Update on Japanese nuclear plant disaster

[John Raabe]

This is a pretty well trusted source of accurate information.

http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20110315-red-alert-radiation-rising-and-heading-south-japan?utm_source=redalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110315&utm_content=readmore&elq=539fc09252d240cfb280c9f8e370a5f9

This is a series of diagrams that show what happens and what can go wrong inside a nuclear reactor.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/12/world/asia/the-explosion-at-the-japanese-reactor.html?ref=asia

[Windpower]

More information here from nuclear scientists and engineers

http://allthingsnuclear.org/tagged/Japan_nuclear

[glenn kangiser]

Thanks for the further information.   I have been following this as I work in the Bay area.  We have many student friends from Japan. 

[ScottA]

What I want to know is how the hell do they plan to fix this mess?

[rwanders]

I've been wondering where our local (and beloved) conspiracy theorists are? By this time they should have detected a vast conspiracy led by the CIA or the Masons or Tri-Laterals or you pick'um from their everlasting inventory of secret societies as a devious plan to further the "new world order".  Surely, this ongoing tragedy couldn't be due to a simple convergence of the dangers of the natural world and human activities including our usual miscalculations and simple operational errors.

Whether we like it or not, the world is a dangerous place---no one has ever made it out of here alive.

When the media eventually runs out of sensational headlines and lead-ins by talking heads, we will finally get to hear about the heroic efforts by the Japanese counterparts of our 911 first responders and the incredible stoicism and courage of the Japanese people facing this disaster. Humanity has survived countless disasters in our time on earth----this too shall pass.

[Windpower]

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What I want to know is how the hell do they plan to fix this mess?
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scary Scott

I heard that the radiation level in the containment buildings was at the point of lethality in minutes

pump in concrete ?



there were 30 (IIRC) men that sacrificed themselves to contain Chernobyl -- they all died within a month
There are men now doing this at Fukushima --- true heroes


we need to pray for them and their families

Glenn the information is very confused -- no one seems to really know (or be willing to say) what is really happening

an anectdotal report from Urbansurvival. com has a major news organization evacuating from Tokyo to Australia or Hong Kong ---admitting that they were not reporting the real news ...

[glenn kangiser]

I watched some of the CNN news at the motel last night before getting on the net....and (Pseudonym?) Anderson Cooper mouthed the same nothing for a long time before I shut him off and went to the net.

RW.... the main conspiracy guy with info doesn't seem to be credible and is probably working to spread disinformation and make the ones who can see the conspiracies look crazy so I will pass on this one for now until there is credible information.  

If you come up with something good please jump right in here though.... .

[Windpower]

US Navy Capt. Eric Gardner announces the evacuation of US military from Japan

"Women and children first"

(scroll down for video)

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/17/134617124/live-blog-disaster-in-japan-thursdays-latest

[glenn kangiser]

Not looking so good there.  Last night I read that power was restored to one set of pumps... today none have power.... bummer.

[considerations]

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/18/japan-quake-live-blog-nissan-monitoring-car-exports-for-radiation/?hpt=T2


[1:39 p.m. ET Friday, 2:39 a.m. Saturday in Tokyo] Monitors in Sacramento, California, have detected a small amount of radioactive material from the earthquake-struck nuclear power plant in Japan, an official with the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization said. The exact amounts were not available, but were far less than what would be considered harmful to human health, the official said.

[Windpower]

on-line radiation monitoring network

http://www.radiationnetwork.com/

and here


http://www.blackcatsystems.com/RadMap/map.html

[glenn kangiser]

Big deals are being made about the pills, but Lugol's Iodine will protect the thyroid gland also.  It may still be available as fewer know about it.

Amazon still had some.

Knowing government, if you wait until they tell you to take it or heed their never-mind advice after they already said it was a good idea,  it just means they are stalling so they can get theirs first.

There's your conspiracy, RW..... the conspiracy to prevent the lower and middle class from getting the iodide that belongs to the upper class... looks like they are using the sold out media to keep it from us...

http://www.squidoo.com/lugols-iodine-solution

[Windpower]

I have been monitoring CNN for a couple hours

there has been no mention of the base evacuations

They were even talking about evacuations of people around the plant -- no mention of the base evacuations

I think this is significant

From Stars and Stripes

The Navy said Thursday afternoon it would start evacuating families from Naval Air Facility Atsugi and Yokosuka Naval Base, near Tokyo. A few hours later, officials at Misawa Air Base, in northern Japan, did the same. Camp Zama, a U.S. Army facility near Tokyo, said it was allowing families and non-essential workers to voluntarily leave.
In a radio address Thursday afternoon, Col. Otto Feather, 374th Airlift Wing commander, said he expects Yokota Air Base to join the list soon.

[glenn kangiser]

I hate being right...

Feds Seize all supplies

http://offgridsurvival.com/potassiumiodidesupplies/

A number of stores across the west coast are reporting that they are completely sold out. And a pharmacist at a Walgreen's in California told us that they would not be getting anymore because the government has seized all supplies.

[glenn kangiser]

Windpower, I read about the base evacuations somewhere else either last night or this morning.  Don't remember where but it was not mainstream... they were sending out women and children first to South Korea then higher up the ladder as it went.

Searching it seems it is the same source your article is from..can't find the original link.

[rwanders]

There's your conspiracy, RW..... the conspiracy to prevent the lower and middle class from getting the iodide that belongs to the upper class... looks like they are using the sold out media to keep it from us...

Glenn-----did you ever hear; "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" ?  Quoting a survivalist website who quotes an unnamed Walgren's pharmacist as proof of anything only proves that Barnum was right----"there's a sucker born every minute". Interesting that anyone or anything that supports an existing opinion is always accepted without any supporting basis-----anything to the contrary is always discarded as obviously part of a conspiracy.

[glenn kangiser]

Well... could be some lingering around and I guess we will just have to wait and see how soon it is replenished. [ouch]

[Windpower]

Glenn

here is the youtube of Capt. Eric Gardner announcing the evacuation -- his delivery would not make me feel safe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAo7YlU-eWk&feature=player_embedded

[glenn kangiser]

Thanks, Windpower.  Looks like he is not feeling too good about it to me.

BTW, RW, have you got your potassium Iodide tablets yet?  You may not need them at all but you may need them tomorrow.  Shipping is generally a day or two minimum.

If you haven't I would appreciate it if you let us know how easy it is to get.  

From what I see, what the government hasn't got the scalpers do have.

A new store opened offering 14 tablets for $29.95 plus $7.50 shipping - same identical thing from the rest go from $40 +$5 shipping to $184.99.

Dose is 130 mg per day or one of these per day.  These are full dose but many we found are 10% of that requiring 10 pills per day.

[glenn kangiser]

Found this - don't know of the accuracy - can't make any medical recommendations as to fitness for anything other than may be safe to eat.... [ouch]



Foods containing Iodide- didn't find much about quantities req'd..posted as information only..... gk

Iodized Salt 54    I read that this is referring to 80 tsp of Iodized salt - daily dose would be 160 tsp.  or more so not practical... Verify if you can - We don't have iodized salt as we use Real Salt..gk

Seasoned Salt 40
Sun Evaporated Salt 30
Uniodized Salt 19
U.S. Drinking Water 8
Beef Liver 325
Turkey 132
Chicken 67
Hamburger 44
Asparagus 169
Broccoli 90
White Onion 82
Corn 45
Brussel Sprouts 23
Peas 13
Tomatoes 10
Idaho Potato 9
Carrots 8
Green Beans 7
Spinach 7
Okra 4
Cheddar Cheese Spread 27
Butter 26
Mozzarella Cheese 13
Homogenized Milk 11
Monterey Jack Cheese 10
Nonfat Dry Milk 7
Sour Cream 7
Cottage Cheese 5
Kelp 1020 Notice how High Kelp Is?
Squid 39
Crab 33
Sole 24
Clams 20
Shark 15
Sea Bass 13
Lobster 9
Oysters 8
Red Snapper 7
Tortilla Chips (w/Sea Salt) 80
Wheat Germ 46
Potato Chips (w/Sea Salt) 40
Orange Juice 18
Almonds 17
Oats 16
Pretzels 15
Apple 8
Vegetable Shortening 7
White Bread 8
Pear 4
Coca-Cola 3
Hershey's Milk Chocolate 2
Sugar 2

Now the Bad News: XXX ___POISON___XXX Synthetic Iodide
Betadine Povodine

[Windpower]

http://www.kirotv.com/news/27248974/detail.html

The USO said about 200,000 U.S. personnel are being evacuated from Japan to U.S. West Coast cities including San Diego, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Seattle/JBLM.

[glenn kangiser]

More indication that our military doesn't think it looks so good over there.  Must be pretty serious, as we hardly ever leave a country once we occupy it....

I guess it also indicates they think the West Coast is far enough.

[Windpower]

Yeah I think the 5000 miles will dilute the radiation alot before it gets to the west coast

but it doesn't seem to be getting much better


http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,14926992,00.html






Workers at the quake-stricken Fukushima nuclear power plant in Japan were evacuated on Monday after gray smoke was seen rising from reactor 3, which is among the most badly damaged at the six-reactor complex, a plant spokesman said.

The workers had only been pulled out of the immediate area around the reactor and not from the whole plant.

At 3:55 p.m. local time (6:55 p.m. GMT), a "light gray plume of smoke" rose from the fuel storage pool of reactor number 3, a Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) spokesman told reporters.

"Due to this problem, the operator temporarily pulled out the workers, while checking on the condition of the site," the spokesman said.

The smoke ceased shortly afterwards, but smoke was then observed rising from reactor 2.

[John Raabe]

These are powerful before and after photos with a sliding bar between the two. (From NY Times)

You can see what has happened to the nuclear plant and its four main reactors as well as other areas of the country.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/13/world/asia/satellite-photos-japan-before-and-after-tsunami.html



Notice the dates in the upper corners.

[ScottA]

It's all under control, nothing to see here. By the way there's no more oil in the gulf either. Now back to more Faux News.