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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #75 on: May 16, 2018, 08:13:59 AM »
As I'm working on interior walls today it occurred to me that just as I've provided for a trim option with exterior walls I also need to provide an interior trim option for both interior (int-int) walls and exterior walls (int-ext).

I've added in one extra option in the advanced wall options to toggle interior trim.  I will probably not full flesh this out until after the plugin release but interior trim will probably deal with the following key elements/options:

- Baseboard
- Crown Molding
- Chair Rail
- Wainscot

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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #76 on: May 16, 2018, 11:52:10 AM »
Interior Walls:



A couple of items on today's todo list with regards to interior walls:

- The wall move tool decouples interior wall corners from exterior wall corners, this is intended.
- I still need to add in an algorithm which can sense when an interior wall is Teeing into an ext. or int. wall.  This is important primarily for the move tool and wall creation tool.
- Update interior door casing
- Interior windows (windows that are embedded in an interior wall) are not very common, not sure exactly what to do in this case.  Perhaps just treat as regular window installed in an exterior wall.
- Interior framed openings (without installation of door or window):  These need to be wrapped in gypsum to properly finish them out.
- Added interior trim (baseboard, crown molding, chair rail, wainscoting) to the long term todo list.

That should be it for now.  I may be able to get all this done today if I really hustle and then on to the global settings tomorrow.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #77 on: May 16, 2018, 07:28:21 PM »


Window and Door callouts with the "2D Layout in 3D" option turned on.

Notice that I have parallel projection turned on  in SketchUp.

I apologize for the strange coloration and quality of the image, I'm trying out some new software for taking screen grabs and turning them into animated GIFs.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #78 on: May 19, 2018, 12:17:18 AM »
Straps, holdowns, anchor bolts, threaded rod and couple nuts are now part of the plugin.  More details on that later.  At some point the engineering module will be able to do the entire lateral calcs on a structure with the click of a button and input of a few site criteria parameters.  The idea is to fully automate the engineering of a residential structure, engineers shouldn't have to work this hard.





Tomorrow I will wrap up the global settings and we will release the plugin for beta testing.

I still have quite a bit more stability testing to make sure I have missed any glaring errors but I'm sure the beta testers will help sniff out a lot of those issues.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #79 on: May 20, 2018, 10:49:57 AM »
I've now enabled the "Install Mode" parameter which allows the user to use the "Builtin" window generator/plugin or use one of their own pre-configured windows stored within the "library" sub-folder of the plugin:



Notice that the insertion point can be specified as well as locating within the wall depth by two parameters: 

1.) Window Location:  ON SHEATHING or ON FRAMING, this parameter will offset the location of the window within the wall by the sheathing thickness automatically or place it inline with the wall framing.

2.)  The window location within the wall can be further modified/customized by adjusting the outset with either a positive or negative value.

One thing to note is that the framed opening has no idea what the dimensions of the window or door are, the user must provided the correct width and height for the installed window.  Also note that callout at the base of the wall does not include any specifics on the window installed when in library mode since it does not know whether the window is a picture, single hung, casement etc...

Since this particular library file already has the proper trim and casing as part of the component I have turned off these advanced features for this opening.  If it did not I could alternatively enable both the trim and/or casing within the plugin even though the plugin is not actually drawing the window itself (it is bringing in a third party component instead).

The plugin will automatically populate the library dropdown with any valid SketchUp files found within the sub-folder "library/windows/".

I am now working on the door modules to extend this functionality for doors.

I am also interested in working with other plugin authors so that I can establish an API which will allow the wall plugin to talk to their window/door plugin and automatically pass parameters back and forth so that opening location and size can properly sync with a third party plugin. 

You might also notice that there are two dots shown on the top plate at each end of the wall in this model.  This gives the user indication that holdowns are installed in this wall panel at these locations. In 2D mode these indicators will also be shown even though no hardware is drawn.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #80 on: May 21, 2018, 05:01:54 PM »
Working on updating the global settings to reflect the myriad of settings added to the plugin in the last month.

This is what you will see when you pull up the license tab with a fully licensed plugin:



Notice that there are twelve tabs:

- General (complete)
- Layers (complete)
- Materials
- Sheathing
- Walls
- Doors
- Windows
- Wall Corners (complete)
- Trim
- Insulation
- Holdowns (complete)
- License (complete)

The window and door tabs will have the largest amount of options.  Updating all of these html pages is rather tedious work but it is necessary.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #81 on: May 23, 2018, 05:12:10 PM »
After a few mind numbing hours of parameters the global settings are now up-to-date.  See a screenshot of the door tab below:



There are probably a few more additions that can be made to some of the tabs but I think we are good enough now for the initial release. 

I still have one major item that needs some attention:

Updating of the interior wall algorithm so that it properly detects "Tee" intersections.

I also need to update the door casing for interior walls and add the gypsum wrap for interior walls with framed openings that do not have a window or door installed (ie. plain opening), however these are minor items and can probably be attended to after the initial release.

I have some known issues with the "no frame" option that need to be addressed but should only require a few minutes to remedy.

I will start working on the "Tee" intersection algorithm tonight and hopefully wrap this up tomorrow.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #82 on: May 25, 2018, 03:20:21 PM »
Moving a wall with corner and tee intersections:

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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #83 on: May 25, 2018, 03:40:01 PM »
The current todo list in no particular order:

- Interior Trim (Crown Molding, Baseboards, Chair Rail, Wainscot)

- Garage Doors

- Update door casing for interior walls

- Gypsum wrap for interior wall openings and end walls

- Exterior Cladding Corner Option (Lap and Miter)

- Wall Split Tool

- Wall Join Tool

- Gable / Shed Wall Tool

- Add Glulam Beams to Window and Door Header Options

- Implement Wall Groups (currently you can assign a group letter or number but it is not active)

and of course any other bugs that pop up along the way.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #84 on: May 25, 2018, 10:33:15 PM »
Ladies and Gentleman I give you... The Medeek Wall Plugin

http://design.medeek.com/resources/medeekwallplugin.html



Version 0.7.2 - 05.25.2018

Please do not use the plugin in its current state for any production work.  I am afraid that you may loose data given the potential for bug splats and other issues with the plugin being so newly minted.

Please keep  your ruby console open while using the plugin and feel free to cut and paste any issues to me via email.  As much explanation regarding any errors would also be helpful. 

To be honest I don't feel like I've tested the plugin out nearly enough especially while using metric templates however the pressure to release the plugin now, rather than later was quite overwhelming.

Tomorrow I will begin addressing bugs and also I will begin work on the new todo list.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #85 on: May 26, 2018, 04:30:24 PM »
Had an interesting request for Simpson Strong-Walls to be added to the plugin this morning.  I may entertain this possibility seeing as it probably would not be too hard to add this functionality. 



The addition of elements within the wall other than windows and doors actually is something I've been meaning to give some additional consideration to.  Right off the top the two items I can think of that are similar to windows and doors (at least logistically or from a coding standpoint) are "in wall" columns and posts and specialized panels such as Simpson wood or steel strong-walls or Simpson Moment Frames. In fact, all of these can be essentially treated as door like openings with their own special set of parameters so the wall geometry creation algorithms are already in place to add these elements in.

What other "in wall" elements am I missing here?

With regards to walls and beams, I've often seen situations where the beam is dropped below the floor joists above and is set in a a "beam pocket":



In the situation shown above I probably would have carried the king studs next to the column all the way to the bottom plate but I think the idea his clear.  Some inwall columns are the full height of the wall with the beam resting the on the top plates and some are similar to the situation shown, both must be made available.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #86 on: May 26, 2018, 07:00:44 PM »
Lets start with the columns:

I will need a new Wall Column Toolbar with the following icons and functions:

- Draw Column
- Move Column
- Edit Column
- Delete Column

The possible parameters for the column will be:

Column Name:  Set by Plugin, not user definable (COLUMN1, COLUMN2, COLUMN3 etc...)
Column Location:  Distance from origin of Wall
Column Size:  (2) 2x6, (3) 2x6,  4x6, 6x6, 6x8 6x12, LSL3.5x7.25 etc...
Column Height:  Measured from base of wall (default would be FULL which would make it the same height as the studs in the wall.  A height less than the wall height would create a beam pocket arrangement with two king studs next to the column.
Beam Pocket King Studs:  This option only applies in the situation where there is a beam pocket, NONE, 1, 2, 3.
Vertical Offset (Bottom):  Allow the column to project below the bottom plate so that it can bear more directly on foundation below, see window wall below.  Default value would be zero which would frame it flush with the bottom of the rest of the wall studs.

Here is a window wall I detailed out a couple of year ago, notice the PSL column running the full height of the wall.  One could argue they are not columns but actually the king studs next to the windows, I agree that is a bit of a grey area.  Also  notice the use of the Simpson Wood Strong-Walls, cut to suite for the raked wall and the beam pocket for the central glulam beam that bear on the window header.  Note that this detail is not complete since a number of callouts are missing, probably a screen shot about halfway through the detailing.

It would be nice if the wall plugin were capable of handling a window wall such as this, with stacked windows, columns, beam pockets (that can interact with windows and doors below) and Simpson Strong-Walls.



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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #87 on: May 27, 2018, 12:29:25 AM »
Version 0.7.3 - 05.27.2018
- Fixed a bug which limited window height to only 48 inches.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #88 on: May 27, 2018, 10:25:45 AM »
Toolbar Menus and Icons for the upcoming Columns and Simpson Strong-Wall modules:





With the Strong-Walls the plan is to offer both the steel and the wood varieties.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #89 on: May 28, 2018, 05:55:08 PM »
Two things I should state before further testing:

1.)  Please click on the global settings, visit each tab, familiarize yourself with the various options, turn on layers, materials etc...  I have had a number of questions about why the plugin does not keep the materials assigned to it.  Realize that any manual edits to the wall assembly (group) will be eliminated  once you make any modifications to the wall with the plugin, it has to rebuild the entire assembly from scratch in order to capture any changes made to it, otherwise it cannot be fully parametric and editable. The downside to being fully parametric is that the plugin has full control of the assembly.  If you need manual edits to live with a wall then you have to  place that geometry outside of the wall assembly group, if you place them inside they will be erased on a rebuild. There may be some workaround for this in the future but I haven't quite got that far yet.

Each wall assembly (group) has a fairly extensive library of attributes that are essentially a database for the wall panel.  Every aspect of the wall assembly is defined by a parameter in this database.  The wall panel can be rebuilt from scratch just from this dataset.  The 3D model generated by the plugin  is simply a geometric manifestation of the dataset stored in the attribute library.

2.)  If you have a specific bug to report, please if possible, include any error codes generated within the ruby console.  Without these codes I am running blind and merely guessing in some cases.  Some of the issues I've seen today I am unable to duplicate on my machine so I can't fully address them.  The error codes are critical to my debugging process and ultimately correcting any issues that may exist.  Of course this may not apply to functional types issues involving UI behavior or specific feature requests, I do recognize that.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #90 on: May 28, 2018, 11:15:47 PM »
Version 0.7.4 - 05.29.2018
- Fixed a bug with the wall polyline tool so that the wall line will snap to the X or Y axis.
- Added ZIP Systems(c) 7/16" and 1/2" wall sheathing materials to the sheathing tab of the global settings.
- Added the Z Height option to the wall creation tools. The Z height parameter and option to enable this feature are found in the walls tab of the global settings.
- Created icons and added toolbars for the Simpson Strong-Wall module and the Columns module, both of which are still under construction.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #91 on: May 29, 2018, 11:03:28 PM »
Just when I think I'm starting to figure this thing out it gets a little more complicated.

Take for instance the wall below with the exterior stone wainscoting:



Typically we see stone or brick with a siding or stucco product above it.

So instead of a single type of cladding and cladding thickness on the wall we might have two different types on the same wall panel.

The brick or stone might be up to the windows or even somewhere mid height as shown below:



Any thoughts on this type of construction, preferences or further complicating factors?

I think I basically need to allow for more complicated cladding scenarios.

With brick you often see a rowlock course at the transition:

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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #92 on: May 29, 2018, 11:45:40 PM »
Here is a good example of a stucco structure with a cultured stone wainscot:



Notice the stucco trim just above the wainscoting and then the ledge of stone that projects beyond the wainscoting just below it. 

The additional parameters for a two cladding exterior system (wainscoting) would be:

Exterior Wall Wainscoting: YES/NO
Wainscoting Thickness: in./mm
Wainscoting Air Gap: in./mm
Wainscoting Corners:  Flush/Lap/Miter/Return
Wainscoting Material: Brick/Culture Stone etc...

Wainscoting Height:  in./mm
Wainscoting Ledge/Trim: YES/NO
Ledge Height:  in./mm
Ledge Depth:  in./mm

Also in the Trim Tab another couple of parameters for the Exterior Trim option above the wainscoting:

Wainscoting Trim:  YES/NO
Wainscoting Trim Width:  in./mm

Also notice how the stucco trim around the window and doors meets the wainscoting trim and terminates there. 

Why can't you designers and architects keep things simple, I'm going to have to jump through some hoops to code all of this. :)
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #93 on: May 30, 2018, 06:19:51 AM »
I've already rolled out two revisions since the initial beta release.  Please download, uninstall the older version of the plugin and then install the most current version. 

I've seen some issues with corrupt installations where a newer version is installed on an older version.  You need to uninstall the plugin first before upgrading, that is the safe bet.

Also please check the changelog so you are aware of the updates, even though I do post each update on the board:

http://design.medeek.com/resources/wallpluginchangelog.html

I am still noticing a lot of people sending in comments that they are unable to get materials applied when they have not enabled the auto material assignment in the materials tab of the global settings.

I think what I am going to do is have the plugin set this particular setting to "ON" as the initial default behavior rather than "OFF".  I will make this change live with the next release.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #94 on: May 31, 2018, 05:00:41 AM »
The tee intersection algorithm has been revamped and is now properly cutting out top plates when walls intersect at these intersections:



When a wall gets rebuilt (ie. edited, moved, opening added, or switched between modes) the tee intersection algorithm is run and any intersecting walls will be detected (any walls that are touching the wall in question and have a "tee corner" configuration at that end). 

What this means is that even if you manually move an intersecting wall and slide it along the main wall and then rebuild the main wall the top plate will automatically update with the correct cut out as shown above.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #95 on: May 31, 2018, 06:06:17 AM »
When you delete walls the cutouts on the the top plates are left as you can see in the image below, but a rebuilt of the wall will heal those unnecessary cutouts:

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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #96 on: May 31, 2018, 08:05:33 AM »
Nathaniel, I continue to be impressed with the capabilities of your plugins.  I've used your truss plugin but have not yet tried your wall builder.  One issue I have with the one I currently have installed is that it does not allow for a stud offset.  It looks like your plugin does, which would make quick work of ensuring that sheathing panel edges are aligned with stud centers.

It's not obvious to me in the write-up at http://design.medeek.com/resources/medeekwallplugin.html whether it's a user-settable parameter or simply a feature of the wall-to-wall interaction.  Either way, it sure beats manually tweaking a wall so that the studs are placed the right distance from the building corner.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #97 on: May 31, 2018, 04:52:34 PM »
Version 0.7.5 - 05.31.2018
- Fixed a bug with the callout positioning method to allow for the correct placement of wall opening text.
- Intersecting walls now cut through the top plate of the primary walls at tee intersections.
- Wall cladding and sheathing materials option now added to wall creation tool.
- Default behavior for the Wall Mode parameter added the Walls tab of the global settings (Line or Polyline).
- Added DensGlass™ sheathing material to the sheathing tab of the global settings.
- Began the addition of tooltips to every parameter within the global settings.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #98 on: June 02, 2018, 09:51:55 AM »
This post was prompted by some comments made by a user regarding wall justification and cladding materials.  I think this is important enough that I duplicate my response here as well. 

1.)  The wall justification (front, middle, back) is something I have been treating as a basic property or parameter of the wall.  This morning as I really put on my thinking cap I came to the realization that this is not so.  The justification is only really needed during the wall creation process and once the wall is created there is no justification, the wall just is.

With that being said I need to rework the wall creation tool slightly, it shouldn't be too big of an issue but will require some serious and careful thought.  For now please only use the "FRONT" justification, the other two options are flawed by their very nature.

This may take me a couple days to fully think this through and come up with the correct solution.  Please have patience with me while I work this one out, I need to do it slowly and carefully and get it right.

2.)  I am not satisfied with the current system of applying materials to the wall assembly via the plugin.  Since the plugin completely rebuilds the entire wall panel on any edit or addition of windows or doors it must somehow save the material being used for each element (group) within the attribute library.  It is already setup to do this and works quite well. 

One can also use the edit menu to select from a static list of materials. 

I think a few things could help to make this better:
A.)  The plugin can look at the currently defined materials in the model and give the user the ability to select from any of these materials as well as the hard coded materials within the wall edit menu.

B.) Perhaps and observer or something should be setup so that if the user manually opens up the wall assembly group and assigns a material to the cladding, sheathing or gypsum for a given wall panel this information is then updated within the attribute library.

C.) Provide an interface within the global settings where additional hard coded materials can be added to the existing ones.  The user would upload an image, assign a name and specify the X and Y scaling.
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Re: Wall Plugin for SketchUp
« Reply #99 on: June 02, 2018, 09:53:42 AM »
Nathaniel, I continue to be impressed with the capabilities of your plugins.  I've used your truss plugin but have not yet tried your wall builder.  One issue I have with the one I currently have installed is that it does not allow for a stud offset.  It looks like your plugin does, which would make quick work of ensuring that sheathing panel edges are aligned with stud centers.

It's not obvious to me in the write-up at http://design.medeek.com/resources/medeekwallplugin.html whether it's a user-settable parameter or simply a feature of the wall-to-wall interaction.  Either way, it sure beats manually tweaking a wall so that the studs are placed the right distance from the building corner.

The plugin is setup to position the studs correctly from the corners, this was a big beef of mine as well when using other plugins.  Within the plugin one can also have the studs start from the right or left, so it should be perfectly flexible to your needs.
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