Help getting water from the cistern into the house

Started by grover, April 11, 2014, 03:56:26 PM

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grover

I'm trying to find someone with some knowledge as to how to get the water from the cistern into the house.  For instance what kind of pump?  I'm not talking brand name, (Flint & Walling is what brand I'm looking at).  I'm talking more like what type of pump.  Should it be one in the cistern that will push the water or a pump in the house or crawl space that will pull the water.  I'm not sure if that is a jet pump or submersible pump or other.  What about check valves, foot valves,....all the other tidbits it takes to finish the system.  Oh and filters too that make the water safe to drink.
Any help is appreciated. 
I want to do the work myself to save some $$$.  If it is not a DIY job then tell me that too.  Is there a website that can help with the mechanical portions of the system? 

MountainDon

Is this pump wanted to also supply the pressure to the system in the house, or only a transfer pump from one tank to another?  We use the transfer system with the cabin having its own pressure system.

Just because something has been done and has not failed, doesn't mean it is good design.


hpinson

Sureflo makes some good inexpensive AC and DC pumps:

http://www.solar-electric.com/shacdcwapu.html

They are very helpful at helping you find the right pump and related parts.

1-800-383-0195

I have no interest in Northern Arizona Wind and Sun. They have just been very helpful  in the past, for similar problems.


grover

I want to know how to set up the whole system, from cistern to pressure tank to filters to my sink, shower, etc.  I have been told 2 ways, one by the plumbing supply house and another by a guy that was in there picking up some stuff.  The plumbing place priced what I think is called a jet pump.  It sets outside the cistern and pulls the water from a pick up in the cistern.  I think that pump would be inside the house or in the crawl space along with the pressue tank.
The guy that had dropped by to pick up some things does this kind of work every day.  He said he would use a submersible pump that would push the water into the pressure tank in the house.  He talked about putting a ??riser?? set up some way on the access hole.  He talked about check valves and foot valves, all that other stuff.  I would think he would know the best way being someone that actually works on the things in the field vs the guy behind the counter.

I just was wanting all the details about the parts and pieces and how they all fit together.  I have not yet found a good informative website that details the process with some good pics.

I did find this site.  http://www.cyclestopvalves.com/index2.html  More a product site than a how to but it looks interesting.

John Raabe

It sounds like you are getting some good local advice about what others are doing in similar conditions. This is the kind of help that actually gets work done. A knowledgeable local installer of water systems is someone you would expect to pay for their help. It will be worth the money.

So ask around, get estimates and find the best one to work with.
None of us are as smart as all of us.


rick91351

You can use a jet pump with a foot valve down in to the cistern and standard pressure tank with the pressure switch.  Pretty easy piece of cake type thing.  The foot valve should act as a check valve.  Jet pumps are not as efficient as a submergable but cheaper and easier most times to replace if you plan a head.  Jet pumps also have a problem when lifting from deep wells and Glenn has posted that you need to have a double piping system such as



There is some one on here that did very similar to what you are wanting to do  ???  They posted that liked last fall or again  ???   I am going to do much the same only from our 900 gallon potable water spring tank up on the hill.  It is not high enough to deliver real serious water pressure.  So we are going to put a pump in to line and a pressure tank in the house.     
Proverbs 24:3-5 Through wisdom is an house builded; an by understanding it is established.  4 And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with all precious and pleasant riches.  5 A wise man is strong; yea, a man of knowledge increaseth strength.

Rob_O

A riser is just an extension of the entry hole. Rather than punch a hole in the tank you put the hole in the side of the riser. If a crack forms at the hole in the riser the tank doesn't leak

I prefer submersible pumps but you should have no issues with a jet pump on a cistern as you only have a few feet to lift

Foot valve takes in water from near the bottom of the tank, from there your pump, check valve, filter, pressure tank then everything else. Hope that helps!
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John Raabe

Here is a six page installation and troubleshooting manual for jet pumps. It might help flesh out the diagram rick posted.

http://www.nationalpumpcompany.com/pdf/betta_flo_iom_jet_pump.pdf
None of us are as smart as all of us.

grover

I have decided to go with a 1/2 hp 7 or 10 gallon per minute submersible pump.  Probably a Flint & Walling or similar. 

Does anyone know anything of the cycle stop valve?  I'm thinking of using their setup.  I'm still several weeks from getting the electrical all hooked up so still researching.

Should I do anything to the inside of the cistern before setting the pump and filling?  Does it need to be disinfected in some way?