Quit Voting

[Heather]

As we get closer to the Presidential election, I hear more and more people worrying about
who will get their vote. They are unhappy with the choices being offered to them
by the Republicans and the Democrats. I often here plans to vote for a member
of one the small "fringe" groups; the Reform Party, the Libertarians, the
Constitutionalists etc. Or suggestions that a candidate be written in. These people
understand that they are not going to see the person they vote for elected,
but they feel they are making a statement against the system.

I would like to point out the statement we end up making. The laws concerning write
in votes are varied, where they are allowed there is procedure that must
be followed for the vote to count at all. When we vote for candidates of one of the
smaller parties, or we write in a vote, we are not making a stand against the
system. We giving our approval to the system. Our vote will not matter in the
way we intended, but it will matter in the overall vote count. When tallying
the votes a percentage of votes cast is needed, without it calls into question
the entire election. This why, both parties, the government in general, works
so hard at putting out the "get out and vote" message. They need your vote, whatever
it may be.

If you are unhappy with what is being offered to you, stay home in November,
do not sanction this system.

[glenn kangiser]

Heather, you make a lot of sense.  Part of the reason for the sham vote system is to make people feel responsible for what the criminals in office are doing.  That shuts them up.

Another reason is that it satisfies some into believing they have and made a choice.  That keeps them quiet -- even though they were limited to a couple of unacceptable choices.

The safeguards put into the republic (not democracy- as in The Republic for which it stands ) have all been pretty well destroyed by illegal presidential signing orders by a man in office who has really never been legitimately elected.

It would not even surprise me if he managed to pull off another disaster and decided to hang around a while after the "election".

Note that the voting computers are 100% unreliable and the paper ballots are counted by people with agendas, besides not having a real choice. 

You say yeah but it's the only thing we've got?   See there --- you gave into the system already.

At least you will be satisfied by going in there and making a token vote that does nothing, but still, it makes you feel good doesn't it?

Note -- this is not addressed to anyone at all -- It's just my short list of things to think about.

Well -- I'll probably catch it for that.

[Heather]

That is just it Glenn. For so long I bought in to the whole, "it's the only thing we've
got" idea and nonsense of "if you don't vote, you can't complain".

If we only work with the choices given to us, then they are not really choices are they?javascript:void(0);

Kind of like when you offer your child the red shirt or the green shirt, so they don't wear
that awful blue shirt again. You are contolling what choices they make, but still giving them
some choice so they feel satisfied and in control.

I won't blame all our current problems on our current man in office. It goes much further
back than that, which I'm sure you know. I place the blame at our own complacent feet.

[Sassy]

So true, Heather.     Never really thought about not having enough people vote - but then they'd probably just declare martial law until decisions were made...  and they'd be in no hurry to do that, either...   

[Heather]

That could be a possibility Sassy. Although we seem to be inching ever closer
to that state anyway, I suppose it would nice to have some control over
arriving at it. 

I seen several suggestions on what would happen, martial law being one of them.
Or possibly Pelosi would temporarily get it, or Congress would appoint someone,
or the Electorate College would appoint someone from the candidates.

I can't say for certain what would happen, but I can say for certain I work hard
at making sure the choices I make are my own. I am a fully capable, thinking adult
I do not need my choices narrowed down, and semi-decided for me. Unless it's wall color,
and well then I might need help.

[glenn kangiser]

Careful Heather.  I'm about to have to give you a "Not a team player" tag.  Thinking for yourself.  Where did you go wrong? hmm

[Heather]

Thank you for the tag offer, but isn't needed - I made my own.

[NM_Shooter]

I wish I had the option of one of the following:

1)  Either be able to cast a vote for a person.
2)  Be able to cast a vote against a person.

We just had our primaries here on Tuesday.  I voted for Ron Paul 

[Sassy]

   way to go!!!!!

[Heather]

Here is some more information for anyone that might be interested
in non-voting. 

http://www.strike-the-root.com/vote.html

[sparks]

As long as I have the priviledge to vote.....I will.

and that's all i have to say about that.

[considerations]

I want to get rid of superdelegates and the electoral college.  They stand in the way of my voice.

That being said, I still think that if I don't vote I have no right to bitch about the outcome.

[glenn kangiser]

You are only taught to think that through many years of government propaganda, Considerations.  They want you to feel you made a choice and they want you to feel responsible for the war crimes etc. they commit - be complicit - an accessory to the crimes.  Then you will be less likely to complain or be a dissident, and will likely agree that you voted so it is OK for them to rip off the country.

[considerations]

Perhaps, Glenn, but I've always found it difficult to fix a problem if I wasn't present. 

This one, I don't think we can hire out. 

Heartsick though I may be about the needless death and destruction of the last 8 years, I still cannot imagine living in any other country. 

I better stop there, you never know who's watching these days.

[glenn kangiser]

That's true -- all of it.

It's not the new country I want -- it's to get back to that god damned piece of paper (per dubya, as it interferes with his plans) - The Constitution of The United States of America.

I'm at the point that if they want me- they know where they can find me.  I'll say what I want.  They will have to take my freedom of speech physically away from me.

[Pox Eclipse]

You are only taught to think that through many years of government propaganda, Considerations. 

Yeah, them and their flags with gold fringe!

[glenn kangiser]

You mean the Maritime flag the court system is run under since the official US went out of business years ago -- the one we all agree to pretend to be under and that the laws are real -   

I'm not totally up on this but lets see if I can find some info.

OK it seems when you enter the court with the gold rimmed flag you are under Admirality law - a Maritime court - Not constitutional law -- they are slipping one over on us.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm

I have read of this but not studied in depth.