Started by glenn kangiser, January 30, 2005, 10:24:03 PM
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QuoteRegarding Native Americans and Poison Oak sensitivity: From a justice standpoint I like the speculation about telling the whites they should smoke it. However, at least in parts of California, the people did not avoid poison oak. Baskets (including food baskets) were made with the stems by several peoples in Central California. The Karok (and probably others in northwestern CA) used the twigs as spits for smoking salmon steaks, and the leaves for covering bulbs being cooked in an earth oven.The Karok claim that they are not affected by it. According to the Yuki, full-blooded Indians are immune, but half-white folks are not.References:Curtin, Leonora Scott. 1957. "Some Plants Used by the Yuki Indians of Round Valley, Northern California." Masterkey. 31: 40-8, 85-94.Merrill, Ruth E. 1923. "Plants Used in Basketry by the California Indians." Univ. of Cal. Publ. in Am. Archaeology and Ethnography. 20: 235.Schenck, Sara M. and E.W. Gifford. 1911?. "Karok Ethnobotany." Anthropological Records. 13: 385.Some of the Karok would eat a small leaf each year to confer immunity, but this may be a post-contact development, and might only refer to people of mixed blood. The informant who gave this information agreed with Schenk and Gifford's other informant that the Karok were not sensitive to it.> But I'll update the site to include this info, that the Karok and Yuki Indians> were immune in general.Or claimed to be. It is possible that the immunity is exaggerated in the telling as one of the things that separates the "strong, healthy" (and proud of it) full-blooded Californians vs. the "weak, sickly" half-blooded. It does seem clear that the sensitivity was lower than that of most of us, though.> I bet *some* of them weren't so lucky though, but> I have no idea.)My feeling, too. I'm guessing that the percentage of California natives sensitive to urushiol is drastically lower than Euro-americans, but not zero. I came across figures somewhere that approximately 80% of "people" were sensitive from first exposure, and that about 90% of the rest of us who start out immune eventually develop sensitivity.
QuoteETIQUETTEBecause Poison Oak is one of the worst afflictions mankind must suffer, there must be rules of etiquette for dealing with it.IF YOU HAVE NEVER HAD POISON OAK: * You may not joke about it. * You cannot say, "Don't you know what it looks like?" * You may not offer your advice on how to treat it. * You must show nothing but sympathy, and if it is feigned it must seem genuine. * Absolutely no smirking! * You are not allowed to intimate that the person who has Poison Oak deserved it, or is afflicted due to incompetence on their part. IF YOU ARE IMMUNE: * All the above rules apply to you. * You may never boast of your immunity, and especially never touch poison oak to demonstrate your immunity. I heard of a man who ate a poison oak leaf to show off. This is a justifiable motive for homicide. * If you cannot follow the above guidelines, please kill yourself now. IF YOU HAVE HAD POISON OAK: * You must show sympathy, and tell anecdotes about how bad you had it. * You may joke and laugh, as long as you make it known that you feel very deep sorrow at the affliction. * Feel free to imply that all immune people should be exterminated off the face of the earth.
Quote1. You don't really need to eat any more just for the rest of us... but if you do, why not a video? 2. I can easily believe that some people, because of genetics, are immune to poison oak. There are many things that can be found to afflict (or not) certain groups of people that can be traced to genetics.
QuoteHi PEG, #1: I have decided though, that the next move I make, there will only be one box, and it'll be me in it. #2: Keep an ear open for the sound of that bobcat mate, and be ready to duck. He told me he was digging a tunnel so watch out he may be coming underground
Quote Man -- a guy can't leave this forum unattended to get some work done for two minutes. All of the sudden I come back and PEG and Jonesy are tearing up my thread. Just chauk it up to thread drift, some one once told me it was a good thing
Quote Lets see --- I need to eat poison oak. I need to do the video so PEG will know I really am crazy. :-/quote] Oh no need for futher proof Glenn there are ample case in points in the misc. section.
Quote I see I still haven't convinced you yet, PEG. I must try harder. :-/