The American Nightmare

[dug]

Pox, I can agree with a lot of your last post. All I'm saying is that there is plenty of physical evidence and testimony by experts opposing the official verdict to demand a complete independent investigation with everything on the table. As Scott said, it will never happen which is most likely true. How could you oppose that?

It is irrational to accept expert testimonies backing one side and reject all opposing expert testimonies.

[Grimjack]

Here is an article from the Salem news about John Farmer, the man who drafted the Official 9/11 report, and his book where he says the 9/11 report was based on government lies:

Farmer states..."at some level of the government, at some point in time...there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin."

and of course the link:  http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php

Once again: Your Government Lies to YOU!!!!!

I don't know about anyone else here, but if I am lied to, I don't tend to trust the liars on other subjects....

[IronRanger]

 

[Shawn B]

At least one of the C.I.A.'s "Osama's" has confessed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhctMpvszqQ

The actions of the U.S. in the aftermath of 9-11 is just a big joke, even the ex-President thought so:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh4U-Tbqbx4&feature=related

[glenn kangiser]

Interesting - a tape of them showing they were along for the ride and taken candidly apparently.

The second video shows that our government has no problem lying straight faced to the citizens and then joking about it.  Everyone knew at the time the war was based on lies yet few disagreed with it.  Oh yeah - Pat Tillman thought he would come back and speak out about it so we put a hit on him...

Some are not afraid to speak up about what the evidence indicates.  Read the comments for a view from the rest of the world if you like.

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/234437

I agree with the assessment that the guilty parties could only walk out because they could not defend their crimes.

I do not see him as hero or enemy but I do see him and his country as being the current victim of western demonization.  I do see our country propaganda machine trying to take them down to the level of dogs in order to get the sheeples support for blowing up their country. 

The only thing stopping us is that he and his country may just be strong enough to fight back and give us a serious bloody nose.

[glenn kangiser]

An American Police State was inevitable once Americans let "their" government get away with 9/11.

Americans are too gullible, too uneducated, and too jingoistic to remain a free people.  As another Nazi leader—Herman Goering—said, "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. Tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace-makers for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger."

This is precisely what the Bush and Obama regimes have done.

America, as people of my generation knew it, no longer exists.

The entire article regarding FBI etc. harassing peace activists who have committed no crime.  So much for American Freedom of speech.

http://vdare.com/roberts/100924_police_state.htm

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during President Reagan's first term.  He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal.  He has held numerous academic appointments, including the William E. Simon Chair, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University, and Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He was awarded the Legion of Honor by French President Francois Mitterrand. He is the author of     Supply-Side Revolution : An Insider's Account of Policymaking in Washington;  Alienation and the Soviet Economy  and    Meltdown: Inside the Soviet Economy, and is the co-author with Lawrence M. Stratton of     The Tyranny of Good Intentions : How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice.



Note:  Paul Craig Roberts a short time ago was so frustrated with the apathy of the American people, he quit writing.  I emailed him and asked if he was doing any private mailing list - letters etc.  At that time he replied to me he was not.

Good to see him begin trying to get through to the people again.   Good to see a former politician that makes some sense.  Glenn

[Shawn B]

Glenn, I consider Paul Craig Roberts a Statesman not a politician. We have plenty of politicians already and not enough Statesman. Here are some of Red Beckman's thoughts on the subject:

   1. A Statesman loves the Constitution.
      A Politician hates the Constitution.
   2. A Statesman enforces the Constitution.
      A Politician violates the Constitution.
   3. A Statesman uses truth to keep power in the hands of the people.
      A Politician uses lies to gain power over the people.
   4. A Statesman's primary concern is to secure freedom for future generations.
      A Politician's primary concern is to get elected or re-elected.

Plus six more-

   1. Statesman will not play politics with the people's money.
      A Politician will buy votes with tax money.
   2. A Statesman knows the people must control government.
      A Politician believes that government should control people.
   3. A Statesman knows the people must limit government's power to tax.
      A Politician believes government should have unlimited power to tax.
   4. A Statesman gives his allegiance to the people and country.
      A Politician gives his allegiance to government.
   5. A Statesman will demand a balanced budget.
      A Politician will spend money stolen from future generations(deficit spending).
   6. A Statesman will cause peace.
      A Politician will cause wars.

[glenn kangiser]

I have to agree with you on that Shawn.  You classified him much better than I did.  I have read a lot of his writings over the years and can't recall ever hearing him say anything I disagreed with and he always seemed to tell it like it is.

I read another article regarding Ahmadinejad's statement and a clarification from him.  He thinks it is time for the UN to open an investigation into 9/11 as many of the rest of us do.  I have no problem with them opening an unbiased, uncensored, unowned, uninfluenced independent outside investigation.  That is all any of the ones asking for an investigation want.  

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8024377/Irans-Ahmadinejad-proposes-nuclear-deal-defends-911-comments.html

Not likely it will happen though as the NWO people have things going their way, as they dismantle the US on piece at a time.