Circle The Wagons

[Sassy]

con't from above...
Muldoon stated "I dont see the need or value of damaging the credibility by adding tinfoil to a bad situation, in fact I think it to be rather dangerous because it makes it easy to shrug the entire bit off as non-valid."
Peternap wrote "If you notice on that site, the BS flag went up.
Every rumor like that starts with a little fact and gets enhanced every time it's told."

Seems to me there's a lot of info/articles available to support most of the statements by "godlikeproductions"... again, whether all that was discussed is debatable but those issues are clearly things we should be concerned about, IMHO...

http://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/north_american_union/the_north_american_union_and_the_larger_plan_2007121884/
The North American Union and the Larger Plan     

By Dennis L. Cuddy, Ph.D.
In order to bring about a North American Union (NAU), the public first has to be conditioned to think of themselves as North Americans. In that regard, Thomas Donohue (president and CEO of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce) on June 16, 2006 remarked that "for CEOs, North America is already a single market, and business decisions are no longer made with a Mexico strategy---or a Canada strategy---but, rather, with a North American strategy....I think it's pretty clear now that it no longer makes sense to talk about U.S. competitiveness and Mexican competitiveness---or, for that matter, about the competitiveness of Canada. We are all in this together---we, as North Americans."

Also relevant to this process is the publication of NORTH AMERICAN INTEGRATION MONITOR since 2002 by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). Very soon, CSIS also will publish (and has agreed to send me) their final document on their "North American Future 2025 Project." The Project has "an emphasis on regional integration," and the year 2025 A.D. was selected "on the basis of the data presently available on overall global projections." Seven closed-door roundtable sessions have been looking at the methodology of global and North American projections, as well as labor mobility, energy, the environment, security, competitiveness, and border infrastructure and logistics.

Zbigniew Brzezinski has been a CSIS counselor, and at Mikhail Gorbachev's first State of the World Forum in 1995, Brzezinski revealed: "We cannot leap into world government through one quick step....The precondition for eventual and genuine globalization is progressive regionalization because by that we move toward larger, more stable, more cooperative units." This is why the CSIS Project has "an emphasis on regional integration." (Brzezinski also described the regions that would be formed, that Israel and the Palestinians would be part of a Middle Eastern region, how Communist China would be brought into an Asian region, and that Iran would be part of a Central Asian region which would have important oil and gas pipelines constructed.)

At this point, it is worth remembering that in Stalin's January 1913 address in Vienna, he advocated national loyalties becoming subservient to regions. And 3 years later, Lenin in 1916 proclaimed: "The aim of socialism is not only to abolish the present division of mankind into smaller states and all-national isolation, not only to bring the nations closer to each other, but also to merge them."

You may recall that in Brzezinski's BETWEEN TWO AGES (1970), he praised Marxism, and he claimed that "the nation-state is gradually yielding its Sovereignty." One aspect of American sovereignty that is being yielded is ownership of American companies by Americans. In the first 9 months of 2007, 69 companies in New England alone have been sold to foreign buyers. Nationally, the French company Alcatel bought Lucent Technologies in the U.S. last year, and in September 2007 announced it will be cutting thousands of jobs.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/SPP.shtml  Security & Prosperity Partnership

Book results for north american union
   Building a North American Community: Report of ... - by Council on Foreign Relations, ... - 202 pages
The Future of North American Integration ... - by Peter Hakim - 148 pages
Toward a North American Community: Lessons ... - by Robert A Pastor - 234 pages

[muldoon]

Sassy, I seem to have offended you and that was not my intent.  The data presented had all the characteristics of sensationalism and falsehoods.  Quite frankly there are alot of people in the world with their own agendas and I just flat out do not believe everything I read, especially from questionable sites. 

I have heard quite a bit of talk about KBR and Halliburton camps, even the reports of railcar imprisonment setups.  I also have read a significant amount of very legitimate sounding data to support the NAU talk.  While I have some doubts about all of that as well (especially the feasibility and logistics of it) thats not the crux I was commenting on, the part that doesn't jive is that congress met to discuss all of that in some secret meeting at the last minute in a publicized secret meeting. 

Ok, so here goes some of my problems with it.  The article says it was only the 4th time in history congress has had a closed door session.  The united state congress has been called into closed session 54 times since 1929.  The House has been called 5 times.  So this was the 6th time this has happened for the House. 
http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RS20145.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_session_of_the_United_States_Congress

Next, the last time it was called was November of 2005.  Not the 25 years that some are reporting. 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/01/AR2005110101037.html
... to discuss the intelligence gathering process including talking of wiretaps

So, from the last time they had a closed session to now, and the agenda is basically the same.  News reports from 4 days ago, focus on wiretaps and national intelligence.  Sounds likely that they have monitoring capability they do not want the american people to know about.  If thats the case, good for them, I pretty much figured everything is out there for them to see anyway. 

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hJKgeE0Z-SivATjok-utYBdh9wDwD8VCRM1G0

The session was reported to be scheduled for one hour.  I was not there so I concede it may have gone longer. 
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2008/03/house_may_hold_rare_closed_ses.html


The CSPAN coverage of the talk going into the discussion makes it clear it was to be an hour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1byeC0h1Tyk   -- there are multiple parts

So, thats why it doesn't make sense to me.  The article posted has several items that are flat wrong, and come from a site that also is highly questionable.  My spidey sense says BS. 

Lets look at some of the popular threads from the site: 
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/popular.php

Tsunami from outer space: Please prepare yourselves for unimaginable destruction in the weeks ahead

December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks - from December 2004

   ++I AM A EXTRA TERRESTRIAL++ ASK ME A QUESTION AND I WILL RESPOND++

come on ....  do you not see the issue here?

[MountainDon]

muldoon, I wasn't aware of those discrepancies in the facts regarding the number of closed sessions and their timing. Interesting.

That's the sort of thing that makes me very skeptical of some news reports (radio, tv, print, electronic... it doesn't matter. On occasion I run across reported facts that I know are incorrect. Things like that instantly notch my BS meter up to sensitive. Historical data like that can be easily checked and verified or not. I feel anyone purporting to be a news reporter owes it to their own integrity to verify the basics before publishing.

The internet is good and the internet is bad. Anyone can open a website with a few bucks and a computer. There is truth out there; how do your sort the wheat from the chaff?

OMMV. No offense meant. I am simply a big skeptic about many things.

That's an odd assortment of other stories.

[glenn kangiser]

I looked a bit deeper into Hal Turner once before --- White supremacist as I recall.  He does get out there a ways.

[Sassy]

Muldoon, you didn't offend me, I expect controversy when I post a lot of the articles I do...  I also concede that I should have checked that one out better - I was not aware that it is a "white supremist" site per DH or that they write about extraterrestrials - although there are good sites that believe in them (I don't unless you consider the "powers & principalities of the air" the Bible speaks of... ) I also didn't check out how many times Congress has met in secret or under an emergency session - all good info...  or that the session was planned for an hour - thanks for the info...

My reason for posting it was that several of the points that were made in that article are issues that need to be addressed & Americans need to be aware of... 

Look into Brzezinski - he's written a lot of alarming stuff - unless you are a globalist & then it is right up your alley.  He is also one of Obama's advisers from what I've read...  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/09/365095.shtml & no, I didn't check out everything although most I've read before in various articles, books... 
here's some quotes from his book BETWEEN TWO AGES
Brzezinski is still advising our leaders, who are supposed to be working for us.....

"Though Stalinism may have been a needless tragedy for both the Russian people and communism as an ideal, there is the intellectually tantalizing possibility that for the world at large it was, as we shall see, a blessing in disguise."

Zbigniew Brzezinski, professor of international relations at Harvard and Columbia Universities (1960–77), President Carter's national security adviser (1977–81), who advocated a "hard line" toward the "Evil Empire" that was USSR. In 1981, he resumed his academic career, writing extensively on US strategic relations and eventually on the supposed "collapse of Communism" in its redoubt of Soviet Russia. However, the reality of the situation is this: Communism is not dead, the Soviet Empire did not collapse and the Cold War was a great deception. Communism is essential to the Great Conspiracy, the ancient "Plan" of the secret societies, to create a New World Order- a feudal-Fascist state encompassing the whole world. The Bolshevik tyranny in Russia and the Maoist terror in China are models for this World Empire, the "global governance" of the Earth, its people and resources by a gilded elite. These Globalists are the men and women of great wealth who work to bring about a world feudalistic system under their control. That is why these people have funded Communism since its inception. Why? Because these people understand Communism and Socialism, which stripped of their faux idealism, have nothing to do with redistribution the wealth of society equitably but are merely powerful means of creating an elitist society underpinned by fear and terror. Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao Zedong and Hitler understood this: so do the architects of the New World Order. The world is very different than that presented in the controlled media: Between Two Ages (1970)

"The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities."

"Today we are again witnessing the emergence of transnational elites ... [Whose] ties cut across national boundaries ...It is likely that before long the social elites of most of the more advanced countries will be highly internationalist or globalist in spirit and outlook ... The nation-state is gradually yielding its sovereignty... Further progress will require greater American sacrifices. More intensive efforts to shape a new world monetary structure will have to be undertaken, with some consequent risk to the present relatively favorable American position."

Zbigniew Brzezinski, CFR member, National Security Advisor to several Presidents, Executive Director and co-founder with David Rockefeller of the Trilateral Commission and Globalist, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era (1970)

"Marxism represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man's universal vision ... Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external, active man over the inner, passive man and a victory of reason over belief ... Marxism, disseminated on the popular level in the form of communism, represents a major advance in man's ability to conceptualize his relationship to the world."

[ScottA]

While I belive alot of this information is true to some extent I don't feel the situation is quite as desperate as they whould have us belive. We've always had problems with our government doing the bidding of special intrests, this is nothing new. We've had financial crisis before as well and wars. Is America less free today than it was 20 years ago? I don't see much difference really. It is different in many ways. 20 years ago we had the churches dictating public behavior and the moral laws. Now the government has taken over that role and is promoting it's version of society. But are we less free? As for the golbalists...I do fear a one world government that has no one to opose it. But at the same time I know from my own experiences that trying to control large groups of people is like hearding cats. It simply does not work as intended since people go in so many different directions no matter how many rules you have. America is entering a difficult time, of that there is no doubt. But for the average person I don't see it as the end of the world. Just more of what we've seen before and will see again. Good times, bad times...

[Sassy]

One of the issues I was going to point out was that today the Supreme Court is supposed to be hearing a case on the 2nd amendment & the Washington DC ban on gun ownership - should be interesting...

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=3685

[glenn kangiser]

Scott, I also buy into the, "They Can't Get Us All" theory. 

Hitler was not able to get all of the Jews or the Germans in Nazi Germany, but the situation wasn't the best, -- and like our situation ( if you study you will see it is following pretty closely), Germany is still around.

Most of the people survived and yes -- the country is still there, as likely the US will be in one form or another after the lumps are beat out of the rug.

[peternap]

Like I said...drunken sisters. The DOW was up over 400 points, ASTI was down .02 mostly because the company announced a second issue of stock, fslr was up 5% and that's gotten to be the norm, up 5 down 5....SOLF up 7% and still less than half of it's PPS from a month ago.

These wild swings are the result of a lot of things but mostly, the FED trying to fix things that are beyond their control. The country's broke and the FED is trying to help by writing a bad check.

[glenn kangiser]

Yeah -- good likeness, Peter -- forging dollars.

[desdawg]

It is quite a roller coaster but the trend is downward. There isn't much that doesn't hurt right now for the long term investor who doesn't want to become a player.    I don't have enough tolerance for risk to become a player. On the other hand I don't have any tolerance for loss and I don't foresee any upward corrections in the near future. It is tempting to just bail and let inflation have it's way with me for a while. It may be less expensive in the long run.

[peternap]

Wish I knew what to tell you Des. I got out with good profits but if I had waited..........................

Run away from anyone that tells you they know how the market will go these days.

Like I said ....Drunken sisters. Up 400 yesterday, down 290++ today.

All solars are going nuts and down!

[desdawg]

And back up 261 today.......

[peternap]

And back up 261 today.......

Yep and did you look at Bear Stearns. I quit looking at 40 million shares ! The bond holders are trying to block the buyout.
SOLF is creeping back on expected earnings next week but the company announced the earnings report would be unaudited.

ASTI is my favorite though. The company is run by engineers that don't have a clue about investor relations. They've been doing 8K sales left and right with no progress reports. This weeks selloff was massive and dragged the price down around 8.50. That must have scared them so they did another insider sale then filed an amended 8K to cease insider sales . Then they did a news release about a contract they started on the 14th.

It did slow the freefall though.

It was just a strange day. Te market SHOULD have dropped. Options, etc. expired so it was quadruple witching Thursday. It was the last day of trading in a troubled week, and a long holiday weekend. Almost always falls on those. I think there were a lot of margin sales. It's like trying to keep an eye on class full of 2end graders at recess.