Mumbai. Terrorism 2.0 ?

[MountainDon]

Hmmm. Nobody has anything to say on this one?

Right off I must admit I have not followed the news on this. Our Thanksgiving time up at the mountain cabin was spent in hectic moving, then relaxing, hiking, playing and enjoying ourselves, not worrying about what was happening half a world away. Maybe that's what everyone was doing?

Is this the next stage of what to expect? Well planned guerrilla like attacks from out of nowhere, anywhere and everywhere? They seemed to have been after Americans, Brits and Jews, but did not worry much about who was killed actually. Who's going to be finally blamed? Certainly not the current or future US administration?

[glenn kangiser]

Where did RDX come from?
By Maqbool Malik September 22, 2008

ISLAMABAD - The explosives used in targeting the Marriott Hotel has raised many eyebrows regarding availability of explosives on this scale and their outsourcing for this kind of attack.

Background discussions with explosives experts revealed that availability of explosives on this large scale was not possible from the local market and they believed that this was the handiwork of foreign forces deployed in Afghanistan.
www. nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily- english-online/Politics/22-Sep-2008/ Where-did-RDX-come-from

Some think there are CIA and Mossad links.  Maybe a wait and see.

[glenn kangiser]

Looks like India says Pakistan did it and Al Queda is out of it.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/media-forced-to-backtrack-on-al-qaeda-link-to-mumbai-attacks.html

[ScottA]

I'm still trying to figure this one out. Looks like someone wants india and pakistan in a war. But it starts look like at least some of the attackers are homegrown in india.

[glenn kangiser]

It is very common for CIA, Mossad types etc. to influence each side toward the other so it will look different than it really is.

Pakistan is an enemy of Israel and some think they will be blamed to justify the US  going after them.  I can't post links to this one but check it out.  That is the way these false flags are meant to work. 

I only bring this up to help understand why this may be happening.  Dual Citizens run our country or you will note that ones who are not sympathetic to Israel, have not been to the wailing wall are not offered as choices.  I'm not putting anyone down or being anti-Semitic.  Just bringing up facts about why we get involved in a lot of things. 

Israeli influence greatly increased in this election with a dual citizen and highly suspected Mossad agent from Clinton days (Was to hot for Bill to keep and was demoted from the Clinton admin) Rahm Emanuel  as Chief of Staff at the White House.

There are not a lot of facts out there on this, but this is one way many are looking at what is really going on here.  Still more wait and see though.

[ScottA]

That could be Glenn but it's also possible someone is trying to undermine the current government in India. Also makes for a good excuse for martial law? Military takeover?

[muldoon]

Pakistan is highly unstable right now since the assassination last year and the old dictator recently stepping down.  They have nukes, they have dissidents, they have an army with no real leader, they do have terrorists hot spots, and many many poor starving people.  The speculation has been that the political pressure was US based in order to put someone in power more "west friendly".  Since she was killed only her son has really stepped up.  They are not really playing ball internationally it seems (oil pipelines and IMF wants to privatize (read plunder) the natural resources. 

It's a powder keg for disaster. 

[glenn kangiser]

India's 9/11. Who was Behind the Mumbai Attacks?
Washington is Fostering Political Divisions between India and Pakistan

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20081129&articleId=11217

[taveuni13]

I still think sometimes that a lot of these kinds of things are mostly just desperate acts by desperate people.  By elevating terror to a "war", we make what are simply criminals into "warriors" and thus provide a greater political base of support for them.  This type of "war" is un-winable in a militaristic sense unless we all submit to a police state.  I think sometimes we need to focus more on what makes people desperate and less on the symptoms of desperation.  Cool, hi-tech India has gotten a lot of positive spin in Western media, but there are still some tremendous inequities in their society which they still handle poorly at best.

[glenn kangiser]

I don't think so -

These type of events are likely orchestrated by the people above governments - the ones who engineer events to make change that keeps military and big business in money and places to go - things to do.

These acts can be the result, not so much of desperate people but people who have been occupied, degraded and intruded on, defiled and regarded as dogs buy an occupying nation etc., but when it is advantageous for a country that wants a specific outcome or a reduction in population then it is just business for them to help one side or the other to achieve their desired result with minimal expenditure, burden and loss of life by them... the third party.

In other words it helps our fascist foreign policy and weakens Israel's enemies.

The technology and strategy above that of the local peoples capabilities indicates a false flag operation - something directed by outsiders to look like someone else did it.

[muldoon]

Glen,

I'm not sure if thats really whats going on.  It sure could be a case of hardball around what else is going on in the central bank negotiations with pakistan right now. 

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article5240821.ece

or straight from the source:
http://www.imf.org/external/country/pak/

Alot of money in wars, both sides borrowing to build weapons, pay soldiers, destroy and rebuild things.  There is plenty of validated and verified history to indicate that IMF and world banks are involved in such things. 

I'm not going to weigh in on your hint at Israel involvement because I am not sure the connection is as strong. 

[glenn kangiser]

I probably generalized a bit too much on that, muldoon as there are a lot of unanswered questions and motives on this one.  I keep watching for the world and especially the eastern take on this.

[taveuni13]

These acts can be the result, not so much of desperate people but people who have been occupied, degraded and intruded on, defiled and regarded as dogs buy an occupying nation etc.,

I think we are at least in agreement here.  These are several of the many conditions that create the desperation which can then be taken advantage of for ulterior purposes by other "leaders".  Another source is simply failed economies run by failed ideologies before even being occupied.

But as far as higher-level conspiracies, there may be efforts in this regard but I think history has shown that they often have much less than predicatble outcomes.  The law of unintended consequences reigns.

My point is more that we have been duped into spending $10 billion a month now in Iraq and I can't help but wonder if a more direct injection into the source of poverty and desperation would have dried up the well of desperation from which these terrorist leaders draw.  But then we don't have such a clear "enemy" to feel superior than, and this doesn't fill the coffers of military contractors.

[apaknad]

most of the worlds problems would be eliminated if people were:

A-fed

B-have a shelter/clothed

C-employed so there is a sense of self worth/having land to farm

D-treated w/respect

our Lord could have conquored the world with just a thought if he had wanted to. instead he showed us a different example.

[ScottA]

This thing is starting to look like an inside job designed to put india on a war footing. Ofcourse the US is backing India and encouaging them to demand justice from Pakistan.

[glenn kangiser]

Looks like a setup false flag like 9/11.

http://www.daily.pk/politics/politicalnews/8416-5-points-that-destroy-indias-latest-mumbai-fairytale.html

[glenn kangiser]

More on the attackers -left out of most press

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=26233

[glenn kangiser]

They're not blind.  As I mentioned in #4 post above

Al-Qaeda is a front organization of CIA and MOSSAD

Vaguely related to this thread.....

http://www.effedieffe.com/content/view/5506/183/