Simmons - talked too much about the BP Gulf disaster -

[glenn kangiser]

I think this was his last interview before he so stupidly drowned in his hottub.

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2010/7/17_Matt_Simmons_files/Matt%20Simmons%207%3A17%3A2010.mp3

Shouldn't talk too much about disasters.... shouldn't be right most of the time...... shouldn't use your hot tub if you have that generic heart attack problem.

I guess this is what happens if you take on big business backed by big gov.

Matt Simmons was the one making the most credible noise against BP.  I differed with him on the wisdom of using a nuke on this broken up mess but Others in the world agreed with him.

http://www.wlbz2.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=123586&catid=3

Guess he won't spew his opinions and make bad publicity about the coverup in the gulf now, eh?

[Windpower]

Apparently Simmons was correct
This guy tracked down the Bp Lease agreements (downloaded the PDF files) for the TWO wells BP drilled

Check out the coordinates --- Bp was showing you the "A" well they had already shut down and capped long before the blowout of the "B" well


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPhPvQot4o8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbry0D2RFbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDO4KNm1GPM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fobsqXyz1rQ



Oh, and Bp still is telling the FAA what to do since the TFR (Temporary Flight Restriction) is still in effect over "their" ocean


"Nothing you are allowed to see here, move along"

[glenn kangiser]

This stinks like the rotting fish in the oil poisoned gulf.

Since BP controls what is seen below the surface with their cameras, then possibly the well is still spewing and even if it isn't I have read that there are new oil spewing cracks all over the place.

A reporter/friend I followed reporting from inside Iraq and met at Yosemite, is now reporting on the Gulf disaster.  He is not owned by the government or the oil companies.

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/out-of-sight-out-of-mind-even-when-it%E2%80%99s-not-out-of-sight#more-1946

[glenn kangiser]

New  Dahr's Truthout report.

http://www.truth-out.org/gulf-coast-fishermen-challenge-us-government-over-dispersants62183

[glenn kangiser]

From the above report...

Birren also told Truthout that fishermen she knows, who are speaking out against BP dispersant practices, "are getting death threats and notes on their cars saying you better watch out, because there are people above us who want to keep this quiet. But I know entire families who are sick because of the dispersants."

Death threats ...

Simmons drowns in his hot tub..... sure......

[glenn kangiser]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gq5CYjC3tD5i_DILqZ0Wg2QJx5gAD9HGFJN82
Rense says " Simmons "accidentally drowned" in hot tub (murder)"

Also - why he was put away....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We0giwqnTt8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsSED-RaIDU&feature=related

[IronRanger]

"Feds CONFISCATE independent LSU scientists' samples because project not approved by BP, others"

Linda Hooper-Bui, Louisiana State University Department of Entomology Associate Professor, writes in The Scientist, "My PhD student's ant samples were taken away  by a US Fish and Wildlife officer at a publicly accessible state Wildlife Management Area because our project hadn't been approved by Incident Command."

What is the Incident Command? Hooper-Bui continues, "[It's] also called the Deepwater Horizon Response Unified Command — which is a joint program of BP and federal agencies, such as the Coast Guard..."

She shares another similar experience, "Where our research trip was halted after driving more than 150 miles to a study site. On the way to our sampling sites in Grand Isle, LA, [we] were turned away by a sheriff's deputy blocking the road who said that he was told to allow no one who wasn't associated with BP or NRDA." The NRDA (National Resource Damage Assessment) process "is overseen by state, tribal and federal science agencies and is partially funded by BP."

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/feds-confiscate-independent-lsu-scientists-samples-because-project-not-approved-by-bp-others

[glenn kangiser]

Government must protect the politicians investments.

Sickness spreads and people are afraid to talk about it for fear of losing their jobs.

http://worldvisionportal.org/wvpforum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=940

Even if the hole is plugged it is likely as Simmons said before they silenced him.  The fractures around the well bore are not stoppable.

Look for a big unforeseen disaster soon or a slow long term insidious one in the near future.

[glenn kangiser]

From above link

NO END IN SIGHT

The oil and gas from the Biloxi Dome area has not stopped flowing. It's an oil exploration well which blew out on or about February 13, 2010 so severely that it deposited the Blow Out Preventer (BOP) and the steel well casing hundreds of yards away on the ocean floor. There is nothing there to cap or abate the oil flow with. It's an open hole that is nothing less than an oil, gas and tar volcano. While a certain leaking BP well may have been capped seven miles northeast of the Biloxi Dome area, an already large underwater lake of oil at an approximate 3,000 foot depth is rapidly growing each hour. It's estimated 9 mile length in May 2010 is surely dwarfed in size now.

Don't be fooled by the lack of surface oil being reported by the mainstream media shills and BP. Corexit hides what is beneath and Corexit is more toxic than crude oil itself. The only people denying the existence of the underwater plumes are the people at BP. And they offer no evidence to contradict the extremely solid evidence provided by four universities, including LSU, of the existence of these huge underwater plumes of oil.

[muldoon]

I worked for bp for 8 years.  I turned in notice last week and yesterday was my last day.

I absolutely detest conspiracy theories.  but this whole thing stinks like hell.  My mind is still not made entirely up on the simmons claim, and I dont agree with the oil volcano/tsunami thing (as the physics and math dont work), but my sense of right and wrong says bp should be seized and people involved prosecuted.  I do not believe bp to be innocent on anything in this clustermug. 

I have no love for bp these days. 

[waggin]

I see dead critters.

Two links worth watching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1txqDQpcoA&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvd-rpvOQVQ&feature=player_embedded

Note that one is from Faux News and one is from the pervasive liberal media (MSNBC).  Crap, they agree on something!  That should get the ideologues' undies in a bundle...on both sides.  Amazing, the suppression of images and lack of access to contaminated areas that is being enforced.  This ties into the no-fly zone mention above.  Now why exactly is this enforced secrecy necessary?  The way this entire clusterf***tastrophe has been handled tells me very clearly that the extent of this leak and the impacts that will likely result will be disastrous for a long time to come.

[glenn kangiser]

I don't see that much conspiracy theory here, muldoon.  I see a big coverup... the threats have been reported by others.

I am a well driller and geologic conditions are similar in water - just not as deep.  What Simmons said made complete sense and his death at this time is way too much for a simple coincidence.  He had a big audience, people were listening and he was saying things the government and their partner BP did not want publicized.

Reporting by non-mainstream media says there is still oil and it is being sunk with dispersant as well as showing up in bigger quantities than in the past.  I do not believe our politicians or oil companies or mainstream news reports.

Drilling in a fault zone in a very fractured formation can cause a flow outside of the casing especially with all of the blunders they admit to making.  The pressure from below is enough to hydrofrac*   the ground clear to the top and possibly for miles under the sea floor eventually making its way through in tons of places.  The annulus around the casing was drilled oversize then casing inserted.  Faulty sealing with concrete would allow the flow into the fractured formation getting worse and worse until it blows out under the gulf in multiple places - continuous uncontrollable flows pressured from below.  Sealing with concrete is an inexact science at best without all of the blunders and admitted problems of the well from hell.

*Hydrofrac (hydraulically fracture the formation - usually done with high pressure from above, but in this case it is pressurized from below with enough pressure to create a gigantic piston contained only by sea water and soil pressure).  Fractures will develop in the gulf floor increasingly flowing oil even if the broken well is cemented at the top.  The plugging and sealing we all watch as they declared it a success is all smoke and mirrors to distract the public.  I agree with Simmons in that it is still going full speed ahead under the sea floor in the formation outside of the casing.  I agree that there is no way to fix it.

Simmons wanted the nuke option.  I feel that could open the whole thing up rather than stop it.

No need for prohibitions and a news blackout if there is not a problem.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/10/scientists-bp-gag

[glenn kangiser]

Update from Dahr.

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=52471    Dispersants causing health problems.

As for Mastler's physical reaction to his exposure, Hugh Kaufman, an EPA whistleblower and analyst, has reported this of the effects of the toxic dispersants:

"We have dolphins that are hemorrhaging. People who work near it are hemorrhaging internally. And that's what dispersants are supposed to do...And, for example, in the Exxon Valdez case, people who worked with dispersants, most of them are dead now. The average death age is around 50. It's very dangerous, and it's an... economic protector of BP, not an environmental protector of the public."

[Windpower]

Here's a youtube of the Russian nuclear solution to a natural gas fire



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPNQoTlacU


Not saying I agree that this is the solution ..........

[glenn kangiser]

Cool video.  I had read that they had done it in the past.  Iran claims the same and offered to help us.

Only problem I see is that the formation around the BP well is so fractured  I wonder if there is a possibility of making it much worse?

[ScottA]

If they do nuke it I doubt they'll tell anyone.

[waggin]

If they do nuke it I doubt they'll tell anyone.

When all seismometers in the SE US are shut down coincidentally at the same time for "maintenance", but have armed guards posted around them, that will be clue #1.

[glenn kangiser]

BP Update from Dahr Jamail

The news the media is not telling for the most part.

http://www.truth-out.org/how-has-it-come-this62558

[IronRanger]

Dead-Missing-Jailed BP WHISTLEBLOWERS

http://bpwhistleblowers.blogspot.com/

[glenn kangiser]

Some of our International students were not aware that this is a regular practice here in the states, just as in their countries. 

We just hide it better and most of us refuse to look.

[rwanders]

   I'm confused------are BP and the numerous local, state and federal agencies involved in this stew of facts, alleged facts, unsupported assertions,speculations and wild guesses incompetent bumblers or are they all part of an incredibly complex and masterful conspiracy involving thousands of people who have never been able to pull off this kind of scheme successfully or to keep their attempts secret in the past?

Are the "whistleblowers" and conspiracy bloggers cited as the only ones who know the "true story" heroic unbiased public servants or are they serial rumor mongers seeking to either make a few bucks, hoping to achieve their 15 minutes of fame or just scratch some personal psychological itch?

And most of all, I'm really curious how those masterful conspirators plan to "hide" a nuclear explosion in the Gulf of Mexico.

One more small point: The list of persons deceased who had some level of connection with the incident or subsequent spill containment efforts is seemingly provided implying that they were probably silenced by those incompetent/supercompetent agencies and BP. Should we assume that all the police and medical personnel involved in their deaths are all part of the vast conspiracy?

After much thought, it seems to me that we are certainly being asked to suspend our common sense and intellectual abilities, not by BP and the "government", but by the conspiracy theorists and the bloggers whose assertions they so easily accept.  I do agree that BP and the agencies often made statements and assertions they could not really support----more likely the result of garden variety misinformation, human errors and some wishful thinking and hyping by the media rather than by a BP/government conspiracy.

We are all entitled to our opinions but, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof and I have not seen any real evidence of a "conspiracy"-----plenty of evidence for plain old incompetence does appear to be available however.     

[glenn kangiser]

Actually it's all exactly as it appears to be on the surface... we just like to point out odd coincidences.

[muldoon]

rwanders. 

I live on the gulf coast.  I actually worked for BP for 8 years.  My Uncle Jimmy worked in the Texas City refinery for 42 years as Amoco and then BP.  He was a pipefitter and volunteer firefighter.  He served on the plant fire department for over 30 years.  He worked the BP Texas City refinery explosion and did the horrible things needed that day a few years ago.  He retired a few years after that.  BP asked him to come back to work to help with the cleanup.  He worked in several locations.  He went from lineman to senior supervisor in Mississipi over lines.  He told his boss something unkind and was fired in the middle of it because he refused to do the wrong thing.  They hired him back three days later and he got the fun of firing the guy who fired him.  I have more respect for my Uncle than just anyone else I know.  He still stands by BP and defends them when the subject comes up. 

I personally quit BP about 6 months ago.  They are a global fortune 4 company, and with that, yes they do make calculated decisions.  I personally decided that I would not be party to the decisions that I was being asked to hand down because of the effects on the people I had working for me.  BP is very much calculated, very much 100% driven by bottem line, very much capable of any "bad" thing that may be applicable to them.  To some extent, I do understand.  However, I decided life had other options and I moved on. 

Balancing all things out.  I do not think BP has a vast conspiracy going on.  I do think that people somewhere made bad choices, and then hid things, or tried to spin it, or tried to have law enforcement protect their interests.  I do believe that fundamentally BP is a broken company that has no moral compass.  But at the same time I think there are many many good people who stepped up to do the right thing.  People who would not bury secrets, who had something to say and they said it.  They are alive and breathing today.  I personally deer hunt every year with 4 or 5 of them.  These are people who had leadership roles in the cleanup and the delivery of the cleanup and claims process sites. 

As for the folks in that webpage, I dunno.  Personally I think Matt Simmons went off the rails years ago.  I have never heard much about the rest of them.  (And while I may or may not be a fan of Ted Stevens, I think the idea of his death as related is a hell of a stretch). 

[considerations]

 I'm confused------are BP and the numerous local, state and federal agencies involved in this stew of facts, alleged facts, unsupported assertions,speculations and wild guesses incompetent bumblers or are they all part of an incredibly complex and masterful conspiracy involving thousands of people who have never been able to pull off this kind of scheme successfully or to keep their attempts secret in the past?

Are the "whistleblowers" and conspiracy bloggers cited as the only ones who know the "true story" heroic unbiased public servants or are they serial rumor mongers seeking to either make a few bucks, hoping to achieve their 15 minutes of fame or just scratch some personal psychological itch?

And most of all, I'm really curious how those masterful conspirators plan to "hide" a nuclear explosion in the Gulf of Mexico.

One more small point: The list of persons deceased who had some level of connection with the incident or subsequent spill containment efforts is seemingly provided implying that they were probably silenced by those incompetent/supercompetent agencies and BP. Should we assume that all the police and medical personnel involved in their deaths are all part of the vast conspiracy?

After much thought, it seems to me that we are certainly being asked to suspend our common sense and intellectual abilities, not by BP and the "government", but by the conspiracy theorists and the bloggers whose assertions they so easily accept.  I do agree that BP and the agencies often made statements and assertions they could not really support----more likely the result of garden variety misinformation, human errors and some wishful thinking and hyping by the media rather than by a BP/government conspiracy.

We are all entitled to our opinions but, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof and I have not seen any real evidence of a "conspiracy"-----plenty of evidence for plain old incompetence does appear to be available however.    

I've been following the USCG Joint investigation hearings, there have been 7 sessions, the last finished up today. There are many survivors, all of whom, right down to rig floor survivors, who have been asked to testify under oath.  There are a few higher on the food chain at Transocean and BP who have pled the 5th and refused to testify, but the vast majority of them have.  There is no way you can take over 100 witnesses who were present at the event, and are from a wide spectrum of social and educational back grounds and get them all to sing the same song.  So, what information has come out at the hearings, in the aggregate, adds up to what happened.  

A forensic report just came out on 3/23 on the Blowout preventor, done by an independent 3rd party.  This is part of the USCG fact gathering process.

There are certain folk at BP and Transocean who are wanting to and probably trying to cover up what they can....and although the last 2 sets of hearings have been videod, those vids have not been made available to the public as yet.  This is unusual, and I was just starting to weigh the benefit of filing an FOIA request to get them against coming up on the radar to do so.

Maybe the report on the blowout preventer, or something revealed between December 2010 and now has caused the USCG to drag their feet with publishing the last 2 sets of hearings. Up to that point, getting information was no problem.  

However, the genie is out of the bottle with this one, if you choose to plow through the massive collection of documents, testimony, and other evidence available to date.  

No conspiracy in my view, just a massively horrible material manifestation of management riding for the quarterly earnings reports rather than taking a breath and considering the consequences of the odds tipping against them.  

If there is going to be a cover up, the Feds will be in on it, hoping that no one besides the attorneys will be digging through all the data and writing media articles about it.

After all, its been almost a year, people forget quickly.   When is the last time you saw a newspaper article on the investigation?....nope just a short clip a few days ago because of the upcoming first anniversary.

[rwanders]

   Muldoon & Considerations;

Thank you for your thoughtful and measured response to my post on this subject. I agree in large part with you. I am somewhat confident that the ongoing investigation will identify most of the root and contributing causes of the original incident and perhaps at least some of the facts around the response. I am also confident that some of the managers and executives, both private and governmental, will evade full accountability.  Unfortunately, that is the way of the world. Some will also be quietly relieved of their positions without public notice---also the way of the world. Of course some will become scapegoats to help balance the final result----always a popular choice to tidy the record.

It seldom requires some grand conspiracy to cause bad incidents and the too-often efforts to evade accountability by individuals or organizations. The instinct for self preservation is present in all of us, including corporations and governments.