Ten Years After 2001/9/11

MountainDon · September 07, 2011, 12:12:40 AM

I simply want to express my hopes that as 9/11 nears, that we as a group of individuals with varying views on everything surrounding September 11, 2001, can maintain an aura of respect for those who died in NYC and DC that day. Thanks for listening.

glenn kangiser · September 07, 2011, 01:03:38 AM

I agree, Don and out of respect for the families, I would like to see the same thing they want regarding building 7 and the other buildings.

QuoteFamilies of the victims demand that the cause of the collapse be investigated carefully because millions of people around the world, and not just scientists and engineers, want these unanswered questions answered.

'WTC-7 impossible to have fallen by fire' and yes, I am aware who the source is....but they do have the courage to bring it up.

I have total respect for those who were martyred on that day....but not for the ones who are responsible in even the slightest manner.

Respect does not necessarily mean that we should sit back, not talk about it and look the other way while singing along with Lee Greenwood.

September 07, 2011, 07:05:27 AM

Well said, Glenn

1500 Architects and Engineers think we need a new unbiased investigation into WTC 7 collapse. The victims of the attacks deserve nothing less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hZEvA8BCoBw

peternap · September 07, 2011, 01:58:20 PM

Don, that is one of the most level headed and mature posts I think I've ever read.

As I sit here, I'm putting the finishing touches on a Doc that in essence, discusses the end of our constitutional way of life.

I tend to forget the people who died in the attack!

MountainDon · September 07, 2011, 06:14:35 PM

I'd like to read that when you are done

September 07, 2011, 10:02:48 PM

Since April, I've made about fourteen round trip flights to Vermont thru JFK, Laguardia, and Reagan National. Every one of those trips I've thought about the events on 9-11. On one flight we busted out of the clouds over lower Manhattan and ground zero was less than 4000 feet below. (just a guess, Glenn)

My connecting flight tomorrow is thru Boston Logan. And yes, I'll have thoughts about 9-11.

The loss of lives on that day in 2001 was horrible................why

There are mysteries in life, i.e....the origin of the universe, the chicken or the egg.

And then there are also secrets......Someone knows, but they aren't talking..........why

sparks

glenn kangiser · September 08, 2011, 01:16:34 AM

Probably a pretty good guess, Sparks.

Windpower · September 10, 2011, 10:08:11 AM

(CINCINNATI, Ohio) – In John Farmer's book: "The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America's Defense on 9/11″, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version... is almost entirely untrue...

The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.

Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

more here

http://spktruth2power.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/the-911-commission-rejects-own-report-as-based-on-government-lies/

glenn kangiser · September 10, 2011, 10:31:36 AM

I just ordered it. Paperback .18 plus $3.99 shipping Surprising how cheap it gets when so many don't want to know any different than what is in their comfort zone.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1594484783/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new

I did not think Bush ordered it. He was a figurehead and not that smart. His eyes in the school goat story video said he knew what was going down though. After that they released his codes to AF1 to keep him in hiding while events were directed by others is the way I see it. Once it was done he was called back in to act as if he was directing the response.

Out of respect for the people martyred on that day, of course it would behoove all of us to insist an a real investigation though the chances of that are nearly nil.

September 10, 2011, 11:47:56 AM

A short video w/Thomas H Kean, former gov of NJ one of people on the 9/11 commission, stating there was not enough time or money to do a good investigation. He co-authored a book w/Lee H Hamilton Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission Here he is at the Press conference in a short Youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzrv-e37Es8&feature=player_embedded . The families are still asking for a re-investigation of what really happened.

Thomas H Kean & Lee H Hamilton were co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission.

Another video w/request by a man who had a family member who was killed in the 9/11 attack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkoZjvQi8ms&feature=player_embedded#!

There has been calls by many of the families who lost loved ones for a new investigation http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html

sparks · September 10, 2011, 08:12:23 PM

9-11-01

It will be a mystery/secret for many years.......

......................................

sparks

glenn kangiser · September 13, 2011, 11:18:10 PM

How the world changed after 9/11

A good article in the Guardian.

Native_NM · September 15, 2011, 09:47:57 AM

What really happened is that planes were hijacked and flown into buildings and the ground. They did it easily, with limited resources, and the intelligence infrastructure missed it despite plenty of opportunity.

If there was any government involvement in anything, it's most likely that they started the rumor about government involvement. Think about that. They have a lot to gain. Many people don't want to believe how easy it was and how vulnerable we are. Even today. By starting the rumor, the feds provide an alternate scenario, one that is complex and required extensive planning and brainpower. It keeps people with inquisitive minds from focusing on the reality: the government, despite vast resources and power, was powerless and useless against the most basic of attacks, and thousands lost their lives.

ScottA · September 15, 2011, 06:30:25 PM

Quote from: Native_NM on September 15, 2011, 09:47:57 AM
What really happened is that planes were hijacked and flown into buildings and the ground. They did it easily, with limited resources, and the intelligence infrastructure missed it despite plenty of opportunity.

If there was any government involvement in anything, it's most likely that they started the rumor about government involvement. Think about that. They have a lot to gain. Many people don't want to believe how easy it was and how vulnerable we are. Even today. By starting the rumor, the feds provide an alternate scenario, one that is complex and required extensive planning and brainpower. It keeps people with inquisitive minds from focusing on the reality: the government, despite vast resources and power, was powerless and useless against the most basic of attacks, and thousands lost their lives.

LOL...
I'll shut up now.

September 15, 2011, 07:21:15 PM

Oh yeah... the fairy tale...

I have been intercepted within minutes of drifting near military airspace in turbulence, yet an entire airbase couldn't get up to 5000 feet off of the ground because they were powerless......

Sounds reasonable to me.. our Airforce is known worldwide to be the wimpiest most ineffective bunch of untrained "no can do" guys around, eh?

Native_NM · September 15, 2011, 08:00:43 PM

I've studied threat analysis to some degree. The professionals usually overlook the most basic and simple threats in any system. In corporate finance (Wall Street) there are dozens of case studies that bear this out. Military is no different. The systems are so complex. Look at the Humvee: the bad guys exploited it's weakness in less than 6 months. DoD has spent close to a billion on the replacement R&D.

Native_NM · September 15, 2011, 08:06:00 PM

Glenn,

Since you are a GA pilot, you know this. The procedure to enter the GA area of most airports is so insecure it's laughable. In those cases that GA and commercial share runways and tarmac, entry into the GA side gives access to the entire airport. Ten years after 9/11 the front door has a bank vault door, while the back door is still a torn screen door on broken hinges.

Native_NM · September 15, 2011, 08:12:31 PM

Glenn,

In a combat, mission-specific role, our Air Force, or any branch for that matter, is unparealled. Prior to 9/11, other than certain critical areas, there was no readiness wing standing by to intercept commercial jet planes.

You can't compare combat missions with the local ANG unit pre 9/11.

Don_P · September 15, 2011, 09:16:58 PM

My heart goes out to those who lost their lives, to those who were left behind and to all those who have suffered through what has happened since. I don't believe our military could have done a thing to planes full of civilians off course over major metropolitan areas. Nor do I think portions of our population would have been happy with the results if they had, myself among them. It was and is a tragedy.

glenn kangiser · September 16, 2011, 12:41:10 AM

All the more reason a real investigation, not tainted by government is needed.

Interesting collection of facts here.

Note that I am not an Alex Jones fan but he does get some good facts together sometimes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw_XDxnciGs

September 16, 2011, 07:38:59 AM

the history of 911 in 5 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=player_embedded

archimedes · September 16, 2011, 07:54:18 AM

Quote from: Windpower on September 16, 2011, 07:38:59 AM
the history of 911 in 5 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=player_embedded

Sophistry at it's very best.

Windpower · September 16, 2011, 08:51:39 PM

Quote from: archimedes on September 16, 2011, 07:54:18 AM
Sophistry at it's very best.

"Definition of SOPHISTRY
1: subtly deceptive reasoning or argumentation "

please explain

Native_NM · September 16, 2011, 10:01:23 PM

specious (comparative more specious, superlative most specious):

Seemingly well-reasoned or factual, but actually fallacious or insincere; strongly held but false.

I think this is a better definition...

ScottA · September 19, 2011, 06:59:12 PM

I used to belive the government story but when I finaly looked at the whole thing without bias it was pretty obvious what was going on. It took seeing what they did after the event to allow me to question the whole thing. I no longer have any illusions that it was some guys with box cutters. It was planned months or years in advance and executed from inside the system. Ofcourse they wanted it to look like someone else did it but they did a poor job of framing anyone. The fact is there is no one they could convict in a fair court, even Osama.