Permit needed for this barn/carport?

[UpToNoGood]

Can I build one of these in New Mexico without a permit?

https://steelcontainers.container-source.com/images/CMS/images/uniqueuses02.jpg

I want 2 20 ft containers spread 20 ft apart.  Both Containers will be on gravel. 

Thanks

[NM_Shooter]

Probably will depend on where you are located.  Where in NM are you? 

To me, I bet that if you use bolts to tie the trusses to the containers you can argue that it is portable :-) 

You would not get away with that in Rio Rancho, but outside of Espanola and nobody would look twice!

[MountainDon]

In a farm or ranch setting?  In most parts of rural AG zoned NM you should not have any problems. Your county planning and zoning department should have information.

In the more rural areas of RR it could work too, but not where we are.

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[UpToNoGood]

It is in Catron Co.  40 acres in a subdivision.  Our subdivision bylaws don't have an issue with it. 

[UpToNoGood]

I guess nothing is stopping me for going with a permit to get this done.  I didn't plan to cut any corners either way.

[rick91351]

It sounds as if you are in an AG area - check and see if you county issues AG building permits.  They are usually a lot cheaper.  Here the engineering requirements are relaxed as are the 'drawings'.  No need for proposed elevations nor cross-sections.    However the building can not be used for commercial applications nor domicile.  Here at this time building inspections are not done on AG permits at this time but they were required when we built our shop.  Sort a hiccup in the county.  However state electric and plumbing permits are required and inspected if such is going to be electrified or plumbed.     

[UpToNoGood]

Don,

Do you know who I can contact to get approval on this and what might be required? 

[hpinson]

I don't see any building department listed on the Catron Country website. You might contact the County Assesr or Clerk for guidance.

http://www.catroncounty.us/index.html

Assessor:

Susan Griffin, County Assessor
cassessr@gilanet.com
PO Box 416
Reserve, NM 87830
575-533-6577
575-533-6556 Fax

M. Keith Riddle, County Clerk
catronclerk@gilanet.com
PO Box 197
Reserve, NM 87830
575-533-6400 Phone/Fax

[MountainDon]

Either would be the place to start. There are some counties w/o their own permitting and inspection office. In that case you deal with the state CID (construction industries department/division) directly. I used an office in ABQ many years ago.

[UpToNoGood]

Thanks for the info.

I contacted them both asking what to do next. 

[hpinson]

Keep us posted on what Catron County requires. Some of us would be interested. Thanks.

[UpToNoGood]

Keep us posted on what Catron County requires. Some of us would be interested. Thanks.

Keith replied already.  That was fast.  I guess I will call them. 

Catron County has no building or zoning rules and therefore has no permit requirements. You may want to contact the Construction Industries Division to see if a building permit is required from the state. Their information is:

Construction Industries/Manufactured Housing Division
Regulation and Licensing Department
2550 Cerrillos Road
Santa Fe, NM  87505
(505) 476-4700

[UpToNoGood]

So I just got off the phone with the Santa Fe guys.  They do require a permit on any building larger than 120sf.  They want stamped drawings for a lic engineer from the state of NM.  The drawings need to show how the containers are attached to the ground.  They also want to know how the roof will be connected to the containers. 

[hpinson]

Engineer stamped drawings. Ugh. The worlds most expensive shed. 

[UpToNoGood]

I have no idea what Engineer stamped drawings cost. 

Anyone have a ballpark figure on what I would expect to pay?

[UpToNoGood]

I think I have found a way around all this madness. 

I will have my general contractor prep the site for both containers with a gravel base.  Place both containers on the gravel base.

Then have a Mueller car port with independent posts placed around the containers.  Mueller will approve this, but not having their roof system attached to my containers. 

[rick91351]

Bummer  but Interesting and the wheels of progress grind to more of a halt.  How many shipping containers are used for storage sheds that are not fastened to the ground.  I could see them wanting the info on how you plan to have trusses fastened to the two containers.  IE brackets welded for each truss and bolted.  They run it by the county engineer.  Here if it is an AG building they are a lot more open to what you can do.  No commercial use and no domicile allowed.   

By the way I do like the idea of using the shipping containers such as you are proposing.

[rick91351]

BTW did you produce that photo to them that they might understand it better?   My word that is crazy......

Check with the truss company if they have a way around this.  Their product will come with drawings and stamped!

[UpToNoGood]

Check with the truss company if they have a way around this.  Their product will come with drawings and stamped!

Their product is stamped by an engineer if you use all of their stuff.  As soon as I change the original plans and attach their trusses to my containers they won't stamp the plans.

We all know the containers will hold the weigh and then some.  They just don't want to get sued. 

So I have to hire an engineer to have their proven trusses aproved for use on the containers. 

[UK4X4]

run a 2x6 down the length of the container, bolted down to the container as per a base plate would be by code, use simpson truss brackets, hurricain ties.

You then have a standard -to code roof- engineered by the truss company.........using standard connections and support.

Anchoring the containers down.......mmmm, usually they weigh enough to never move !

They do have anchoring points at all 4 corners

Screw piles are a standard foundation design, you wont need them in compression, only for uplift.

Install 1 at each corner, with a steel plate on top, level the gravel to the steel plates, weld the corners to the piles.

The pile company do the engineering .......I think your sorted !