Warnings from the Bogeyman - Look for a coming False Flag event

[glenn kangiser]

When these guys start talking, it does not mean that they are warning us so we can protect ourselves.  It means they are planning to pull a false flag event on us and blame it on someone else.  These are the same people who are responsible for the financial crisis, 9/11 and are trying to enact the NWO and one world financial system eventually.

We let them get away with 9/11 and the bail out.  We likely can't stop this either but at least it is nice to know your enemy.  Some are the ones with the warnings because they are the ones with the plans.

The nukes stolen from Minot were not recovered ( or not all recovered)as the  government owned  propaganda machine made you think.  Some are still wandering around waiting to be dropped by the ones who liberated them.  Many details have been re-written since the original story.  Six nukes stolen by our own leaders.  Lots of Air Force people gave their lives to unsuccessfully try to stop that theft.  At least they were able to blow the whistle and it was not totally silenced.


Warnings from world leaders all within 72 hours

"Australian PM Kevin Rudd - "Nuke strike would make 9/11 insignificant" and other weird warnings"

"Over the last 72 hours there has been a strange melange of cryptic messages leaked from world political leaders about what could be in store for America over the next few months.

These predictions of impending doom come from England, France, Australia and the United States.

Biden told the top Democratic donors that a "generated crisis" will develop within six months and Barak Obama will need the help of community leaders to control the population as unpopular decisions are made and Americans resist.

Biden speaking at the fundraiser, "I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate, And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

Biden's ominous language at the Seattle Sheraton are followed with statements by long time establishment insiders Colin Powell and Madeline Albright both say there is a massive crisis on the horizon and Biden was simply making a "statement in fact."

"The problems will always be there and there's going to be a crisis which will come along on the 21st, 22nd of January that we don't even know about right now." Powell told Meet the Press.

Lord West, adviser to Prime Minister Gordon Brown on national security says, "There is another great plot building up again and we are monitoring. It dipped slightly and is now rising again within the context of severe. The threat is huge. We have done all the things that we need to do, but the threat is building - the complex plots are building,"

Across the channel from England you have the French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner warning the press that he believes Israel will strike Iran before they can develope nuclear weapons completley ignoring the fact that the chief of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohammed ElBradei, said that Iran lacks the key components to produce an atomic weapon.

"The devastation that could be wreaked by one major nuclear weapons incident alone puts 9/11 and almost everything else [in] to the category of the insignificant," Rudd said.

Why are there so many high level politicians around the world in a seemingly coordinated effort warning of huge threats and developing crisis' that may include a nuclear device? Are they preparing the masses for an event or series of events that have been in the making for some time? Is the public being prepared for new and forming enemies with a potential to plunge the entire world into war?"
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A number of notable public figures, to be sure; Biden, Rudd, Colin Powell, Madelaine Albright, Lord West and French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner. Taken alone there are plenty of ready explanations, but within 72hrs.?

Are there any more recent examples out there?

(Daily News Caster)

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As seen in the past, when these guys start talking together and saying the same thing, it is clear that they are conspiring to pull something on us.  Look for our coalition type partners to help each other make this warning a success.

You don't have to worry about non-coalition enemies attacking us.  We have plenty of our own in the house.   

Snicker and call me crazy for now, but do me a favor.... if this event happens remember who to look for. 

Don't let them pass the blame onto some country they are trying to get us all to hate so we will agree with them like they did on 9/11.  Their sights are set on the world.  The US alone is not enough power for them.

How can they accurately predict this?  Simple - they are insiders.  How do you think they got the names of the alleged 9/11 hijackers within less than an hour -- no names were on the airline passenger lists.

http://www.thejerusalemgiftshop.com/israelnews/politics/80-political/335-warnings-from-world-leaders-all-within-72-hours-.html

[ScottA]

Trees and caves make good hiding places. A cave in the trees would be even better. 

[glenn kangiser]

Sounds good.  No need to hide for me but it is good to have an idea of the source for possible corrective action later, and to know which trails to watch.

I was originally following the story saying that all but one was recovered, then they changed that to all were recovered, but I have heard from another source that 3 were recovered and 3 are wandering around aimlessly looking for a home. 

Security layers - multiple - make it positive that the orders to illegally move them came from the executive branch (W's office).  It is reported that Airforce true patriots refused and blew the whistle hence the deaths and cover stories generated later.

The nukes recovered stories are likely propaganda and dis-info otherwise there would be no need for any dead people.

[ScottA]

Scary stuff. The BS comming from W's office seems to indicate they are preparing people for the possiblity of an attack during the transition.

[peternap]

I'm not worried anymore. If we have any terrorist problems, Obama will just whup out his 9!

[glenn kangiser]

Scary stuff. The BS comming from W's office seems to indicate they are preparing people for the possiblity of an attack during the transition.

That is because they and their accessories will provide it.  

I would rate this as about 95% sure to be an inside job with the help of Europe and Mossad with Au. playing along.  The good ol' boy group. That is why they have such good intel on it.

If word gets out enough it could get canceled, like the last time Chertoff (dual citizen) had a gut feeling and Congolisa et al, agreed with him -- they all started spewing the same rhetoric... then the Airforce guys blew the whistle on them...stalled the theft of the nukes and died, so that stalled their first attempt, that many thought would be directed at the West Coast - some mentioned Portland, Oregon.  My understanding is that the three nukes that continued on their journey to an ally are not in a place I trust with them either, IE: they could be used here too.

I'm not worried anymore. If we have any terrorist problems, Obama will just whup out his 9!

You got it, Peter.  He has inside protection from Rahm Emanuel too.  What could be better for our protection than Mossad chief of staff.  I'm not scared of them either - they make me mad taking our country.  Hopefully we will get it back in one piece some day.  We may have to pry it from their fingers though.

Questions about Emanuel's links to the Israeli intelligence service, the Mossad, were allegedly so great that President Bill Clinton was forced to dismiss Emanuel from the White House staff in 1998.

http://bodyontheline.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/rahm-israel-emanuel-north-american-mossad/

No significance to the link -- Just making my point and it  was the first I found- I didn't read the whole article either-- research more if you like.

[glenn kangiser]

I've got something for your consideration.

Chertoff's infamous gut feeling happened  July 10, 2007.  Congoliza confirmed that gut feeling a couple days later. 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2007/07/12/2007-07-12_rice_confirms_warning_signs_of_terror_at.html

Both gut feelings went away after the Air Force true patriots blew the whistle and the deal fell through.  The Military simulations were then subsequently postponed.


Nukes were stolen 8-30-07

August 30, 2007

All of which makes the transport of nuclear weapons in combat position on a combat plane so newsworthy.

On August 30, for the first time since 1968, nuclear warheads in combat position were carried by an American bomber. Numerous international treaty provisions were violated in the process.

That Thursday, a B-52H Stratofortress flew from Minot AFB in North Dakota to Barksdale AFB in Louisiana while carrying twelve cruise missiles. Either five or six of those missiles were armed with nuclear warheads.

Cruise Missiles

The missiles on the B-52 were AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missile units, specifically designed to be launched from wing pods of B-52H planes.

Shortly after Vigilant shield had been planned but was canceled and moved to this year.  Long enough to forget the stolen Nukes?  Military exercises were run on 9/11 and 7/7 in GB to act as cover for their operations.  Will we catch on if they pull this one too?  hmm or will enough noise be made to get them to cancel it?  Hopefully.

Have you heard of "Vigilant Shield 08"? It`s a five days exercice planned by the Northcom/Norad to simulate a state of Martial Law (!) due to a major catastrophe such as a "terrorist attack" in the USA: http://www.northcom.mil/News/2007/083007.html

The "Vigilant Shield 08" was scheduled for the period of October 15-20 2007 but was postponed and is going to start on November 12 2008. It will last until November 18 and its codename was switched to "Vigilant Shield 09": http://www.northcom.mil/News/2008/110508.html

Gut feelings (nuke warning (threats from insiders)) are back and Vigilant shield exercises are planned.  Lets hope they know we're on to them and they don't accidentally drop the real nukes.

The only thing that will stop them if that is their plan is people making noise on the net about figuring out their MO and making them afraid to try to pull it.  As people stop being afraid of them and understand what they are up to and make it public knowledge, they begin to lose their power.  They like to hide behind secrecy and induced fear.

[akemt]

Wishin' I had an underground house about now!  Atleast I'm nowhere near any kind of large population center.  So do you think they'll wait and do it shortly after the election or do it while W's still in power?

Talking about 9-11 and false flag events, anyone watched Dr. Steven E. Jones' "9/11 Revisited: Scientific and Ethical Questions?"  Plenty of info, pictures, graphs, etc explaining the science of why we know they lied about the how's and who's of it...pretty interesting and persuasive.

[glenn kangiser]

If word gets out enough they may have second thoughts, Catherine, but this has been in the planning for quite a while.  I now have a credible source other than the internet that agrees there is something to this.

There are those who think that it may be sooner and the military operations similar to the ones used for cover on 9/11 are starting in a couple days.  At least 3 groups of military are now roaming the streets of the US looking for trouble.  Many of these guys have trained in breaking down doors in Iraq so don't look for them to be nice here. 

Reported on the net, an FBI agent recently said he didn't want to be one of the ones who tried to take the guns away from the American people.  He said he didn't want to die that way.  Hear say, I know but someone had to think it was a problem to even write it if it is not true.

So on one hand there is a military event scheduled similar to 9/11 and 7/7 starting the 12th.  On the other hand there is the gut feeling thing by the elite, January 21 to 23 I think it is. 

I can't say either one will happen because public knowledge of their operations is steadily growing and people are getting wise to their false flags.  The dead Airmen of the Air Force were patriotic enough to stop their first gut feeling and delay the military simulation operation by their actions it appears. 

Obama is seen as the savior by many but that is not what his actions show.  The warnings come from the CFR people mostly and he and his wife are either in it or very close to it.  His chief of staff is likely a Mossad agent from all I've read and is a dual Israeli citizen as well as recently - since 1990 I think I read, been in the Israeli Military.  Search "Rahm Emanuel Mossad" for more info.  It looks as though he is ready to finish what shrub started.

I'm not trying to instill fear here.  The Fed is doing a great job of that.  I am just trying to get people to open their eyes and look at what is going on so they can prepare for things to get much worse.  I'm not even prepared enough myself.  I have gotten pretty used to looking for signs of what they are up to.  When the planes of 9/11 were not intercepted and did their dirty work I was flying all of the time.  My sister called and told me.  I said, BS......absolutely not.  This is an inside job, because what happened with the planes could not have happened without inside help.  My pilot training told me that.  ATC (Air Traffic Control) people have ten times the training and experience I had.  They made a tape of the events that were wrong that day but one of their superiors destroyed it.  Obviously he was in on the joke.

At first you don't want to believe it so you ignore the signs.  Soon the signs are popping up all over and you know something is up.

No guarantees --- just being ready and informed and talking to others about the possibilities is about all we can do. Flushing them out into the open from their hiding place is about all that will delay this type of treason.

Thanks for the Jones info-- I already believe and agree with him so haven't followed up on his later stuff.  Note that some of the 9/11 truth movement has been infiltrated and false thing have been added to make it all lose credibility, so you have to ignore some of the crazy stuff they have put in as mis-information.  Don't let them fool you though.  The official story is an obvious lie.  Jones stuff is backed by scientific observation and his conscience that will not let him go with the government lies.

http://profjones.com/

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586

[muldoon]

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/bin-laden-plans-new-attack-on-united-states/1356333.aspx

More fear mongering propaganda.  Apparently, Al Queada has released attack notices in London papers today. 

[glenn kangiser]

Please remember that al-queada is CIA created entity.  Bin Laden was a CIA asset and was never picked up by them even when they met him at the hospital in Dubai when there was a $2,000,000 price on his head.

This is likely the fictional Bin Laden of the propaganda machine.  The real one stated he did not have anything to do with 9/11 -that it was an inside job by our own people.

I have a friend who was in intelligence and he said he never knew Bin Laden to lie.  The lies come from the fake tapes etc issued using the several different fake Bin Ladens.  Our people employ a production  company to make the fake tapes and messages.

Thanks for the link, muldoon.

[glenn kangiser]

I read the article.  This all fits with the above info.  Australia is in on the joke and will work to forward the NWO, CFR. Bilderberger, Elite plans as indicated by the dual speech using the same notes in Canada and Australia, noted above.

The source close to Al-Queda in Yemen could have been any one of our operatives wanting to spread fear.  This is not to say they will not do something.  Just that they don't scare me.

[akemt]

So here's a question for ya...

If life as we know it is going to change drastically soon and the few freedoms we have left dissappear, I don't know if I really want to be here for it all, as bad as that sounds.  I have four kids under 6 and am a homeschooling, religious, stay-at-home-mom who believes in the constitution.  If things like 0-5 "voluntary" education (VOLUNTARY like our TAXES!) and other things they want to do from change.gov start happening, I'm either going to be fighting, hiding, or moving.  What is your opinion on those three options?  I know that fighting for our freedoms is best for the country, but I wonder what is best for my family.  I don't know if I'm willing to give up my children to the state for the sake of fighting the tyranny.  I could handle the jailing or being martyred other than that --I don't want my children raised by them and indoctrinated in their evil falsehoods.  So, move to another country and hope to avoid the backlash?  Go hide out in the boonies of the US in an underground house with my guns and food storage?  Seems like throughout history people jump ship before the government/society starts to crash...sometimes years before.  I have a group of friends seriously considering doing so and I'm wondering if it would be worthwile to be of that group.

[muldoon]

So here's a question for ya...

If life as we know it is going to change drastically soon and the few freedoms we have left dissappear, I don't know if I really want to be here for it all, as bad as that sounds.  I have four kids under 6 and am a homeschooling, religious, stay-at-home-mom who believes in the constitution.  If things like 0-5 "voluntary" education (VOLUNTARY like our TAXES!) and other things they want to do from change.gov start happening, I'm either going to be fighting, hiding, or moving.  What is your opinion on those three options?  I know that fighting for our freedoms is best for the country, but I wonder what is best for my family.  I don't know if I'm willing to give up my children to the state for the sake of fighting the tyranny.  I could handle the jailing or being martyred other than that --I don't want my children raised by them and indoctrinated in their evil falsehoods.  So, move to another country and hope to avoid the backlash?  Go hide out in the boonies of the US in an underground house with my guns and food storage?  Seems like throughout history people jump ship before the government/society starts to crash...sometimes years before.  I have a group of friends seriously considering doing so and I'm wondering if it would be worthwile to be of that group.

Catherine,

I have considered the same things this past year.  For now we are trying to pursue whatever path will give us the most options later.  If things simply cook along with continual hardships then we'll manage somehow with my job in the city and my wifes new job.  After long enough we might be able to move out of the city permanently, and live a smaller scale life.  (And that sure is ok with me)  If things go truly downhill we may have an option to hide in the country if I can get things built up enough out there soon enough.  If we had to fight, I'm somewhat prepared for that; but I dont know if I am truly mentally ready for such an event to be honest.  Your spot on about making a choice that would affect not only your life but our childrens as well.  That last part is the part that worries me, worries all of us I guess.  Running and hiding out of the USA doesn't really appeal to me that much.  Where would we go?  How would they fare any better than us here?  How would we be treated there?  This economic crises is truly global in nature, and many around the globe put a fair amount of blame on the US for it.  Besides, I personally cant think of anyplace that sounds like home other than where I am. 

It would seem to me that it couldn't hurt to keep in good contact with those self sufficiency folks and plan for the worst but hope for the best.  I imagine reality will land somewhere between the two... 

[glenn kangiser]

I understand your predicament, Catherine.  At this point I am just watching and staying put.  I don't see anyplace to go nor do I want these criminals to chase me away from the country my ancestors pioneered and homesteaded.  It looks as though if he has his way a lot of bad things will start happening but I don't think this is the time to make any decisions.

Looks like they deleted the change.gov topics you have concerns about - common when something gives them problems.  Here is a link to Homeland (I hate that word) Security before they deleted it.  I also saved a copy if this link becomes no good

Here is where I found them with some commentary.  http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10093042-38.html

http://politechbot.com/docs/change.gov.homeland.security.111008.pdf

technology

http://politechbot.com/docs/change.gov.technology.archived.111008.pdf

newsroom

http://politechbot.com/docs/change.gov.blog.archived.111008.pdf

I hope that covers it all.  

His hideous little Obama robots from the Youth Brigade are absolutely unbearable and intolerable.  These little Nazi's will be trained to rat their own parents out.  Is that what we want the state to be allowed to do to our kids... I don't think so.

http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=5564.0

Bush has already bought a ranch in South America to run to-in case it gets too hot for him here.  I hope they are waiting for him there.   Paraguay?

I'm am thinking that many of us will be fighting if it gets that far.

Hiding in the house will likely not work, even an underground one.  It would just be a big box trap.  Fortresses will not work.  Look at Ed and Elaine Brown and the IRS. Retreating back into the mountains may if you are resourceful but very hard to do with children.  They are looking to squash the most ants they can at one time so getting away from major civilization center could help a bit as well as having plenty of dry goods and supplies.  It is reported that guns and ammo are selling like hotcakes now as the threat of gun confiscation is mentioned and or threatened.

What countries are your friends considering?  Any countries aligned with the US will likely not be a good choice as the NWO people are over all of them.  The world is getting too small.  We also know of many friends - not even real close ones that are wanting to get away from the cities and their zones of major influence.
Again - I think it is just a time to get prepared but just keep well informed of goings on and stay put.  If they start trying to push our associates and children into becoming snitches then it is likely the time we will have to do something.

This statement really has me going......"Biden told the top Democratic donors that a "generated crisis" will develop within six months and Barak Obama will need the help of community leaders to control the population as unpopular decisions are made and Americans resist."

They are going to generate the crisis and they are asking Democratic donors to snitch and control the dissidents.  This is where the Haliburton Concentration camps come in it appears.  Aside from the ones on the mainland we know about, I am told they are manufacturing them in an offshore facility and stockpiling them to be deployed near instantly.

What could the unpopular decisions be?  Gun confiscation and roundup of those who do not agree with the NWO- One World Government, Amero agenda of the World Bankers?

Sorry , Catherine, I don't have a good answer on what to do at this time-- just stay alert and prepare.

Let me - us- know what you think on this.

[glenn kangiser]

I am in agreement with muldoon on this.... what he says is about the best outlook we can have...

I was talking to an ex-military friend about this and he says there are not enough of them to enforce it, but they will really be trying to recruit all of the civilians they can.

Seems I just read a bit about a civilian army Osama Obama wants to create -- this would likely be the rat out your friends and neighbors army.

[glenn kangiser]

Here is some on it..

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=69601 Worldnetdaily

"Who will Obama appoint to administer this new "civilian national security force"? Where will the money come from? Where in the Constitution does he see justification for the federal government creating such a domestic army?

The questions are endless.

But before we can hope to get to the specifics, we need much more in the way of generalizations from Obama.

Certainly there have been initiatives like this elsewhere – Cuba, the Soviet Union, China, Venezuela, North Korea. But has anything like this ever been proposed in a free country?

I have a feeling there would be more questions from the press if I myself had proposed the creation of something as preposterous as a "civilian national security force" than there has been about this proposal by the presidential candidate currently leading in most of the polls. I'm quite sure I would be hung out to dry as some kind of Nazi thug. Meanwhile, Obama makes this wild suggestion and it is met with a collective yawn from the watchdogs.

Help me out here. What am I missing?"

[apaknad]

catherine,

i have thought long and hard on these problems for years now. some of my musings... i have studied other countries and ruled out that option(language, being an outsider, gun ownership, among others). fighting? yes, but not in a stand in the doorway and start shooting kind of way, when i was in NAM we vary rarely lost a battle but we lost the war. one of the reasons was we were fighting an enemy that was so resolute that they lived underground like rats to beat us. they adjusted their tactics to use our strengths against us. i don't know anyone that would want to live under ground like that(well, maybe one person). to this day i have respect for the V.C. as an adversary. my point on this is you have to think like a guerilla fighter and stay two steps ahead of the main populace so that you and your family will NOT be the low hanging fruit. go to the boonies but plan an escape route if you have to. for example, here in michigan, if you moved here in the boonies somewhere where is your escape route? all the gov't would have to do is seal off the ohio,indiana border and you have one HUGE concentration camp. can't go north, big mac bridge is sealed off, can't go east or west, great lakes are patrolled. things like that. get your supplies and basic firearms and anything to help you be 100% independent in you survivability. we still have a little time, you don't have to do it all at once. start w/firearms and ammo. if you want more info on that let me know. osama is going to erode our gun ownership rights so that is a good place to start. stock up on heirloom seeds. what are you limited to financially(generally speaking) good credit? do you have land, or looking?
books on surviving are good. tools. lots of other things but this and what others have to offer will give you some ideas and more will be forthcoming if you ask. hope it helps a little.

dan

[peternap]

I don't talk about this much. Too many know nothing experts on the internet to argue with.

There will be places to go. If that happens, lines will be drawn and other countries will either support Obama or not. We just don't know how it will divide yet. Just watch and remember the enemy of my enemy.

apaknad is right in a very general way. We did lose few BATTLES in Vietnam, however, it was more common than not to engage one or more snipers and after the fight, find we did nothing more than shoot up the brush.
Depending on where you were, it was a good idea to watch where you stepped or leaned or stood. They were the kings of booby traps.
The tunnels were a project of national pride. You can't imagine how many and how diverse they were. Just amazing.

They were inventive people who just weren't stopped by anything. If they needed to carry hundreds of pounds and couldn't bring it any other way, would strap it all to a bicycle and push it 50 miles.

I'm off the topic. Thankfully my kids are grown. Unfortunately, they have kids. They will likely have to become good citizens because of the kids. That is a fact of life when you are responsible for others. You will also separate the wheat from the chaff if there is gun confiscation. At lest 50% of the "you can have my guns when they pry them from my dead fingers"...people, will be turning in their guns without a whimper.

I expect some states will split off. That's when the organized fight will start. I like to point out the breakup of the Soviet Union. You might want to do a lot of reading about it.
My guess is that is just an advance viewing of us.

[Bishopknight]

"We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth... For my part, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst; and to provide for it." - Patrick Henry

"The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy. To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. Thus the good fighter is able to secure himself against defeat, but cannot make certain of defeating the enemy." - Sun Tzu

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless yet be determined to make them otherwise." -  F. Scott Fitzgerald

[harry51]

This is not meant as a personal attack, and frankly, I don't really know if I would have the balls to follow their example (talk is cheap, and I don't think ANYONE REALLY knows until crunch time), but the Founders didn't decline to fight tyranny just because they had families to think of, in fact, those families were a big part of their motivation to win freedom.

The erosion of our personal liberty has been mainly brought about by a populace willing to trade their personal liberty, which comes with a requirement for personal responsibility, for (in reality, empty) gov't promises of security, which always come with requirements that we concede some of our prerogatives.

The bottom line is that we have to deal with these problems BEFORE we get the phone call saying: "This is the principal at Susie's middle school. You will have to come to pick her up this afternoon, and the Federal Magistrate sitting here in my office says to bring all the guns his firearms purchase background check and ammunition purchase records indicate you have, or Susie will be staying with us." That's the kind of situation that would make me question if I had the balls to do what I know would be right, as opposed to what would be expedient, and I suspect I'm not the only one.

In reality, I don't know that Obamasama is really any more radical than the Commie Clintons, and they did some damage, but we survived it and even gained back some ground, like the non-renewal of the so-called "assault weapons ban." We have to remember that the real power is in the congress, and we must hold their feet to the fire to do their only real job, which is to preserve and protect our God-given, Constitutionally guaranteed rights.

All that said, and I hope it doesn't happen, but we could come to where the lead we use to vote doesn't come from a pencil.......

[akemt]

Great information from all --thanks!  It is so nice to have an intelligent "conversation" about this stuff.  I was considering what the founding fathers did as well as examples from the Bible and Book of Mormon --there were times to fight, they were always to prepare, and there were times to hide or sort-of comply so as to be ready to fight another day.  I am willing to fight.  I feel I was given these specific children so that they can grow up prepared to do and give all for freedom.  They were prepared before they were taught by me.  That I know.  I guess what I'm really worried about is being on the front line years or decades before the battle for freedom ever takes off.  I know someone has to do it.  Someone has to be the example of what their tyranny has done to cause outrage in the honest, educated populous to inspire them to defend or gain back their freedoms.  I guess I'd just rather join the fight, being more prepared than most, than be the starting point.  Does that make sense?  We're already so very different and separate from many of those around us that I can't help but think we'll be obvious targets of attack from the get-go.  That's the mother in me talking.  I've made the choice already to be an outcast from society at large, but

Glenn, I don't remember all of what was on the website (my husband would though), but there was a "mandatory yearly service" thing (included more than military service) and the 0-5 education.  I'll have him see if he can find it again.  The question of an army can be found there.  Mandatory service with life-long indoctrination.  Or, have you ever thought about what  you do with a standing army the size of China's?  They're ready to be deployed.  Not to mention, what do you do when you have a generation of men?  Go to war.  Interesting thoughts.

[glenn kangiser]

I have to get to work but thanks for everyone's well thought out input on this.  I think this bears continued discussion.  It is no longer a conspiracy theory.  Things are pointing to real events happening and it is a time to be watchful and informed.

Catherine, feel free to continue to talk with us here and point interested friends here as well.

This is not a place for radicals to spew.  This is a place for concerned citizens, parents and families to carry on an intelligent conversation about dealing with indicated future problems.  Thanks for all of your intelligent comments, experience and observation. 

Remember that if what they talk about looks bad that the things they aren't talking about or are removing and hiding could get worse....then again...maybe not.  No easy answers.  Just prepare yourselves for as much as possible.

Only by talking about things we'd rather not, can we help others to make informed decisions.  Thanks, all.

[peternap]

If you really dig, our founding fathers were in the minority and a pretty rough bunch.

Circumstances were such that they felt they had to fight or starve.

If you want a first hand look at the tactics wer would have to use in a guerrilla war, look at some of the LA street gangs, the ones with central America refugees in it. That's what they did for a living before coming here.

[ScottA]

I hate to say this but the justification for creating a domestic army will be people like us. Those who would resist these communist / marxist moves here in the US will be demonized. They will make state enemies of the patriots and scare the masses into helping them. Best to forget about open armed resistance of any kind and look at education and passive resistance as better options for the time being. Until they make themselves so unpopular that even the sheep hate them there is no point making a fuss.