FOX News Gets It Right

[IronRanger]

...finally.  I used to be a huge FOX News fan, but after 9/11 and the BS they started pushing, I quit watching it.

Here's a clip from Judge Napolitano:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQsBoYRE-WM&

[Sassy]

He seems pretty savvy - I happened to run across him on Youtube - the videos I watched were excellent.  I used to think Fox news was good, like you, but shortly after the time you mentioned, I also couldn't handle all the propaganda.

[Pox Eclipse]

It's a shame he, like most mainstream conservatives , didn't get religion about the perfidy of the federal government until the Democrats took over.

[NM_Shooter]

As though the liberal media (the other 99.9%) doesn't practice rampant bias in reporting.  The day Juan Williams owns up to his own hypocrisy will be the day I start to cut them some slack.

[IronRanger]

As though the liberal media (the other 99.9%) doesn't practice rampant bias in reporting.

If one's liberal-minded, one will have a liberal bias and same-same.  Aside from that, the grab for ratings and keeping them is what keeps "liberal" shows on-air.  Consumers demand it, so do advertisers and there's your liberal bias. 

IMO, FOX turned in to an outlet for Nazi-type propaganda.  However, the propaganda push is owned by both parties: 

http://www.projectcensored.org/censorship/corporate-media-ownership/

1.  Personally, I think the consolidation of media outlets is a violation of Freedom of the Press. 

2.  I could give a flying **** about Paris Hilton's latest upskirt or Mel Gibson's voice messages.

3.  The press outside our country does a better job of reporting our news. 

[dug]

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As though the liberal media (the other 99.9%) doesn't practice rampant bias in reporting.

I hear that notion tossed around a lot but fail to understand it when the FOX viewing audience exceeds CNN, MSNBC, and HLN combined. If you usually abstain from these sources, and I usually do, and then accidentally (or just for kicks) tune in they really do sound like blatant propaganda. Especially Fox, which you have to listen to for awhile to get pissed enough numb yourself to the onslaught of misinformation and lies. They repeatedly repeat things, a proven brainwashing technique. Usually things like hate, fear, terror, Nazi- liberals, terrorism, fear, hate, etc.

The bleaker trend in my view is the polarization of viewing audiences. In times past Walter Cronkite was the news, whether you be republican or the other party. These days a vast majority of FOX viewers are decidedly republican, and the other major "news" outlets the opposite.

I see this as bad for the country, and more importantly bad for the people (you and me) in this country. I believe if you could somehow unplug everyone from all major media "news" sources for maybe five or ten years, sufficiently long enough to forget, that folks who in previous times would not even converse would find themselves having a lot more in common than they could have imagined.

[IronRanger]

I hear that notion tossed around a lot but fail to understand it when the FOX viewing audience exceeds CNN, MSNBC, and HLN combined.

People are angry;  Glenn Beck throws in feelings of religion and cries about it.  Rush Limbaugh (whom I viewed, ahem, religiously when I was younger) is a hypocritical gas bag.  Sarah Palin is female-which is enough for too many to say "Hey look!  She's good-looking and on TV", yet many conservatives will defend her because she's "on their team". 

The thing that gets me is the notion that liberals are all about feelings.  How about one's feeling of patriotism or  religion?  Most people haven't truly thought about either, but their feelings exist and they "go with their gut".

People bloviate about freedom, then say my right to criticize my government, especially criminal cops, is "probably" a freedom of speech issue.  Then, the very same people, corral protestors off-to-the-side in a caged area.  Or, lock people up for videotaping the police performing their public duties.  In Sweden (I'm trying to find the video), when the public record the police, the police acknowledge that right- one officer even started dancing for the video.

I could go on and on.  I grabbed my bug-out bag from the conservative camp a while ago.  I believe in the Constitution.  We've had religion to guide us for centuries, not until the Constitution did we have a mandate to guarantee those rights.  People need to remember that. 

[considerations]

Used to be the 'Cronkites' of this nation reported the news.  

Now all you get is the reporter's interpretation of the news.  I ignore all but the headlines and if something sparks my interest I do my own investigation.  When I get the facts then I make my own decision.  Survival tactics.

The news industry has gone bonkers. I think the main problem is the 24 hour 7 day a week news cycle.How could one fill that time except with "verbal blogging".  No wonder most of it is fecal.    

Really, one has to ask oneself, how many of those polarized screamers actually acts that way 24/7 or believes their own hype?  I bet at the end of the day most of them head straight for the bank - laughing at their own audience for being such fervent followers.

[IronRanger]

They repeatedly repeat things, a proven brainwashing technique. Usually things like hate, fear, terror, Nazi- liberals, terrorism, fear, hate, etc.

Yep.  They also use NLP techniques.  Also, repeatedly, they've been caught reporting straight lies- and they knew it.

Really, one has to ask oneself, how many of those polarized screamers actually acts that way 24/7 or believes their own hype?  I bet at the end of the day most of them head straight for the bank - laughing at their own audience for being such fervent followers.

"Glenn Beck's gold-gate problem"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts1022

For some time Beck  critics have cried foul over his relationship with Goldline International, a precious metals vendor that features the TV and radio host's endorsement prominently on their website. Critics charge that Beck is guilty of misleading his audience by often advising them to purchase gold  in advance of the potential collapse of the value of the dollar on the world currency market, without disclosing that he is in fact a "paid spokesman" for Goldline. Beck's on-air promotion of gold, which includes advising viewers to construct "fruit cellars" and to rely on a "three G system" of "God, Gold, and Guns" in the event of America's collapse, dates back to his time as a host for CNN Headline News...

Glenn Beck also regularly talks up gold on his nationally syndicated radio show, where he often endorses Goldline during live commercial segments. Additionally, Beck has had the company's CEO on as a guest. Advertisements for Goldline are also featured prominently on Beck's own website, where he recently promoted gold in an audio clip warning of an apocalyptic future:

When the system eventually collapses, and the government comes with guns and confiscates, you know, everything in your home and all your possessions, and then you fight off the raving mad cannibalistic crowds that Ted Turner talked about, don't come crying to me. I told you: get gold.

Even if he truly believes he's helping people, he's helping himself most of all.

[NM_Shooter]

Especially Fox, which you have to listen to for awhile to get pissed enough numb yourself to the onslaught of misinformation and lies.

Can you provide examples of their lies?  More so than use of fabricated documents to disparage a presidential candidate?

My gripe is the "mainstream" media that completely ignores significant conservative events, such as mis-reporting on the size of Tea Party events, protests against the administration, very little coverage of the overwhelming opposition to "health" care reform, and successes in the middle east. 

If Fox exceeds ratings for all other media stations combined, then where does the support for all those other stations come from?  Same with conservative vs liberal radio.  One has to look no further than that buffoon Baldwin to see that liberal radio doesn't work. 

The liberal viewpoint is illogical and hypocritical.  It is only championed by those who want to feel good.  I can think of nothing that liberals currently promote that is even remotely rational.  The lack of criticism coming from the existing media is overwhelming

[dug]

Can you provide examples of their lies?  More so than use of fabricated documents to disparage a presidential candidate?

I guess it may not be so much a case as out and out lies as it is presenting selected facts and omitting any pertinent information that may adversely effect "their" spin on the story, exactly the same as the other networks do! "We report- (our selected facts) You Decide! (based on the information we provided you)

I must admit I sometimes lump Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. in with the actual Fox newscast but it gets hard to separate them the way they blend them all together.

The liberal viewpoint is illogical and hypocritical.  It is only championed by those who want to feel good.  I can think of nothing that liberals currently promote that is even remotely rational.  The lack of criticism coming from the existing media is overwhelming

I feel this is the sort of view that just needlessly adds to the polarization of the American people. To say that the liberal viewpoint is illogical and hypocritical and championed only by people who want to feel good paints a lot of good folks with a broad stroke.

I am NOT a liberal (used to be) but usually get tagged as one. I don't know if its just because I'm kind of easy going or maybe a little on the hippie side. Probably both. A lot of people will treat you one way or another, based on nothing other than what "side" they perceive you to be on.

If I could believe what they (politicians) are saying then there are issues supported in both camps I could go along with. I may be wrong, but taxing the very wealthy a bit more doesn't seem like a  bad way to supplement our sagging debt, seems the least they could do to give a little back to the country that enabled their wealth. Like I said I might be wrong but I don't think that makes me irrational or illogical, or a communist, but then I don't believe in trickle down.  In most peoples minds that makes me a liberal and I am automatically lumped in with all their other evils. I also like fishing, hunting, and believe there is a lot of wisdom in the constitution. Those items, among others usually get me temporarily in the republican club.

That said I don't believe any of them and think both parties (and the media) are one and the same and are purposely keeping America angry at one another. Crazy? yes. Wrong? probably. But S Holmes said "When all other options prove false, the only remaining one must be correct" (not exact quote probably, I didn't google it), and thus far that theory is the last one standing with me.

[glenn kangiser]

Occasionally they will get one right, but can't believe most of the whore press in the US.  Totally owned by big government and big business.  They mostly belong to the CFR and know their script.  Check out non-allied foreign news for a better pick of what is going on.

[NM_Shooter]

"Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that feller behind the tree".

Unfortunately, that feller behind the tree is the one who hires us.  And he is packing up his jobs and sending them to India, where he won't be taxed as much.

[glenn kangiser]

...but again, he seldom paid a lot before due to loopholes he lobbied to have to have put in the tax laws. 

The move to India is to increase the bottom line without regard for the sheeple of the United States... the commoners.

They just need cheap bodies they do not need people who believe in making a decent wage if a body will do it for pennies on the dollar.

[dug]

"Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that feller behind the tree".

Unfortunately, that feller behind the tree is the one who hires us.  And he is packing up his jobs and sending them to India, where he won't be taxed as much.

That is one theory and I have good friends who adhere religiously to it. More power to them.

I however, think there is a difference between someone getting squeezed out of one of their meals everyday and getting squeezed out of.....well, nothing. The taxes I, and others have suggested would affect only the top 2 %, basically multi- millionaires, if not billionaires. I'm not saying that it is fair in the strictest sense of the word, but it seems morally fair. I would like to think if I found myself in that 2 % I would not mind paying a little higher percentage, but that is just speculation.

History has proven that such tax structures are more effective than "trickle down" for nourishing a healthy economy.

[NM_Shooter]

Yeah, but Dug, you are not in that bracket are you?  Why do you consider it not hypocritical to endorse penalties on others that do not apply to us? 

"To each according to his need"  is pretty much the basis for liberalism.   

Glenn, of course.... that is the way that any business works, and I maintain that you also practice this on a micro-economic scale.  You shop around for the best deal, don't you?   If you could buy gas at $0.20 on the dollar, are you telling me you wouldn't shop there?  Do you own any products that are manufactured outside the US (including Ford or Chevy)?

What about the components inside the electronics you use, such as your computer?  Guaranteed that the fabs are in Singapore, India, Philippines, Taiwan, China.  By purchasing those very products you are endorsing that business model. 

It's time the US cut the crap and got an administration that was dedicated to rebuilding America. 

1:  Oust the unions.  Competitive wage earning only.
2:  Remove taxes on any new products that a company develops for a period of 5 years.
3:  No tax on startups for 3 years.
4:  Provide tax incentive relief for R&D performed in the US.
5:  Welfare as a safety net only.  Put them to work while collecting it.
6:  Free post-secondary education to US residents.
7:  An iron clad border.  Out with illegals and the nonsense that says that they provide more than they take.
8:  Further tax incentive to any company that provides training for their workers.
9:  Slash the federal and state employment to 20% of it's current size. 
10:  Expect better performance from our teachers and pay them  more based on results. 
11:  Drill for oil.  Drill hard, drill deep, drill all over. 
12:  Build nukes. 

[IronRanger]

1:  Oust the unions.  Competitive wage earning only.
2:  Remove taxes on any new products that a company develops for a period of 5 years.
3:  No tax on startups for 3 years.
4:  Provide tax incentive relief for R&D performed in the US.
5:  Welfare as a safety net only.  Put them to work while collecting it.
6:  Free post-secondary education to US residents.
7:  An iron clad border.  Out with illegals and the nonsense that says that they provide more than they take.
8:  Further tax incentive to any company that provides training for their workers.
9:  Slash the federal and state employment to 20% of it's current size.
10:  Expect better performance from our teachers and pay them  more based on results.
11:  Drill for oil.  Drill hard, drill deep, drill all over.
12:  Build nukes. 

Despite the thread drift...

1.  Oust the unions involved in small business, not corporations.  Average Joe needs a way to muscle-up.  Corporations are allowed to consolidate power, why not the American worker?

5.  I agree with the "hand-up, not hand-out" philosophy.  I see it to much on my reservation- a sense of entitlement.  It strips people's pride.

6.  Absolutely.

7.  If you're talking towering fences, guard dogs, razor wire and troops...no friggin way.  It'd morph in to controlling the population inside the borders too.  Fences work both ways.

9.  As long as there's an equal reduction in military spending, I'm all for it.  It won't only be social programs that bring this country to its knees- military spending of close to $1 trillion a year will do it. 

10.  Yes.

11.  As long as there's strict environmental adherence- I think the gulf and michigan oil spills should be enough of an argument.

12.  Nuclear power plants.

[IronRanger]

...whore press in the US.

Whore press or whole press, Glenn?   

Wouldn't want you to get chastised for a typo.   

[glenn kangiser]

Whore press, IronRanger - they sell it for money.    They spew what they are paid to spew and don't really care much about journalism... just prostitutes...selling news from the elite for money...

I used to read Skolnick Reports and he had their number pretty well.  That's what he called them.

Now I almost throwup when I watch the talking heads reporting the news - they are so disgusting and cutesy.

Frank ... in so cheap I'm off the radar...but I drive a Dodge.. partly made in Brazil and Mexico.

I understand about big business... I want to buy American and I have to because all I can afford is the stuff our companies manufacture in India, China, Taiwan, etc.

I have met a lot of the young people from the foreign countries in the Yosemite trip sponsoring. 

They are sharp, advanced and they are now what we were 20 years ago.  I don't begrudge them anything as long as they provide me with stuff cheap enough that I can afford it on my third world wages.

Annie Lin from Taiwan could not believe that I was so computer literate. She said I was just like their generation.  She is now working in Shanghai.  My point is that while we underestimate the rest of the world, our jobs go there and we are really unnecessary.  Our corporations know that even if we don't want to believe it. 

The people in these other countries are more advanced than us, they do it cheaper and our corporations will not be back to give us work until we are cheaper than the rest of the world. 

The only way for us to get jobs is to be poor enough to actually want them and be willing to work for them.  Government will see to it that we are converted to a third world so we can get jobs again in the future ... or possibly get rid of us.....weed us out ..starve us down so our only option will be to join their military to survive.  It is a global economy and we have become insignificant.

[NM_Shooter]

I'll push this drift some more!

The only way for us to get jobs is to be poor enough to actually want them and be willing to work for them. 

That's the crux of it right there.  As long as Bubba can sit on his couch and watch his big screen TV he really doesn't care.  He gets welfare, food stamps, disability, aid from his church, floats purchases on his credit card, and moves when the rent catches up to him.  His union hires him to go picket outside of businesses that might have had the gall to hire construction labor for a competitive wage.  He votes democrat in order to get "free" health care / other social benefits, and has no desire to be competitive in his skills or a global economy. 

And socialism / liberalism is pushing this right along.  Yeah!  Let's tax the rich.  That will fix this mess!

These folks are sucking the flesh off of the carrion that was previously the US economy. 

Jobs, just like anything else valuable, are a limited resource.  Previously, we were in a exclusive club with hard to get tools and resources with which we supplied the rest of the world.  "Third" world countries now have the communication technology and the means to provide labor via the internet, and we no longer care to compete. 

I worked for a major FPGA manufacturer, and they just had two or three of their best quarters in a row.  Guess what... they are not hiring here.  They are only expanding operations in India. 

I just can't believe that we have managed to keep our noses above water this long.  Something big is going to happen within the next generation of time.  And it isn't going to be pretty.   

No, Fox news is not perfect in their work.  But it is a hell of a lot more accurate, fair, and unbiased than anything else we've got. 

The whole Rathergate / Killian documents are a perfect example.  The Couric interview series with Palin are another one.  Read her book. Even just the portion of the interview.

[Windpower]

Palin 



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKflKzmfRCw&feature=player_embedded

[NM_Shooter]

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What did she say that was newsworthy?  She was being verbally attacked by someone who didn't really have a point, and she was being civil. 

[dug]

Yeah, but Dug, you are not in that bracket are you?  Why do you consider it not hypocritical to endorse penalties on others that do not apply to us?

Presumptuous maybe, but I don't think hypocritical.

1 % of Americans own 35 % of the wealth. 20 % own 85 % of the wealth. That means 80 % of the American people, the heartbeat of America, control just 15 % of the wealth. That having wealth allows countless financial advantages is pretty much a given, but moreover wealth equals power. The more wealth, the more power. Power to influence and control government, power to control stocks and corporations, thereby influencing how society functions.

Doesn't exactly seem like a level playing field when 80% of the populous don't have much of a say about how their country is run.

I have no animosity towards the rich and do not want a dime from anyone. Young men and women volunteer their lives to defend America, and when necessary they are forced to volunteer. I can not see how assessing the very wealthy in this country a slightly higher tax rate than those less fortunate is in any way unfair or hypocritical. Not money to dump out of buckets from tall buildings to the poor, but for infrastructure, education, paying down the deficit. Restoring a healthy economy is as important to our countries defense as as the military, and as I said before it seems a small service that someone who has obtained a great amount of wealth should pay a little more to assist the country that enabled them.

A pipe dream of course, it will never happen and even if it did the money would surely go to no good. Any large society will always have few rich, and many poor. It doesn't necessarily have to have a middle class, and probably operates smoother without one. That is what worries me, losing the middle class (which has beeen steadily dwindling for some time), namely the lower to mid- middle class and the poor struggling to get there.

Sorry for the extreme thread drift. I promise to shut up about that now.

More on topic- Palin wouldn't stand a chance if there were no major media, no polls, and no hierarchy guiding things along. If all candidates had equal campaign money, only radio coverage (no judging on looks), no commentators, and no polls I think we would see very different candidates chosen.

[IronRanger]

Judge Napolitano:  "What's Wrong with these Cops?"

http://www.frequency.com/video/whats-wrong-with-these-cops/4060969

[archimedes]

Fox (Faux) News is nothing more than a mouth piece for the Republican Party.  "Fair and Balanced"?  What a joke.

Not that the other networks are gonna win any prizes but Fox has or lowered the bar of objectivity to an all time low.  They're in a league of their own - by far.

The distrubution of wealth in this country over the last thirty years has tremedously shifted to favor the rich.  And that's because they have manipulated the tax system through their control of the gov't.  Asking them to kick in a bit more,  in the form of stlightly higher taxes,  is hardly asking too much in our countries hour of need.