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Title: Serious Forest Thinning At Last
Post by: MountainDon on January 07, 2017, 07:15:03 AM
Like much of the western mountains, the Jemez Mountains of New Mexico have suffered from decades of  wildfire suppression and the cessation of commercial logging. However, after years of planning and studies we now have a serious thinning effort underway in the mountains around our property. (We are one of 4 or 5 private landowners who ar surrounded by the Santa fe National Forest. We've thinned our land, most of the neighbors have not... but that is another matter.)

Here are a few pictures we took between Christmas and New Years.

This is an area very close to us. Before the thinning we could not see the slope in the distance. It was a wall of green pines.

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A closer in shot of the central area from the first image. Taken closer and looking to the right down the road that runs up the draw.

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Yours truly standing in front of one of the numerous stacks of logs, showing typical range of sizes harvested.

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In some places even larger trees have been harvested as well as the smallest and everything in between. The present active contract is for approximately 1200 acres. One day while we were tramping around the woods on our snowshoes we cameacross the forest service fuels specialist. We chatted a while. The project is aimed at reducing the tree density down to 20 to 60 trees per acre, average. That is from a high in many places of 900 to 1000 trees per acre.

Unfortunately there is not a big market for the harvested trees. Mostly the larger trees will become large size posts and beams for custom homes. NM also uses a number of peeled round logs in many custom homes... in the manner that all homes here used to be built. However, when it comes to 2x lumber it is difficult to compete on price with Canadian imports and plantation lumber from the Southern USA. So much of the harvest will end up being gathered for firewood in spring and summer. Once the logs are removed and the slash dry then those piles will be burned next winter.

Then we will see the native grasses regrow. We've already seen more deer than in previous years, all because of the greater visibility through the trees. It is also so cool to be able to see the lay of the land, to be able to seethe slopes and details in the distance. We are thrilled to see the work that has been done so far. This should go a long ways to improve the general health of the forest here.

Title: Re: Serious Forest Thinning At Last
Post by: akwoodchuck on January 07, 2017, 10:47:58 AM
Very nice....trees with elbow room are definitely happier and healthier!  [cool]....We've seen the same thing up here: after decades of wildfire suppression, then a major die-off from bark beetles, you can hardly walk through the woods anymore...solid walls of brush, dead fallen trees, and tallgrass intertwined through it all.... :-[
Title: Re: Serious Forest Thinning At Last
Post by: Don_P on January 07, 2017, 04:14:30 PM
That thinning looks very nice, that is pretty much how a western forest is supposed to look. They were having the same problem with doghair stands of ponderosa when we were working in the Black Hills. The land will support X amount of biomass, we can choose for it to be a dense scrubby stand or a healthy renewable resource. Once we enter into the equation we take on the role of gardener. Looks like some good timber came out. The sawmill in the hills put in a pellet plant, Rapid City was an inversion pocket but clean pellet stoves were allowed, so it was a win/win. Who is the real environmentalist here  ;)

 If I were to do that type of separation in my white pines the forester said I would have windthrow, they are supporting one another on pretty shallow roots. That would be from me not thinning them 30 years ago. He suggested a clearcut of that area. I need to take them in chunks I can digest so will clearcut pockets back to back hoping not to smush the small hardwoods waiting in the shadows. Actually a young oak can be browsed every year for a decade or so and just work on its roots. They can take some damage but it obviously sets them back. When I talk to foresters my ignorance shines but I enjoy it.
Title: Re: Serious Forest Thinning At Last
Post by: Adam Roby on January 19, 2017, 02:14:44 PM
Just saw this video of a piece of equipment cutting trees and stripped them of their branches.
Thing looks crazy, wouldn't take long to do a forest with this thing.

(Not sure if its a public video on Facebook)
https://www.facebook.com/vidanocampo/videos/1864732923770005/ (https://www.facebook.com/vidanocampo/videos/1864732923770005/)
Title: Re: Serious Forest Thinning At Last
Post by: MountainDon on January 19, 2017, 02:36:30 PM
The video worked for me. Nice all in one machine.

Terry who has the contract here has individual machines. His  feller buncher (machine that grasps and cuts the tree) is a Timberpro (http://timberpro.com/photos.html). It was new last year. It is tracked; very wide stance. His harvester (removes branches as the tree is fed through) is an oldie. 
Title: Re: Serious Forest Thinning At Last
Post by: MountainDon on January 19, 2017, 02:46:22 PM
 feller buncher like this one but a wider track because of the terrain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjqnOtknnGE

Title: Re: Serious Forest Thinning At Last
Post by: ChugiakTinkerer on January 19, 2017, 02:55:34 PM
That thinned out slope looks it will make nice elk habitat.  Do you see many buglers at your place?
Title: Re: Serious Forest Thinning At Last
Post by: MountainDon on January 19, 2017, 04:10:58 PM
We hear them a lot. What a great sound!  We hope to be able to see more of them now with the thinned trees.  We also have a good sized deer population and sighted small groups of them twice the last time we were snow shoeing through the newly thinned areas. ve the "new" forest too. 
Title: Re: Serious Forest Thinning At Last
Post by: CabinNick on January 23, 2017, 08:05:53 PM
Looks good Don.  This last summer I hand thinned about 20 acres of our property - that is a lot of work but fun!  Next summer we are going to have a contractor come in and use an excavator to grapple pile the slash that I created and then use a slash buster head to thin the remaining 60 acres. 

We are surrounded by Forest Service ground.  They had a large commercial sale started a few years ago that was supposed to be followed by thinning and prescribed burning but an environmental group sued them and a judge put an injunction on the activity.  Now the USFS is trying to get the sale through NEPA analysis again and finish the work.  Hoping they won't get sued again so they can do the work and provide a little more fire protection for our place. 
Title: Re: Serious Forest Thinning At Last
Post by: hpinson on April 15, 2017, 07:22:47 PM
I just traveled through Flagstaff, AZ. They are serious about tree thinning around that town! The thinned Ponderosa forest there is impressive.
Title: Re: Serious Forest Thinning At Last
Post by: hpinson on October 16, 2017, 05:27:14 AM
10/15/17 - I just drove down FR 103 from Gallina NM to 96.  There is an impressive amount of thinning going on, near the road anyways.
Title: Re: Serious Forest Thinning At Last
Post by: MountainDon on October 16, 2017, 08:22:52 AM
I sincerely hope the thinning helps to prevent serious out of control wildfires.  I still have concerns regarding the slash left behind. This session of thinning does not include mulching, chipping the slash. At least not in the Jemez area. The intent is to burn when there is sufficient snow. I hope we get a good snowy winter. The other half of that concern is that the slash burns can get hot enough to kill off the conifers needles and that kills the tree. That has happened in our area in the past few years. Time will tell.