Land Patent

[desdawg]

Glenn, do you have a Federal Land Patent? There were some people trying to sell the service of filing for one a couple of weeks ago. They have your favorite "No Trespassing" sign wih the $5000/ day use permit info on it. In theory they trace the chain of ownership back to the original land grant way back and your title becomes irrefutable. Sound right? I couldn't remember all the past discussion that took place. I have a good memory but it is incredibly short.

[MountainDon]

Hey Desdawg, your memory is a lot like mine. 

Glenn will chip in on this but in the interim he does have the original land patent.

John C Fremont's name is on it IIRC.

[ScottA]

I need to research this subject a bit. I still belive the patent is usless if the government decides not to enforce the law, which they often don't. My land was at one time indian land then non-indian and now indian again since I bought it. That suposedly means the county and state no longer have jurisdiction over it. Law enforcment jurisdiction is suposedly only by U.S. Marshalls now and once I live there I am exempt from a portion of state taxes. Something I need to learn more about.

[glenn kangiser]

Yep - I have the original and all the chain of title papers up through me.  Some are hard to read but still there.  I'm still a little cloudy on the final steps and haven't paid to have them done.

Here's a link to one I wanted to use.

http://teamlaw.org/    In frames so a bit hard to find the links - check out Do You Own Your Land

http://teamlaw.org/LandPatents.htm

and more info:  May or may not be of use -- just in my links.

http://www.landrights.com/
http://www.constitution.org/proppriv.htm
http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/

"My recommendation to any concerned local property owner is to dash down to the court house and get their "exhaustive chain-of-title" completed!  I would also recommend that anybody testifying remind the county that the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution applies to all subdivisions of government.  A taking is reached when a government entity destroys the NET income from prohibiting some of the rights to USE the property.  A couple of things to remember about title:  an exhaustive chain-of-title creates FULL title, not color of title.  A title company only provides "color of title".  Once you trace the property back to the patent or treaty of origin and collect all property transfer documents in between, you have obtained full title.  Then a property owner can, if they want to push the matter that far, tell the governing authority that they are not required to get their permits, etc., because they have full title.  If the governing body still wants to push the matter, the property owner can tell the entity to show up with their checkbook and expect to pay highest and best use value for the property.  In these battles, full title is your big stick." - Ramona Hage Morrison, daughter of Wayne and Jean Hage, Nevada ranchers. July 26, 2004

http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/proprightsfrms.htm

Note: --Everybody has some type of original land patent taking the property from the government and giving it to the people.  It is against the law for the government to keep the land - that is why they put a moratorium on mining land patents -- they can't legally keep it -- they just aren't going to give it to us yet--- forever--- until we are rid of them.

[desdawg]

These people were quoting the Team Law web page almost verbatim. They gather all of the information on the chain of ownership (Abstract) and submit it to the BLM who handles these things. Then supposedly one day you will receive a patent with your name on it signed by Bro Gerald or whoever is at the top at that time. This guys name is George Emerson and is located in Frederic, MI. He has his own publication that does the required publishing of the notices. The cost is $200. It would be well worth it if it actually works. Team Law seems to be the major source for information regarding the process. Most of us get Title Insurance these days and don't get the abstract. I think only a few states still do the abstract process.

[glenn kangiser]

More secure than the abstract is the full chain of title but the abstract lists it all.  Abstract is supposedly good enough also, with the proper update.  I need to follow through on this ....some day.

[desdawg]

The strange thing about all of this is I have never seen or heard of anyone who actually completed the process and received a patent. So it may be a scam and that is what I was trying to find out before I waste any time and effort on it. If it sounds too good to be true it usually is.

[glenn kangiser]

No ones after me so I haven't pursued it.  I don't know about the rest.