Universal Health Insurance

Sassy · November 30, 2007, 12:41:45 PM

John Edwards has a plan for universal health care http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/11/edwards-garnish.html

More Gov't interference, control, taxes...

Under the Edwards plan, when Americans file their income taxes, they would be required to submit a letter from an insurance provider confirming coverage for themselves and their dependents.

If someone did not submit proof of coverage, the Internal Revenue Service would notify a newly established regional or state-based health-care agency (which Edwards has dubbed a Health Care Market).

Those regional agencies would then evaluate whether the uninsured individual was eligible for Medicare (which covers those over 65), Medicaid (which covers the indigent), or S-CHIP (the State Children's Health Insurance Program which targets the working poor).

If the individual was not eligible for either of those existing public programs, the regional-health care agency would enroll the individual into the lowest cost health-care plan available in that area. The lowest-cost option could be a new Medicare-like public option or a private insurance plan.

The newly covered individual would not only have access to health benefits but would also be responsible for making monthly payments with the help of a tax credit.

Think of the bureaucracy & $$$$ involved to support this program!!!

glenn kangiser · November 30, 2007, 01:16:19 PM

Note that the above would then let them garnish your wages and in worse cases they would have the ability to confiscate your land. (Not specifically stated, but the things stated lead directly to this.)

Can you spell, "I'm mad as Hell and I'm not going to take this anymore."

Please have a look at this famous movie clip.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/mp3clips/newmoviespeeches/moviespeechnetworkfasf24323932297327392.mp3 Audio MP3

from http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechnetwork2.html

November 30, 2007, 02:00:11 PM

So we are mad as hell. What's to be done about this mess? The last time people in this country where forced to pay without a say so there was a revolution. That was over 200 years ago. The real power over the people is held by the media. How do you get access to a media that's controlled by the money that's created this mess? We build our cabins in the woods, disconnect from a system we can't stand and hope like hell they don't notice us hiding in the trees.

Scott

StinkerBell · November 30, 2007, 02:38:44 PM

The Edwards plan is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.

StinkerBell · November 30, 2007, 02:40:05 PM

On a paranoid note, what a way to make sure the IRS is never abolished. No fair tax act, nada.

November 30, 2007, 04:41:25 PM

We don't need any new stinking bureaucracies. None. Don't need a John Edwards either.

glenn kangiser · November 30, 2007, 11:17:49 PM

Think about it -- this could take taxes up over 50% when you add the mandatory insurance requirement. I know people who don't make $600 to $800 in two weeks which is near what we have been paying for health insurance for 2 of us (for 1 month)- and we seldom use it. Makes me want to go for the big one just to get our money back.

Edwards must have insurance business ties.

glenn kangiser · November 30, 2007, 11:38:29 PM

Dang -- how did I know-- http://freepress.org/departments/display/20/2007/2690

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118728685546999884.html

Simple - follow the money - nearly everyone in high office nowadays has an inside deal going.

williet · December 01, 2007, 12:15:14 PM

Edwards REALLY believes he is going to be elected....and he MAY be right.

I hear people all the time say they will NOT put a woman or a black person in the White House, nomatter who or how qualified the person is .... I am in the South, but before that false assumption is made....MANY of the people I hear talking like that have moved here from other areas of the US...The North East and the West Coast. The FEW Southern folks around here (who are not blind Republicans) seem to favor Obama over Hillary or Edwards....Edwards is in fact the last choice.....

It will be a shame if Edwards is correct in his belief....It will mean the country hasn't come very far in the last 40 years.(But then the country did actually elect Bush ...ONCE!!.....so maybe we're not very intellegent as a group).

We don't have much to choose from...as is usual, but this election may be the most important ever in our history. The election isn't just for the person to be President, but more important, for all the hundreds the President will appoint.

Healthcare is one of the most important issues of this election, but ... what will we do if the Second Ammendment is redefined by this "Bush" Supreme Court? People have feared the liberals would take the Second Ammendment ....the right of private gun ownership... away for years, but now it looks as though the terror-phobic neo-cons will collect our guns to "keep us safe". Look to Homeland Security (the Neuvo-Nazi branch of our government), and the Patriot Act (the Constitutional By-pass Act) when our LEGAL rights become ILLEGAL......and our military is used against us, the legal citizens of this country, to uphold the destruction of the Constitution...as well as the destruction of our SOVEREIGN Nation.

Thomas Jefferson fought for individual RIGHTS to be in the body of the Constitution giving the common citizen a "leg to stand on" AGAINST our own government, should it become corrupt. It was a hard fought struggle... and in the end, these RIGHTS had to be placed in a seperate document, The Bill Of Rights. These documents were seperated in order to reach a compromise that allowed the Constituton to be ratified in a timley manner. Two seperate documents of EQUAL importance to the Nation.....The First of these individual rights was, the RIGHT to FREE speech and the Second, the RIGHT to own (and use if needed ) arms to defend the others. An armed public is a free public.....IF the Second Ammendment falls, what about the rest of the Bill Of Rights? What about the Constitution? This is not a joke. Whether we would use arms to defend our rights or not is left to the individual....but WE HAVE THE RIGHTS....no other country on the planet has these rights.....Will we piss them away over the fear of terrorism?

Will we allow PHOBIA to forever change our Nation?

I would ask everyone to be diligent in their selection of a candidate.....THIS election is more than homosexual marriage, health care and taxes. It could very well be the Nation as we know it.

SORRY...I get carried away sometimes!

December 01, 2007, 01:51:19 PM

williet it seems to me that most of the rights you're talking about have already been lost. We already have gun control and have had for years. Do you really think you could put up a fight with a hunting rifle against the military? Free speach? Try talking open rebelion and see how fast you get arrested. You don't even have the right to a trial anymore. If they want to they can just lable you a terrorist and ship you off to a prison in africa. Bush has done more to sweep the constitution under the rug than any president in memory but he hasn't done anything that hasn't been already happening for over a century. Ben Franklin was right when he said the republic would be hard to keep. It pretty much ended with the cival war. What we have now is nothing more than legislative tyrany. Even the elections are rigged. Why do you think all the canidates for president suck? It doesn't matter who you elect the result will be the same until a real canidate can get on the ballot and have the funds to run a proper campain. I think it's odd that so many in politics have ties to big business and big money. Why don't we ever see a carpenter or a teacher running for office? Because they'd be cut to pieces by the media before they could even get started.

I can remember watching the waco tragedy live on TV years ago and thinking this can't be america when the APC plowed through the side of the building and burned it down. Then saw how the news was edited to show what the governent wanted us to see. But this America and this what we have to deal with. We can make the best of it or we can go around being bitter about a lost dream and shattered beliefs. Take care of you and yours as best you can and mind your own business is probly the best course at this point. The American empire is too huge to be affected by a few dreamers. A better system would be many smaller nation states instead of one huge goliath. Then a man or woman might have a real voice. This is the world we live in and this is the hand we're given.

/rant off

Scott

StinkerBell · December 01, 2007, 05:49:39 PM

So when this country comes to civil war its those who have guns that will win. I do not think the extreme lefties believe or even carry guns.

glenn kangiser · December 01, 2007, 11:42:16 PM

No problem, Stink -- if there is a problem, Heir Bush will declare Martial Law and bring the military and Blackwater in on us. We won't have enough guns. Haliburton has already built the concentration camps for dissenters along with other places that will be made use of.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm One of dozens of links confirming this and Haliburton also recently confirmed that hteir contracts had been completed.

Williet said,

Quotethe country did actually elect Bush ...ONCE!!

I think I have to differ with you on that Williet. He was installed into office by the supreme court first. He was kept in office by computer fraud in the second election. He has never been elected.

It doesn't matter though. As Scott A said, you will not be allowed a choice that isn't controlled by the shadow government. As you saw with the recent takeover by the dems, they are all on the same page -- Pelosi said no impeachment as soon as they got there. That was not the will of the people. The people are being ignored and they continue to profit on both sides of high office as they wish.

StinkerBell · December 02, 2007, 12:17:26 AM

Hmmmm, well when I fight I fight dirty. I bite and will punch in the no punch zone, if ya know what I mean

glenn kangiser · December 02, 2007, 12:30:32 AM

Way to go, Stink. Take a few of them down with you. Slug 'em in the huevos.

December 02, 2007, 12:40:16 AM

I am very confused with that word. Does not that mean eggs? and if so why would I punch a woman there? I mean really for a woman you punch somewhere else....A man has no eggs, so why do they call down there that?

glenn kangiser · December 02, 2007, 12:48:29 AM

You must study your Spanish Slang, Stink. Yes - eggs. Soon the south western half of the US will be part of Mexico.

It refers to a man. It refers to where a dirty fighter would probably hit. PNW people would probably call them the family jewels.

StinkerBell · December 02, 2007, 12:52:25 AM

I grew up in Los Angeles, and my Spanglish isnt that bad. I just never got the logic to it.

Like, Dude I grew up in the San Fernando Valleyyyy.....Totallllyyy. Fer Sure.

glenn kangiser · December 02, 2007, 01:02:44 AM

That's right - I keep forgetting.

No logic - just slang --like Rocky Mountain Oysters to an Oregonian.

StinkerBell · December 02, 2007, 01:04:24 AM

You mean Rocky Mountain Oysters?

Never had that or Haggis. How about you?

glenn kangiser · December 02, 2007, 01:06:44 AM

Yup -- and I just couldn't do that -- I could barely take a taste of brains, and I don't think I would put anything called Haggis in my mouth.

December 02, 2007, 03:22:34 PM

Quote from: glenn kangiser on December 01, 2007, 11:42:16 PM
No problem, Stink -- if there is a problem, Heir Bush will declare Martial Law and bring the military and Blackwater in on us. We won't have enough guns. Haliburton has already built the concentration camps for dissenters along with other places that will be made use of.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm One of dozens of links confirming this and Haliburton also recently confirmed that hteir contracts had been completed.

Williet said,

Quotethe country did actually elect Bush ...ONCE!!

I think I have to differ with you on that Williet. He was installed into office by the supreme court first. He was kept in office by computer fraud in the second election. He has never been elected.

It doesn't matter though. As Scott A said, you will not be allowed a choice that isn't controlled by the shadow government. As you saw with the recent takeover by the dems, they are all on the same page -- Pelosi said no impeachment as soon as they got there. That was not the will of the people. The people are being ignored and they continue to profit on both sides of high office as they wish.

I'llgo with that. The first election was outright fraud and the second was questionable....I was giving him the second trying to be nice.

Sassy · December 02, 2007, 07:28:26 PM

They're also trying to take away our ability to purchase vitamins, supplements, herbs etc.
Check this out on plans for "Codex"

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php/?p=46o
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php/?p=47

glenn kangiser · December 03, 2007, 02:28:47 AM

Bad thing about the so called elections is that there are no real choices -- it's bad or worse. Elections are only to make you feel guilty because you thing you had a part in voting the bastard in, or to make you feel that he was voted in fair and square.

Elections are nothing but a hoax to help the shadow government keep a handle on the people. the people do not for the most part want to feel that they are being had so badly by their government. They want to believe that the system works and do not want to see that it doesn't.

It works alright - keeps them under control while the criminals in office steal them blind, of money and freedom and send their sons and daughters to die in an illegal, immoral undeclared war.

williet · December 03, 2007, 11:15:48 AM

Quote from: Sassy on December 02, 2007, 07:28:26 PM
They're also trying to take away our ability to purchase vitamins, supplements, herbs etc.
Check this out on plans for "Codex"

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php/?p=46o
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php/?p=47

SASSY.....somebody's got to keep us safe!

Somewhere sombody's overdosed on sage, you know? Water will be next (oops! water's already regulated). IF the FDA has it's way...any and all foods will be by prescription only.....look what that would do for the insurance industry...and think of the actual work it would provide for Home Land Security. They could enter any house to look for a food prescription.....and they might find a terrorist!

The FDA...another branch of the government that's too full of its self to do the job they were created for...make sure our food supply is safe.

It seems anytime our government, local, state and federal actually has to do something...it just makes more regulations. No work...just rules and penalties. Tax to pay for the regulation makers and fines to pay for the enforcers....Why not allow some freedom and cut back on the tax and fines?

But this is about insurance...I forgot. Yep, we need universal insurance...birth to death...just because. It should be one of the handouts that Americans get...a benifit of being a LEGAL citizen. The government could share the wealth with the folks who make it.

Sassy · December 03, 2007, 02:20:48 PM

Williet, you've written some masterpieces - ya otta run for office

You still have some hope, like I'm trying to hold on to... ScottA, you sound like Glenn.. $:-\$

Last night I was talking to one of the police officers at work - 1st time we really talked about the state of the nation & world, he was about ready to handcuff & lock me up, I had upset him so much by questioning things

Now, whenever I'm working he stops by & asks me "what's new?" Last night I gave him a few articles - a couple by retired police officers & one about the "Thought Crimes" bill HR1955 that the house passed in October & the senate is supposed to vote on soon. His eyes are getting opened REAL fast!

SCHIP will allow illegals to sign up...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071203/NATION/112030026/1002/NATION