Well, are you a birther or not?

[OlJarhead]

Sixth now... Jarhead?

Yes -- though I would have preferred "Who Cares, won't change a thing" instead.

Frankly, I believe that it will take years to prove either way because they want it that way.  They laugh at you for it too.  Now they can get back to calling 'birthers' racists instead of explaining why gas is $4/gallon.

[NM_Shooter]

Wait.. .you do realize that the poll question is whether the document was a fake, and not whether Obama has a US birth cert.  Right?

[NM_Shooter]

I'm getting some enlightenment here.  Not only on this thread but how people in general react to a topic being discussed.

The question that I posted had to deal with whether or not the posted document was a fake.  Not whether Obama is a fake. 

Seems like folks tend to react to the emotional issue behind the data rather than being able to examine data in a detached fashion. 

Interesting in a disturbing way.

[OlJarhead]

Wait.. .you do realize that the poll question is whether the document was a fake, and not whether Obama has a US birth cert.  Right?

Hmmm.....I did but chose to answer the way I did because I think there is a real one out there that they just chose not to share.

Perhaps this one is fake (that would not surprise me in the slightest) but I think they have the real one somewhere.

I should also add this:  where is yours?  I personally don't have mine, it was lost long long ago and I had to petition to get a replacement in order to join the Marine Corps.  It's a 'short form' I guess but then I don't know.  All I know is that it was issued in 1986 and I was born in 1965.

It is my understanding that Barry submitted his short form originally, which was also a re-issue.  Though I could be wrong.

Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that it's good for his re-election campaign for birthers to be talking about his legitimacy -- it is then more likely that he will win re-election.

[Windpower]

NM, I think another question is why is this done in such blatantly 'in your face' way that even a PS amateur like myself can easily discover clear signs of fraud .

eg there are letters that have absolutely identical shapes when blown up to reveal the individual pixels.

This is   of course impossible in a scanned document

similarly the pathetic date stamp from BO's draft papers. Cutting a 2008 stamp in half and inverting it to make 80

pathetic for a man with unlimited resources to fake documents of such poor quality

IMO these 'documents' were made to be easily identified as fake

Why ?


Is it to divide us and ultimately demoralize us, much like the obvious voting machine fraud.

[Carla_M]

When I first saw that it looked like someone fiddled with it in a basic easy to see fashion I was puzzled. There's no way a good forger would release that. So I figure it was either very sloppy because they are totally inept or because they have a sense of humor and want to have fun with the birther crowd.

[peternap]

You got a point?  Is there something I can do for you?

The point should be obvious...even to you,
and
Very, Very, unlikely

[Ajax]

If it had been scanned, it would have had a single layer. 

That statement shows that you clearly don't know what your talking about.

Fox news says it's legit

Watch this guy do it

Now they can get back to calling 'birthers' racists instead of explaining why gas is $4/gallon.

What does the administration have to do with $4 gas?

NM, I think another question is why is this done in such blatantly 'in your face' way that even a PS amateur like myself can easily discover clear signs of fraud .

It's not fake, and The National Review agrees with me

The point should be obvious...even to you,

What's obvious to me is that some folks on this board think they know more about PDF files than they actually do.

[peternap]

You're talking about PDF files??
I don't think anyone mentioned them, but you you keep watching the sky. That will be your job!

[Don_P]

I'm getting some enlightenment here.  Not only on this thread but how people in general react to a topic being discussed.

The question that I posted had to deal with whether or not the posted document was a fake.  Not whether Obama is a fake. 

Seems like folks tend to react to the emotional issue behind the data rather than being able to examine data in a detached fashion. 

Interesting in a disturbing way.

You've provided enlightenment as well. Was the poll question written in a detached or emotional way? Was there bias? Yet you feel it inappropriate that responses were emotional and biased. Also interesting in a disturbing way. I think the appropriate term is GIGO.

[Carla_M]

Fox news says it's legit

Watch this guy do it
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Those are very interesting links. I never saw them before, but then I haven't spent a lot of time researching the matter since I first saw the controversies over the release of the document. It didn't  seem to be worthwhile to pursue.

I guess I should say thanks. Thanks

[NM_Shooter]

You've provided enlightenment as well. Was the poll question written in a detached or emotional way? Was there bias? Yet you feel it inappropriate that responses were emotional and biased. Also interesting in a disturbing way. I think the appropriate term is GIGO.

Actually, it was tongue in cheek cynicism.  I was amazed that folks were assuming / answering a question that I had not asked. 

[OlJarhead]

What does the administration have to do with $4 gas?

It is possible 'nothing' is the correct answer but then you would have to ignore a whole lot of beurocratic stuff...but that wasn't my point.  When gas hit $3.89/gallon under Bush it was his fault.  When gas hits $3.89/gallon under Obama it won't be his fault.

See how that works?

But I digress:  high gas prices mean lower chances of being elected no matter who's fault it is, but if you can keep the news from talking about it then you can reduce the potential damage (this is high school stuff man).

So, keep the 'birthers' frothing at the mouth

[NM_Shooter]

I will also admit that the evidence to the contrary that Ajax posted has pulled me into the middle to the "on the fence" group.

And I do have multiple valid birth certs for myself.  The original in a depost box, and I requested a duplicate for a submission for  a passport years ago (I did not want to send in my original).

[Pox Eclipse]

As a liberal Democrat, I couldn't be happier that Sheriff Joe revived this dead horse.  Now we can focus on the President's birth certificate, and restricting access to contraception, and the snobbery of going to college instead of debating job creation and the economy.  Any other election year, with unemployment over 8% and gas over $4 a gallon, I would be worried about re-electing a Democratic incumbent. 

But instead, with the current slate of GOP clowns insisting on a circular firing squad and endless conservative purity tests, I am laughing all the way to the ballot box, and dreaming of a reboot of 1964, when we took not only the White House, but both houses of Congress, and Republicans were shut out completely.

In the immortal words of Flounder from Animal House, "Boy, this is going to be great!!"

[peternap]

Boy I hate agreeing with you Pox!

[considerations]

"High Jack Alert"

"restrict access to contraception"

Hey! I have an idea!  A really proactive move would include the elimination of insurance coverage for Viagra and the other copy cat Rxs.  After all, it would serve to end ethical problems with the "when life begins" issue, because less lives would "begin". Certainly would also serve to lower health care costs such as maternity and heart attacks.

Sounds fair to me! Put that in front of the all male House Oversight Committee on Birth Control and see how they respond. 

[Sassy]

"High Jack Alert"

"restrict access to contraception"

Hey! I have an idea!  A really proactive move would include the elimination of insurance coverage for Viagra and the other copy cat Rxs.  After all, it would serve to end ethical problems with the "when life begins" issue, because less lives would "begin". Certainly would also serve to lower health care costs such as maternity and heart attacks.

Sounds fair to me! Put that in front of the all male House Oversight Committee on Birth Control and see how they respond.

Don't remember how we got here, considerations, maybe you made just a straight out hijack    Although I am completely "pro-life" as far as abortions go (volunteer at a Crisis Pregnancy Center doing ultrasounds).  I totally agree w/you about the Viagra et al   

When I used to work in the clinics at the Veterans Hospital, I had a 50 something guy come in during the lunch break - no docs available, I just happened to still be in the office...  anyway, he demands that I get his Viagra refilled.  I calmly explained that I'd need to schedule him in w/a doc in the afternoon to get the refill...  he got very angry & started yelling at me.  I told him that he could purchase the pills at a pharmacy outside the VA.  He got madder & told me he didn't have the money.  I asked him if he ever took his girlfriend on a date, like out to eat or to a movie - he replied "yes."  I said "if you have the money to do those things & the Viagra is so important to you, I would think you would spend the money on a couple pills."  He started yelling at me in the middle of the waiting room where he started the whole conversation...  then reported me to the patient advocate that I was embarrassing him in front of everyone. 

Goes to show what a hot button issue this is.   

[MountainDon]

Well it did come with a highjack alert.   

Maybe a topic unto itself? 

[considerations]

Thanks, Mountain Don, but I don't think the pro life/pro choice / health care issue(s) deserve a thread of their own, let alone a place in the political campaigns leading up to a presidential election.  Suffice it to say I believe those discussions belong in the privacy of a family circle.  I just popped off after getting a full craw (outside of this forum) of politicians and media pundits spewing out their list of "shoulds" for the rest of the country.  Temporary lapse, won't happen again...

[Pox Eclipse]

Sounds fair to me! Put that in front of the all male House Oversight Committee on Birth Control and see how they respond.

Maybe they will follow the lead of the Arizona Republicans in the state legislature, who proposed a law that would define life as beginning two weeks before conception:

Under Arizona’s H.B. 2036, the state would recognize the start of the unborn child’s life to be the first day of its mother’s last menstrual period. The legislation is being proposed so that lawmakers can outlaw abortions on fetuses past the age of 20-weeks, but the verbiage its authors use to construct a time cycle for the baby would mean that the start of the child's life could very well occur up to two weeks before the mother and father even ponder procreating.

...

"...it’s safe to assume that they’d simply prefer a situation where all women of reproductive age are considered to be pregnant, on the grounds that they could be two weeks from now,”

Perhaps Arizona just couldn't bear to be less idiotic than Florida and Texas, so they figured they would swing for the fences.

[peternap]

Maybe they will follow the lead of the Arizona Republicans in the state legislature, who proposed a law that would define life as beginning two weeks before conception:
Perhaps Arizona just couldn't bear to be less idiotic than Florida and Texas, so they figured they would swing for the fences.

Everyone knows life begins at closing time !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-0lV5qs1Qw

[MountainDon]

  Suffice it to say I believe those discussions belong in the privacy of a family circle.

Agreed.