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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2016, 04:01:21 AM »
Who is saying it's false?  What are their credentials?  This appears to be the same person that wrote that the other story was false.  This is his bio listed on the page - does not distill confidence in his work.

Dan Evon is a Chicago-based writer and longtime truth enthusiast. His work has appeared somewhere, and he earned a degree at the University of His Choosing. His exploration of Internet truth has been supported by grants from the Facebook Drug Task Force.

This link says Soros funds Snopes.  Wouldn't be a stretch to believe it.

http://www.realtruenews.org/single-post/2016/06/20/SNOPESCOM-Paid-Liars-Truth-Suppression

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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #52 on: October 03, 2016, 05:19:27 AM »
Who is saying it's false?  What are their credentials?  This appears to be the same person that wrote that the other story was false.  This is his bio listed on the page - does not distill confidence in his work.

Dan Evon is a Chicago-based writer and longtime truth enthusiast. His work has appeared somewhere, and he earned a degree at the University of His Choosing. His exploration of Internet truth has been supported by grants from the Facebook Drug Task Force.

This link says Soros funds Snopes.  Wouldn't be a stretch to believe it.

http://www.realtruenews.org/single-post/2016/06/20/SNOPESCOM-Paid-Liars-Truth-Suppression

Here's the original article posted a year and a half ago covering the general election in Birmingham, England. The images are from that article.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/election-2015-polling-day-birmingham-9197585

It's been my experience that Snoops has been far more accurate than not.


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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #53 on: October 03, 2016, 10:14:04 AM »
Looking at the photos it seems obvious the Clinton ballot box story is a hoax. It's nice to see that found as the printing on the boxes in the purported proof looked off, did not have the correct perspective or slant and I am short on time to look much myself.

The Soros , Snopes story popped up years ago and has never been proven. FWIW it was probably pushed on us by some of the same types who pushed the ballot box story as truth.

I doubt this topic will sway any of the (R) or for that matter any the (D) votes.
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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #54 on: October 03, 2016, 01:06:28 PM »
I'm sort of surprised some less offensive candidate hasn't stumbled in late asking for our vote, someone who can identify Aleppo and at least one world leader  ::).
They would avoid the primary problem, avoid debates, just offer themselves as a rational alternative.
 After the majority of us ponder our options, they would stand a good chance  :D.


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« Reply #55 on: October 03, 2016, 01:40:18 PM »
I'm sort of surprised some less offensive candidate hasn't stumbled in late asking for our vote, someone who can identify Aleppo and at least one world leader  ::).
They would avoid the primary problem, avoid debates, just offer themselves as a rational alternative.
 After the majority of us ponder our options, they would stand a good chance  :D.

There are deadlines with the FCC and deadlines to get on state ballots that have come and gone.

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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #56 on: October 03, 2016, 02:19:34 PM »
A write in is not counted?


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« Reply #57 on: October 03, 2016, 02:37:12 PM »
A write in is not counted?

Not in all states.

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_presidential_candidates

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An individual can run as a write-in candidate. In 34 states, a write-in candidate must file some paperwork in advance of the election. In nine states, write-in voting for presidential candidates is not permitted. The remaining states do not require write-in candidates to file paperwork in advance of the election.

Also, with all but two states being winner take all a write in candidate has about a zero percent chance of receiving any electoral college votes.

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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #58 on: October 03, 2016, 03:16:05 PM »
Now NY attorney general has told the Trump Foundation to cease fundraising. Called it "a continuing fraud upon the people of the state of New York."

This is crazy. I was giving Trump a chance before the first debate. Even ardent supporters are at the end of the book trying to explain why he did so poorly.

Looks like the Clinton's are headed back to the white house. A real shame... those leaked DNC emails explicitly showed the establishment did whatever they could to stop Sanders. I think this country could use a little populism.


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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #59 on: October 03, 2016, 03:21:43 PM »
Well if Hillary can sway the Nations Attorney General what is to say that maybe a little more sway was directed to NY.  Just saying. ;)  Maybe he just wanted to wake up on the green side of the grass.   ;D

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« Reply #60 on: October 03, 2016, 03:26:58 PM »
Who knows... no question the NY attorney general has political motivations. Maybe he's just found a technicality.

24/7 media coverage has done a good job of polarizing the country.


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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #61 on: October 03, 2016, 04:10:37 PM »
How sad is it that each candidates most redeeming value is they aren't the other candidate.

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« Reply #62 on: October 04, 2016, 03:31:19 AM »
No doubt in my mind the AG decision is political.  Just as the one not to stop the Clinton Foundation is.

Real Clear Politics shows Clinton up almost across the board but remember the Brexit vote.

When they call me I hang up.  I have no interest in sharing my views with pollsters.  So, who knows.

I'm an 'Anybody but Clinton' Libertarian who won't vote for Johnson because 1:  he isn't a libertarian by any real stretch 2:  the American people won't support him.

I believe the Libertarian Party fails because they want to.  They just don't bother to ever mount a serious threat because they put goofballs up who aren't even real Libertarians.  Being a Libertarian doesn't mean you aren't serious, aren't polished, aren't professional etc but they keep putting up people who do stupid things but raise money.  What they need is a very serious, maybe Jefferson like, candidate who espouses Constitutional Libertarianism and is a class act professional but not a politician.  I think they'd win then.

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« Reply #63 on: October 04, 2016, 03:56:31 AM »
After listening to them a few times I think that ticket would have been stronger as Weld/Johnson and not Johnson/Weld.


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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #64 on: October 16, 2016, 03:01:38 AM »
This thread seems to have died, seeing as the mainstream media has pretty much called the election in favor of Hillary. Too bad, it's been a fun discussion. It's not so funny now, though, considering where we are so close to the election. I saw a joke the other day: 'Trump and Hillary are stranded on a boat in the middle of the ocean- Who survives? America. America survives.'

I blame the media for the Trump phenomena. Week after week, he was the lead story on Meet The press, despite all of the other candidates. They couldn't stop talking about him, and here we are.

I've been pretty pessimistic about the future of America for some years now, and it only seems to be getting worse. Regardless of your political viewpoint, I think it's healthy to have a change in power once in a while; the pendulum swings the other way to even out the excesses of the outgoing party. After two terms of Obama, though, we are now heading into a similar Hillary era. Unless her health gives out, she'll likely go two terms as well. There's simply too much support for the progressive/ socialist agenda. With liberal Supreme Court justices being the result, the SC will no longer be politically balanced. We'll become like Europe, with outrageous taxes and a nanny state mind set.

I try to stay politically neutral, but it's no secret that I'm not much in favor of bigger and bigger government, more and more rules and regulations. Today's entitlement mentality says, "let the government pay for everything." with little thought as to where the money actually comes from. As more and more people get in the 'life boat', it settles deeper and deeper into the water until we all drown.

I really haven't decided what I will do on Election Day. Write in? Stay home? Organize a protest? Just vote for the under ballot? Hmmm...
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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #65 on: October 16, 2016, 03:56:32 AM »
I feel that this election is only about one thing, the Supreme Court. All it takes is 1 or 2 liberal minded, activist judges to be appointed and life as we know it will decline faster than the last 8 years have, we know the spineless establishment will not stand up against the appointments.
If everyone will just give a few minutes of thought about their children and grandchildren, there is no choice to make.

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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #66 on: October 16, 2016, 07:34:34 AM »
I've got no say or opinion, but these Facebook videos always seem to point to Trump as being evil and they are fun to watch, probably because I am not personally offended by any of it...




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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #67 on: October 16, 2016, 01:41:55 PM »
SCOTUS is the key today, the only thing I see as mattering.

And we're going to lose it.

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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #68 on: October 29, 2016, 05:21:53 AM »
and the Hillary hits keep coming.  FBI email probe reopened.  i still say that she got the 1st debate questions ahead of time based on her responses.  another video surfaced of a reporter (Andrea Mitchell - wife of Alan Greenspan) asking her a question which was texted to her by a Clinton staffer.  and Obama is out praising Obamacare which is set to increase rates between 25%-110% next year, while simultaneously trying to start a war with Russia.  Hillary would put through the largest tax increase in American history, work to dilute the constitution, push for more illegal immigration and 500% more (potentially dangerous) refugees.  Govt. workers make on average 16% more than private sector workers doing the same job.  different rules and laws for them vs. us.  that's just a small sample of a corrupt politician and political system that places their interests above those of the American people.  this really is the most important election of my lifetime and we better get it right or our country is toast.   

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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #69 on: October 30, 2016, 03:35:10 AM »
...we better get it right or our country is toast.   

Considering your only two options, is there really a right?  Corruption versus nuclear fallout if someone happens to tweet something rude. 
I've tried watching the debates... I have yet to see any real thought provoking ideas, its all been schoolyard insults and bullying... far from anyone would expect of a president of the most powerful country on the planet.  I really can't believe how the US has gotten itself into this mess...

Funny how the movies predicted this years ago:


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« Reply #70 on: October 30, 2016, 07:41:33 AM »
...its all been schoolyard insults and bullying... far from anyone would expect of a president of the most powerful country on the planet.

Actually, if one studies history they would discover that US Politics has been this way as far back as at the founding of the nation:

“That bastard brat of a Scottish peddler! His ambition, his restlessness and all his grandiose schemes come, I'm convinced, from a superabundance of secretions, which he couldn't find enough whores to absorb!” John Adams about Alexander Hamilton

Jefferson called John Adams a 'blind, bald, crippled toothless man who is a hideous hermaphroditic character with neither the force and fitness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.'

Heck even Lincoln said this about an opponent:   'The trouble with [General Joseph] Hooker is that he's got his headquarters where his hindquarters ought to be.'

and that's nothing!  Back then the papers were all owned by the political types (which was really everyone) and very partisan.  Papers actually attacked each other ruthlessly.

Frankly, Trump acts far more like the founders than phony politicians of today and one could argue that it was that rude talk that formed this great nation.

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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #71 on: October 30, 2016, 06:44:20 PM »
That's true... 

Don't forget who us Canadian's have as reference... 



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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #72 on: October 31, 2016, 05:03:59 AM »
We, or at least I, did not hear much about him down here in the SW USA.  Did he not rush to Fort McMurray and was criticized for not being on the scene??  Or did he rush there and was criticized?? 
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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #73 on: October 31, 2016, 10:26:55 AM »
i still say that she got the 1st debate questions ahead of time based on her responses.

This was fortuitous. The latest round of wikileaks emails showed that the new head of the DNC was forwarding debate questions to the Clinton campaign.

The previous head of the DNC (now officially part of the Clinton camp) had to resign for colluding with the Clinton campaign to beat Sanders.

Seems like hard evidence that Clinton was and is willing to undermine democracy in order to become president.

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Re: Trump or Hillary ?
« Reply #74 on: October 31, 2016, 12:27:51 PM »
We, or at least I, did not hear much about him down here in the SW USA.  Did he not rush to Fort McMurray and was criticized for not being on the scene??  Or did he rush there and was criticized??

That's a conversation for another thread.  It was more meant for Canadian's to get a laugh out of.  Let's just say that he's more about "looking cool" and getting selfie's with heads of state rather than actually getting any governing done, but the people seem to love him anyways.  We're just too easy going eh.


 

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