So, I found the ideal floor plan

StinkerBell · October 02, 2007, 12:27:03 PM

I finally found the ideal floor plan. The roof line is fun and funky, the simpleness of it all. We discovered this comapny here in Washington that pre-makes homes then delivers them. Not a mobile home like Palm Harbor, but one that get placed upon a normal foundation and does not look like one. Anyways we decided to stop by this place (caught our attention while on a small road trip one day), it was just right there off I5. So, knowing what I know here, adding up in my head I thought ok they have about 65k in material. So I Was thinking that add in labor and profit they should be asking maybe 125k. Nope, to my surprise they want 300K fully done and 235k for the shell. I was in shock.

This is it,

http://timberland-homes.com/pages/_homes/alki.htm

theshack · October 02, 2007, 01:28:50 PM

I really like the floor plan, and the look of the house. Yeah thats a lot to be asking for a home like that, but no doubt they will have customers with that amount of money. What part of the country are you in?

Mark L.

October 02, 2007, 02:02:47 PM

Our Property has a Kettle Falls address, but its really 5 miles north of Orient Washington, and 5 mile south of the Canadian Border. The shell is fun and funky, but its fun and funky with very inexpensive ideas. Metal roofing as accent on the batten board siding. Fun color scheme, but really the inexpensive way to side a home and to roof a home. I am just in shock at what they are asking.

glenn kangiser · October 02, 2007, 09:23:46 PM

Looks kinda like multiple shed roof little houses made into one house.

StinkerBell · October 02, 2007, 09:29:49 PM

.....................tell me more Glenn

I can not figure out how the roofs going opposite directions line up center without leaks (did that make sense?).

October 02, 2007, 10:43:30 PM

You are right about it being a possible problem to keep it from leaking . They did it though, so I'd say you could too.. I would say flashing and counter-flashing and big named things like that. PEG says think like rain. PEG is our flashing pro.

I sometimes get low ratings when it comes to flashing. :-/

StinkerBell · October 02, 2007, 10:46:08 PM

I can build it in sections. I bet I can do it for about 50K when done.

hmmmmm, now to talk NetHog into it.

desdawg · October 02, 2007, 11:01:24 PM

Nothing like a little sticker shock to make you want to get the tools out.

glenn kangiser · October 02, 2007, 11:08:11 PM

If you want to do it bad enough you will figure out a way to do it.

October 06, 2007, 09:45:40 AM

Just checked out your Alki at Timberland homes. Yeah I can see why you are smitten - it's a beautiful home. The finishing is very high end but they've done such a great job it's hard to imagine any other way. Is this co. into discussing downsizing or finding economies? I wish you the best.

CG

John Raabe · October 06, 2007, 08:44:43 PM

This is a very simple house structurally (or at least can be).

The expenses are in the finish materials.

Here is a possible structural layout for a similar sized house.

http://www.countryplans.com/Downloads/30x65sheds.pdf

PS - This house is much like a blown up version of the Little House construction system.

PPS - Note to Glenn: Sorry to hear about the flashing problems... but, one out of three ain't bad.

glenn kangiser · October 06, 2007, 10:00:14 PM

The younger generation seems so shallow sometimes. :-/

PEG688 · October 06, 2007, 10:45:33 PM

Quote.....................tell me more Glenn

I can not figure out how the roofs going opposite directions line up center without leaks (did that make sense?).

This one?

No problem to flash , or roof. Butt ugly IMO but eh I don't have to like the looks of something to build it.

What about it's "looks" do you like ? It simple shed roofs , run willy nilly , with "industrial "looking " siding. It looks like a few old shed pushed together with a D8 cat ,then turned gas station , then turned" I'm broke and need a place to live , so this will do" house!

The inside photo's look OK, I never did find the floor plan , but assume it's a kitchen / great room on one end toward the middle then a few bedrooms on the other end.

The Foxtrot cabin , whats his name , it's Fritz :-/ I think , is doing , at least in the earlier designs with the shed roofs is / was , I guess , (as he changed to three gable roofs IIRC) , a much "better looking" house IMO.

PEG688 · October 06, 2007, 10:59:13 PM

Ah now I found the floor plan,

Which is OK . I don't like that "walk thru the bathroom to get to the closet" set up at all. And venting that oven would mean a down draft vent hood / oven setup , do able if you like downdrafts. the plumber will like that island sink , Ca-Ching!! He'll pass out with dollar signs in his head!

I'd lose or change the sunroom it's the same space as the great room really wasted floor space your paying for. I'd move the wash room/ powder room over that way and group it with the other bath . That "sunrooms " just a wide hallway. I put like I said the powder room over there along with the equipment room that would free up some space to get a better MB / WIC setup. ( Master Bath , Walk In Closet.)

They must be using "I" joist for rafters as thats a long span , or a pipe type truss?? No beam showing so some engineer made his $$ to stretch that place.

And these cabinets , typical factory grade you can tell "no one who cared" picked out the materials to match grain , let alone color , again Willy Nilly must be hard at work in the cabinet shop grinding out his 40 hours .

Almost should be crime to put nice looking fixture , sink , valve and pulls, etc on something that , well ugly, mismatched grain poor color match etc .

Other than that "she's Cherry"

Who designs this stuff? Maybe they should try swinging a hammer for ten years BEFORE they get to use a pencil

Sorry just my opinions

October 06, 2007, 11:31:30 PM

Glad you liked it, PEG.

I didn't look at the floor plan close enough to see the bathroom walk-in closet. That really doesn't look too practical. :-?

In this case the master bedroom is then without a closet which a real estate lady told me keeps it from being a bedroom -- unless you count going through the bathroom as it's closet.

To me the small hallway between the master bedroom and the powder room is a waste also. What if you wanted to get to your gunpowder without being seen in the kitchen? :-?

PEG688 · October 06, 2007, 11:41:49 PM

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Glad you liked it, PEG.

What if you wanted to get to your gunpowder without being seen in the kitchen? :-?

What,,,,,,,,,,,,, it just needs a lil tweaking , well OK A LOT of tweaking.

Ya I know what ya mean a guys powder should be close at hand in the WIC or some hidden compartment by the bed!

Jest in case !!!

glenn kangiser · October 06, 2007, 11:52:13 PM

Yup -- you never know when you may have to rush outside in your slippers and shoot a bear or coyote. Happened to me more times than I can count on one hand.

PEG688 · October 07, 2007, 12:05:51 AM

I do like the deeper than normal pantry they used next to the bath sink . Normally the pantry cabinet is the same depth and the counter top sticks out.

And they may , it does not show on the plan or photos , be venting the micro hood and oven directly out the side wall under the clear storey windows.

So they are some good points

John Raabe · October 07, 2007, 11:01:06 AM

For folks who don't want to open the PDF that I posted a few lines up this thread, here's an easy way to do the structure...

I agree with the layout revisions PEG and others are suggesting. I think I might do the two bedrooms with the middle bath in the left module, put the master on the right with the privacy buffer of what is now the Sunroom (it is not a sunroom!), and use that middle space for the utility and master bath. That way you can dump the landlocked powder room and get by fine with 2 bathrooms and a more spacious room layout.

I would not do four alternating sheds as shown in the painting. If the sunlight (South) is facing downward on the plan then you could combine the high sheds all on that side with the "sunroom" module having a nearly flat roof in the middle.

One thing about these sheds is that they lend themselves to building in stages - and the lower slope is easy to work on.

glenn kangiser · October 07, 2007, 11:40:21 AM

I opened the PDF and that was much what I had in mind also, but somehow got sidetracked from commenting on it.

It sounds like a good way to go if you are interested in this type of structure and I like the module idea.

John Raabe · October 07, 2007, 03:44:11 PM

Yes, for the floor loads it would be a big beam. I would drop in one or more piers to cut down the spans. Can't do that for some of the roof spans however. Or you could do it all with trusses.

Just an exercise at any rate... not trying to sell a finished owner-builder design. Not my design anyway. For the bucks they are asking the beams could all be framed in steel.

StinkerBell · October 08, 2007, 03:05:34 PM

I generally do like the layout. I do not like the master closet off the bedroom like it is and the smaller1/2 bath would not be there but the area made into a larger utility. The "Sunroom" is more like a formal dining area and main entry. I do like the funky outside look. The fun inexpensive simpleness and the funky industrial look. The upgrades are not the great of Quality IMO, look good but I give it less then a year and things will fall apart.

travcojim · October 08, 2007, 06:24:37 PM

How would you do the beams lengthwise, they would be 30 ft. plus, that could add up quick buying beams that size wouldn't it? The design is something that could be done in stages for sure.

So, I found the ideal floor plan

John_C