I really, really. like this ,man!

Started by peternap, August 03, 2012, 10:51:53 AM

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peternap

Yesterday, after driving 4 hours one way to video a farm protest where the county was acting illegally, and the protest was the most pathetic thing I've witnessed since a one man Tea Party call to "Fill The Streets" .....I read this and my faith in Farmers has been restored. ;D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2182958/Farmer-takes-revenge-drug-arrest-driving-tractor-seven-police-cars.html
These here is God's finest scupturings! And there ain't no laws for the brave ones! And there ain't no asylums for the crazy ones! And there ain't no churches, except for this right here!

alex trent

If you think this is what makes a farmer deserve respect, you need to be prepared to go hungry if other farmers think like him.

He traded a misdemeanor charge for some big time felonies. Damaged a lot of public property that his neighbors will ultimately pay for. Will have to pay some amount of restitution..likely that big tractor will go to pay some of it it.

Not sure what there is to admire about his thinking.


peternap

Quote from: alextrent on August 03, 2012, 11:13:14 AM
If you think this is what makes a farmer deserve respect, you need to be prepared to go hungry if other farmers think like him.

He traded a misdemeanor charge for some big time felonies. Damaged a lot of public property that his neighbors will ultimately pay for. Will have to pay some amount of restitution..likely that big tractor will go to pay some of it it.

Not sure what there is to admire about his thinking.

Everyone has an opinion. You aren't a sheep rancher by any chance, are you?
You're missing your calling if not!
These here is God's finest scupturings! And there ain't no laws for the brave ones! And there ain't no asylums for the crazy ones! And there ain't no churches, except for this right here!

mgramann

Not a fan of law enforcement? Maybe I am misunderstanding ???

peternap

Quote from: mgramann on August 03, 2012, 11:43:55 AM
Not a fan of law enforcement? Maybe I am misunderstanding ???

Misunderstanding what?

I'm not anti law enforcement. I am anti passive protest. That does nothing except make the entire group look stupid and sheepish.

Look at this rowdy bunch from yesterday, they accomplished nothing, will not go to court and the county will have an unlawful law on the books for a long time because of it.



This fellow knew the consequences, didn't hurt anyone (Which is the other side of the coin. I had a friend get shot in the face with a 12 ga over the same type situation) and definitely made his feelings known.
These here is God's finest scupturings! And there ain't no laws for the brave ones! And there ain't no asylums for the crazy ones! And there ain't no churches, except for this right here!


mgramann

Quote from: peternap on August 03, 2012, 11:55:19 AM
Misunderstanding what?

I'm not anti law enforcement. I am anti passive protest.

That's what I wasn't sure about.  I'm newer around here, and wasn't sure if you were an "all cops are evil" person or something else.  It was hard to tell from your comments on the story-but further elaboration cleared that up.  I'm glad you are the latter.  Even though I may not agree 100% with that, I find people who are the former to be completely useless:)

rick91351

Quote from: mgramann on August 03, 2012, 12:08:56 PM
That's what I wasn't sure about.  I'm newer around here, and wasn't sure if you were an "all cops are evil" person or something else.  It was hard to tell from your comments on the story-but further elaboration cleared that up.  I'm glad you are the latter.  Even though I may not agree 100% with that, I find people who are the former to be completely useless:)

NO I think I am that one out of the bunch!   Am I "all cops are evil" person or something else.   ???  Guess I am something else.  All I know the elected great ones in Va. are shaking in their shoes today!  OH My G_D what hath G_D loosed among us!!  YES YES What Hath G_D Wrought.  Quick Quick run and hide.... [waiting]     
Proverbs 24:3-5 Through wisdom is an house builded; an by understanding it is established.  4 And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with all precious and pleasant riches.  5 A wise man is strong; yea, a man of knowledge increaseth strength.

mgramann

On another forum I used to frequent there was a character who thought 99% of law enforcement was corrupt.  There isn't much intelligent debate with a person like that.  I'm also not naive enough to think all L.E. is good either, as there are definitely some pretty bad apples.  Some common policy/procedure also needs some work.  FWIW, I myself am former L.E.

I wonder what they are using right now for patrol vehicles...

muldoon

I think there is more to this story than what is being reported.  I think it is actually two stories from my perspective.  One is the way he just lost it and did this.  Second is the support being given him in comments like this in nationwide media over forums and blogs and the comments in media articles online. 

This sounds much more personal than he was upset because he was arrested for pot.  I am pretty sure for whatever reason he felt he was retaliating against what he thought was an injustice.  Perhaps the arrest was bogus, there have certainly been cases of that before.  Perhaps it was more of a setup, like the cops knew him and they smoked dope together but they busted him to steal his stuff.  Who knows, in small towns it's pretty common for everyone to know each other.  He did not attack the courthouse, he went after the police assets on purpose. 

Whatever the case, I think in his mind he had nothing left to lose so he literally just lost it. He is getting alot of support in nationwide media because most americans are sick of corruption and overhanded police abuses that we see on a constant basis and when we see someone who has been pushed to the their limit fight back in such a manner it seems good. 

Certainly others have done the same. 

Take that guy who set himself on fire in the courthouse in the name of fathers rights after the courts ran roughshod over his relationship with his children.   http://hypervocal.com/news/2011/update-man-who-set-himself-on-fire-on-courthouse-steps-did-so-in-name-of-fathers-rights/

In his mind, he had nothing left to lose and lost it. 

It also reminds me of the guy who got fed up with the IRS and flew his plane into their office.  While everyone pretty much agreed it was terrible, just about everyone also agreed that they understood his motivation. 


Or that guy from Colorado who took his bulldozer, welded on 1 inch steel plate and destroyed those in the town he felt had wronged him with corruption.  He destroyed the mayors house, the bank, a few stores owned by city council members because he felt he had nothing left to lose. 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbG9i1oGPA

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As for the reactions and people giving this guy the respect, there is a changing of attitudes in this nation.  I think the notion that there are rules for one class of people and there are rules for the rest of us is prevalent across the nation.  That people like our presidents and congressman and actors openly admit to using drugs, but lower class are just fed into the meatgrinder and assets seized.  I do think this is part of the equation in the process of the breakdown here.  Lack of equal protection under law for all.  Some seem to be above the law, and when we see that challenged in such a visceral way we collectively are enjoying it. 

It seems to me that the notion of fraud under the color of law is nearly universally accepted these days.  Take the sheriffs statement that those cars were 60k each.  Sure maybe new they were, but they were not new.  You try that with your insurance company if your car gets wrecked.  It's crooked and people are fed up with it.  Or take the MF Global guy, or the way some police treat protestors, or sending in swat teams for people who sell unfiltered milk, or fill in the blank with whatever the injustice of the day is. 

I think the perspective that if you beat a dog too long he will bite back is taking grip. 
I am not sure how that pans out when trended out a few years. 


peternap

I think that sums it up pretty well Muldoon.

I have no idea what the story behind it is and honestly, it doesn't matter.
There three ways people go with these things, and I've see two of them.

First, just roll over and take the charges.

Second, kill whoever is involved as was the case with Wayne. A DUI he had arrested got fed up one night, waited for him to come home and shot him in the face.

The third is a very pointed and expensive demonstration....sort of getting in the last word. No one got killed or even hurt, he very definitely got in the last word and considering the support he's gotten, made a clear statement.
These here is God's finest scupturings! And there ain't no laws for the brave ones! And there ain't no asylums for the crazy ones! And there ain't no churches, except for this right here!