very little water left in it and it also is filled with sand.  I scrounged a bunch of my old blow pipe to get enough to put a small rig together. I sold a lot of my stuff to a guy and his wife who drill now and used to work for me.

We use thin wall 3" (4 on bigger wells) pipe to the bottom.  At the bottom is a manifold tightly made with a 1" pipe turned into the side of the 3" (a check valve here a foot or so up the 1" is great to prevent sand from returning up the air line and plugging it).  

A cable from a winch with lots of cable hooks to the manifold to support the pipe.  It is lowered into the well and joints screwed on until it reaches the surface plus 5 feet or so.  It is important not to stick it in the mud and plug it.  We will have a 185 cfm compressor hooked to the small line and an elbow on the big one to direct the flow.  

This will dredge the sand from the bottom as we blow it out and add on 5' increments of pipe.  This is called surging and air lift pumping.  As the water gets clean you shut off the air - build it up in the tank then turn it on and shake up the well.  

The well we are trying to repair is old and we may destroy trying to repair it, but there is no real loss as it is almost out of water and the only other option is to drill a new one.  The casing is old - it may cave in.  Not as likely with double pipe.  We could blow straight up the casing but much more chance of destroying it and we don't at this point have enough submergence to get it to the top.  As we clean it out that could change but we will decide on that if conditions warrant.  We could plug the 3" and send the air and water up the casing.

As submergence gets to be 1 to 1, you get about 1 gpm per cfm of air still limited by conditions, and at 2 to 1 you get 2 gpm per cfm of air.  All rule of thumb stuff varying by conditions. 

This well is going to be starting out at about 3 to 75 or 1 to 25 submergence hence the requirement for double pipe to limit casing volume and raise uphill velocity of the air to carry out the solids - sand, mud, etc.

Any thing Antique I am up for it,

John, Would you like a picture of Sassy and me? hmm
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Re: Glenn's Underground Cabin Update
« Reply #934 on: September 05, 2008, 01:35:12 AM »
Someone once said there is a difference in Antique's and just Old stuff. Hard to tell the difference sometimes.  ;D

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« Reply #935 on: September 05, 2008, 05:26:02 AM »
My drilling rigs are from the 50's but I don't so much consider them antiques as old stuff.  They are still usable with work.  The one that has the wood I consider an antique.

Sassy and I are from the 50's and still usable with work---sometimes.  I guess she is old stuff and I am just old. ::)
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« Reply #936 on: September 05, 2008, 06:01:33 AM »
My definition of old keeps getting changed from year to year for me.  What I considered old when I was young is now not that old at all. heh heh

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« Reply #937 on: September 05, 2008, 06:17:14 AM »
I know what you mean.  Some of these kids think 50's cars are old -- they seem like yesterday to me.  Heck - I still have a forklift with a Chevy 235 that I upgraded from a 216 and it doesn't look old.  Old is my 1919 Dodge and 1926 Dodge. 

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« Reply #938 on: September 05, 2008, 07:09:11 AM »

 Youth is wasted on the young [toilet]

 50's stuff ain't old,  almost vintage , but NOT old! :)
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« Reply #939 on: September 05, 2008, 09:31:54 PM »
There you go PEG.  Still good for something. ::)
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« Reply #940 on: September 06, 2008, 05:51:26 AM »
Hey Glen,
Is this anything at all like it ?


There are, ahem, a fair few omissions....
Its just the basic floorplan worked over in Sketchup, and I'm trying to follow your notes on elevations.

How on earth your roof works, I can't imagine !

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« Reply #941 on: September 06, 2008, 06:08:09 AM »
Very much so, Steve.  The center blue section goes to 16' feet in the middle and the entry part of it is reasonably level at 12'

The roof is impossible I think.  the center blue section mentioned above rotates on a 12' axis with corners being diagonally at 8' and 16 feet.  A hyperbolic-paraboloid.



http://virtualmathmuseum.org/Surface/hyperbolic-paraboloid/hyperbolic-paraboloid.html

The lower left on the image above would meet up with the corkscrew roof that goes around and up to finish over top of the bedroom.

The light colored section, lower front stops back about 20 feet or so.  It is about 42' long over all -

The greenhouse is about 14 feet above ground to the top- the house about 16 feet below ground to the bottom with the driveway being the reference point or another way - great room 0', top of great room roof 16', top of green house 29 feet

Nice work, Steve.
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« Reply #942 on: September 06, 2008, 06:16:58 AM »

The lower left on the image above would meet up with the corkscrew roof that goes around and up to finish over top of the bedroom.

You're a sadist aren't  you ?   d*

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« Reply #943 on: September 06, 2008, 06:21:10 AM »
I'll never tell... [crz]
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« Reply #944 on: September 06, 2008, 06:28:34 AM »
I'll never tell... [crz]

Like the emoticon !
OK, now I've put the great room framing up....


Is there now an entry in front of the conversation pit bit ?

If you're OK with it, I'll open up my Sketchup account for folks to download the model ?

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« Reply #945 on: September 06, 2008, 06:39:43 AM »
There is a shortcut from the front porch door across a few feet of yard to the door and stairs leading down to the laundry in the entry area - front section of the great room.

There is currently a small fish pond on top of the conversation pit area roof but I am going to remove it soon and change the roof.  It was on a platform and raccoons got under it.  I don't know if they made the roof leak a bit there or if me shooting them made it leak.  No humans were harmed in the war on coon terror.

No problem with the model, Steve.
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« Reply #946 on: September 06, 2008, 06:43:32 AM »
The corkscrew roof on the bedroom actually goes to about 20' agl on the high side where the bedroom pops out of the ground looking toward the west.  It's about 4 feet underground and 7 1/2 feet out of the ground for a 11.5 foot ceiling on the high side - about 8' on the low side - straw bale wall on the popup and about a foot of dirt and garden on top.
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« Reply #947 on: September 06, 2008, 01:30:29 PM »
Wow Glenn, you have been busy since the last time I visited this thread.   [cool] Darn dial up connection just wears out loading all of the pictures. I used to think I was a pretty good recycler but I see now I don't hold a candle.
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« Reply #948 on: September 06, 2008, 01:45:08 PM »
Thanks, des.  I know you have some good junk too though.

Now I have to get up there and do something else so I can give you something else to look at. d*
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« Reply #949 on: September 06, 2008, 01:48:21 PM »
Steve, there is a used door in front of the conversation pit to the left as you enter - $40 yard sale door w/frame, but it does not change the footprint.
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