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Title: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on February 24, 2008, 07:32:12 PM
Hello everyone - I've added pics at the bottom of the thread
Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on February 24, 2008, 08:01:23 PM
4.  IIRC, the plate nailed to the bottom of the PT post is used on the crushed rock footing. That would be to spread the load out. (I don't have those actual plans)

3.  not certain about that

2.  Concrete vs. wood. Using concrete you'll never have any doubts whether or not the PT wood was properly and thoroughly treated. No need to replace, ever.

1.  My thoughts on this is that a hybrid method may be best. Concrete footing, concrete blocks to above grade by one block or so, blocks filled with concrete and rebar. Then PT piers secured to the concrete using post bases that are secured to the concrete via anchor bolts embedded in the concrete when poured. This way the posts can be trimmed to exact length/height needed.

The same thing can be done using the round cardboard tubes. The tubes can also be cut to length once the lower end is firmly supported and the tube braced in place. I'm not sure of my own ability to get these right to within the 1/8 inch I'd like to aim for.  :-\

I also like the idea of having wood piers as it seems to me they would be easier to brace with diagonal bracing, wood pier to wood beam/joists,

Keep in mind IRC code requires the beams to be 12" above grade and the joists to be 18" above grade, unless PT wood is used for the beams and/or joists. For installing insulation in the floor from the bottom you also want to have at least that much working space. Ditto for plumbing, etc.

Others may have other ideas.

EDIT: As I have learned more, I have changed my tune on my comment on 1. above. Transitioning from concrete to PT wood in the pier, with the beam on top is actually poor engineering. Doing s creates two "hinges", two potential areas where things canmove. The beam can hinge or turn on the top of the PT pier, and the PT pier can rotate or hinge on top of the concrete. That results in a less stable foundation.  Better would be all concrete up to the beam or one continuous PT pier from the concrete footing up to the bea. And a 6x6 pier, not a 4x4.

Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 24, 2008, 10:55:43 PM
I think you need to find your depth of frost and plan a plastic pipe around the footings or Big Foot footings unless you put adjustable pier bolts at the top and have the good drainage to prevent frost heave.  I'm pretty sure it could be a problem in your area. 

Concrete around the post will lift with frost easier than well drained crushed rock.
Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: n74tg on February 25, 2008, 05:23:39 PM
Where are you in Alberta?  I wintered over in 1985 working for the oil industry; worked out of Grande Prairie. 
Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on February 25, 2008, 05:38:02 PM
I'm in Edmonton.  Land is at Mayerthorpe - just a couple hours SE of Grande Praire.
Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on February 25, 2008, 06:59:43 PM
Thanks for the information everyone.  I'm on to the joists.  I'm looking at my plans and it appears that the joist ends are flush with the edge of the beams. 

I thought there was always some overhang? 

Does anyone have experience with insulating the joists? I'm assuming this can be done and the bottom covered with OSB.

 ???
Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 25, 2008, 08:30:30 PM
Overhang on the small ones only to stiffen the floor.  Too much wall weight on this one to overhang.

We have talked of various solutions - that  could be one.  Usually done after the place is dried in to prevent filling the insulation with water.
Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: miman on February 26, 2008, 11:30:37 AM
i used the over-hangs, but i only went one foot. however, the bathroom area is bumped out two feet. my daughter is  physically impaired, and i have tried to add as much space possible.  i have a double the problems, building and building accessible, hard to do in 745 sq feet. by the way my footings are 24x24x12 wood boxes, fill with concrete. each pier is dry stacked, fill with concrete. each pier has two blocks, from 5-6 block high.
Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on February 26, 2008, 03:29:48 PM
Thanks miman.  Any pics of your place?
Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: lonelytree on February 26, 2008, 10:38:56 PM
i used the over-hangs, but i only went one foot. however, the bathroom area is bumped out two feet. my daughter is  physically impaired, and i have tried to add as much space possible.  i have a double the problems, building and building accessible, hard to do in 745 sq feet. by the way my footings are 24x24x12 wood boxes, fill with concrete. each pier is dry stacked, fill with concrete. each pier has two blocks, from 5-6 block high.


Do you have any pics of your footings?
Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on February 27, 2008, 05:27:35 PM
One the items I have planned for my cabin is solar power.  Being fairly new here, I'm not sure if this has been a topic of the past.  Are there any experiences with solar power that people want to share with a newbie?  I'm looking at solar water heating and running a few lights in the cabin.   8)
Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on February 27, 2008, 06:05:58 PM
Yep. Solar electric more than water heating.

The place to start is to make a detailed list of everything electrical you intend to use for certain. Sit down and make a realistic estimate of a typical days use for each item (time in hours).

Depending on cabin size and power uses, some folks can make it work on 12 VDC only. But a system that uses a bank of batteries wired for 24 VDC and uses an inverter to provide 120 VAC can be much more versatile.

In our cabin to be built this summer I am planning on having a couple or so 12 VDC lights, but we are mostly going with 120 VAC lights and such via an inverter. Reason; IF the inverter craps out we'd still have a few lights that would work until we made the trip into town to look after the inverter problem. Not a real likely thing, but I have a tendency to look for backup systems if I can.

There has been some past discussion here...
Solar Electric System Sizing Calculator (http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=2868.msg29866#msg29866)

Off-Grid Power Systems (http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=3463.msg37812#msg37812v)

Battery Bank Charging (http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=2429.msg23803#msg23803)

Some of the info in those threads may be of some use to you.

Also you could continue your thoughts/questions here or begin a new topic of your own separate from this. We have opinions and ideas and some of them even have merit.   ;D

Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on February 27, 2008, 06:16:45 PM
A quick search on "solar water heating" here brought up...

I didn't read 'em all carefully so can't guarantee the relevance...

http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=2429.msg23803#msg23803
http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=1349.msg11381#msg11381
http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=780.msg5811#msg5811
http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=90.msg292#msg292
http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=336.msg11516#msg11516
Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on February 27, 2008, 06:22:57 PM
We place a microwave oven high on our list of items to have and use in the cabin. Having to run a generator for that is a real drag, IMO. Hence my own desire to run 120 VAC. Having 120 VAC available also means it's easier to add things that are nice or convenient to have. Of course as you add appliances, etc the battery bank size goes up, so there's some horse trading to be done. Wiring 12 VDC may need heavier wires to avoid significant voltage drop...

I've said enough for now. Somebody else's turn or questions please.  :D
Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 27, 2008, 07:50:20 PM
My underground complex is off grid -- entirely - we have a phone line with DSL -- that's it.

I have to take off now -- illness in the family, but a search will bring up lots of solar information.
Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on February 29, 2008, 05:41:43 PM
What kind of siding did Mike use?  I like it!!!  Thinking of the same style for mine.

http://www.countryplans.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1115136283
Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on March 02, 2008, 11:10:58 AM
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1.  My thoughts on this is that a hybrid method may be best. Concrete footing, concrete blocks to above grade by one block or so, blocks filled with concrete and rebar. Then PT piers secured to the concrete using post bases that are secured to the concrete via anchor bolts embedded in the concrete when poured. This way the posts can be trimmed to exact length/height needed.

I see some pictures of beams attached to the side of the 6x6 foundation post, as opposed to resting on top with a bracket.  Any thoughts on the pros and cons of this? 
Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on March 02, 2008, 12:59:47 PM
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I see some pictures of beams attached to the side of the 6x6 foundation post, as opposed to resting on top with a bracket.  Any thoughts on the pros and cons of this?

A beam side mounted to a post would have the total bearing weight on the fasteners used. While this is frequently done when constructing decks and gazebos (sandwiching the post with a 2x on each side and then through bolted with 1/2" bolts), it is not best building practice for a cabin or a house. The entire weight of the structure, from the roof down, along with any snow loads, plus the entire contents, would be on those fasteners. Not a good idea at all IMO.


Did you see that side attached beam on here? Each and every owner posted picture is not reviewed by an architect or engineer so there may be the occasional posting illustrating something that is not completely kosher. Asking questions before you do something is always the best policy.
Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on March 02, 2008, 01:29:16 PM
Hey Mountain Dion.  Thanks for the reply.  Yeah, I think I saw a picture of it on the Michigan Cabin.  After all the feedback from you folks, and discussion with Larry the Lumber Guy (Home Depot), I have a plan for my foundation.

1. Concrete piers with rebar.  I'm going to use 15 instead of the 12 in the plans.  Aot of the feedback I've received mentioned the possibility of bounce if I went with the 12.
2. Anchors for beam cemented directly into pier.  This way, my beams will not have to sit directly on the 6x6 posts and potentially sacrifice stability.  The challenge as I understand it, will be to align the tops of the piers on a gradually sloping terrain, and to also align the anchors of each pier in a straight line.

28 days until I start digging. 
Title: Re: 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: John Raabe on March 03, 2008, 03:45:03 PM
The key to getting the beams and anchors right is to attach the brackets to the beam first. Level, support and square the beams and finally pack or pour the concrete piers around the bracket pins. If you get the Bigfoot forms you can do pier and footer all in one. Otherwise pour footers first (if needed).
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on March 07, 2008, 07:03:20 PM
What kind of siding did Mike use? 


http://www.countryplans.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1115136283
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on March 08, 2008, 08:08:55 PM
I was thinking of using 3 beams instead of 2.  Could I then use 2'x8'x10' for joists instead of the 20' I-joists or the alternative 2x12's?  Wouldn't have to overlap, just join at the center beam, with 3 inches of beam on each side of the joint.  I could even place them at 12 oc.

Thought it was an opportunity to save some money, but I don't want to sacrifice structural integrity.

Any advice?
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 08, 2008, 08:22:00 PM
I think I recall John mentioning that as an option on some designs.

You may want to weigh the savings against the extra labor, footings and beam cost to see if you really save.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on March 08, 2008, 08:51:04 PM
You would have to run the numbers. I compared the cost of two foundation variations for my planned little house. Two beams. I don't have all the actual dollar calculations handy but here's the gist of it.

The first was using two built up 6x12 beams with 4 piers per beam spaced 8 feet apart. The other was using 6x10 built up beams spaced on 5 piers piers per beam 6 feet apart.

The pricing included all the rebar, concrete, concrete blocks, post bases, anchor bolts, piers, post to beam connectors and the built up beams with 1/2" plywood spacing. The second option came out costing less. The wider 12" lumber cost more per board foot than the 10". The extra concrete blocks were quite cheap in comparison. However, not enough was saved to warrant the effort of extra digging IF I had to dig the footing/pier holes by hand. Since we're going to use my neighbors small backhoe we're going to opt for the second option (more footings).

So, run the numbers, consider your labor, and go from there. Or guess.  ::)

Back to the 2x8  x 10 ft span. No problem there as far as being strong enough. In fact that looks like it would be stiffer than 2x12 w/o the center beam.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: John Raabe on March 10, 2008, 11:15:36 AM
Yes, the costs may favor one method over another. Then you should also consider the labor issues and the time involved. Either one will produce a strong solid structure. 20' of width is about the limit of cost-effective single span floor joists. For a 24' width you would likely go to a centerline beam and go back to shorter joist spans (unless you have access to cheap web trusses or the like).
Title: Building Permit Nightmare
Post by: Alberta Curt on April 03, 2008, 07:43:27 AM
A couple of questions:

1. Do the drawings provided require an approved Engineering stamp?
2. My intent was to build an outhouse on the my property.  Apparently this this isn't an option in Alberta anymore.  Any of the users have experience with bathroom systems?  Given the remote location of the cabin, it isn't going to be practical to install an entire septic system.

Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on April 03, 2008, 10:24:38 AM
If you're taking the plans to your building department their stamp of approval is all you need as a rule.

If no building dept, no permit, no inspection, then no stamps I would think.

If an outhouse is no longer allowed then check into a composting toilet, either a DIY variation or a commercial one like the SunMar (http://www.sun-mar.com/prod_self.html). Mind you you're looking at $15K, round numbers.  They have AC models, DC models, No Electric models and combination models.

Is this place going to be used with regularity? How often, for how long? Porta Pottis are another thing suitable for infrequent use. Or like Hal Nash did... a low water use RV toilet that dumps into the wheeled RV portable (wheeled) dump tanks. That like the porta potti has to be hauled to an approved RV dump station.

Do a google on composting toilet and you'll lots of info.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: mark.cheryl on April 03, 2008, 03:46:34 PM
You should be able to call the county and find out what they will allow for sewage options.

BTW: I talked to a home inspector in Alberta this week and he said 12' deep for the posts! They didn't put a "bell" on the bottom though like the Bigfoot tubes. Another option he told me about is a "screw pile" or "helical pier" foundation. Apparently the Alberta building code got tougher this year, so you'll need to get very specific details before you start digging.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: glenn kangiser on April 03, 2008, 08:11:48 PM
Welcome to the forum mark.cheryl
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: BiggKidd on April 04, 2008, 01:58:49 PM
Hi All,

 I'm new here but thought I might be able to add to this post. I do concrete piers for a living. It seems cheaper and easier than most of the ways I have heard described here. I do not know if it is acceptable for a house. So you would have to check that your self. If I can figure out how then you will see pictures of my work. Did I mention its cheaper too?

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Thats just a basic 12" augur hole code here requires 18" deep I usualy go 20". The empty holes have to be inspected before you fill them with concrete.

 After the inspection we string line the pier locations and cut all the forms. You want to push 3" or 4" of form into the concrete in the hole.

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 That helps keep the pier strait when pouring. You can also see how we set up the string lines to keep the rows strait.

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 Then you fill up about 1/2 way and get a check on the height. I use a grade rod taped to a tamper and a builders level for this.

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 Once they are close I fill them the rest of the way and get them perfict. Its best to have it a little tall than a little short. Its easy to tamp the wet pier down. Its not so easy to pick the form up when its full of wet concrete.

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Now you remember what I said about cheaper? Well the sono tubes (forms) are $12 ea. for a 48" section you cut to size. I use a 18V saw to cut the form tubes.

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  It takes 3 80lb. bags of quickcrete to make a pier 36" tall 18" below grade and 18" above grade. Thats about another $12 anchor bolts have gotten outragous though. The last ones I bought were almost $3 ea. Thats for a coated 12" X1/2" anchor. If you mix your own concrete from portland sand and gravel its even cheaper. Here we don't use rebar unless the piers get tall over two feet out of the ground.

These pier jobs that I do are for storage buildings. I can't see any reason it wouldn't work for these cabins. I have done piers for upto a 16'X32' building like this.

Hope this might help someone.

  We recently bought 36 ac. in central Va. and hope to start on our DIY home soon as we get enough space cleared. I have a wife and two daughters so a little more space would be nice. We live in an old sears house 840 sqft. now.

Larry
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 04, 2008, 02:09:59 PM
BiggKidd I have also used 5 gallon blastic buckets (botom cut out)instead of sono-tubes for things a little closer to the ground. Just cut off the bucket after set.  I guess I am old fashion but I always stick a little rebar in for good measure. If it is not too nosey where in Central Virgina are you planning on building?
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: BiggKidd on April 04, 2008, 02:15:55 PM
Redoverfarm,

  Lunenburg Va. We are moving from Richmond.

 Five gallon buckets work fine, but the inspector isn't quite so happy to see them. LOL

Larry
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 04, 2008, 02:32:27 PM
Have to look that one up. I am on the Wv/Va line near Hot Springs. But that's on the other side. Somewhere around Fredricksburg  to Warrenton I would imagine.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: BiggKidd on April 04, 2008, 02:39:51 PM
Redoverfarm,

 I don't want to hijack this thread. Lunenburg is about 70 miles south west of Richmond maybe 30-35 miles from Kerr Lake (buggsisland).

Larry
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on April 04, 2008, 03:30:58 PM
The tubes work fine for a cabin.  w* Thanks for posting all the photos, we love photos.  :D

Here in NM when running the inspection gauntlet we need a rebar  X  or  #  in the bottom, with the bottom of the hole either 16" square or 18" round, 8 inches thick. Then 2 pieces of rebar vertical in the column.

I am one of those choosing to use a poured footing in the hole bottom and then build the column from dry stack concrete block and fill the blocks with concrete as there is no way to get a transit mixer up those roads. So I'll be mixing Quikrete bags, probably by hand, although I may take the portable 3 cu ft mixer. Haven't decided.  :-\  Takes more water to clean out the mixer drum than the wheelbarrow.

Thanks again, hope to see more from you.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: glenn kangiser on April 04, 2008, 04:26:58 PM
Nobody ever hijacks a thread here, Larry.  We just deviate from the topic a bit for a learning experience.  [crz]

Welcome to the forum and thanks for the illustrated  tutorial.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: BiggKidd on April 04, 2008, 05:02:37 PM
Moutaindon & Glenn,

 Thanks for the warm welcome. I was just thinking it might help someone in the future. With building codes changing all the time and being different for other buildings and areas I almost didn't post. ??? I wish it would work for what we want to build, but realy want a basement.

 Guess I need to start a thread. But we are no where near ready to start building. Only have about 1/4 acre cleared so far. Only 9.75 acres to go. :)

Larry
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: glenn kangiser on April 04, 2008, 05:06:43 PM
General information helps all if they are in non- code areas and helps the ones on code areas where that system is accepted.

If a bigger footing was needed, then all that would be required is a bigger hole with a wood frame to support the Sonotubes.  I also like the re-bar even if not required.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on April 04, 2008, 05:30:54 PM
Guess I need to start a thread. But we are no where near ready to start building. Only have about 1/4 acre cleared so far. Only 9.75 acres to go. :)

We even like photos of land being cleared.    [crz]
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: glenn kangiser on April 04, 2008, 05:47:15 PM
Just as well start a thread on it, Larry so you will have it documented in a place you can show to your friends along with sharing on the forum..
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: BiggKidd on April 05, 2008, 08:39:09 AM
Don, Glenn,

  I spent two hours doing my own thread last night with lots of pictures and lost it when I went to post. >:( I will try again.

Larry
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 05, 2008, 10:53:49 AM
Larry I found it easier to post smaller to intermediate size and then just do it a little more often.  Been there and done that on a larger post.  Doesn't seem to come out the same the second time as you had written it the first.  Hey there is no limit on the # of post.  That way you don't leave anything out. If you did you can go back to that post and modify it with what you want to change or add.  Isn't tech great.

John
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: BiggKidd on April 05, 2008, 03:35:01 PM
Hey Thanks John,

 I will try again when I have a couple hours free.

Larry
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on April 05, 2008, 04:31:54 PM
Yep, depending on the reliability of your connection smaller is easier at times. It's no problem uploading in several separate posts. Sometimes it's better to do a new post rather than make large edits, like adding lots, to a previous post. I say that only because the system will report a new post as something new, for those watching for new posts. When an edit is made the system does not recognize the change as new content for "new post" tracker doesn't put up the flag.

Just FYI, doesn't really matter much.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: glenn kangiser on April 05, 2008, 09:36:39 PM
Don, Glenn,

  I spent two hours doing my own thread last night with lots of pictures and lost it when I went to post. >:( I will try again.

Larry



Yes -- smaller posts and adding to them is the way to go.  Posts are limited by the system to around 5000 words I think so work and build on them a bit at a time.  Looking forward to seeing more.
Title: Ridge Board or not?
Post by: Alberta Curt on April 08, 2008, 04:04:18 PM
My plans for the 1 and 1/2 story don't show a ridge board on the trusses.  Is this correct, or is it assumed there is a ridge board?

Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: BiggKidd on April 08, 2008, 04:51:25 PM
Hi,

 I realy don't know the answer to your question since I have never seen the plans. But I can't remember ever seeing a ridge board on a truss style roof. It would seem almost impossable. The trusses are built before they are put on the walls to use a ridge board you have to build the rafters in place to my knowledge. But like I said I am not sure hopefully someone else can help better.

Larry
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on April 08, 2008, 05:00:08 PM
Thanks Bigkidd.  The only question I have then is how they are kept in place.  My plan only show it being held in place with H-10 ties.  I know I'm just an amateur, but it doesn't seem very sturdy. 
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 08, 2008, 05:30:06 PM
Alberta Curt  I concur with Biggkid as with "truss" there is no ridge.  To install you determine the layout on your top plate.  Scab a support(verticle) to hold the first in place after setting to plumb.  Attach the second truss and with the use of top of the truss flush brace to the first truss set. So on and so on.  I usually brace on both sides of where the ridge would be halfway down from the top to the plate.  You can scab anything on for braces to the top of the truss(ie; 1X, 2X's). I usually put the braces log enough to handle 2-3 trusses then set another truss on your lay out as before and add another scab brace.  If you are going to be some time before sheeting I would double the braces to two on each side 1/3 the distance apart and use longer braces to incorporate 4-6 trusses.  These are removed when your sheeting goes on. They are just temporary to hold them in position and prevent the wind from knocking them down. 
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on April 08, 2008, 05:39:15 PM
I don't know if this will shed any light or confuse, I believe those plans have an option for owner/site built heavy duty trusses, not your typical store bought manufactured and delivered 2X truss.  I have no idea other than I think I picked that up someplace. At any rate one of John's plans has that.  ???

Since you have the plans a question in the Plans Support section will catch John's eye sooner than a query any place else.

Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on April 08, 2008, 05:45:29 PM
Thank you everyone for your feedback.  I think I have the right idea but I will post the question in the plans support.

Once again, thank you
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: BiggKidd on April 08, 2008, 05:46:50 PM
Alberta Curt

 The roof sheeting when nailed to the trusses makes it all tied together and very strong. There are building codes that tell you a minimum number of nails per piece and truss. If memory serves the code here is something like no more than 6 inches between nails on the edges of a sheet and no more than 8 inches on the others. This makes everything very sturdy. If you are having your house inspected ask the inspector. Not all of them are bad guys. Many times they can give you good tips to get it right the first time. Other times well.....

   Good Luck

   Larry
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: John Raabe on April 10, 2008, 08:25:47 AM
Trusses normally do not have a ridge board. They are tilted up into position right off the deck or wall plates and are self supporting (once nailed off with sheathing). Some setups have blocking between the trusses but you don't normally cut into a truss for a ridge board.

A ridge board (or it's load bearing structural kin a ridge beam) is put up first for the stick framed rafters to nail to.
Title: 6x6 post foundation depth
Post by: Alberta Curt on April 13, 2008, 01:15:53 PM
Is anything gained (or lost) by going deeper than the frostline? (5' deep with a 4' frostline)
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on April 13, 2008, 01:36:42 PM
Security? If global warming doesn't happen and we revert to the global cooling theory of a few decades back?  d*

I don't know that there's be any real advantage other than being absolutely sure the footings are below any likely frost depth.  ??? 

disadvantage... a little more cost up front.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 13, 2008, 02:56:14 PM
The extra footings depth are a good idea especially if it is for piers.  Laided foundations it might mean and extra course of block or 1 yard more concrete on poured walls.  Just keep in mind the depth of the top of the footings has to work out in block measurments of 8" to where you want them to stop.  The bottom of the footings is all that has to be below the frost line so if you go with a 12" deep footing you are not really talking about that much difference.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: John Raabe on April 13, 2008, 04:06:07 PM
Also, at least with a perimeter foundation, the cost of extra space comes into play. At around 4' to 5' deep a full basement starts to look like a good investment as the additional space is had for only a bit more foundation wall.
Title: Joist Question
Post by: Alberta Curt on April 13, 2008, 05:19:47 PM
Thanks guys.  Appreciate the quick response.

As discussed before, I have added an additional center beam and will be using 2x10x10 for the joists.  What is the best method to join the 2x10's where they meet at the center?  I was thinking of just using 1/2" plywood gussets on each side of the joint, but I thought I better get a second opinion.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on April 13, 2008, 05:40:34 PM
The usual method is to overlap the joists over the center girder. I'm not the expert on that though. Others should have something more to add.   :-\
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: PEG688 on April 13, 2008, 06:00:35 PM


The usual method is to overlap the joists over the center girder. I'm not the expert on that though. Others should have something more to add.   :-\

 

 Yup,  just a bypassing lap , about 3" min to 16" , or so,  max. the crowns (off course go up) can cause some issues with the tip alignment if the lap is much longer as they misalign and cause DW or subfloor bumps  / issues. 
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on April 13, 2008, 06:05:35 PM
... and solid blocking over the beam, between joists, no crisscross or metal straps, IIRC.  PEG?
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: ahwang77 on April 16, 2008, 09:27:03 AM
Hey Alberta Curt,

I'm planning on building the same cabin in Lac Ste. Anne County too, this summer.  Did you have any problems with the County when you submitted your plans? 
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on April 16, 2008, 05:58:14 PM
I'm building in Woodlands County.  Had no problems at all with the development permit.  Great turn around very helpful.  It is the building permit that is giving me the headache.  Because I'm using the PT 6x6 for the foundation I need the plans approved by an Engineer.  Easier said than done.
Title: Securing 6x6 post to cement footing
Post by: Alberta Curt on April 22, 2008, 05:14:18 PM
I've received engineering approval for my post foundation, but one of the requirements was that I secure the 6x6 post to the cement footing with metal brackets.  Any thoughts on how to best complete this task, and still keep all of the posts in the proper alignment?
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on April 22, 2008, 05:26:37 PM
Simpson CB66       (https://countryplans.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.strongtie.com%2Fgraphics%2Fproducts%2Flarge%2FLCB-CB.gif&hash=fb9ddbfd17cb3bcf0e47c18993b853fd3153838c)

with jigs to keep them aligned. There's a photo someplace from PEG...   ???  I can't find it tonight...   >:(
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on April 22, 2008, 05:38:40 PM
Found it!!

...such perseverance...  ;D
Here's the link...
http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=3403.msg36910#msg36910

Here's one image from the series. Thanks to Paul

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: mark.cheryl on May 08, 2008, 06:14:03 PM
Could someone just confirm for me that Alberta Curt is planning to use the "PT Wood Post Pier" which is the last diagram on the left of this page?:http://countryplans.com/foundation/index.html (http://countryplans.com/foundation/index.html) I will be submitting to the county for a development permit next Friday, and just wanted to make sure. Thanks!
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 08, 2008, 06:58:40 PM
No - looking back he says he is using the one on page 1A of the 1 and 1/2 story  20x30 plans which is specific for that plan.

The one you linked is similar but general.

It also has a page number M1 at the edge opposite the circle with the 1A number.  It has all the details for the Post and Pier - gravel or concrete.

 



Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: John Raabe on May 08, 2008, 10:52:02 PM
Yep, don't I say something somewhere about working from the general to the specific.  ???

The post and pier article is general. A foundation plan for a specific house and structural layout will be specific with post and beam sizes and connectors sized for the loads.

Best to stick with the real thing when you can.

PS - looking at that last diagram I did many years ago - with the beam bolted to the side of the post - I wouldn't do that except with light loads. Not on a 20' wide house. That detail relies on the shear value of the bolts. Much better to sit the beam on top of the post and have a metal strap or bracket connection.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: John Raabe on May 08, 2008, 11:06:24 PM
The photo of PEGs layout that MD posted above is very informative. And up to PEGs high level of craftsmanship I see. He makes even the formwork look elegant!
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on May 20, 2008, 05:51:47 PM
I've got my holes dug - 5' holes, 4 1/2' of which is clay.  Any thoughts on the ideal backfill around my 6x6 posts?  I've heard everything from rock crush, the original soil (clay), and event cement/soil mixture.  I'm leaning towards rock crush but wanted some other opinions.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on June 06, 2008, 06:15:55 PM
Went with the 8" cement footings, followed by 3' of wash rock, followed by 1' clay.  Post are all in!!  Heading out this weekend to cut them level.  I'm going to use a laser to mark level and then cut with a skill saw.  Not sure if this is the easiest method.  Anyone have success with other methods. 

I'd sure like to take a run at them with the chainsaw but I know it would be a mess.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 08, 2008, 06:39:50 AM
I use a chainsaw.  It can be a pretty good finish tool if you are careful. There are places it doesn't matter as much and carefully following lines drawn around the post can make a remarkably good cut possible.

Lots of factors enter into it though. Condition of the bar and chain etc.

Lines around and back to back cuts and a skill saw will get through 4x material or most the way through and you can finih with a good sawzall or handsaw also.

...once again of course I defer to PEG.  d*
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 08, 2008, 07:05:47 AM
Best method I have found is to mark your level location and then use a combination square to have your line across the face of the post.  Then using your combination as a guide against the foot of your circular saw insures that initial cut will be level.

Then insert your blade in that kerf going around the next face and bring your combination square again up against your saw foot and while holding it firm cut the next face.  Repeat for the remaining faces.  It should be real close.  Normally you will only have to cut three faces and finish with a hand saw. 
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: TheWire on June 09, 2008, 12:15:22 PM
Here is what I did when I built a pole barn and it came time to level cut the poles:

Made 2 standoffs out of 3/4" oak and attached them to the bar of my chainsaw a little further apart than the width of the posts I needed to trim. 

Shot a level line along all the posts 3/4" lower than I wanted the posts to end up. 

Clamped a straight 2x4 horizontally at the line on each of 2 sides of the posts.   The 2x4s were long enough to span several posts. 

Fired up the chainsaw and let the oak guides side across the top of the 2x4s.  It quickly and evenly trimmed the posts.

A little more prep work, but it made the trimming very easy.

Jerry
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: mvk on June 09, 2008, 01:38:20 PM
Great idea Jerry, just drill and bolt through the bar?
Mike
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: TheWire on June 09, 2008, 05:25:33 PM
I thought about drilling through the bar, which I wouldn't think 1/4 holes would hurt it.  But I took 4 blocks of oak 1x4 that were about 3" longer than the bar was wide.  I then made 2 small dados in each block where the chain was.  Then I placed a pair of blocks on each side if the bar and used 4 heavy screws on the out edge of the blocks to clamp the blocks together with the bar in the middle.  It worked well, but you definitely want to keep the blocks tight or the screws could go in into the chain n*
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on June 09, 2008, 06:12:40 PM
Thanks guys.  I'll give the skilsaw a go this weekend.  If I can figure out how to post pics I will next week.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 09, 2008, 09:31:03 PM
We'll help -- there is a tutorial on using Photobucket in forum news -- it's easy.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on June 21, 2008, 03:18:57 AM
http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc127/hockey_66/?action=view&current=a1f4ab66.pbw

Let me know if this works guys.  Included pcitures of the D6 cat we had to bring in to pull out the Bobcat, two trucks, and a tractor.  Needless to say, its been an interesting month.

Two questions:

1.  I'm doing the floor this weekend - nails or screws?
2.  The posts in the front of the cabin are 4" high.  I want to evetually brace them and was thinking of 4x6 cross member from the top of one to the bottom of the other.  Any thoughts?

(https://countryplans.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi217.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc127%2Fhockey_66%2Fjoists1.jpg&hash=0235f8fffc2de1e2a122f9848bcff812b98a957c)

(from John: I copied the direct address of one of your photos into the image brackets and it shows up here.)
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 21, 2008, 06:50:19 AM
Screw are not structurally rated in most cases.  They shear instead of give with movement of the wood.  Screw nails or ring shanks are my choice but others don't always care for them -- about 9 times the hold power of regular nails per Kern.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on June 22, 2008, 05:37:57 PM
Thanks for the info.  Went out this weekend and got most of the floor done.  Still a little concerned about the front of the cabin being 5 feet off the ground.  Deck will be at least 6 feet.  It now feels like we are getting somewhere.

Sure need some feedback about different types of bracing I could use on the posts.

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: John Raabe on June 22, 2008, 06:44:20 PM
See the "Alternative Bracing" detail on sheet 1A. This would be for the taller posts and braces to the beams. The bracing should be PT if within 6" of the soil. Also see p. 10 in the booklet for tips on straps and anchors that can make the rest of the structure more rigid. Much of this will also apply to Post & Pier foundations.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on June 30, 2008, 07:37:19 PM
Walls almost complete...........

[img width=512height=384]http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc127/hockey_66/walls.jpg[/img]
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: John Raabe on June 30, 2008, 07:42:12 PM
Nice site.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on July 01, 2008, 06:56:42 AM
Thanks John.  A couple of questions after our work this weekend...........

1. I didn't use 2x6 above and below the window/door headers.  The header rests on the trimmer studs and the top crpple studs are toe-nailed into the header.  Are there any structural issues with this?

2. Can 2x8's be used for loft joists?  The joists will be resting on a 2x4 load bearing wall at the 10' point.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: John Raabe on July 01, 2008, 11:54:27 AM
The framing looks slightly OVE (optimum value engineering) but I don't see a problem. Comparing yours to this from Wagner...

(https://countryplans.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi56.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg166%2Fjraabe%2Fframe-1.jpg&hash=bab2faf11f21696d6e9572207dc291b881650960)

I see you have eliminated a couple of supports under the bottom 2x6 window sill and extras at the top of the header. I do not think these add necessary support or strength.

Yes, almost any species 2x8 joist can span 10' feet when 16" o/c. - #1 D/F can go to 24" o/c spacing.
Title: Sheathing Question
Post by: Alberta Curt on July 08, 2008, 05:18:55 PM
How far down does the sheathing go?  Just over the bottom plate?  To the bottom of the header joist?  Cover the posts?

I've heard lots of different opinions. 
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 08, 2008, 05:43:35 PM
If it were mine it would continue to the bottom of the rim joist(framework inclosing floor joist).  In some locations from your pics your rim joist sits flush to your support beams.  At that location you will have to decide a method to keep the water from running onto that beam.  Not real sure of the siding of choice but this has to be protected as well as to the bottom of the rim joist. Just think "water" and how it will make it's way down the side of your building and plan how to keep the wood dry.

If you would stop the siding at the sill plate then you would have a location for water to get to your rim joist unless you flashed it.  Any flashing should be made to force the water away from the wood and down. Make since? 
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 08, 2008, 05:55:49 PM
One of the main considerations is bracing.  The OSB or other sheathing ties the joists and rimjoist etc to the walls and keeps things from wanting to topple over right at the hinge point created where the studs are nailed at the bottom plate.  PEG has mentioned that 9' sheathing is available and can be soldiered - stood vertically to tie all together.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on July 08, 2008, 06:29:50 PM
Thanks guys.  I think I'm going to run the sheathing an inch or two over the beam.  thought about running it right down over the beam, protecting the top of the post as well, but this might be a little much.

Once again, all of your feedback is appreciated!
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: MountainDon on July 09, 2008, 01:50:01 PM
Hey Alberta Curt, I looked over all the photos in your photobucket album. Nice.

Question (and sorry if I missed the answer someplace); I see you appear to have used PT posts in ground. What was that black coating? Roofing tar?  Also what did you do at the bottom of the hole? Gravel, concrete pad, wood slab?

Thanks
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on July 09, 2008, 01:57:25 PM
The black stuff on the posts is a damp proof foundation tar recommended by the local Building Inspector.  I used 5' holes, with 24" cement footing 8" high, 3' of wash rock, and topped off with clay backfill.

Lots of work hauling all that stuff in on quad, but I think it is well worth it.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on July 31, 2008, 05:51:55 PM
driveway is in.....all 900 yards of it!!

(https://countryplans.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi217.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc127%2Fhockey_66%2Fdrivewayatcabin.jpg&hash=f359d6e28baa98d16cdfd29c31d369d2f23fd1d7)
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on July 31, 2008, 05:53:17 PM
deck progress........

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: glenn kangiser on August 01, 2008, 05:07:43 AM
That is great progress, Curt.  Good Job. :)
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: MountainDon on August 01, 2008, 02:09:57 PM
Looking good; thanks for the photos.  :)
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on August 20, 2008, 11:29:13 AM
This weekends progress..........

(https://countryplans.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi217.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc127%2Fhockey_66%2Frafters3.jpg&hash=1b94bbf7f4b802627cf1fa9c580eed6a97500ebb)



More photos at http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc127/hockey_66/
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: ScottA on August 20, 2008, 11:56:01 AM
Looking good!  :)
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: glenn kangiser on August 20, 2008, 09:05:08 PM
I like it.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: John Raabe on August 21, 2008, 08:48:03 AM
Nice work Curt. Looks clean and sturdy.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on August 21, 2008, 04:25:12 PM
Thanks guys.  I'm racing against time, trying to get the roof, windows, and doors done before winter.  Do you guys have any opinions on what would be the bare minimum I need done for the winter?  Wrapped and shingled?  Roof?
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: MountainDon on August 21, 2008, 04:50:25 PM
Walls wrapped with something that will last timewise till the finish wall surface goes on.

Roof finished with final roof material.

Doors and windows installed and properly flashed. At least that's what I'm aiming for.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: MountainDon on August 21, 2008, 05:12:37 PM
To that let me add soffits completed or at least whatever is needed to seal off the spaces between the rafters to keep birds, etc. out of the building.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: John Raabe on August 22, 2008, 07:30:57 AM
I agree with Don.

For you walls you could put up 15# felt held in place by thin battens that will later be spacers for your siding and serve as a rain screen.

Here are some other options on the topic (http://www.coastalcontractor.net/cgi-bin/article.pl?id=135).
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 22, 2008, 09:25:08 AM
There is also a new product if your interested in it. I posted this awhile ago nut it was lost in the shuffle.

http://www.vaproshield.com/products/wallshield/
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on August 25, 2008, 08:37:41 AM
Starting sheeting the roof this weekend.  Pcitures a little on the dark side.  I didn't realize how steep the 12/12 roof was until you have to spend the day standing on it.

(https://countryplans.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi217.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc127%2Fhockey_66%2Froof-1.jpg&hash=29e5596246ca2397f0d191d4594fade0ad484884)

Before I proceed to the felt paper, I have a few questions:

1. Do I need to install a drip cap? (whatever that is)
2. Will 1/4" staples be sufficient for the installation?
3. What does one do with the felt on the gable ends?  Wrap it underneath and staple it?  cut it flush to the end?
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: John Raabe on August 25, 2008, 09:26:22 AM
Here are some guidelines.

http://www.hometime.com/Howto/projects/roofing/roof_4.htm

The drip edge would be on the bottom of the slope where water goes into the gutters (if installed). If you are subject to ice dams consider a waterproof membrane as well.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 25, 2008, 12:11:35 PM
To try to answer your (?). Drip edge first then felt over it. Drip edge is usually held by 1 or 1-1/4" roofing nails.  On the gable end I usually cut it flush to the outside of the drip edge.

If you do not have any additional roofs (shed) to tuck under the primary then chances are that it will not back up.  Shoot mine with a 10/12 metal and the snow shot off landing about 6 feet from the house.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: MountainDon on August 25, 2008, 03:59:05 PM
I didn't realize how steep the 12/12 roof was until you have to spend the day standing on it.

... One of the reasons I have a 4.5:1

To condense the important points...

Drip edge (at eve) goes on first
Roofing felt or membrane goes on nest. Upper sheets lap over the lower sheets. 2" minimum
Drip edge on rake (gable ends) goes over the felt. The felt trimmed to roof edge.

With metal roof, the rake I've seen goes over the roofing material and down the edge/fascia.



Lightened your image...

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: peteh2833 on August 27, 2008, 09:07:42 AM
Alberta Curt, are your rafters 16' material and are you making the ends square cut or plumb cut??
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on August 30, 2008, 08:29:23 PM
Rafters are a combination of 16' with three 10' pieces.  I have plumb cut them.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on September 01, 2008, 06:11:32 PM
Latest progress........I've put the sheeting on the outside too low in some spots.  Needs to be cut so it doesn't rot.  Past first inspection!!

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 01, 2008, 06:52:26 PM
That's looking good.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on September 27, 2008, 07:39:46 AM
Update........one side of metal roof is done..................

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Sassy on September 27, 2008, 08:07:45 AM
Wow, you've been working hard this summer!  Lookin good!
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on September 27, 2008, 02:35:46 PM
Going to install the stove pipe and flashing tomorrow.  The flashing is a 3' square piece of malible aluminum, which they say just lays on top of the metal roof.  I'm not sure this is going to look that great.  Does anyone have any experience with stove pipe flashing on a metal roof?
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 27, 2008, 04:29:09 PM
I think Mt.Don just put his in. 

http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=2335.msg66151#msg66151

Here is the brand he used I think

http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=2335.msg66236#msg66236
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: TheWire on September 28, 2008, 01:41:31 PM
I just put my chimney through my standing seam metal roof.  I cut the hole for the chimney with a sawzall from the inside.  I used a fine tooth blade to go through the OSB & metal roof.  The hole is a 12"x12" square to fit the chimney's cathedral ceiling support.  I then used a tin snips to extend the top cut of the hole in the metal roof to be wide enough to slip the 20" wide flashing under the metal roof.  The flashing overlapped a standing seam in the roof which didn't matter at the top because it slipped under the roofing.  At the bottom of the flashing where it hit the seam, I cut the seam back part way and cut the flashing to over lap the seam.  I then used gasketed screws to fasten the flashing down.

This looks like it should shed water nicely.  The only questionable area is the point where the flashing meets the edges of the top cut in the metal roof.  There is a small spot in the intersection that water may get through.  I applied a quality silicon caulk to this area and under the flashing before I screwed it down.

I used the Selkirk Super Pro Stainless chimney system http://www.selkirkcorp.com/superpro/Product.aspx?id=106 (http://www.selkirkcorp.com/superpro/Product.aspx?id=106)  This picture is similar to the flashing I used.

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BTW, I spray painted the flashing to match the roof color prior to installation. 

Jerry
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 28, 2008, 03:15:23 PM
Jerry most metal roof flashing boots that I have seen are rubber and mount to the top of the metal roof.  There is a metal aluminum band running on the outside edge that can be bent to conform to the ridges and valleys of the roofing.  The screws are anchored to the metal roof through these.  None are slipped under the upward edge of the metal roofing.  But generally these are used with either double or tripple wall insulated pipe such as illustrated in Mt. Dons post I listed. Just from a first glance it looks like your boot might be for a shingle roof.

If you are using insulated pipe you could always use a large diameter rubber booted flange to go over and up against your already installed boot.  They make a boot that is split on one side and lace up like a pair of boots if you cant get it over the top.  I think I saw them up to 24" dia pipe before.  A google brings tons up to choose from.  The reason that I mention it is that when you try to go from under to over on a metal roof there is an area that is weak sealing being that intersection of that Over/under at the metal roof.  When the metal roof changes in temperature it will expand and contract and that movement would scare me thinking of the intersection I was speaking of. Yes now it is sealed but through a couple of temperature changes it might open up.  There is a link below for the boot I was referring to. The grey and black boots are High temps.  With your 6" pipe the OS diam would probably be 8-10" then your existing boot would probably put it to 12-14".  So either a # 8 or #9 would work.

http://pipebootexpress.com/universal/pages/universal/main.htm;jsessionid=86DFD249C185B26ECDA5BEE807F32E70

I don't want you to think i am just being critical but I would hate to have your project damaged at this point in the game.  You have done a commendable job.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: peteh2833 on September 30, 2008, 08:18:12 AM
Great looking place Alberta Curt. I'm almost ready to throw up my rafters. If you don't mind me asking what did you pay for the metal roof? I got a price yesterday of $1339 which includes all of the panels, gable end metal trim, facia board metal trim, the ridge vent/cap, the blocking for the bottom so no critters get in and tax. Also, what does Hockey_66 stand for??
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on October 04, 2008, 07:33:38 AM
Thanks peteh2833.  I paid $4700 for everything that you mentioned.  It's my 13 yr olds site so I'll need to ask him what the significance of hockey_66 is, but I think its just a reference to his jersey number.

$4700 vs $1300......wow!
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: peteh2833 on October 05, 2008, 02:38:09 AM
Ok. I was just wondering if it was a reference to Mario Lemieux. I'm from Pittsburgh Pa
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on October 11, 2008, 06:06:45 AM
I exchanged the flashing for this boot.  This will look alot better.........

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on October 24, 2008, 05:19:22 PM
Picture from the loft.........

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on October 24, 2008, 05:21:08 PM
Done for the winter.  Thanks for all the helpful feedback and ideas!!!

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 24, 2008, 07:26:55 PM
Looks great Curt and glad we could be of assistance.  You have just made some bear a happy camper this winter. heh
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: peteh2833 on November 09, 2008, 05:56:27 AM
Curt, how did you install the ridge cap for the metal roofing? Did you work it from one end to the other and stradle the ridge? Pete
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on November 09, 2008, 08:29:30 AM
Yep.  Just started at one end and worked towards the other, stradling the ridge as I went. 

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 09, 2008, 08:33:10 AM
Now that you mentioned it, that is how I did the one on my RV garage with a 12/12 roof.  I wasn't concerned about scratching the sheeting either as I used rusty old corrugated metal for that ancient look.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: peteh2833 on November 09, 2008, 08:58:08 AM
Thanks for the info and the picture. That is what I thought. Did you rope yourself off????
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on November 09, 2008, 10:30:08 AM
Roped off, but it was a little tricky.  Roped off to one side and I hoped, that if I fell, it was down the right side.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on January 18, 2009, 12:03:55 PM
It's been a couple of months.  Hope everyone is well. Can't stay away all winter.  What are you guys using to heat your projects while working in the winter?
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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on February 07, 2009, 12:39:13 PM
Is anyone working on their projects over winter?  What are you guys using to heat your projects?  Or am I the only one that hasn't installed his fireplace?

 ???
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: MountainDon on February 07, 2009, 12:56:58 PM
Winter is time to catch up on some of the at home projects neglected over the spring, summer & fall.

  :D :D
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: peteh2833 on February 08, 2009, 03:38:51 AM
I have been trying to get some things done on the inside since we have 3 feet of snow on the ground. Thankfully I am off of a road that the State maintains and plows. I got some insulation done, most of the loft floor done and the stairs built. Pete
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on February 08, 2009, 09:30:29 AM
Going to do the electrical and insulation this month.  I was going to install a plastic vapor barrier over the insulation, but I noticed some guys have paper backing on their insulation.  Does this suffice as a vapor barrier? 

On an unrelated note regarding cedar siding - does the outside window and corner trim go on before or after the siding?

More dumb questions coming at you...............
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 08, 2009, 09:50:16 AM
Pete I think we have just drifted onto Alberta Curts original posting.  Sorry Alberta I was just following suit.  You can blame it on Pete.  ;D.  I will try to re-direct my responses to the N.Pa. site.  Opps.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: peteh2833 on February 08, 2009, 02:52:05 PM
Sorry, I didn't mean to Hijack your thread. I moved it over to my thread. Pete
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 09, 2009, 07:12:41 AM
Is anyone working on their projects over winter?  What are you guys using to heat your projects?  Or am I the only one that hasn't installed his fireplace?

 ???

Some are working in the cold.  BK has tried some heaters - propane shop heaters I think - but they are not melting the ice inside his house so it still has to be cold --
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on February 22, 2009, 07:56:26 AM
Another question.........

I'm going to get started on the loft railing soon.  I had planned on the design below.  Has anyone constructed a similar design and are there any issues with privacy in the loft? 

The other option I was considering was a pony wall.

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: MountainDon on February 22, 2009, 11:53:54 AM
I can see the issue of privacy being an issue "depending upon" the people involved. With younger kids probably not an issue unless the sounds, light, etc from below keeps them from being able to get to sleep while the older folks are still up.


If the space is for occasional guests, the lack of privacy may help keep them in the occasional category.   ;)
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 22, 2009, 01:50:10 PM
Curt not exactly sure of your floor plan but it appears to be a catwalk(right) from the stairs with the main room off to the left aginst one wall(ceiling).  Correct me if I am wrong but the only privacy that you will need will be  the view from the ground floor?  There are several options available.  A pony wall as you state, a couple set of bifold window shutters, Frosted solid or design etching in glass or plexiglass.  The list goes on.  But I would think of a screen effect before something permanent.  I mean something that could be changed fairly easy and not take away from the big picture. 

As for my loft I am not putting anything. Of course my two loft rooms are at 90 deg from each other so the short log wall extension will block 75% of the view from one to the other. I have the fireplace flue in front of the one loft and the loft bathroom wall to the other looking from the living room   I guess if one would want complete privacy they could change in the bathroom or out in the woods.  ;D

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Dog on February 22, 2009, 04:18:02 PM
Glenn, your happy bear camper comment under the photo of the large opening to the house was hilarious  rofl

Alberta, the place is coming along really nice!  :) 
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 22, 2009, 09:43:36 PM
I was just thinking it looked inviting... if I was a bear.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Dog on February 23, 2009, 07:14:38 AM
It looks like opening of a  "4 STAR" bear cave.

Alberta...looks you you guys got some good work accomplished this winter. Can't wait to see spring progress!  :)
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on February 24, 2009, 04:37:55 PM
Thanks for the feedback everyone.  Our plan is to go with the railing.  didn't want to mislead anyone, the last picture I posted was not our cabin, rather the style of loft railing I wish to have.  I wish mine looked that good.  Oh....and I dind't leave the doors off for the winter!!!  No bears spending the winter in my place - yet.

Title: Ground Rod for Solar?
Post by: Alberta Curt on April 10, 2009, 03:53:48 PM
Does anyone know if a ground rod is required for solar power/generator?  If required, what size of ground wire?  I thought I'd ask before calling the inspection group on Monday.

Any insight would be appreciateed

Curt
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: MountainDon on April 10, 2009, 04:41:47 PM
Grounding for a PV system is required by the NEC. In fact there are several groundings, which do you mean? The PV panels/array? AC/DC? The distribution panel? Other equipment? Is this a stand alone or a grid tie system?

Array panel grounding requirements depend on location of panels; ground level, pole or roof top; some require GFCI protection.

The DC side ground can usually be 6 AWG, bare or green only. There are a few cases where the DC ground must be the same size as the battery cables.

The AC side will be the same as any regular grid tied power system.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on April 10, 2009, 05:41:15 PM
Wow.  I don't know the answers to most of those questions, other than its off the grid.  I was only referring to the electrical within the cabin as I wasn't going to be installing the panels and equipment until next summer.

I think I have some homework to do.........

Thanks for your quick feedback.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: MountainDon on April 10, 2009, 05:57:10 PM
In that case all you need to do is meet the codes for normal AC wiring. Don't even mention the possibility of installing solar power to the inspector if you don't need to. At least that's my approach. Never volunteer information that is not pertinent to the situation. Some times it's difficult not to be too chatty, but it's best not to.
Title: Stairs - PICS
Post by: Alberta Curt on April 12, 2009, 01:21:34 PM
Started the stairs this weekend.  Couldn't wait.......paid a guy to bring his grader in and do the road.

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Going to finish the electrical next weekend and start the veranda.  Wish me luck!!

Curt
Title: Soffits??
Post by: Alberta Curt on April 12, 2009, 01:49:22 PM
I've been trying to figure out how, and what material to use, to construct the soffits for some time now.  Can't believe I didn't aske the questions here.  Anyone have any success stories or helpful hints?

Curt d*
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: MountainDon on April 12, 2009, 02:10:49 PM
How wide is the soffit?

I used 24" wide Hardi-Soffit material (cement fiber) that came with ventilation holes drilled along the outer side. Compliments the Hardi-Plank siding material we used.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 12, 2009, 03:01:07 PM
Curt on the soffit I guess its another time for "depends".  That is whether the exterior will be low maintenance or not.  To make it correspond with the siding of your choice?  Vented or non?  I decided when I put the logs up on mine that it would definitely not be low maintenance and went with a T-111 product more or less only that mine is much like a bead board only with 4" beads. Came in 4X8 sheets T&G.  Cut it to 1'X4' sheets and attached.  I did put screened 3X10 soffit vents(metal).  It was all stained to match the siding & facia.  Speaking of which I had read somewhere that you should have 1 sf of vent per 100 sf of rafter bays.  There is a multitude of vent styles from a continious strip to 2" round metal pop ins.  If your flavor is vinyle then you can get the perforated in a variety of colors.  Like I said it all depends.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on April 12, 2009, 03:28:29 PM
Thanks guys.

My exterior will be cedar siding which I will be letting weather, so I think that makes it low maintenance.  I think I have a similar idea Redoverfarm, but I was thinking of using plain ol' OSB board cut into the appropriate width.  Then installing venting.  Think this will work?
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: John Raabe on April 12, 2009, 04:49:22 PM
I wouldn't use OSB as roof sheathing if it were to be exposed on the bottom (ie: open rafters with vent blocking). Also most codes will disallow this use.

We used 1x T&G cedar planed down to match the height of the roof sheathing. Weathers the same as the siding. You have to be careful about the fastener length on the eaves.

You can also use any type of exterior panel siding material use as T1-11.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 12, 2009, 05:39:25 PM
I concur with John on the OSB.  This product was not made for exterior use.  They do make a cedar exterior 1/3-3/8 ply but when I checked on it the price scared me off at $42 a sheet.  You could use something similar to what I used and oil stain it to what ever shade you desired.  I used a Semi-transp stain on mine.  I went back through my photographs and found a picture and after zooming and croping I think you can get an idea of what I was talking about.  This of course is a gable end shot.  I couldn't find a eve shot to show the vents.

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 18, 2009, 12:37:37 PM
Alberta Curt I had a chance to take a picture of the soffet witht he vents in place.  Although they didn't come out as well as i had envisioned in the photograph it will give you some idea what I was referring to.

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on April 19, 2009, 06:00:26 PM
Looks Great.

I like the thought of the 1x T&G cedar.  I assume a fella just cuts them to size and connects them the entire length?  I was thinking I would just run parallel 2x and tack the soffit into it on each side.

Let me know if I've de-railed!!



Title: Installing Stove Pipe
Post by: Alberta Curt on May 07, 2009, 05:46:13 PM
Going to attempt to install my stove pipe this weekend through the metal roof.  I know its might not be rocket science, but I also know the hole isn't going to be perfectly round.  Any tips fellas?

Curt
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 07, 2009, 05:56:37 PM
Just don't cut it any larger than the boot flange.  And get the boot for metal roofing.  It has a flexible aluminum trim that contours to the peaks and valleys.  If you have a little latitude on the location I try to get mine to fall in the valley or flat of the panel.  Pilot hole from the bottom & cut from the top.  I have heard of others that are off on their measurements and end up cutting through a rafter.

As for your soffit.  I would imagine that would work with the cedar providing that they do not open up and let bugs in through the crack.  Have you decided on a vent yet?
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: MountainDon on May 07, 2009, 06:31:23 PM
I marked the center of the pipe on the floor with the stove moved off to the side. Then I used a 2 lb. plumb bob (and a helper) to find the center of the pipe line on the underside of the sheathing. Then I drilled a hole through. Then on top of the roof, using the flashing as a guide the cut out was marked, then cut. Fit perfect.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on May 08, 2009, 04:23:47 PM
Thanks guys.  I have the boot you mention with the flexible aluminum trim.  Did you screw the alumimum trim to the roof with the screws that come with the metal roof?  Or just silicon it?

For the soffit I'm going with cedar board and batten.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 08, 2009, 06:10:55 PM
Use both. Silicon under the seal and roofing(gasketed) screws on top.  I always for a little better protection lay a bead of caulk on the top(peak side) of the trim after I have attached by the other two means.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: MountainDon on May 08, 2009, 06:52:21 PM
As redoverfarm said   :D
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on May 18, 2009, 12:13:46 PM
Here is where I ended up this weekend with the veranda.  Instead of taking the facia off, I ran the veranda joists into the facia using hangers.  Chose this approach because I had already previously installed the metal trim.  Have the ledger board installed on the other side and now just the corner work remains.  Sat and stared at it for a few hours before I decided to come home and ask for help.

I think the right way to do this is to run a double 2x corner joist from the corner of the cabin, but the facia gets in the way??  Could run the corner joist from the corner of the facia??  Sure wish I did the veranda before the metal.  HELP!!!

Maybe I'll just throw a tarp over.  Can't look that bad.

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on May 19, 2009, 05:10:25 PM
No really............I need help!  ???
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: MountainDon on May 19, 2009, 05:30:19 PM
I confused myself looking at the photo. Some how my eyes, such as they are, remained focused on that ledger on the end wall.  d*

So is that roof on the side wall and the roof on the end wall meant to be joined at the corner to cover a porch that wraaps around the corner?     I wish PEG would drop by.    ???
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: ScottA on May 19, 2009, 05:52:43 PM
I doubt that facia board will carry much of a load. You have the porch rafters attached to the facia which is not designed to be load bearing. My advice would be to rework it so they attach to a ledger board like the side wall. It should be properly supported. Bolted to the wall or notched in would be better. Same goes for the ledger on the side wall. What kind of snow loads you have there? Nails won't hold much in shear. If you get very much snow on there you may have a problem. As for the corner you are just framing a hip roof corner. The board that runs on a 45 from the corner needs to be a size larger than the rafters.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on May 21, 2009, 12:15:58 PM
Mountain,

That's exactly what I'm trying to achieve.  Any thoughts?  Be nice.

Curt
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: MountainDon on May 21, 2009, 05:28:04 PM
Well, I've left this bouncing around the crannies of my mind and other than calling and paying "Bob the Builder" to do this here's something to chew on.

Looking at that picture it seems the desire is to run the side rood off at the level of the eves there. Then it'll wrap around the end in a hip style as Scott pointed out.

IF, you removed those joists and the fascia board(s) you should be able to run those porch roof rafters back to a ledger that would be lag screwed to the wall studs. MTL, you'd need new longer rafters if you wanted or needed to keep the porch at it's present width. The new rafters would be brought out positioned to lay against the rafter tails of the main roof.

From the photos I can't tell if the end wall ledger would be at the correct height to allow the two porch roof sections to meet in a good hip. In any event that ledger should likely be lag screwed into the wall studs as well, as Scott commented.

If you have a drip edge along that side wall fascia you might need to remove some roofing screws in order to pull it out. It's not needed there. What you will need to transition from the main roof to the porch is a "transition flashing"... I don't know the correct terminology but a good roofing supplier will know what's needed if you show them what you need to roof.

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage - Pictures Added
Post by: Alberta Curt on May 25, 2009, 05:43:38 PM
Took it all down this weekend and started over.  Pulled off the facia and ran the new veranda rafters into a ledger board and nailed them to the rafter tails.  Still need to finish the one side.  I still need some help on how to join the hip of the veranda into the corner with the existing gable end on the corner in the way.  Can't find anywhere on the net that shows the framing of the hip into the corner.  Anyone have any ideas?

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on May 30, 2009, 08:03:06 PM
As of today...........

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on June 20, 2009, 03:15:22 PM
Got the stove pipe through the roof this weekend.  Added in the deck railing, was surprised how good it looks.  Lost my fifth gas container this year to the bears.  Think I'd learn by now.

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on July 08, 2009, 03:56:23 PM

Hi everyone,

Here is a pic of the finished veranda.  This particular picture shows where the veranda rafters run into the new ledger board.  Previously removed the facia board.  My next step is to install my metal soffits.  I was thinking of just blocking in between, adding a 2x2 strip against the wall and installing soffit.  What do you think?  any alternative solutions?


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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on July 16, 2009, 11:29:19 AM
Pictures of the new fireplace and the finished soffit/trim.  Went with metal soffit which matched the roof. 

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getting close to doing the cedar siding.  My intent is to let the cedar siding go gray with age.  It is 8" beveled siding and seems somewhat brittle.  Anyone have experience with cedar siding?  Should I consider giving it an initial coat of oil and then let it age? 
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 02, 2009, 06:20:02 AM
I sent you a PM. Let me know if you received it.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Bishopknight on August 03, 2009, 04:08:39 PM
I did cedar shingle siding on my 12x16 cabin. Came out nice. It was $25 per bundle from Home Depot. Cost around $400 to do the entire thing. Still looks good and has barely started to grey. I also have a green colored roof as well.

keep the pics coming! great work!

- BK
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on August 16, 2009, 05:50:17 PM
Started the cedar siding.  Originally planned on letting it grey, then we decided to put a coat of linseed on it.  I like it.  Here is a picture of the back.  Also started insulating.  Not as fast as I wanted, but its getting there.

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on August 16, 2009, 06:00:49 PM
Nice looking siding, Curt.   :D
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: rick91351 on August 16, 2009, 06:33:08 PM
Your progress is impressive to me.   [cool]


 
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: poppy on August 17, 2009, 01:08:05 PM
Curt, good looking siding [cool]

I'm going with cedar siding also and don't really like the grey, so I was thinking of some kind of finish.  How often will you have to recoat?
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on August 17, 2009, 04:55:09 PM
Poppy..........I'm sure there are many factors associated with the fequency of recoating.  I was told every 3 or 4 years.  I'll see how it goes..........depending on the look, we may leave it to grey.

Curt
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on August 21, 2009, 04:04:58 PM
Going to start the vapor barrier tomorrow.  My plan is to:

1. caulk gaps and double studs
2. start at the top of the roof and work down with the poly
3. staple as I go

It sounds easy enough, but I thought I better check in with you folks for some helpful tips before I start.  Any thoughts? Or is it as easy as 1, 2, 3??

Curt


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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on September 25, 2009, 06:14:41 PM
Finished the vapor barrier.............

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on September 25, 2009, 06:16:13 PM
A visitor last weekend in the back yard...........

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on September 25, 2009, 06:18:22 PM
Progess as of today.........

I am starting the pine interior shortly.  Do you guys have any recommendations for stain?

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 26, 2009, 01:47:38 AM
Albert have you already installed the pine?  I normally pre-finish before installation.  Especially if it is a tone down from the natural color.  If not the wood will move and the tounge area will sometimes show natural.  As for particular products in stain one is about as good as the other. Olympic, cabot, Mimwax.  I would recommend a oil finish over a water based.  As for the top coat I went with Mimwax Polycrylic for the ease of reapplication in short periods of time.  
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: devildog on September 26, 2009, 06:33:05 AM
The siding looks great! I was thinking of board and batten, but I think those pics changed my mind. what is the size and type(lap?) you used?
IM also eventually going to build 20x30 1.5 story. I noticed after going thru your photos that you have built an addition (10x16?) on to your 20x30. Id like to build a 12x16 shed roof addition to mine, as a bedroom. did you have to do anything special , or have any advise for somene attempting this? I did find out from my building official that I didnt have to have plans for the addition as long as its built to code. thanks darrell
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on September 26, 2009, 06:29:27 PM
Albert have you already installed the pine?  I normally pre-finish before installation.  Especially if it is a tone down from the natural color.  If not the wood will move and the tounge area will sometimes show natural.  As for particular products in stain one is about as good as the other. Olympic, cabot, Mimwax.  I would recommend a oil finish over a water based.  As for the top coat I went with Mimwax Polycrylic for the ease of reapplication in short periods of time.  

Hey Redoverfarm,

I have yet to start the pine so I will gladly take your advice and pre-finish prior to installation.  It's a great tip!  I never would of considered the fact the T&G may shift exposing the unfinished tongue.  Thank you very much for the info.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on September 26, 2009, 06:36:22 PM
The siding looks great! I was thinking of board and batten, but I think those pics changed my mind. what is the size and type(lap?) you used?
IM also eventually going to build 20x30 1.5 story. I noticed after going thru your photos that you have built an addition (10x16?) on to your 20x30. Id like to build a 12x16 shed roof addition to mine, as a bedroom. did you have to do anything special , or have any advise for somene attempting this? I did find out from my building official that I didnt have to have plans for the addition as long as its built to code. thanks darrell

Hi Darrell,

We used 1x8 beveled cedar siding.  With a 1 and 1/4 inch overlap, it left approx 6 inches exposed.  Finished it with linseed oil.  Nothing special with the addition Darrell.  I did need alot of help with the hip roof, but that is easy to come by in this forum.  They feedback here was awesome.  I just added an additional 15 ft beam at the beginning of construction and ran joists into the main 20x30 section.  Our extension is actually going to be split into two room - a bathroom and a utility room where I'll have my solar controls and batteries.

Hope this helps


Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on September 27, 2009, 05:10:31 PM

Finished the veranda.  Still contemplating how to do the soffit underneath.  I think I'll block it like Redoverfarm suggested.


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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Don & Ginger Lundgren on September 28, 2009, 06:03:51 AM
We love the way that siding looks. The color with that green trim looks fantastic to me. The wrap around porch is very similar to what we want to do. Keep up all of the hard work you are doing.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on September 28, 2009, 01:27:32 PM
RE: the interior T&G pine.

Any reason you need to stain it? Have you thought about leaving it natural and using an absolutely clear, colorless finish like the Minwax Polycrylic, John (redoverfarm) mentioned? It goes on milky but dries cpompletely clear. It does not yellow with age either. That what we did on our T&G ceiling and wall. Not having any color stain and with the product not having any color either there's no worry about movement showing a color line.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on September 28, 2009, 05:56:00 PM
No reason at all that I can think of.  I like the idea of the natural color.  I'll let you know how it turns out.  Thanks again to everyone for the help. 
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on September 30, 2009, 06:39:06 AM
Finally done siding............

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: germangirl on September 30, 2009, 08:09:10 AM
OOOH! I love it! :) Great job. I can't wait to see how the inside turns out. I like Don's suggestion for the natural look.
-Liesl
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: PA-Builder on September 30, 2009, 09:12:56 AM
Good Job!  You got a great looking rustic cabin...
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alasdair on September 30, 2009, 12:10:36 PM
Looking very nice.  :)
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Bobby.B on September 30, 2009, 04:16:59 PM
Hi Curt sorry I haven’t got back to you sooner I haven’t been on line lately. I still have not completed my ceiling in the porch area nor installed my vents (soffits).
Your cottage is looking awesome you have made some good progress.

Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Sassy on October 01, 2009, 07:07:49 PM
Wow!  Love it!  I'm looking forward to seeing the work on the inside, too  :)
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on October 11, 2009, 08:02:49 AM
I think Glenn had mentioned blocking the veranda joists to install soffit to.  Is this the idea?


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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on November 01, 2009, 07:58:29 AM
Winter showed up this weekend at the land.  Weird thing is that 10 miles from the cabin, there isn't a drop of snow.  Started the interior......

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on December 13, 2009, 05:19:27 PM
-57 celcius today at the cabin.  WTF???
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Mo on December 13, 2009, 07:27:58 PM
Please forgive me for complaining about 16 and sunny. Your house is beautiful, Stay warm.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on April 04, 2010, 03:10:49 PM
Progress was slow over the winter..............

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This isn't my pet dog on the driveway..........

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 04, 2010, 03:54:48 PM
Looking good. Maybe with the weather breaking you can make more progress,
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on May 14, 2010, 03:06:56 PM
getting close to finishing the interior pine.  Does anyone know what the drawbacks are if no coating is put on the pine?  I was thinking of just leaving it natural.

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: MountainDon on May 14, 2010, 03:34:13 PM
getting close to finishing the interior pine.  Does anyone know what the drawbacks are if no coating is put on the pine?  I was thinking of just leaving it natural.

Mainly it won't stay looking that way.

Anything rubbing against it may leave marks, dirt, that may be difficult to remove. 

The wood will discolor over time. Pine will get more and more yellow if uncoated.

A good clear coat stops the yellowing. I don't like yellowing and particularly like Minwax Polycrylic.

But it is a personal choice. What you have looks nice. A clear coat will keep it looking that way.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: John Raabe on May 14, 2010, 05:41:13 PM
Another option is a "soft coat" finish such as a danish oil (Watco and others). This gives a satin finish that still breathes. It can be scrubbed and renewed and will not chip, crack or scratch the way hard coat finishes do. It will slow the natural darkening of wood.
Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on May 30, 2010, 11:22:38 AM
a few pics of progress inside and underneath.............

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Alberta Curt on September 11, 2010, 05:19:07 PM
Finishing touches..................

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Title: Re: 1 and 1/2 Story 20x30 Alberta Cottage
Post by: Boatz on September 12, 2010, 07:27:59 AM
Geez, this looks just gorgeous! I'd love to see your floor plan and what you did with the utility room/bathroom addition.
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