Conspiracies....

StinkerBell · May 22, 2011, 02:42:36 PM

I think I have finally reached a decision on the matter of 9/11 and other events of the 12 - 15 years.

I subscribe to the theory that there is always a little bit of truth in things to make it seem real.

I do not think that our government conspired and bombed our country. However, I have come to the conclusion that even though our government did not do these things I believe they were complicit. I highly suspect that those in office (how high up or how low down I do not know) knew that something was going to happen. They were going to allow it in order to have a reason/excuse to be stationed/occupy certain areas of the middle east. It is indeed an oil thing and not a humanitarian thing. I suspect they were not aware the scale of such an event. I think they believed they were in control and loss of life would be just a few and damage to property no more then the previous bombing of the twin towers ( I am not saying the knew it would be those towers but some type of event/attack like that) . I do not beleive they knew the scale and because this they lost the control they believed they had.

This conclusion makes the most sense to all the articles, theories and discussion I have witnessed or participated in over years.

You do not have to concur with my opinion, but I just wanted to share my thoughts.

Sassy · May 22, 2011, 04:29:57 PM

You better be careful writing about your conclusions on your website, Stinkerbell... your members were about to lynch me for some postings I made questioning the status quo

May 22, 2011, 06:21:24 PM

Well, I am lookng for a little slapping here and there. I am feeling neglected

Sassy · May 22, 2011, 06:23:45 PM

glenn kangiser · May 22, 2011, 07:13:07 PM

I am sorry you are feeling neglected, Stinky.

Slapping... slapping,,,,,hmmm ...how about a few love taps..

Stinky .... you are on dangerous ground.... your eyes are starting to open.... careful.... I beg of you...do not research further or you will find out more things that make so much sense you will begin to doubt your own limits on what you think they knew.

I had pilot training at that time - Private, Instrument and Commercial. Windpower is a pilot. We both know our government had to be likely much more than complicit and looking the other way.

Evidence says Dirty Dick had more to do with it than Shrub. Shrub was not even wanted in the CFR, but dirty Dick was in the perfect position to guide things the way they wanted it to go. It did not take a lot of people with full knowledge of what was going on. Just the right high up people directing things.

One, no, make that several of our allies were more than willing to help pull it of.

May 22, 2011, 09:43:40 PM

Stinkerbell, you might want to read some of these quotes by the chair & co-chairman of the 9/11 Commission Report (Kean & Hamilton) interesting... there's a link at the bottom for more quotes.

"We got started late; we had a very short time frame... we did not have enough money... We had a lot of people strongly opposed to what we did. We had a lot of trouble getting access to documents and to people... So there were all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail." - Lee Hamilton, Vice Chairman, 9/11 Commission

"FAA and NORAD officials advanced an account of 9/11 that was untrue... We, to this day, don't know why NORAD told us what they told us... It was just so far from the truth." - Thomas H. Kean Chairman, 9/11 Commission, Former Governor of New Jersey

They wrote the book Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission Report

There's countless other officials/pilots/engineers etc who question the official report... so you are in good company although you will be blackballed & thought of as a kook, but hey, you're already sorta kookie

http://actorsandartistsfor911truth.com/Quotes.htm

Texas Tornado · May 22, 2011, 10:17:03 PM

I will second what Glenn said...Too many people saw and heard blasts before the towers fell...Have you ever watched a control take down of a building? Seems odd that they fell into their own foot steps and don't forget about building 7 which also came down and it was not damaged by the aircraft nor the towers.....My eyes have been opened and I am truly shamed by those in control of our country

TT

StinkerBell · May 22, 2011, 10:35:26 PM

I am not saying they knew the scale of things to unfold. What I am saying is that some /someone knew something and was willing to allow it to happen so their agenda could begin. The 1993 twin towers bombing did kill 7 people and was a great disruption. A disrutpion like this might be more exceptable and a gamble some/someone is willing to make. Whereas the day of 9-11-01 was not disruptive but devastating with great loss of life and attacks on several fronts. I think that was a surprise. So, it is hard to cover up or hide when some/someone was willing to allow a disruption but instead got a great devastation.

Texas Tornado · May 22, 2011, 10:41:04 PM

So far they have..........

May 22, 2011, 11:08:46 PM

Ya'll do live in a strange world inside those heads! But, if it makes you feel good, no harm done. You may have missed out on the rapture but, hang in there----the little grey beings hiding on the dark side of the moon will come for you soon.

firefox · May 22, 2011, 11:31:13 PM

There are no more little grey beings on the dark side of the moon.
We ate them all three years ago, and they really weren't that tasty.

Please try to keep your facts straight.

IGF

Sassy · May 22, 2011, 11:38:42 PM

Quote from: rwanders on May 22, 2011, 11:08:46 PM
Ya'll do live in a strange world inside those heads! But, if it makes you feel good, no harm done. You may have missed out on the rapture but, hang in there----the little grey beings hiding on the dark side of the moon will come for you soon.

So what were Hamilton & Kean (Co-Chair & Chairman of 9/11 Commission report) talking about & why did they write a book??? Seems like those who deny there has been any duplicity are happy living in the matrix...

"We got started late; we had a very short time frame... we did not have enough money... We had a lot of people strongly opposed to what we did. We had a lot of trouble getting access to documents and to people... So there were all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail." - Lee Hamilton, Vice Chairman, 9/11 Commission

"FAA and NORAD officials advanced an account of 9/11 that was untrue... We, to this day, don't know why NORAD told us what they told us... It was just so far from the truth." - Thomas H. Kean Chairman, 9/11 Commission, Former Governor of New Jersey

They wrote the book Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission Report

glenn kangiser · May 22, 2011, 11:39:14 PM

Thanks, RW. I'm looking forward to it.

What do you make of this film crew apprehended by the police and FBI, Stinky.... Yes - someone knew.

They set up cameras and high fived when it happened as planned.

Van with Dancing Agents

Windpower · May 22, 2011, 11:45:20 PM

Stinky, you got guts

I like that

a lot

May 23, 2011, 05:04:58 AM

What I was taught is to follow the money. Who benefits?
TT

glenn kangiser · May 23, 2011, 07:53:19 AM

That will usually always lead you to the right information, TT.

Another clue is when the politicians start repeating the same catch words over and over and over again. They will always be lying and always trying to scare the people into doing what they want. A couple would be "terrorists" and "pandemic".

Their various scares are scripted and repeated for money or consent.

ScottA · May 23, 2011, 08:12:49 AM

In todays world a terrorist is anyone who they want you to hate or fear. In the old days they called them commies.

I don't think it's fair to blame the government. There may have been some persons inside the government involved but the government didn't do it.

peternap · May 23, 2011, 11:04:06 AM

Quote from: ScottA on May 23, 2011, 08:12:49 AM
In todays world a terrorist is anyone who they want you to hate or fear. In the old days they called them commies.

I don't think it's fair to blame the government. There may have been some persons inside the government involved but the government didn't do it.

You hit it Scott. There has always been a war on someone or something.

The war on Drugs.
The war against Communism.
Imprisoning Japanese Americans.
The war against Slavery.
The Philadelphia Tea Party.
Etc,Etc.

There is always someone to blame for doing what you want. I wouldn't be surprised if the Government goes back to mandatory Pre Frontal Lobotomies to correct our thinking.

Windpower · May 23, 2011, 01:28:28 PM

The voice of John Perkins a former insider, an economic hitman (I may have posted this before --- it still spells out some important facts in a little over 2 minutes )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Fzm1hEiDQ

rwanders · May 23, 2011, 02:59:39 PM

Very well---first of all, Mr Perkins does not claim, in this video, to be a 'economic hitman" or an 'insider'---sounds more like an idealistic young guy-----granted capitalism does have its abuses but, just what does he suggest in its place? Communism and socialism have had their attempts to deliver the good life and failed miserably----Norway is sometimes touted as example but, it is actually just state capitalism and is starting to wither as those "dirty oil resources" begin to go dry-----their economy is extremely delicate now.

What system has or will replace liberal capitalism as a growth catalyst? We tried hippie power in 60's with abject failure of the "love will save everything' fantasy.

Telling that the former socialist states like USSR and China and Viet Nam have all become back to capitalist/market economy. Telling that China did not interfere with HongKong economic system----I think they know where the butter for their noodles comes from now.

i'm open----what do you suggest? As has been known for long time---eventually a socialist state runs out of other peoples money and they eat their own flesh until they starve. Unfortunately we have gone a far piece down that road ourselves.

He doesn't like for undeveloped countries to borrow money to build their infrastructure, or at least he doesn't think they should have to eventually repay their loans----how quaint. Perhaps he would like to make them gifts?----but wait, I think that is called foreign aid---I remember now, those evil Americans do that a lot----must be to enslave them. Would be better for them to remain undeveloped----we can go on "eco-tours" and view the happy natives living very close to nature---maybe they will dance for us and we can buy trinkets----that's the ticket! we can all feel noble and warm knowing they are living just like their ancestors, unspoiled by those evil capitalists, grass huts and a subsistence lifestyle is all they need or should want.

May 23, 2011, 04:00:14 PM

I know many of you don't like it when I quote from the Bible but it seems to best explain mankind & why things never change...

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Romans 1:18-25

But there is a promise given in the 2 verses before those above
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith."

I am not trying to tear down capitalism, our gov't or the leaders, what I'm looking for is the truth... if people close their eyes to what is happening, I feel they are just as guilty. The word "collusion" comes to mind...

collusion [kəˈluːʒən]
n
1. secret agreement for a fraudulent purpose; connivance; conspiracy
2. (Law) a secret agreement between opponents at law in order to obtain a judicial decision for some wrongful or improper purpose
[from Latin collūsiō, from collūdere to collude]
collusive adj

There have always been conspiracies - even the Bible talks about conspiracies between kings/leaders etc - it is only in the last few years that "conspiracy" has become such a hot button. The way to slam anyone who questions the status quo is to call them a "conspiracy theorist." That seems to be the answer for anyone who can't conceive that we might have a few unethical, dishonest, self-serving, egotistical people in power who have their consciences seared & would do anything to bring about their egomaniacal plans.

Believe me, I totally rejected any collusion of our leaders in anything that could be considered unsavory... it was with careful research & study that my "Pollyanna" point-of-view was changed... besides wanting to prove my dear husband wrong

guess I had to eat humble pie...

Each person is welcome to their own conclusions - it won't stop me from continuing to search out truth & to question the status quo. In the end, I believe that it is man's decision to make himself god & to deny the true Creator - it only makes sense to me, if someone created me, then it must know more than I do. But then, many believe that we came from nothing & have evolved into the complexity of life as we know it over billions of years (totally unproveable - therefore a religion) - another fairytale, in my opinion, but we've already had that discussion. As the Creator God of the Bible called Himself, when Moses questioned what name he should tell the people His name is, the Creator stated "I Am." That about says it all... as I 1st quoted at the beginning of this posting, they don't see because "their foolish hearts are darkened."

Ok, now you can throw stones at me

Windpower · May 23, 2011, 04:12:10 PM

RW quote
"Very well---first of all, Mr Perkins does not claim, in this video, to be a 'economic hitman" or an 'insider'---sounds more like an idealistic young guy-----granted capitalism does have its abuses but, just what does he suggest in its place?"
unquote

As usual, RW, you immediately assume facts without so much as a brief google search.
Where you would see

You might even have noticed this article #2 on google

"John Perkins, Jerk, Con-man, Shill
I remember John Perkins. He was a real jerk. A gold-plated, super-slick lying little butthole shill for corporate gangsters; a snake-oil salesman with a movie-star grin, shiny loafers, a crooked calculator and a tooled leather briefcase full of high-blown bullshit."

More here

http://www.gregpalast.com/john-perkins-jerk-con-man-shill/

Or even maybe go to
(OMG, what a concept, it is the first web page in any search engine that I have tried)

http://www.johnperkins.org/

to find out what he is advocating

Or even go read this book

But I leave that up you –if you want to demonstrate your ignorance (and you seem expert at it) be my guest

Not recognizing Fascism and embracing it under "liberal capitalism" still makes you a Fascist
Killing people and stealing their resources "because we can" is morally bankrupt as is anyone that embraces these principles.

I would suggest that the people and countries that have incredible amounts of resources, power and education share some of their resources and bring up the level of human existence for less advantaged people.
That would be real growth would it not ?

It would seem to me that that would be a much better approach than the genocidal paradigm the empire has been following.

*sometimes you just have to spell this stuff out to people that seem unwilling to think*

StinkerBell · May 23, 2011, 04:23:40 PM

StinkerBell tosses some chocolate at Sassy...Chocolate is so much better then stones!

Sassy · May 23, 2011, 05:01:39 PM

Ernest T. Bass · May 23, 2011, 05:13:38 PM

Quote from: rwanders on May 23, 2011, 02:59:39 PMWould be better for them to remain undeveloped----we can go on "eco-tours" and view the happy natives living very close to nature---maybe they will dance for us and we can buy trinkets----that's the ticket! we can all feel noble and warm knowing they are living just like their ancestors, unspoiled by those evil capitalists, grass huts and a subsistence lifestyle is all they need or should want.

Doesn't sound too bad... and if we all lived like that, it would certainly solve a lot of problems.