They're calling for it!

[Sassy]

http://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/trilateral_commission/chorus_call_for_new_world_order_20090108109/

[Pox Eclipse]

What's so scarey about the Trilateral Commission?

The Straight Dope on the Trilateral Commision:

The Trilateral Commission is based on the quintessentially American notion that if we could just get together and talk about stuff, we could solve all the world's problems.   Accordingly David Rockefeller, chairman of the Chase Manhattan bank, got together several hundred opinion leaders from North America, Western Europe, and Japan (hence the "tri-" in trilateral). They meet annually to hear speeches, participate in seminars, and exchange idle gossip. In between times the commission puts together task force reports on pertinent issues and publishes a magazine.

I don't get the alarm.  These guys have no power to take over the world.  Has the TC ever done anything to warrant the uproar?

[Dog]

A New World Order has been in the works for decades and it scares the crap out of people. It use to scare me because I was afraid that what Revelations says is true. It maybe. I don't know. I do know that human beings just can't seem to get along. On a global level it horrifying! Even though many are opposed to the idea of a World Government and for good reason, it does appear we are headed more and more in that direction. How bad can it get before that happens? I don't like to be negative but I'm a realist. It will get bad and the world will have no choice. We will be required to "take the mark" which is not an option for some people, and conform.
If you're already off the grid good for you!!!!

[muldoon]

What's so scarey about the Trilateral Commission?

The Straight Dope on the Trilateral Commision:

The Trilateral Commission is based on the quintessentially American notion that if we could just get together and talk about stuff, we could solve all the world's problems.   Accordingly David Rockefeller, chairman of the Chase Manhattan bank, got together several hundred opinion leaders from North America, Western Europe, and Japan (hence the "tri-" in trilateral). They meet annually to hear speeches, participate in seminars, and exchange idle gossip. In between times the commission puts together task force reports on pertinent issues and publishes a magazine.

I don't get the alarm.  These guys have no power to take over the world.  Has the TC ever done anything to warrant the uproar?

Warrant the uproar?  There are many many people who are quite certain that yes, the chairman of JP Morgan/Chase Bank AND director class A of the New York Federal Reserve bank, has had a direct hand in the economic destruction we are seeing now.  In fact, it is not very comforting to see him profit not only from the leadup to this disaster - but also profit handsomely from the ramifications of it. 

As for no power to take over the world, maybe not.  But circumventing congress, ignoring the constitution as it relates to the power of revenue spending -- and then threatening collapse if they are not exempted and promised the wealth of every nation on the planet.  What is your definition of taking over the world if not telling every nation on the planet exactly what to do while extracting the wealth from their citizens? 

I am not a conspiracy theory person, in fact I have outright ranted to others on this board over things.  (Sorry guys, I am .. somewhat .. opinionated).  Anyway, one could say they have no power but you could also say they have the world in their hand -- and are abusing that power daily to make the situation worse for regular people while enriching themselves. 

[Dog]

I don't see this as an uproar. Just taking notice of something. Muldoon, yes the wall street gang suck for sure. People are greedy bastards by nature. Not a nice quality in human nature. This brings us right back to world domination. Even with the Trilateral Commission, the UN the U name it, people are going to keep fighting each other for power power and wealth.   
Unfortunately sometimes the power part is the form of a religion. 
Sassy, look what you started....
Why can't the world just get along........

[Pox Eclipse]

Warrant the uproar?  There are many many people who are quite certain that yes, the chairman of JP Morgan/Chase Bank AND director class A of the New York Federal Reserve bank, has had a direct hand in the economic destruction we are seeing now.  In fact, it is not very comforting to see him profit not only from the leadup to this disaster - but also profit handsomely from the ramifications of it. 

But I don't see how the questionable ethics of one person are an indictment of everyone in the TC.  Where is the conspiracy?

[glenn kangiser]

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." J. Edgar Hoover ...

[Pox Eclipse]

So monstrous that after 35 years, they still haven't taken over the world? 

Waiting for the New World Order has become like waiting for the Second Coming; really, any day now, I'm not kidding this time!

[glenn kangiser]

They are still limited by what they can actually get away with.  The soup might be not be done but they are still stirring it.

An example would be Osbama's removal (major policy removal) of his change website after the citizens went out and bought nearly all of the guns and bullets in the US.  They seemed to realize we are not ready to accept their terms totally yet. 

Given up your guns yet? hmm

[glenn kangiser]

Their movement has been going for much more than 35 years.

Another example - their failed initial theft of the 6 nukes from Minot.  I say initial as they have made off with them since the Air Force Patriots have been permanently silenced.

[Sassy]

You just have to read quotes from world leaders about the "New World Order" to see the plan.  That's why there is a drive for an internet 2 - so that it can be controlled by the few mega corporations/gov't - just google internet 2 - lots of universities are working on it.  I think it is Comcast that is already charging for bandwidth.  The plan is to control bandwidth - charging for what you use, which will limit the regular Joe on his use, limit what sites you can access... 

The mainstream media (MSM) is losing readers/ watchers bigtime - that means loss of revenues, plus those controlling the MSM, gov't can't get by with their shenanigans as easily with alternative media - it's thrown a big monkey wrench into their plans...

Back when plans were made for the Federal Reserve at Jekyll Island for the central bank to control the money - $$$=power & control...  if we'd had the net, there'd probably have been outrage & it would have set back their plans.

Now, the $$$$$ are controlled by central banks throughout the world funneling the $$ through the Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland (a literal no-man's land unless you have permission).  The International Monetary Fund & the World Bank all work in conjunction with gov'ts.  We borrow so they have a huge interest in what policies the gov't creates - just like the biggest shareholders in a corporation have the more power & say-so on what the corporation does... 

We've had the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) started in 1921.  Then we have the Bilderbergs which was started in 1954 & the Trilateral Commission (TC) started in 1973.  Brzezinski wrote the book Between Two Ages : America's Role in the Technetronic Era  among many others - I haven't read the whole book, just several excerpts - quite an eye opener.

Rome was a world power, Great Britain boasted that the "sun never set on it's shores" as it was so massive.  Man will always try to control & there are those who think they know what is best for everyone else - they will be ruthless in order to bring to fruition their notion of the "ideal" society... 

We have moved from a Republic to a Democracy to socialism which is just a short hop to communism - then we will have the controllers ie "handlers" who will try to carry out their plans...  whose beliefs, philosophy are we to follow?  What choice will we have?  The USSR tried to kick "god" out of it's society & became  brutal, China has tried to do that, now we are following the same footsteps.  If everything is "relative" whose "truth" do we follow?  If everyone does what is right in their own eyes then there'll need to be a "controller" or society will totally breakdown.

[ScottA]

I'm not sure we'll every really see one world government but we may see one world money which is almost the same. If all the world uses the same money whom ever controlls the money will basicly controll the world.

I was trying to figure out how many different factions we have today and here's what I came up with.

N. America-Britan-Europe-Israel-Japan and their puppets. (some infighting in this group but nothing serious)
Russia and it's puppets
China and it's puppets
Middle eastern warlords
African Warlords
South American warlords

In the case of the warlords they are under endless assult by the big 3 and have been for some time.

So basicly in order to take over the world the first group will need to get control over Russia and China. I don't see this happening short of WW3.

Consider also the shear scale of trying to rule the world. All the different cultures cliamtes standards of living etc. It's too big for any one group to manage IMO. That doesn't mean someone won't try but I belive it will fail in the long run. Still might make a for a big mess though.

[muldoon]

N. America-Britan-Europe-Israel-Japan and their puppets. (some infighting in this group but nothing serious)
Russia and it's puppets
China and it's puppets
Middle eastern warlords
African Warlords
South American warlords

In the case of the warlords they are under endless assault by the big 3 and have been for some time.

So basicly in order to take over the world the first group will need to get control over Russia and China. I don't see this happening short of WW3.

Just some idle speculation here as I really have not really thought this out.  But it seems to me if ...

I wanted to tank China, I would cut off their exports.  That is nearly the entire premise for their economy. 

If I was to tank Russia and the Middle Eastern countries, I would want oil prices in the teens. 

For Africa, I would direct a few decades to sending them food so that they were dependant on me and had completely stopped taking care of themselves.  Then simply threaten to cut it off and watch them fall in line.  It worked for Haitii. 

South America is so rife with corruption and poverty that simply buying them off one at a time would work for a while. 

And America/UK -- kill the credit machine, take away their jobs and destroy any perceived wealth, they will accept anything after that. 

No army required if you let the bankers do the job.

[muldoon]

Ignore the comments on the youtube, or at least take them with a grain of salt without doing your own research.  However, watch this video and evaluate it on it's own. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inu9vKXsrFA

Walter Cronkite describes the needs and the goals for World Government. He accepts an award from a federalist lobbying group, who have openly pushed this agenda for nearly 60 years.  These goals include "convincing" sovereign nations to give up some sovereignty to the world government. "We Americans are going to have to yield some of our sovereignty. Thats going to be to many a bitter pill."   At the end Hillary congratulates him on his award and expresses her appreciation of his work.

It's unsettling, and taken in view of world events today, even more so.   

[glenn kangiser]

It continues...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CV8Xt2VWvc

[harry51]

Here's a tidbit of what we could expect from a world gov't as envisioned by those working to bring one about now:

1948. The UN General Assembly adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, a legally binding contract for all nations who, like the U.S. ratified it. It sounds good, as do all the intrusive UN human rights treaties. Article 18 upholds "the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion..." Article 19 affirms "the right to freedom of opinion and expression... and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." But Article 29 states that "these rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations."

     In other words, these "rights" or "freedoms" don't apply to those who would criticize the UN or its policies. Your rights would be conditioned on your compliance. Only if your message supports official ideology are you free to speak it. As Andrei Vishinsky wrote in The Law of the Soviet State, "There can be no place for freedom of speech, press, and so on for the foes of socialism." [Encyclopaedia Britannica (1968), Volume V, page 164.]

The unabridged Webster's has the U.N. "Constitution" in the back. It makes for interesting reading, but not just before bedtime.

Here's a link with some condensed info on the subject of a "conspiricy" to solve all our problems under a world gov't. Of course, we will have to give up a few little things.......... like our right to self-determination.

http://www.crossroad.to/Excerpts/chronologies/un.htm

[Dog]

Harry-you're so right about the Human Rights example and the UN.
America was built by self-determination.
For starters...don't give up your gun! Take a state like Massachusetts for example...good luck trying to get a LTC "A" in MA. Impossible. I thought it was our "right".  Right? Oh silly me...The cops can't even get them for personal use. That's crazy.
On another note...people seem to be accepting and some are down right rabid at the idea of getting rid of god...what happened to religious freedoms? I never interpreted that to mean freedom FROM religion. Why is this such a big deal to some people?
The times are changing. We're a young country. The best on the planet in my mind, but we're becoming vulnerable. The amount of debt we're in is unbelievable and only getting worse. We are moving more and more in the direction of Socialism in order to take care of our own. Not all are able and some are willing to take care of themselves. More big goverment.
One money someday will=One goverment...and ya...it will be complicated for sure. Probably involve a WWIII to get things under control. Look all the fighting going on all over the world right now.
We'll never know peace until man is willing to give up power.

[Jens]

Nothing truly good, or truly evil ever happens quickly, it seems.  It will be interesting to see how it pans out.  Scary, but interesting.  Many of the things Orwell wrote about in "1984", we have seen.  That is scary to me.

[Sassy]

I think Orwell, H.G. Wells, Huxley & others were in on the plans for the NWO...  it's uncanny . 

Then you take into consideration Margaret Sanger (Planned Parenthood) look at some quotes by her http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm;

"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race
(Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)  

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born."  Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

On the right of married couples to bear children:
Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932

On the purpose of birth control:
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

Watch the videos "The Century of Self" on Edward Bernaise - father of modern advertising/propaganda  video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2641575773935962254

Carroll Quigley 
The history of the last century shows, as we shall see later, that the advice given to governments by bankers, like the advice they gave to industrialists, was consistently good for bankers, but was often disastrous for governments, businessmen, and the people generally.
Carroll Quigley

He wrote the book Tragedy & Hope about the shadow gov't & was a favorite professor of Bill Clinton's.

Seems like so much of what was written about is coming to pass - prophetic or insider knowledge? 

[Dog]

Yes Jens. That's it. Nothing truly good or truly evil ever happens quickly in most cases. That's part of what throws people off. The key is not to be scared. The only thing that one can ever completely count on in this life is "change". Change is scary because it often involves the unknown and that makes people nervous. If you're an independent person/thinker the thought of the government dictating how we live/what we do is horrifying. I believe that we are designed to look after and take care of ourselves and help each other out with all our different abilities. Of course you help your neighbor. Be good to each other. That helps bring true harmony. Humans do need a form of leadership. Just like DOGS  they have a leader of the pack. (don't worry DOG doesn't think it's leader of the pack!  c*Democracy is good. Our leaders need to pull it together, not just with each other but the people they've been elected to represent.
I appreciate this RANT...a lot of us are on edge...don't ever walk in fear...one day at a time. Be nice to your neighbor at work, school, homestead, in the community.
PEACE~

[Dog]

Sassy... the way Sanger put that is awful and sounds hateful. I do want to comment that the world is well on it's way to becoming overpopulated. Now I know this is a serious topic but it can't be ignored.

[Mad Dog]

We can probably trace a lot of this back to the Federal Reserve Act in 1913, giving bankers control over our money.  If anyone hasn't read it, I recommend the "Creature From Jekyll Island".  It'll open your eyes about the Federal Reserve.

[muldoon]

well yeah - the federal reserve certainly has made some mistakes here but they are not necessarily the problem.  For what it's worth, we had an economic crash nearly every decade prior to 1913, and only 2 since then.  The problem is not necessarily the fed, it is the requirement that a monetary system requires confidence.  That confidence can be broken (namely through rampant greed, fraud and corruption) and then the people reject it.  Once the people reject it, the rest of the world do as well and it falls apart.  What failed us is the removal of laws to stop that greed and the complete refusal to enforce the laws that remained intact during the last 10 years.  This destroyed confidence - and no one brings money to the table if they don't believe the losers have to pay up. 

Perhaps we shouldn't have "this fed" but the idea of a banks bank that sets some boundaries and policy is not terrible on its own. 

Would you rather have congress vote on how much money to create every year? 
You can see the problem that lies down that road right? 

Please consider the events that led to the creation of the federal reserve. 

1792, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1792
1797, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1797
1819, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1819
1825, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1825
1837, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1837
1847, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1847
1857, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1857
1866, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1866
1873, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1873
1884, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1884
1890, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1890
1893, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1893
1907, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1907
1910, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1910-1911

A century of monetary disaster. 

[Dog]

A teacher brought up the question about what qualifications are required to be PRESIDENT of the US. One girl in the class immediately started in on how unfair was the requirement to be a natural born citizen is. In short, her opinion was this requirement prevented many capable individuals from becoming president. The class were just taking it in and letting her rant, but everyone's jaw hit the floor when she wrapped up her argument by stating .... "What makes a natural born citizen any more qualified to lead this country?" Oh boy...

What do you guys think about our NEWSPAPERS looking for "bail out" money? Oh ya...That would be great...our government having control over the newspapers...Hello newspapers...It's a waste of ink and paper when we have the internet... 

[glenn kangiser]

That would be no change -- the government does control content and what is allowed.  Let a newspaper launch a legitimate probe of anything the government doesn't want probed.

So by bailout we mean a bunch of CEO's get rich then the gov owns the paper ...that would be cool -they could directly print their own propaganda -- not too credible though ... but what would be new about that.