What A Great Guy I Am!!!

[MountainDon]

I also meant to say that the Puma works very nicely, the action is smooth, with fast or slow action. I've heard some say bad things but this one seems like a good one to me. Trigger pull is good, not overly hard.


I also believe it would be a dandy defensive weapon.


My only criticism is that it has a rather stupid little safety mechanism on top of the bolt. I think it could be done away with. The half cock is a good safety anyhow.

[OlJarhead]

I also meant to say that the Puma works very nicely, the action is smooth, with fast or slow action. I've heard some say bad things but this one seems like a good one to me. Trigger pull is good, not overly hard.


I also believe it would be a dandy defensive weapon.


My only criticism is that it has a rather stupid little safety mechanism on top of the bolt. I think it could be done away with. The half cock is a good safety anyhow.

I forget that is even there on mine -- but I don't chamber a round unless I intend to use it

I've found mine to be excellent and after at least 1000 rounds it shoots rather nicely

By the way, my son is hitting nicely at 200 yards with it!

[Yonderosa]

oldjarhead, You'll have to bring your rifle out to the local Cowboy Silhouette match we have every month in Tonasket.



May - Oct we do Rimfire and pistol caliber matches.  Nov - April is rifle caliber.

Last weekend was great fun, I managed my first ever 10 for 10 on the Turkeys using my Marlin Mountie.  In the pistol caliber match I smacked 9 more (19 for 20 for the day!).  Sadly I totally whiffed all ten rams in the Pistol caliber match...



After the match we went to a friend's (that lives a bit down the valley from your place) property to continue the fun.  With his 113 year old Marlin 1893 he was ringing the 300 yard 12" x 16" gong regularly off hand


I couldn't hit it offhand but using the sticks it was easy.  Gotta love those old leverguns!



As to all the talk about ballistics and energy I'll just say (I can't help myself) is it never mattered to any critter I've ever shot or seen shot.  My bow is not impressive on paper but kills amazingly well.  I used to hunt with fast skinny bullets but the fastest kills (little or no tracking required) I've seen on big critters (bears and Elk) have come from arrows and big slow bullets.  Put it where it goes and the deal is done.  I know for a fact that a 300 grain cast bullet jogging along at 1200 fps will zip all the way through an Elk taking a shoulder with it.  A 425 grain cast bullet will completely penetrate a black bear long ways (north to south) traveling at Black Powder speeds in my 45-70 and fall dead in his shadow.  I know of two Elk and one bear that were harvested with 45 colts - both with complete penetration, leaving a big permanent wound channel and only a short tracks that were aided by copious amounts of blood on the ground...

[OlJarhead]

Oh ya?  Man I'm lovin' it!


The top one is the Puma, then the Ruger, then below is a 1967 Canadian Centennial Winchester 30-30 Long Gun (as opposed to the Carbine) which I've had since Dad bought it for me new!

Still hits what I want out at 250 yards -- never tried shooting further with it but can't wait to give it a try!

[Windpower]

Jar says
"Do you mean a .475 H&H or something?  They are almost too much to bear in the shoulder and yes they produce energy on a scale that is far superior then the .454 but you tried to compare it to the 30-30 and that's flat wrong."

Nice rifle, Don


First I assume you mean "375" Holland and Holland mag not .475

By all means if you cannot take recoil of a magnum rifle then you have to go with what your shoulder can bear.

"but you tried to compare it to the 30-30 and that's flat wrong."  ??
 

I don't think so

If you look at the table below giving a Hornady 160 gr load, I think that you will see that it is very comparable round ballistically to the 454


Hornady's numbers for its 30 30 Winchester, 160 grain

distance yrds     muz       100       200         300
velocity            2400     2150      1916       1820

energy              2046      1640      1304      1025

In fact it even has the 1000 foot pounds most experts seem to agree on, as being the minimum needed for deer sized critters way out there at 300 yards

I think  the 30 30  compares very well with the ballistics you quoted for the 454.

[MountainDon]

Nice rifle, Don

Thanks. If nothing else it was worth every penny or the reaction when she opened the box.

The rifle is quite nice too.  

[MountainDon]

As for the ballistics, as per usual a discussion revolving around that subject will always bring up a whole lot o opinions. I love big fat bullets for some reason.  I think they are fine for a lot of uses, but usually not at longer (200 - 250+ yard) ranges. Around here I'm not concerned with much over 100 yards as in many places I can't even see that far through the trees.

[MountainDon]