Can you help me ID this woodstove?

Started by NM_Shooter, April 08, 2012, 11:04:58 PM

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NM_Shooter

Well, it is no Jotul.  But I bought it anyway.  I don't know if I will use it in my cabin or use it in the ranch guest cabin, as that has a stove we need to replace anyway.  But for $125 I figured I could not go wrong.  Hopefully not too wrong.   ::)  It came with the oval adapter and a 4' stretch of stovepipe.  I would have preferred the stovepipe protrude from the top.  Coming out the back puts a whole lot of additional length to the thing.

Anybody know what brand of stove this might be?  It sort of looks like the little Jotul (602?)  but there are no manufacturer marks on the thing.  It has two internal side heat shields, and a third shield that I have not figured out yet.  The previous owner thought that it was a shield for the top, and that part of it sort of rested on the exhaust fitting.  I'm not so sure, as it does not seem to be secure when placed like that.  Take a look and tell me what you think.  Bonus points if know the manufacturer. 

It also did not have any brick in the bottom.  No apparent way to use an outside air kit either.  If I keep this thing, I only plan on using it to get the initial chill out of the cabin, and then switch to my forced air once the cabin is heated up.  I suspect just a tiny fire in this will blast me out of my little 14x20 box.







Here is the inside view of the shields.  The top sheild is the one that I am just not sure about.

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NM_Shooter

OK... I think it is a Scandia 150. 

Bonus question about third shield still in play!
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rick91351

That shelf appears to be a smoke shelf.  They are designed to keep the heat down and not up the flue.  They were also from what I understand made to keep down drafts in the flue from belching ashs and soot into the firebox and in to the room.

They because of the intense heat some times / most always become warped.  The one in my old / ancient Fabco insert, as with most I ever was around when it gets warmed up it makes a resounding bang when it gets so hot.  Just once and never when it cools down just when heating up. 
Proverbs 24:3-5 Through wisdom is an house builded; an by understanding it is established.  4 And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with all precious and pleasant riches.  5 A wise man is strong; yea, a man of knowledge increaseth strength.

NM_Shooter

Well, doggone it... this stove just won't work for me in my cabin.  With the vent coming out the rear, it was just too long and a mock set up showed this protruding into the room too much.  So I passed it on to the next owner, and got my money out of it.  Lesson learned.

Since my cabin is pretty small, and well insulated, I think I am going to use a ship's heater.  I found one that looks likely.... has anyone had experience with using this?  :

http://www.go2marine.com/product/20010F/newport-solid-fuel-heater-00-newsf.html

It is a bulkhead mount.  I am thinking I am going to make a small tube metal frame to support it away from the wall such that it is freestanding.  Unfortunately, where I need to mount this is near a door / window, and I don't want to fasten it to the wall. 

Note that it uses a tiny flue.  I am hoping that I can figure out a way to get a safe penetration for this established.  I am thinking about transitioning to more of a standard flue size.  Don't pellet stoves use a 4" flue?
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Squirl

Wow that is really cool.  And a great price too.
I have seen pellet stove chimneys in 4".
It looks like they sell most of the chimney stuff on that site.  The owner's manual states that it has a 3" pipe.  The manual also shows a heat shield between it and the bulkhead.

I have met a few cruisers that had the almost identical stove in propane and loved them.

Now I know another great option for solid fuel in tiny cabins.

Edit:
3" pellet chimney
http://www.lowes.com/pd_74595-76845-AC-3000_0__?productId=1195161&Ntt=wood+pellets&pl=1&currentURL=&facetInfo=

The manual says it needs 8" clearance, so I would assume if it is more than 8" from a wall, you should not need a heat shield.


NM_Shooter

It is pretty small.. only about 8"x9"x15".

But I have a 16kbtu RV propane heater for my cabin now, and that brings my cabin up to toasty pretty quick.  I'm guessing if I can figure out a way to have some single wall stove pipe exposed I can harvest a lot of extra heat from that little stove. 

I'm trying to figure out if I could maybe go to 6" single wall inside, then neck back down to 3 or 4" for the chimney.  My gut feel is that I'd never want to reduce the diameter from the outlet of the stove.  But since the stove outlet is 3" in diameter, this might be okay.   ???   Probably should mock up the exhaust stack and see how it does.

The other down side is the small combustion chamber.  I'll need to tend it for the first 45 minutes or so.  Once I get some heat in the cabin I can switch to my propane RV heater.
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rick91351

Could you come straight out the back and through the wall and up with a 'metalbestos' flue?  It might be out of reach price wise I think it would be for me especially in a part time application......

http://www.selkirkcorp.com/

Proverbs 24:3-5 Through wisdom is an house builded; an by understanding it is established.  4 And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with all precious and pleasant riches.  5 A wise man is strong; yea, a man of knowledge increaseth strength.

NM_Shooter

Maybe.  But I would like to get the heat from the vent if I could.  I need to look at the pictures of my framing to see how this might work.
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MountainDon

Just remember that as more heat is extracted from the flue the speed of the exhaust slows. Ditto when increasing the flue size (3 inch to 4 inch for example). Slower flow could result in lessened draw and performance.   ???

Just because something has been done and has not failed, doesn't mean it is good design.


considerations

These are really popular in the Tiny House movement, although those folks seem to choose the propane model more often than solid fuel. 

Anyway, before you jump...check out this link:
http://firstmatemarine.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2849

might be a better price for you.

builderboy

I ran across a Jotul copy made in Britian I believe by Reynolds.

builderboy

These replica ships stoves aren't cheap but...............

www.marinestove.com - sorry didn't take the time to figure out a link that works.

The Sardine & Litte Cod originate from Lunenburg Foundry in Nova Scotia. These are replicas made by Navigator Stove works who bought the rights when Lun Foundry ceased production around 1990. Originals  can be bought here in Nova Scotia for as little as $300 depending on condition.

Don't expect fire insurance companies to like them. I have 2 in use in 200 & 400 sq ft cabins.

builderboy

well the link works after all. I'm a computer genius!