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Re: Buildings under 200 sf
« Reply #400 on: February 26, 2015, 11:28:19 AM »
hi paul.  headed there tonight.. i will check it out  and let you know.. of course, i should remember- it has not been all that long!   jt

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« Reply #401 on: February 26, 2015, 11:35:56 AM »
here is a link   http://www.homedepot.com/p/Amana-20-in-2-6-cu-ft-Gas-Range-in-White-AGG222VDW/100658987

bought it at home depot..  not necessarily an endorsement.. just happened to be where they were on sale when I happened to need it..     it is  20 inches wide..  you are not going to cook a thanksgiving meal for 20 with it, but  it sure meets our needs ( just the two of us)    my first purchase after installing the stove was  a set of small cookie sheets..  i have my priorities straight!   jt

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Re: Buildings under 200 sf
« Reply #402 on: February 26, 2015, 03:52:49 PM »
paul s, (and anyone else looking for a gas range). I don't recall seeing where your range is to be used, that is, isit to be ON-grid or OFF-grid.  Be aware that gas ranges with electronic burner ignition also generally use a heat bar to ignite the oven flame AND to keep the burner lit. That heat bar consumes large amounts of power. The oven in all the ones I have looked into will not function without electrical power. If you are OFF-grid check out any range you consider. Sometimes that info is not easy to find. There are a few gas ranged with electronic burner ignitors that use a pilot flame for the oven. Not many though. OTOH, if the range top burners have pilot lights so will the oven.
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Re: Buildings under 200 sf
« Reply #403 on: February 26, 2015, 07:43:52 PM »
Thanks for that Don.

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Re: Buildings under 200 sf
« Reply #404 on: March 17, 2015, 01:31:10 PM »
thanks don, i was starting to question that in my searching, thanks for the answer whith out me having to ask!!!!!!

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Re: Buildings under 200 sf
« Reply #405 on: March 17, 2015, 03:30:23 PM »
Our propane range works great without power minus the oven, of course.   Biggest problem we had was converting. Frigidaire they no longer comes with the propane jets included.  The seller was supposed to include them when they delivered it.  The propane installer was expecting them.  A phone call found them still at the store.  This cost us another service call.  However knowing what I know now I could have DIYed it other than setting the regulators.  They installed one on the tank and one going into the house do not understand that one.  All for just a range.     
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Re: Buildings under 200 sf
« Reply #406 on: March 17, 2015, 05:10:50 PM »
They installed one on the tank and one going into the house do not understand that one.  All for just a range.      are two regulators.

The one at the tank is called a first stage regulator and will be red. That drops the tank pressure to 10 to30 PSI. Some are adjustable. The one at the house then lowers the pressure to 11" WC (water column). That one is probably green.  A range also has its own regulator somewhere hidden where the gas pipe connects.

They could have used an integral two stage regulator, black or grey or maybe blue.  Splitting the regulation can allow a smaller diameter pipe from the tank to the house as the higher pressure can push more gas through the smaller pipe. The use of two separate regulators often saves money even though there are two separate regulators.
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Re: Buildings under 200 sf
« Reply #407 on: March 01, 2016, 07:49:50 AM »
This has always been a dream of mine.  This is great info!

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Re: Buildings under 200 sf
« Reply #408 on: June 05, 2016, 10:51:09 AM »
Coming in at 199 feet, everything a single person would need...



Thinking something like this would be very quick and easy to build.  I'm thinking that an under-counter fridge (next to the stove) and an under-counter washer/dryer (next to the shower) would leave tons of counter space, which is one of my must-haves for food prep and preserving.

For HVAC, a mini-split should work nicely.  Not sure about hot water though... is there an all-season option for mounting a tankless heater on the outside of the building or perhaps something that can be installed under the sink?

For the bed, I'm thinking a super-single on a loft frame, with a sofa or desk under it.  A sleeping loft might be a possibility but I'm thinking that a usable loft would make the building too tall.








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Re: Buildings under 200 sf
« Reply #409 on: June 08, 2016, 09:58:05 AM »
You can get a small water heater to install under the sink and a heated shower head in Electric as an all season solution.  An outdoor mounted gas tankless would not be able to be used in all seasons if freezing is a problem.
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Re: Buildings under 200 sf
« Reply #410 on: March 07, 2018, 04:29:08 AM »
Wonder if anyone else who has considered building a living structure under 200 s.f., considered going slightly larger and putting up with building inspections.  I have a good design at 198s.f., but if I bump it up to 242 s.f. it becomes much, much more livable.  In my area - you don't need a building permit under 200 s.f. -- but the structure is still taxed anyway.  And I have to install concrete piers -- and the cost and time to do that would be the same either way.

Has anyone built a small structure thinking that they won't get taxed - and then find out that they did - and said to themselves - if I had known that I would have built bigger?   I understand some have remote property where no one really is going to check - but in our instance the neighbors question everything that goes on and eventually the assessor will put the "shed" on the tax rolls.   

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« Reply #411 on: March 07, 2018, 04:37:16 AM »
Where we live they are going to start using drones to check on property. Talk about Big Brother watching!  >:(

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« Reply #412 on: March 07, 2018, 07:35:51 AM »
If it is habitable it is never exempt. That under 200sf (or whatever your state uses) exemption is for accessory structures. That is, accessory to a primary residence. It is for an outbuilding not a house. I've seen them removed. Not saying I like it but that is the law and often enough the interpretation, don't build more than you want to lose if you go that route. A camper would probably be a better route nowadays. I've seen my shadow on google earth, I'm pretty sure I could tell you what was in the back of my truck from that imagery.

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« Reply #413 on: June 07, 2018, 03:53:51 AM »
Thanks for the information about the building.

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Re: Buildings under 200 sf
« Reply #414 on: June 07, 2018, 06:00:20 AM »
You would be safer and wiser, when building a habitable house of whatever size, to bring it into compliance with your local codes and zoning laws. The under 200sf thread here was not a recommendation to build that small but just a design challenge for a minimal space to live in.
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