Toward a North American Union

Sassy · August 18, 2006, 07:10:06 PM

Plans for a North American Union

MIEDRN · August 18, 2006, 07:57:38 PM

Okay. I'll admit it! My short sided mind is having a hard time understanding this.

This is being formed for trade agreements only or are we talking of a totally new country including the U.S., Mexico and Canada?

I was curious when we sold some of our military installations, then heard of a super highway between Mexico and Canada.

(Wondering if I'm naive, uninformed or simply stupid here.) :-/

Amanda_931 · August 18, 2006, 08:23:09 PM

Totally new country might be fun!

MIEDRN · August 18, 2006, 08:23:10 PM

I also followed a few links to these:

http://canada.usembassy.gov/content/can_usa/northamericancommunity_TF_final.pdf

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50618

Wow, I am shocked now. So few people know about this although looking back, I could see something happening and I'm sure I'm not alone.

The implications are mind boggling.

Amanda_931 · August 18, 2006, 09:14:50 PM

The new legislative body that gave in at least one house equal weight to the former nations making up the union, for instance.

For at least the first fifty years the presidency would rotate among the former nations.

We might not love it, but it would be different!

It might be the old Chinese curse brought to vivid life--

[size=36]May you live in interesting times![/size]

bartholomew · August 19, 2006, 02:32:09 AM

What's the big deal? Sounds like life as usual to me. The US, Mexico and Canada are each other's biggest trading partners. So yes, they enter into trade agreements which establish the ground rules for trade between them. Despite the agreements, there are bound to be disputes from time to time. Having agreed-upon dispute resolution mechanisms in place ahead of time helps keep those minor disputes from blowing up. The three nations share lengthy borders so they have shared security concerns. Canada and the US have cooperated in defense for decades, partnering in NORAD since the fifties. Now that the USSR is no longer enemy number one and there are many more potential threats, the US is increasingly concerned about attacks from other sides. Hence the desire to bring Mexico into the defense partnership.

Or as the document MIEDRN links to puts it...

QuoteNorth America, in short, is more than an expression of geography. It is a partnership of sovereign states with overlapping economic and security interests

(Note the use of the word "sovereign" there. I didn't see anything about merging the three countries.)

glenn-k · August 19, 2006, 10:12:39 AM

Quite a few big deals. Corporate heads continue to get giant pay increases while blue collar workers pay heads faster toward the poverty level is one thing. We cannot drive a truck into Mexico but they are free to roam here as they please. A cheap labor force - read slave - is making it hard for Americans to keep a job that will support the family unless they are well up the ladder or politicans supporting the growing fascist state.

I watched a manufacturing company I subcontracted for drop all their welders who got from 12 to $14 per hour years ago and replace them with 6 to $8 per hour welders - some could speak english. Great for Corp. officers - not good for the working guy trying to raise a family even though he had a good trade.

The agreement being spoken of is not good for the working class but is great for corporate America. Most of us are working class -

Most of the protections the government claims they are going to give us are a direct result of our warmongering for oil and power - invading sovereign states around the world as our installed leadership sees fit. We don't even have a legal voting system here. The supreme court installs politicians and uncheckable voting machines keeps them in office --- it doesn't matter who is installed as the choices offered would not change the elites desired policy anyway.

If there is a place for negotiaions with a qualified leadership, it is in dealing with other countries around the world for their resources -- business deals instead of killing thousands of civilians and controlling or taking as we see fit. Our sons and daughters are cannon fodder for the war machine of the elite.

Fascism has controlled our foreign policy for years and years. It is not for making the common mans life better.

glenn-k · August 19, 2006, 10:49:54 AM

The concerns with terrorism are more of a method to keep the people in line and and giving up their rights. Every terror alert or incident is usually when the administration has just sunk to a new approval low. HELP ME ---- please --Oh great and wonderful muslim fighter, Bush. Britain, being in on the gag, has the same things happen --- what are the chances of both Britain and the US running disaster drills on the same day - time and hour as the actual 9-11 and British bombings on the same buildings? --- millions to one.

Hitler had the Reichstag fire (he had it set). We have 9-11 which has more than enough circumnstantial evidence to indicate that our administration at least ignored or possibly assisted. History is full of examples of this type of action by government and banking interests. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

The Lusitania--excerpt from http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/smith/smith5.html

"As Murray Rothbard has noted, the country had been in recession during 1913 and 1914 – high unemployment, with many factories operating at only 60% capacity. The Morgan empire in particular had been losing money in railroads and had lost out to Kuhn-Loeb in the market for industrial finance. [3]

The Morgans had always been closely connected to the Rothschild financial empire in Europe. When war in Europe broke out, the House of Morgan, in partnership with the Rothschilds, became the American sales agent for English and French war bonds. When the money came back to the States to acquire war-related materials, it was funneled through Morgan as the U.S. purchase agent. From 1915 to 1917, J. P. Morgan arranged for $3 billion in exports to France and England, earning a commission of $30 million. [4] As historian Thomas Fleming has dryly noted, the U.S. became a branch of the British armament industry during the first 32 months of its neutrality. [5]

But it was a precarious feast. If the Allies should lose, American investors would sustain huge losses and Morgan's business would nosedive. Getting the U.S. into the war would extend the financial windfall, but the American public opposed involvement by ten to one.

In May 1915, the British passenger ship Lusitania gave war hopefuls a much-needed boost. Nearly 1,200 passengers, including 128 Americans, lost their lives when a German U-boat torpedoed it off the coast of Ireland. With its hold stuffed with U.S. munitions contraband, the Lusitania exploded a second time and sank in less than 18 minutes. As Griffin documents meticulously, British and American officials did everything in their power to make Lusitania a sitting duck.

With Morgan-controlled newspapers beating the drums for American participation, Wilson finally got his war on April 16, 1917. Eight days later, Congress extended $1 billion in credit to the Allies. The British took their initial advance of $200 million and paid it to Morgan. When they ran up an overdraft of $400 million three months later, Morgan turned to the U.S. Treasury for help. Treasury Secretary William McAdoo stalled until Benjamin Strong, the Fed's main man, came to his rescue and paid Morgan piecemeal during 1917 - 1918. Where did Strong get the money? He simply created it."

FEMA was already on duty to assist with the disaster recovery the night before it happened. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fematape.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema.rm Audio interview.

If terrorism were a real concern the open borders would be locked up tighter than a bulls bum in fly time...not porous to allow a cheap workforce for corporate America.

You could argue that open borders allow cheap labor so we can buy goods cheap -- but possibly our standard of living will be so low we can't even afford cheap goods. CEO's income continues to increase.

Amanda_931 · August 20, 2006, 07:45:34 PM

And speaking of terrorism.

There's this fun piece--starts out with a totally improbable but amusing scenario--DIY biodiesel and ammonium nitrate in an airplane lavatory--compares it to the process that the guys in England were supposed to be planning. Process would have taken hours and hours, a good percentage of it while actually working--and tying up the lavatory. (By the way, a lot of them didn't even have passports--couldn't have gotten onto a plane at all)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-goldstein/another-terrorist-plot-re_b_27552.html

glenn-k · August 20, 2006, 07:58:46 PM

Great posting Amanda -- our pres. can only cry wolf so many times before people start to realize it comes whenever he hits a new low. Hope he doesn't decide he actually has to make another actual event any time soon.

On another front---- another terrorist plot was foiled in east L.A. when an illegal alien terrorist was caught trying to blow up a bus. The plot failed when he burned his lips on the exhaust pipe. :-/

Amanda_931 · August 20, 2006, 08:09:48 PM

omygosh, Glenn!

(what an image

)

Amanda_931 · August 21, 2006, 08:18:36 PM

That was exceptional, even for the Huffington Post collection of blogs.

benevolance · August 22, 2006, 04:26:24 PM

Canada should be scared half to death with any union that strengthens ties to the USA.

Canada has it's flaws...Some people hate that there is socialism in Education healthcare and Pensions...But Canada pays it's bills and it Balances it's budget every year...what is more Canada has been paying off it's national debt at an alarming rate and will be out of debt completely within 40 years at the current pace...There is a light at the end of the tunnel for Canada and there is economic freedom...

For all the flag waving and patriotism of the USA...They are completely at the other end of the spectrum financially....War after war.. all the bombs and planes that the USA gives to Israel...It costs a lot of money...Policing the world has left the coffers empty in America...

For the last 6 years under Bush there has been a record deficit each and every year and the Debt is completely out of control...They could not pay it off if they tried in a couple hundred years...Even if they stopped making nukes and tanks...We are talking trillions and trillions in debt...

Which leaves America in shambles...Foreign currencies grow stronger against the greenback...Foreign banks want nothing to do with us debt, and their currency.

America has 12 times the population of Canada and thus a much larger economy....But that does not mean a healthier economy!

I see a Canada/USA union something like when Ford bought out Volvo....Volvo was performing well it had a lot going for it...But it was a smaller scaled business compared to ford....Ford is a trainwreck headed for bankruptcy if drastic action is not taken....Buying Volvo was a short term attempt to keep the lights and heat turned on by Ford.

Canada would be foolish to embrace the USA and their huge insurmountable economic problems...

Economics are going to be the guns of the 21st century...This is the only reason the USA would want to tap into Canada's vast resources, and strong economy

Amanda_931 · August 22, 2006, 09:05:21 PM

But, but, benevolance, uh...

Canada thinks that health is a matter of national importance.

They can't be more advanced or more stable than we are if they think that.

Can they?

glenn-k · August 23, 2006, 12:23:23 AM

But Peter, while America is going broke, Bush and his facist cabal are raking in the bucks. War makes billionaires even richer if they know what they are doing. War is a tool for transferring taxpayers money into corporate pockets until there is nothing left for anything -- but that doesn't matter if you are in the right place. :-/

bartholomew · August 23, 2006, 02:02:11 AM

Sassy, I'll happily read those articles tomorrow and respond in a day or two. Sorry I haven't checked in for a couple days... was away clearing brush off my lot.

glenn-k · August 23, 2006, 08:32:52 AM

Even anti-war people in foreign countries realize that with the police state the US has become, major protest is pretty futile. With Katrina, they have already proven that they have no second thoughts about bringing mercenaries and foreign military onto US soil. http://www.guardian.co.uk/katrina/story/0,16441,1567656,00.html

Little stuff is let fly but anything major will be considered domestic terrorism with no right to representation - the key will be thrown away thanks to the patriot act - which most major politicians support --probably for their own protection.

benevolance · August 23, 2006, 12:43:04 PM

the patriot act proves that bush has been one of the world's worst leaders in the last 100 years.. Not just the worst president of all time.

glenn-k · August 23, 2006, 07:39:40 PM

But --- the Patriot act does exactly what he wants it to do. It completely negates what he called "Just a worthless GD piece of paper" --- what our founding fathers wrote to limit the power of wanna be dictators, the Constitution of The United States, and The Bill of Rights.

http://humor.beecy.net/politics/bushisms/dictator/

benevolance · August 23, 2006, 10:19:28 PM

We need another Kennedy...Someone that will repeal the Patriot Act and severly cut Military spending....They will likely try to kill that guy also.

Kennedy put the Kabosh on segregation and was not going to allow Vietnam to happen...In Fact he was going to cut military spending for humanitarian programs..Social programs....

We all know what happened to him....

Glenn We are getting off lucky with the black Helicopters

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