Bedroom off Master Bedroom

rv4life · March 14, 2016, 08:11:27 AM

Hello,

I was wondering if I could get some advice. I am creating a plan for a future home. Although I do not have a family, I am creating the plan for the future when I will. Right now, there is a bit of distance between the Master bedroom and a second bedroom. The second bedroom is adjacent to the master bath, towards the rear of the home. Has anyone ever put a door from the master bedroom to a second bedroom? I am thinking it could be great for a nursery. It would cut down walking from the master to the other bedroom in half. I am thinking it could be locked once the child is older. And could still be useful if I ever have a special needs child, babysit, or someday have grandkids. Has anyone done this or do you have any thoughts?

Thank you,

John

rick91351 · March 14, 2016, 09:29:05 AM

A doorway can be framed into a wall ahead of time. In essence a header framed conventionally. Toss in a couple cripple studs on center for nailing sheet rock off to. Just sheet rock it normal. Then is there is a need you can open it up and put a door in. There is a problem with special needs and such. You need to be able to have a spot a refuge where it is a sanctuary of saneness. That very well might be the master bed room. Also you can always put the door in. If you don't like it just take it out. Easy enough to do nothing much is permanent in a home. So you will find I would bet that spare door way into another room is a great waste of wall space. The dresser or the bed or the _______________ needs to go there.

Personal observation - Some people always want to try something 'new'. I look at it as 'Reinvent the wheel syndrome.' - Usually they find out soon that they were not the first to think of it. And there is a reason it is not done that way today.

Redoverfarm · March 14, 2016, 04:22:15 PM

I have to agree with Rick on this one. With the age of technology there are cameras and monitors which could be utilized to keep an eye on the wee one. Most likely that spare room will become the room for a growing child and like others things once a habit is learned it is hard to discourage it.

MountainDon · March 14, 2016, 05:16:46 PM

I believe connecting bedrooms like that would be more of a detriment than advantage for a few reasons, one of which would be the appeal to prospective buyers.

Children don't stay small long enough to warrant a nursery off the master bedroom, IMO, unless the family plan is to have a newborn every year on an ongoing basis. Our goal as parents included getting the infant into their own room as soon as possible. But that is getting into the arena of parenting styles.

Are there only 2 bedrooms total? Aside from the master bath is there to be a second full bathroom? As far as distanced between bedrooms some folks like to have a little space between the master bedroom and the others. Others do not; that will partly depend on the total square footage of the proposed home.

Have any drawings?

rv4life · March 15, 2016, 09:37:19 AM

Thank you for all of your feedback. The home is quite large with three stories and bedrooms dispersed throughout the home. Right now, there is a bit of distance between the Master bedroom and another bedroom. The second bedroom is adjacent to the master bath, towards the rear of the home. Above the nursery there is a connecting room labeled nanny/guest suite. I am thinking this could be used for guests and overnight babysitters/grandparents. I figured it would be best to put a nursery in a quiet location of the home. What are your thoughts on the layout? I have virtually "furnished" the nursery and nanny room, just not the master or bath yet. That is why it looks blank. Once I am done with the today tonight or tomorrow I will share the rest of it. Thank you again!

March 15, 2016, 12:18:32 PM

With a home that large and off the master bath hey why not. Then I would lock the door or better yet panel or sheet rock over the doors. might take a bump out but you have your space. When the tail lights of the last kid drive out the drive. Open it up to a home office / writers loft with walls lined with built in book cases. Or my wife would have it for her sowing and quilting studio.

Looking at the floor plan I am not so opposed to it. Oh by the way

Hey if you want to RV4life why the house....

MountainDon · March 15, 2016, 01:28:37 PM

OK that makes more sense seeing the amount of floor space and room positions.

One thing that caught my eye though is the winder section on the stairway. I don't think coming to a point like that on the inside of the turn is a good idea and I am sure that code for a number of years now does not permit that as drawn. IIRC, the stair tread width (depth) has to be at least 10 inches when measured at a point 12 inches out from the apex of the turn and at no point can the tread be less than 6 inches. . Or something like that. I can't seem to find my documentation and have to run off right now.

rv4life · March 15, 2016, 01:33:48 PM

Quote from: MountainDon on March 15, 2016, 01:28:37 PM
OK that makes more sense seeing the amount of floor space and room positions.

One thing that caught my eye though is the winder section on the stairway. I don't think coming to a point like that on the inside of the turn is a good idea and I am sure that code for a number of years now does not permit that as drawn. IIRC, the stair tread width (depth) has to be at least 10 inches when measured at a point 12 inches out from the apex of the turn and at no point can the tread be less than 6 inches. . Or something like that. I can't seem to find my documentation and have to run off right now.

Thank you for your feedback. I am a little clueless when it comes to architectural terms so forgive me when I ask questions. Do you mean that the two walls that come together in the stair should be curved instead of L shaped?

rv4life · March 15, 2016, 01:36:25 PM

Quote from: rick91351 on March 15, 2016, 12:18:32 PM
With a home that large and off the master bath hey why not. Then I would lock the door or better yet panel or sheet rock over the doors. might take a bump out but you have your space. When the tail lights of the last kid drive out the drive. Open it up to a home office / writers loft with walls lined with built in book cases. Or my wife would have it for her sowing and quilting studio.

Looking at the floor plan I am not so opposed to it. Oh by the way Hey if you want to RV4life why the house....

Thank you for your advice! I really appreciate it. I actually have camped a great deal in my life and still love it. I chose that for most usernames years ago and just sort of stuck with it. I love large homes as well for some reason.

rick91351 · March 15, 2016, 03:52:14 PM

Quote from: rv4life on March 15, 2016, 01:36:25 PM
Thank you for your advice! I really appreciate it. I actually have camped a great deal in my life and still love it. I chose that for most usernames years ago and just sort of stuck with it. I love large homes as well for some reason.

Small houses do not work for us. Funny I found this forum when I was looking for a small cabin for up at our ranch in Idaho quite a few years ago now. We decided to move to the ranch on a full time bases when I retired. The small cabin gave way to a larger home not huge but nice size and roomy, warm and made for us..... but I still hang out here.....

rv4life · March 15, 2016, 04:00:51 PM

I love large homes. I seem to like a very open downstairs and very private, quiet second and third floors. Funny you mentioned a ranch. I am in the process of developing a commercial, family friendly dude ranch resort here in rural Florida. The home I posted the floor plan of I hope to have as part of a private, "family compound" for my own family. It certainly is a pipe dream but I hope to accomplish it.

MountainDon · March 15, 2016, 04:08:32 PM

Quote from: rv4life on March 15, 2016, 01:33:48 PM
Thank you for your feedback. I am a little clueless when it comes to architectural terms so forgive me when I ask questions. Do you mean that the two walls that come together in the stair should be curved instead of L shaped?

A stairway winder is the area where the steps, the treads, are cut in a wedge shape. As drawn the treads come to a point on the inner end, the right side as you go down from the illustrated floor. New stair code states the narrowest part of the tread can be no less than 6 inches, so no pints as drawn. Also no less than 10" depth to the tread when measured at 12 inches from the inside of that turn.

That's a change in code that is dated back a few years. Until then I believe points were allowed. However, irrespective of code or perhaps a lax enforcement where you plan to build, I would give serious thought to changing those winders. I have moved furniture, including king size mattresses up and down stairways with a winder. It was horrible to say the least. If you can replace those winder steps with a landing of at least 36 x 36 inches stair navigation is improved. That's my opinion on that.

Stairs can be difficult to design and maintain all the proper clearance distances, both the minimum widths and headroom clearances.

MountainDon · March 15, 2016, 04:45:17 PM

Find out what version of the IRC is used where this is to be built. You need to know that to know what rules are in effect.

There is an illustrated online version of the stairway code. The drawings make it easy to interpret what the rules state. Go here for the 2009 version. There is a newer version, 2012, but that one is not available free. Over here.. Older 2006 version here.

The actual written code is available online here for the 2012 version. The entire IRC in it's entirety is available starting on this page. Pick the version and go from there. A state government selects the version to be used statewide. Then counties and local governments can make additions (further rules or restrictions) but not deletions. Therefore the code that is applicable to your project location may have rules that differ from the documents linked to above. Your local governing body may have their own version of the IRC available online.

rv4life · March 23, 2016, 11:56:33 AM

Thank you for your advice. I highly appreciate it. I have finally finished working on the plan and have attached the entire floor plan and exterior pictures. If you have the time, I'd highly appreciate any feedback. Thank you again. I added a kitchen and private staircase to the nanny / guest suite to create a more private space while still being close to the nursery.

The home is 6,168 square feet. It contains 6 bedrooms, a bunk room, and a sleeping porch. It also contains 7.5 baths. I understand it looks over the top. I hope to someday have many children and host family members. Two concerns I have right now is whether the master closet is very narrow and that the sleeping porch is only accessed through two bedrooms.

First Floor - 2,084 square feet