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Re:  Garden thread.
« Reply #100 on: September 10, 2006, 04:05:57 AM »
Hi all.  I'm working on learning how to garden with some small raised beds and few fruit trees in Florida.  Right now I'm fighting an infestation of little green worms that are chewing their way through my cucumber leaves.  Does anyone have a better way of fighting them other than picking them off one by one?
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« Reply #101 on: September 10, 2006, 04:25:28 AM »
I thought I had heard about pepper spray - found this

Garlic & Pepper Spray

Protect your garden plants from cabbageworms, caterpillars, hornworms, aphids, flea beetles and other chewing/sucking insects by routinely using a natural spray that you can make at home. The spray must be applied regularly, especially after a rainfall. Brew up a batch as follows:

6 cloves of garlic
1 Tbsp dried hot pepper
1 minced onion
tsp pure soap (not detergent)
1 gallon hot water

Blend & let sit for 1 - 2 days. Strain & use as spray. Ground cayenne or red hot pepper can also be sprinkled on the leaves of plants (apply when leaves are slightly damp) to repel chewing insects or added to the planting hole with bone meal or fertilizer to keep squirrels, chipmunks, dogs and other mammals away from your gardens. Be sure to reapply after rain.

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Re:  Garden thread.
« Reply #102 on: September 10, 2006, 08:54:25 AM »
That's a neat site, thanks!  I'm going to make up a batch of the pepper spray today.
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« Reply #103 on: September 10, 2006, 10:52:09 AM »
Let us know how it works - I never really tried it -just heard it worked - we have enough frogs in the pond on the roof to keep most of the major pests out of the garden. :)

Might even keep Raccoons out  --although they are kind of fun to chase around the garden at night with a flashlight - did that at 4 this morning
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Re:  Garden thread.
« Reply #104 on: September 13, 2006, 12:52:34 PM »
I tested the garlic/pepper spray on one of my cucumber plants, and after 1 day there was no burning or bugs.  I sprayed the rest of the affected plants today, so we'll see how they do.
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« Reply #105 on: September 13, 2006, 07:27:26 PM »
Great news Peak Engineer-- I'm ready to try some of this on the raccoons ---they have been digging potatoes and vegetables.
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« Reply #106 on: September 13, 2006, 08:34:09 PM »
Yeh, I've worked several hours in the garden the past couple days.  Cleared out a bunch of stuff yesterday to leave room for all the new stuff growing (parsnips, spinach, potatoes, beets, turnips, swiss chard, carrots, tomatoes, flowers) & wouldn't you know it, the raccoons tore up all the new stuff as well as dug up a lot of the potatoes, chewed on them & left them sitting there.   :(  >:( :'(  Don't know what to do with the critters...  :-/  Maybe if they bit into some hot peppers they wouldn't come back  ;D .  They're cute but so pesky...
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« Reply #107 on: September 13, 2006, 08:39:23 PM »
Buy ya a nice blue tick hound better yet a pack/ pair of Black and Tans  most lovely sound at night 2 or 3 B&T's runnin a long legged coon deep into the night :) Reminds me of my youth, some of which was misspent :o but not the hound hunting part  ;)
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« Reply #108 on: September 13, 2006, 08:48:06 PM »
The dogs are a good idea - I've always had them untill the last few years - on the road too much - they get impatient - go looking around and get into trouble - -- everything is down hill from here and they always seem to head down to a neighbors place below.
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« Reply #109 on: September 13, 2006, 08:53:59 PM »
Ya know when ya wanta hunt coon, it's a hunt ta find one to run , but if ya just don't wantum around there ever where ;D

 So with that thought who needs money, think I'll just stay home from work , I'm not wantin any ::)
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« Reply #110 on: September 13, 2006, 08:57:46 PM »
Let me know if it works, PEG -- that's like me carrying a spare and a jack for my trailer so I won't have a flat tire. :-/
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« Reply #111 on: September 16, 2006, 08:50:02 AM »
Well, I guess the garlic/pepper spray doesn't do much to ward off the green worms on the cucumbers.  I'll just keep picking them off for now...  The good news is the spray doesn't seem to damage the plants, so it might be effective against other bugs.
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« Reply #112 on: September 16, 2006, 04:35:58 PM »
Good experiment - We were worried it would run off our frogs and preying mantis' so are still thinking about it.  Thanks for the update.
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« Reply #113 on: October 14, 2006, 09:50:00 PM »
Traveling through the mountains today we came across a swarm of Ladybugs.  They are great for the garden - I guess we should have grabbed a handful but the little rascals do bite.



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« Reply #114 on: October 14, 2006, 10:06:11 PM »
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Traveling through the mountains today we came across a swarm of Ladybugs.  They are great for the garden - I guess we should have grabbed a handful but the little rascals do bite.





 Man ya should got some for me to :o They're great aphid killers  :)
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« Reply #115 on: October 15, 2006, 08:17:37 AM »
I know -- now I'm kicking myself because it is one heck of a drive back up there and they may be gone anyway.  Near 4 wheel drive road in places. :-/
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« Reply #116 on: October 15, 2006, 04:06:50 PM »
Question is, are those the real thing, or the Asian Lady Beetles?

Some friends here concreted over their cordwood masonry house because zillions of the little things came in through the cracks in the fall and winter.  And they don't smell nice when you crush them.  And they pinch a bit.  My friends have christened them "Bitch Bugs" which I've always thought a bit unfair, but, but maybe I've never gotten that many of them.  They do love the bottom of the door panels on the passenger side of my truck.  Passenger side faces south as it's parked.

These guys are imports, a bunch of different kinds, some may have been imported deliberately, some appear not to have been.

http://www.uky.edu/Ag/Entomology/entfacts/trees/ef416.htm

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Large numbers of lady beetles (ladybugs) infesting homes and buildings in the United States were first reported in the early 1990s. Ladybugs normally are considered beneficial since they live outdoors and feed on plant pests.

One species of lady beetle, Harmonia axyridis, can be a nuisance however, when they fly to buildings in search of overwintering sites and end up indoors. Once inside they crawl about on windows, walls, attics, etc., often emitting a noxious odor and yellowish staining fluid before dying.

In many areas of the U.S., these autumn invasions are such a nuisance that they affect quality of life.


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Asian lady beetles vary in color. Note the whitish area with M-shaped marking 
behind the head (M. Potter, Univ. of Kentucky)



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« Reply #117 on: October 15, 2006, 05:29:48 PM »
Here's another link, with specific suggestions on how to vacuum the little beasts up:

http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/housingandclothing/M1176.html

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« Reply #118 on: October 15, 2006, 07:07:36 PM »
Now you are confusing me, Amanda.  I don't know if I want these things or not. :-/

We checked it over and didn't see the M, but reading the article you linked, it still looks like even the asian ones were brought in to eat aphids.  The close up above is the actual ones we saw.  

We haven't gotten bit yet and haven't noticed any smell from them.

Maybe they're the good guys.
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« Reply #119 on: October 16, 2006, 10:22:27 AM »
Yesterday we took Glenn's mom & dad up to the mine - Glenn was determined to actually find the mine shaft - which he did finally.  We also stopped by the area where all the ladybugs were at & got us a few... hundred or more.  I let them out in the garden today.  They don't really look like the ones that Amanda posted about - we even examined them under a magnifying glass.  Anyway, there's a bunch in the garden so hopefully they get all the aphids & other bugs they like - just killed a big tomato worm  :P - we don't have too much problem with the aphids but they do like the broccoli & cabbage plants - & forget about growing the plants with the little cabbages on them (can't remember the name  :-[ ... keep thinking if I keep writing the name will come to me...  :-/ ... oh, yes, brussel sprouts!  :)
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« Reply #120 on: October 16, 2006, 02:32:01 PM »
Y'all may have a climate where they don't go looking for white places to over-winter (between the door and the cab of my truck, the outdoor storage locker on the trailer, for instance.  I get them inside, too, but not enough to cause rage on my part)

Nobody would hate them if they didn't mob houses in the fall and winter.  

Although they are imported.  The USDA brought one species in, but apparently it didn't survive.  What we've got now is a handful of different species--no one's quite sure how they got here (in a white box on a container ship?).

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« Reply #121 on: October 16, 2006, 05:56:29 PM »
Fred drove my truck today -- when I got to the little town near the jobsite he goes, "Your truck is full of ladybugs -hundreds of them."

I punched holes in the bags we put them in so they could breath.  Guess I made them a little too big, eh?  They are finding their way out of the truck though. :)


So far I have only seen them swarm in the woods around here.  This bunch and a bunch about 20 years ago.
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« Reply #122 on: October 17, 2006, 05:47:57 PM »
Pillowcases are great for moving living things in.

Cats, for instance.  I've had a couple that clawed their way out of them, but most thought that a pillowcase was a lot better than having to stand on the vet's exam table while we talked.  One got out of hers while we were on the way to the vet because of a badly tied knot.   After I got the car into a nearby parking lot, I asked her if she'd rather be bouncing around the car or inside the pillowcase, holding it open to show her what I meant, she voted for inside without any more urging, came from the back seat to the front and hopped in.

They can breathe.  It's washable.  The best ones are the cheapest possible polyester-cotton--the Dollar Store ones are very nice.  Stronger than pure cotton, none of this nonsense about high thread counts.  

I'd prefer to have a cat in a carrier for a 200 mile trip, but I'm not sure the cats did.

Expect it would work for ladybugs too.

Since you saw them behaving like that 25 years ago, they probably are the native guys.  As far as I know they don't tend to mob house or white trucks.

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« Reply #123 on: October 19, 2006, 05:10:44 AM »
As you may already know, Amanda, I tend to lose pillows with pillowcases off of the truck. :-/
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« Reply #124 on: October 19, 2006, 04:38:46 PM »
That is true, isn't it.

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