Arizona's new illegal alien law.....

[NM_Shooter]

OK... here's a juicy one.

Can anybody tell me exactly why it is that the left is all lathered up about Arizona's new illegal immigrant law?

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/huge-rally-at-arizona-capitol-today

I'd like to duplicate that law here in NM.

[dug]

Well I'm not the left and I'm not exactly lathered up about it nor am I pro-illegal immigration but I can tell you why it is upsetting to many people, including myself.

Racial profiling. The bill makes it legal to pull over, detain, and jail people based on skin color. I've heard the counter arguments, "What's the big deal? Just show the proper documentations and there is no problem!".

I have left my house and forgotten my wallet before, I don't think I should have to potentially go to jail for that. Of course you and I will never need to endure that, being fair skinned. Still doesn't make it right.

Papers please!??  Sounds like some other countries we used to think of as evil, not America.

[gandalfthegrey]

I never understood wy they need a seperate law for this.  If you are here illegaly.. you are breaking the law.  Maybe they never had it written out on paper before....

[MountainDon]

There are existing laws; that's how ICE is able to send people back to Mexico. We have uneven enforcement.

Add to that the fact that NM issues drivers licenses to every Tom, Dick and Harry who comes along, regardless of citizenship or immigration status, and we have a real mess.

If we really want to curb illegal immigration (and I do) there are many things that have to change. That might include requiring a national ID card for those born here or with 'green cards' or those who are naturalized citizens. Maybe we need guest worker visas. Maybe we need to somehow change the law that automatically grants US citizenship to babies whose mothers purposefully cross over to give birth in the USA.

[OkieJohn2]

Here in Oklahoma, to get a drivers liscense you have to have a certified birth certificate and a valid SS card.  (Or a current US passport)
To get a job here you have to have two valid forms of ID to get a job, and that is by federal mandate.
Several years ago I was unemployed because the company I worked for closed.  I had to prove my citizenship to get unemployment and food stamps.
So what is all this talk about illegals taking all the jobs and getting on welfare?  I just don't understand that part.
I also think that Arizona didn't really think this thru.  I really wonder what it is going to do to tourism and conventions?
Who would want to vacation there if they didn't have the proper skin color and run the risk of frequent checkpoints for driving around with out of state plates.  But then again, with the bleak picture painted by those who supported this law, who would want to visit such a dangerous place, with Mexican banditos bearing assault rifles behind every rock.

[ScottA]

Basicly the problem with the law is you are guilty until proven innocent. Existing laws already cover illegal alien issues but are not enforced.

[NM_Shooter]

Here's an overview:

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm

How does #18 break down?  Does this mean that it is only unlawful to transport workers to another location if you are blocking traffic?

[dug]

Well I'll sure agree with #'s 26-31. There are many industries that rely heavily, if not entirely on illegal labor forces. It seems doubtful that these companies hire most of these illegal workers unknowingly.

If the focus would be on this issue I think a lot more could be accomplished, yet it always ends up on the back burner in order of importance.

Extinguish the source and you might have a fighting chance to eliminate the problem.

[Pox Eclipse]

In addition to the racial profiling potential, citizens can sue the police for not questioning enough people about their immigration status, and citizens can sue the police for harassing them unreasonably.  Police are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. 

This is going to tie the Arizona courts in knots, and cost them a fortune in judgements.  If the state isn't bankrupt now, it will be soon.

[Txcowrancher]

This law and all the BS politicians are full of crap. Neither liberals or conservatives want to stop the border crossings. They all say that they do but they are lying.

The liberals like it because they hope to get another 10 million or so democratic voters someday after they are legalized, and they are just plain do-gooders that dont care about the impact on the existing americans.

The conservatives like it because they want cheap labor to exploit. Its that simple. It will not be stopped because no-one but the people want it stopped.

If we really wanted to stop it, and didnt care about all the "we cant hurt anyone do-gooders." It could be stopped in 30 days and all the current illegals returned. Of course it would never be done, its way to "barbaric". Just make a law that no-one would be prosecuted for shooting an illegal in cold blood, as long as they are here illegally you could blow them away. Now lets see.  the do-gooders clain that thousands die crossing the desert every year, so if we gunned down say 100 or so before they all got smart and left the country, Then we should get a noble peace prize for saving lives  right???

obviously sarcastic, the point is...what does no you can not come illegally mean?
The problem has many solutions if you actually wanted to stop the crossing instead of jaw bone about it.

Tom

[fishing_guy]

The funny thing here in Minnesota is that we get the illegal from both borders.  Not only is there a high population from south of the border centered in the Twin Cities and meat packing towns like Austin, but there is also a growing population from north of the border.  My wife worked with a guy who came from England and Canada, and has no green card.  He was more worried about being sent back than some of those south of the border.

[LeoinSA]

Can anybody tell me exactly why it is that the left is all lathered up about Arizona's new illegal immigrant law?

How's this for starters?  http://iowaindependent.com/32851/the-new-birthers-arizona-truck-driver-arrested-forced-to-show-birth-certificate

My emphasis - "Both were born in the United States..."

Next, as someone mentioned, the color of your skin is now probable cause for a stop and to be asked 'Papers please'.

How long until everyone has to show papers when crossing state borders? 

Carrying firearms?  Got proof you own them legally?  Can't prove it like the kid in the news article mentioned above - confiscate your personal property.  Good luck getting 'em back.

This 'so called' law, if not found unconstitutional, may be the first step on the way to national ID, check points and a country where our last bit of freedom is gone 'poof', like smoke in a strong wind.

And as Txcowrancher said, people on both sides of the issue want to use this as a political wedge issue without really doing anything serious about stopping it.  Don't matter the political persuasion. 

AND...  Just exactly who is gonna pick seasonal crops?  Sure ain't gonna be a red-neck from deep woods Georgia/Kentucky/Arkansas going to Florida or California and doing stoop labor for pennies an hour.  But those same red-necks will grab the welfare and food stamps and then whine about too much gov'ment spendin'.  He-double hockey sticks, don't y'all know that if'n the company ya worked for for 20+ years shut its doors and you were drawing unemployment benefits - that you partly paid into the state - and ya can't find a job that - according to some GOP politicians in several states - you're just a lazy no-good for nothing sucking the state coffers dry.

Don't matter that those same politicians made it easy and without penalty for companies to move decent family wage jobs overseas.  Nah, no connection.  Freeloaders!  You-betcha!  Get'em out in the fresh air and sunshine and get those strawberries hoed under 'cause there's a glut!

But don't ever mention that the average Joe or Jane American is carrying 30% to 150% more weight than they should and couldn't bend over their belly to pull a weed or harvest a head of lettuce more than three times in a day without injuring themselves and claiming disability.  Gotta have those illegals to keep the food fresh behind individually plastic wrapped pablum at Wal-Mart.

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[ScottA]

This 'so called' law, if not found unconstitutional, may be the first step on the way to national ID, check points and a country where our last bit of freedom is gone 'poof', like smoke in a strong wind.

Bingo! We have a winner.

[Pox Eclipse]

Just make a law that no-one would be prosecuted for shooting an illegal in cold blood, as long as they are here illegally you could blow them away.

I think you are on to something!  But if we took it one step further, we could cure the problem in two weeks:  make it legal to shoot anyone who hires an illegal.  If there are no jobs, they will deport themselves.  Plus, since one business owner can employ dozens of illegals, there would be fewer graves to dig.

[MountainDon]

I'm surprised/shocked at the cavalier mention of shooting people, if even in jest.

[Whitlock]

  


 

From the L A. Times:

1.  40% of all workers in L. A. County (L. A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes.   This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2.  95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3.  75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.  
4.  Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5.  Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
6.  Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7.  The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8.  Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9.  21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10.  In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County.)
 
(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)
 
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States' annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.  29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens .




AND-  
CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.

Consumers don't want expensive produce.

Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

But the bottom line is cheap labor.  The phrase "cheap labor"  is a myth, a farce,  and a lie. There is no such thing as  "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six  dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an  "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

He qualifies for food stamps.

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) healthcare.

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

He requires bilingual teachers and  books.

He qualifies for relief from high energy  bills.

If they are, or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI.   If qualified for SSI they can qualify  for Medicaid.    All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense.

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners  insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language  signs, bulletins and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6..00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

[glenn kangiser]

I think we should lead by example.  We should make our Whitehouse resident prove he is an American or send him back to Kenya. 


Why are we worried about Mexicans? 

[Homegrown Tomatoes]

Gee, I thought that AZ already had that law back in 1999 when I got pulled over by an AZ state trooper and patted down because I had out of state plates and was working for the summer there.  Oh, and he wanted to know if me and my Navajo friend who was riding with me were drinking because, well, we looked suspicious with out of state tags, dark skin, and tinted windows.  He told me that my OK license was not valid for more than 16 days in AZ (not true, I did look that one up) and that I had to immediately get my license and tags changed to AZ.  Thought he was going to arrest the whole bunch of us at first, and the crazy thing was that he didn't even have a reason to pull us over in the first place!

[Windpower]

http://www.devvy.com/new_site/arizona_immigration_042610.html


Arizona's new immigration law: Not all illegals are Mexicans

By: Devvy
April 26, 2010

The worn out chant claiming racism over Arizona's tough and long over due immigration reform bill is saturating the media. I caught a segment on FAUX News two days ago. A robot in the form of a female had her yap going, declaring the law unconstitutional because it "makes all Hispanics in Arizona second class citizens". If I had an extra one of my favorite bumper sticker, I'd mail it to her:




Because this female loads the pie hole in her face before her brain, she either hasn't read the bill (if she can read English) or chooses not to because it doesn't fit with her agenda: promoting lawlessness instead of the law. This genius also doesn't seem to comprehend this on-going invasion has brought terrible suffering to the people of Arizona for decades. Both emotionally and physically from crime, and economically by stealing jobs that belong to the people of Arizona and naturalized citizens in that state.

Arizona's current unemployment rate is 9.6%. How many thousands of jobs are being held by illegal aliens who have no legal right to work in that state? Thousands.  Those jobs belong to the people of Arizona, not some criminal from Columbia, Cambodia or Manila.[1] In the meantime, Arizonans stand in unemployment lines. 

A new Rassmussen poll shows 70% of Arizonans are in favor of this law. The other 30% are illegals, their friends and extremist fringe groups like the ACLU and militant America haters like LaRaza.

The usurper in the White House, who has no legal authority to say or do anything while he illegally occupies the office of president, fired off his politically correct rhetoric for votes calling the law 'misguided'. Obama/Soetoro knowingly and and with pre-meditation, broke dozens of laws when he brazenly ran for president knowing full well he is and always will be constitutionally ineligible. Anything he says, which is usually a bald face lie, means nothing. It's all political posturing.

The American Communist Lawyers Union (ACLU) blasts the new law "threatens civil rights and public safety". Of course, the ACLU has never done anything that would endanger public safety:

ACLU Defends Child Molester Group

"The American Civil Liberties Union has asked a judge to dismiss what it calls an "unconstitutional" lawsuit against a national pedophile organization being sued in a wrongful death case after two of the group's members brutally raped and murdered a 10-year-old boy. The $200 million civil lawsuit, which charges the North American Man-Boy Love Association with wrongful death, was originally filed in Massachusetts Federal District Court on May 16....

"But the ACLU believes NAMBLA is being unconstitutionally ''sued for their ideas.'' According to court documents from the ACLU, the case raises ''profoundly important questions under the First Amendment,'' because NAMBLA is not being sued for making any particular statements, but simply for creating an ''environment'' that encourages sexual abuse.

''What they don't like is what NAMBLA stands for,'' said John Reinstein, legal director of the Massachusetts chapter of the ACLU. ''They don't like their ideas or the notion that someone else would have accepted them,'' he told the Boston Globe."

Those monsters out there who preach 'sex after eight it's too late' don't endanger public safety? Why, they just exchange "ideas" that are putrid and revolting. Surely that doesn't endanger America's children who are the targets of those ideas from heinous monsters who steal their childhood and turn their heads into an emotional wasteland. I guess the ACLU chooses to ignore how many illegal aliens are child sex predators that have already molested and murdered:

How many more tears? How many more funerals?

Violent Sexual Predators Who Are Illegal Aliens -   A note about that column. It was written by the late Dr. Madeleine Cosman. Another radical extremist fringe group, the Southern "Poverty" Law Center, went after Dr. Cosman as they do anyone who dares to challenge the lies and propaganda spewed forth by the "mainstream" media (print and electronic) and cable TV networks.

For example:

Operation Predator: Targeting child exploitation and sexual crimes

Non Citizen Predators

"Three-quarters of the arrests under Operation Predator have been arrests of non-citizen sex offenders whose crimes make them removable from the United States. Others must serve their sentences before being removed from the United States. These predators have included New Jersey, New York, and California men who repeatedly molested their own daughters as well as an Austrian-national soccer coach convicted of fondling a mentally impaired minor."


Non-citizen means illegal alien.


Each day, approximately 93 sex offenders and 12 serial sex offenders cross the US border.[2] They are on the hunt for your daughter, grand daughter, grand son or you. Age doesn't seem to matter as I pointed out in a recent column. Those animals have raped 80 year old grandma's.


The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes
Committed by Illegal Immigrants in the United States


Murder and other forms of violence are out of control in the State of Arizona, yet the ACLU condemns their state legislature and governor of Arizona for taking long overdue steps to protect their citizens. Never mind how many of these illegals are disease ridden which IS a public health safety concern. Those criminals are not immigrants. They are leeches who come here to suck off the fruits of your labor and now expect to be rewarded with amnesty courtesy of the usurper and vile senators like Juan McCain and Lindsay Graham who has now been outed.


As Gov. Brewer was signing the bill into law, what was going on outside the capitol?


67 Illegal Immigrants Found in U-Haul Truck

ELFRIDA, Ariz. - "Sixty-seven illegal immigrants were found crammed inside a U-Haul truck near Elfrida, Ariz. about 20 miles north of the U.S.-Mexico border after deputies spotted it driving erratically.

"Cochise County sheriff's spokeswoman Carol Capas said Friday that deputies pulled the U-Haul over Thursday evening, and the driver and front passenger ran out of the vehicle into the desert.

"The two, believed to be smugglers, got away. Meanwhile, deputies found 67 illegal immigrants in the back of the 26-foot truck."


67 criminals in just one truck. No background on any of these illegals; health, criminal or otherwise. And the American Communist Lawyers Union thinks the new law endangers public safety? It is any wonder that outside the world of the fools who support them, the rest of us find the ACLU a vile, anti-American operation?


Racial profiling

While 62% of illegals are Mexicans, illegal aliens come from many countries to break into our house:


In the eye of the 'illegals' storm


"The Irish Lobby for Immigration Reform's inaugural meeting on a wretched January night at Rory Dolan's Bronx bar has already become part of New York's Irish community folklore. "It's a bit like the 1916 Rising," quips Ciaran Staunton, O'Dowd's brother-in-law and vice-chairman of the ILIR. "There were 300,000 in the GPO that day too."

"That night, O'Dowd proposed a campaign to secure visas for the 25,000 to 50,000 illegal Irish workers in the US, someone pointed out that Washington was in no humour to hand out visas to illegal workers, O'Dowd shot back immediately that the undocumented Irish in the Bronx were in plenty of humour to receive them. The ILIR was up and running.

"The political apparatus that was used to secure the Donnelly and Morrison visas of the eighties was dusted off, oiled and put to work. Within weeks it resembled a very small, very efficient presidential campaign. In March, 2,400 Irish illegals took buses to a rally in Washington, where they were greeted by 2008 presidential contenders Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and Senator John McCain. Senators Ted Kennedy and Chuck Schumer were amongst the high-profile senators who pledged their support to the 2,400 illegal Irish who demanded the right to "earned legalisation".


"A dozen Congressional lawmakers, Republican and Democrat, fell over each other in the rush to declare their support for the Irish illegals. "It would never have happened without Niall," Staunton says. "He doesn't care whose name is on the green card. The Donnelly visas were signed by Ronald Reagan, the Morrison's by Bush Sr and the Adams visa by Bill Clinton. He'll work with whoever can deliver."


I wish I had a list of those Republican and Democrats who "fell over each other" to support individuals who violated federal immigration law by sneaking into the country.


2,400 illegals "demand" a non existent right. Those illegals from Ireland are the same legal flavor of criminal as an illegal from Guatemala.


About 120,000 illegal aliens per year are from commie China, a half million from the Republic of Georgia and another 750,000 from the Philippines and South America.


The Irish are known for their beautiful, milky white skin. Asians are distinguishable from other races because God chose different colors and features for mankind. Are law enforcement going to pull over every person with milky white skin or with Asian features and demand their citizenship documents? Hardly. Advocates for illegal aliens and their mouthpieces like the ACLU seem to forget that state troopers and other law enforcement are all races: Caucasian, Negro, Asian, Hispanic. They are out there to do their job which is uphold the law. Should Irish and Asian illegals start squawking about racial profiling even though the officer questioning them is of the same race?

Let us not forget the roughly 150,000 illegals from middle Eastern countries. They are criminals just like all the rest. We know some of them are terrorists who have been running cells in this country. Yet, the bleeding hearts want to put everyone at risk with their mewling about racial profiling. In case it has been overlooked, many of the verified hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi's.

The American people have had it with law enforcement getting killed by illegal aliens as well as thousands of Americans per year -- and those are only the ones we know were committed by illegals. So many go unsolved.

The hawking of the racial profile hysteria is just more marketing to get this law overturned. However, it seems an appellate court issued a recent decision that should help law enforcement with their real concerns about getting sued for asking for identification with probable cause:

ESTRADA; ESTRADA; MUСOZ; AQUINO; RIVERA; TAMUP; BURGOS; URIZAR; TEBALAN; NORIEGA; CRUZ; VILAVICENCIO

Plaintiffs, Appellants,
v.

STATE OF RHODE ISLAND, State Police Department; STEVEN M. PARE, individually and in his official capacity as Superintendent of the Rhode Island State Police; C. THOMAS CHABOT, individually and in his official capacity as a state trooper employed by the State of Rhode Island,

Defendants, Appellees,

JANE DOE, individually and in her official capacity as a state trooper employed by the State of Rhode Island,

Defendant

Case No. 09-1149, United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit, decided February 4, 2010

Fifteen men in a van stopped by a state trooper. He felt he had probable cause to ask for identification. Some of the illegals admitted right there they were here here illegally and on their way to work at jobs that belong to the people of Rhode Island. The trooper calls ICE and the illegals rightfully get hauled off and jailed. Those criminals who could care less about our laws and stealing jobs from the people of Rhode Island. They sued to go after the deep pockets of state law enforcement, but the cost is borne by the taxpayers.

This case addressed racial profiling in detail. The lower court sided with the defendants. The illegals appealed and the First Circuit upheld the lower court's ruling. The illegals lost. I invite you to read the decision so you can urge your state lawmakers to get the same bill passed in your state - even if they have to call an emergency session. This is an emergency. The lawsuits to over turn Arizona's new law will be filed soon, make no mistake. This should not deter other state legislatures from doing as Arizona has: Stand up to these militant pro-illegal organizations and corrupt politicians who support illegal aliens.

Illegal means illegal regardless of country of origin.

The criminals in the above cited case claimed their Fourth Amendment rights were violated. Illegal aliens are not citizens, so why do we the people put up with giving these illegals rights? It makes an absolute mockery out of citizenship and further reinforces in my opinion what Leo Donofrio wrote about citizenship.[3]

The next challenge is to get rid of this hoax called 'anchor babies.' The authors of the Fourteenth Amendment never meant what the federal courts have been shoving down our throats: That babies born on U.S. soil of an illegal automatically become citizens. That's hooey. Too bad the corrupt Outlaw Congress didn't start removing federal judges a decade ago for rubber stamping the rape of we the people to fund hundreds of billions of dollars every year to support those criminals and their off spring. YOUR vote for any incumbent in Congress tells them you approve of their refusal to shut down the border years ago and stop this nonsense:

Calif. School Targets Mexican Students

"Every day along the 1,952-mile border, children from Mexico cross into the United States and attend public schools. No one keeps statistics on how many. Citizenship isn't the issue for school officials; district residency is.

"The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled illegal immigrants have a right to an education, so schools don't ask about immigration status. But citizens and illegal immigrants alike can't falsely claim residency in a school district."

The Supreme Court has given non existent rights to those who have no right to even be in this country. The Supreme Court says you, your children and grand children must work your arse off to fund an education for an illegal alien because it's their "right". I say bull. Neither Supreme Court Justices or Federal Judges are given automatic employment for the rest of their lives. It is Congress - your incumbent and mine - that has refused to remove activist judges from the bench because they are gutless or because those activist judges are making rulings your incumbent wants to further their agenda.

In the meantime, 12-14 Americans will die today at the hands of an illegal. Perhaps it will be you in the wrong place at the wrong time. Either driving drunk, during a robbery or rape, more Americans WILL die today because of an illegal alien.

Another baby, adolescent or teen will be raped by one of those animals here illegally out roaming your city or town? No?

Take a good look at this beautiful 15-year old girl. Raped and murdered by two animals:



"Alejandro Emeterio "Alex" Rivera Gamboa, 24, and Gilberto Javier Arellano-Gamboa, 23 have admitted to being in the US illegally, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Rivera Gamboa was issued an Oregon ID card and avoided deportation even though he has been arrested for drunk driving four times since 2000."

Can't happen in your area?

27 Cases of Illegal Alien Sexual Assault Against Children in 30 days.

Dozens of American lives and families will be destroyed today because of the illegals invasion that remains unchecked.





Have we had enough?

Footnotes

[1] 21 Arrested in Immigration Raids at Ariz. McDonald's
[2]: Illegal Immigration Crisis Fact Sheet
[3]  The Complete File - Scroll down to Fourteenth Amendment

Arizona's New Law - Senate bill passed
Video: 700 illegals smuggling themselves across the border in only 40 days

1 - Why haven't these state legislators been indicted?
2 - $338.3 Billion Paid to Service America's Illegal Aliens
3 - Immigration and the SPLC: How the Southern Poverty Law Center
Invented a Smear, Served La Raza, Manipulated the Press,
and Duped its Donors
4 - ACLU fulfilling communist agenda
5 - Crime victims of illegal aliens
6 - Owner, employee of Miami language school charged with immigration fraud
ICE special agents also administratively arrest 81 student visa violators
7 - 2 illegal aliens beat, rape elderly couple, steal car



Devvy Kidd authored the booklets, Why A Bankrupt America and Blind Loyalty; 2 million copies distributed. Devvy appears on radio shows all over the country. She left the Republican Party in 1996 and has been an independent voter ever since. Devvy isn't left, right or in the middle; she is a constitutionalist who believes in the supreme law of the land, not some political party.

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[speedfunk]

It is unconstitutional.  Simple as that.  I guess as your the "right" ethnicity , oh wait what happens is when your not?  What happens when they pull you over for no reason other then the way you look.  How would that make feel?

Imagine the nerve of the immigrants.... right?  We were here first damn it !  Oh yeah..the indians... I wonder if we had legal papers at the time when we slaughtered them.

[peternap]

I'm surprised/shocked at the cavalier mention of shooting people, if even in jest.

Why would that surprise you considering some of the posts recently.

[NM_Shooter]

I think we should lead by example.  We should make our Whitehouse resident prove he is an American or send him back to Kenya. 


Why are we worried about Mexicans? 

ROTFL!!!!!

[NM_Shooter]

It is unconstitutional.  Simple as that.  I guess as your the "right" ethnicity , oh wait what happens is when your not?  What happens when they pull you over for no reason other then the way you look.  How would that make feel?

Imagine the nerve of the immigrants.... right?  We were here first damn it !  Oh yeah..the indians... I wonder if we had legal papers at the time when we slaughtered them.

Read the law.  This has nothing to do with who the cops pull over. 

Is it unconstitutional to ask a 18 year old to show ID when he tries to purchase alcohol?

[peternap]

It is unconstitutional.  Simple as that.  I guess as your the "right" ethnicity , oh wait what happens is when your not?  What happens when they pull you over for no reason other then the way you look.  How would that make feel?

Imagine the nerve of the immigrants.... right?  We were here first damn it !  Oh yeah..the indians... I wonder if we had legal papers at the time when we slaughtered them.

Read the law.  This has nothing to do with who the cops pull over. 

Is it unconstitutional to ask a 18 year old to show ID when he tries to purchase alcohol?

I agree NM and the law says that they have to have some reason to think they may be illegal aliens. Probable Suspicion satisfies the Terry Stop requirement and if they can't or won't speak English, it would certainly be a good indication they shouldn't be here.

The ultimate solution is allow everyone to ask for proof of residency. I have to prove I live in my county before I can use the county dump. If illegals were refused housing, school, God Forbid...Welfare, drivers licenses, jobs and anything else...they'd stay home.

Talking about shooting them is plain wrong. Many are worthless creatures but many are also just trying to better themselves. If we are allowed to shoot people just because I didn't want them here, I'd be tempted to start with a lot of natural born Americans just to clean the place up.

[MountainDon]

Well put, Peter.