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Title: Thought For the Day
Post by: pioneergal(Guest) on April 06, 2006, 12:28:48 PM

People will be more impressed by what you finish than by what you start and never complete.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: lodestar on April 06, 2006, 12:35:47 PM
There is an old buddhist saying...something to the effect:  A person who finishes working on their house, dies.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on April 06, 2006, 12:46:06 PM
Pioneergal, I'm with you but Glenn agrees with Lodestar  :-?  Is it a "male/female" thing?   :-/  Sassy
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: pioneergal(Guest) on April 06, 2006, 01:17:17 PM
 :-/
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: pioneergal(Guest) on April 06, 2006, 01:20:37 PM
Tim The Toolman Taylor........

women like to see things accomplished......men just like doing things


DH said that if we don't get this house finished there may not be a male or female around this place.  ;D
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: lodestar on April 06, 2006, 05:00:02 PM
Hmmmm...we built our home 22 years ago, but are making changes/amendments here and there.  It's odd that you say it's a male/female thing, cuz my wife is constantly saying, "we can just do this, or that"...I told her my least favorite 4 letter word in the english language is 'just' when it is meant, it's so easy....ha!  To me when someone says 'just do this' I figure it'll take twice as long with three times the trouble.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on April 06, 2006, 05:56:13 PM
Those "justs" are "just" the things we need to get things "just" the way we want them & then its finished...  ;)  but later it "just" might need a little change or "just" a little addition...  :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: jb52761 on April 07, 2006, 08:25:10 AM
I like pioneergal's initial thought, I can work with that...my thought for the day is..." Both of your brothers' are coming home from St. Paul for a visit tomorrow, one is a carpenter and the other one is a know-it-all, better burn the midnight oil and get things in order"... :-?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: pioneergal(Guest) on April 07, 2006, 09:09:16 AM
 "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes."


If this saying is true then I have a lot of experience :-[   ...... pioneergal
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Jimmy_Cason on April 07, 2006, 09:52:49 AM
Quote
..I told her my least favorite 4 letter word in the english language is 'just' when it is meant, it's so easy....ha!  To me when someone says 'just do this' I figure it'll take twice as long with three times the trouble.

I got started building my house because my wife said those 4 words I dread!.....
(Honey, I've been thinking..)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: benevolance on April 08, 2006, 08:58:59 PM
It is a Male/Female thing

Hopefully the Males are winning! ;)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on April 16, 2006, 09:24:02 AM
"Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. "In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended. Its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force of the people. "The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and morals, engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." : James Madison, April 20, 1795

I support our Republic, but the freedom it gives also exposes us to excesses & fraud.  If there isn't a set moral basis, I don't see how a republic or democracy can continue.    Sassy

"The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.": Elizabeth Cady Stanton Biography - Reformer, Writer, Lecturer, 1815-1902

"All experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."  
The Declaration of Independence (1776)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on April 20, 2006, 08:29:56 PM
I guess that leaves me out.  The best I can think of is from my buddy, Al.

He say's if you want to know the easiest way to do something, ask a lazy man.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Jimmy_Cason on April 21, 2006, 06:33:29 AM
My Thought for the day..
Because I'm a man....



Because I'm a man, when I lock my keys in the car, I will fiddle with a coat hanger long after hypothermia has set in. Calling AAA is not an option. I will win.
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Because I'm a man, when the car isn't running very well, I will pop the hood and stare at the engine as if I know what I'm looking at. If another man shows up, one of us will say to the other,  "I used to be able to fix these things, but now with all these computers and everything, I wouldn't know where to start." We will then drink a couple of beers and break wind, as a form of male bonding.
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Because I'm a man, when I catch a cold, I need someone to bring me soup and take care of me while I lie in bed and moan. You're a woman.  You never get as sick as I do, so for you, this is no problem.
_______________________________________________

Because I'm a man, I can be relied upon to purchase basic groceries at the store, like milk or bread. I cannot be expected to find exotic items like "cumin" or "tofu." For all I know, these are the same thing.
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Because I'm a man, when one of our appliances stops working, I will insist on taking it apart, despite evidence that this will just cost me twice as much once the repair person gets here and has to put it back together.
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Because I'm a man, I must hold the television remote control in my hand while I watch TV. If the thing has been misplaced, I may miss a whole show looking for it.....though one time I was able to survive by holding a calculator.....(applies to engineers mainly).
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Because I'm a man, there is no need to ask me what I'm thinking about. The true answer is always either sex, cars, sex, sports or sex. I have to make up something else when you ask, so don't ask.
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Because I'm a man, I do not want to visit your mother, or have your mother come visit us, or even talk to her when she calls. Whatever you got her for Mother's Day is okay; I don't need to see it. And don't forget to pick up something for my mother, too.
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Because I'm a man, you don't have to ask me if I liked the movie.  Chances are, if you're crying at the end of it, I didn't....and if you are feeling amorous afterwards....then I will certainly at least remember the name and recommend it to others.
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Because I'm a man, I think what you're wearing is fine. I thought what you were wearing five minutes ago was fine, too. Either pair of shoes is fine.  With the belt or without it, looks fine. Your hair is fine. You look fine.  Can we just go now?
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Because I'm a man, and this is, after all, the year 2006, I will share equally in the housework. You just do the laundry, the cooking, the cleaning, the vacuuming, and the dishes, and I'll do the rest...... like wandering around in the garden wondering what to do!
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This has been a public service message for women to better understand men.
  
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on April 23, 2006, 06:23:01 PM
      Weather: If you feel stuff falling from the sky, better check to make sure it's rain, cause there's also a lot of birds flying around too, eh!

McKenzie Bros.

Courtesy Bobnet -http://www.execulink.com/~bobnet/
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: jraabe on April 28, 2006, 01:46:01 PM
The Wisdom of Jack Handy...

It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.

I think a pillow should be the peace symbol, not the dove. The pillow has more feathers than the dove, and it doesn't have a beak to peck you with.

When Gary told me he had found Jesus, I thought, Yahoo! We're rich! But it turned out to be something different.

Probably the saddest thing you'll ever see is a mosquito sucking on a mummy. Forget it, little friend.

More HERE (http://farstrider.net/DeepThoughts/Handey.htm)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on April 28, 2006, 08:27:19 PM
Good stuff, John.  I like this one.

To me, it's a good idea to always carry two sacks of something when you walk around. That way, if anybody says, "Hey, can you give me a hand?" you can say, "Sorry, got these sacks."

Yesterday I was at McDonalds near work.  A panhandler who had been there everyday all week came up to me to ask for money.  He said, "Hey, can you help me out?" -- I said kind of whispering, "Yeah, they just called the cops inside." --- He said, "Oh, thanks." and took off as fast as he could go.  I thought I was real cute. :)

Glenn
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: jonseyhay on April 28, 2006, 09:52:06 PM
Work your fingers to the bone and what have you got; "bony fingers"... Sonny Bono.

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence; but you still gotta mow it... Me. ;D
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: peg_688 on April 29, 2006, 05:55:56 AM
 "Be what you is and not what you is not. Folks that is what they is, is the happiest lot."


    [size=12]  Mr. Wizard to tooter turtle at the end of each adventure / show . [/size]
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: jraabe on April 29, 2006, 10:03:43 AM
Does this strike close to the bone for any of us CountryPlanners?

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Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on April 29, 2006, 11:52:14 AM
Here's several "thoughts for the day"  ::)

         [1]  Sometimes, when I look at my children, I say to myself, "Lillian, you
        should have remained a virgin." - Lillian Carter (mother of Jimmy
        Carter)
      
        [2]  I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not
        pleased to read the description in the catalogue: "No good in a bed, but
        fine against a wall."  - Eleanor Roosevelt
      
        [3]  Last week, I stated this woman was the ugliest woman I had ever
        seen.  I  have since been visited by her sister, and now wish to withdraw
        that statement. - Mark Twain
      
        [4]  The secret of a good sermon is to have a good beginning and a good
        ending; and to have the two as close together as possible. - George
        Burns
      
        [5]  Santa Claus has the right idea. Visit people only once a year. -
        Victor  Borge
      
        [6]  Be careful about reading health books You may die of a misprint. -
        Mark Twain
      
        [7]  What would men be without women? Scarce, sir . . mighty scarce. -
        Mark Twain
      
        [8]  By all means, marry. If you get a good wife, you'll become happy;
        if  you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher. - Socrates
      
        [9]  I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a jury - Groucho
        Marx
      
        [10]  My wife has a slight impediment in her speech. Every now and then
        she stops to breathe. - Jimmy Durante
      
        [11]  The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness and
        kindness, can be trained to do most things. - Jilly Cooper
      
        [12]  I have never hated a man enough to give his diamonds back. - Zsa
        Zsa Gabor
      
        [13]  Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential
        food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. - Alex Levine
      
        [14]  Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes
        you nothing. It was here first. - Mark Twain
      
        [15]  My luck is so bad that if I bought a cemetery, people would stop
        dying. - Ed Furgol
      
        [16]  Money can't buy you happiness . . but it does bring you a more
        pleasant form of misery. - Spike Milligan
      
        [17]  What's the use of happiness? It can't buy you money. - Henny
        Youngman
      
        [18]  I am opposed to millionaires . . but it would be dangerous to
        offer  me the position.  - Mark Twain
      
        [19]  Until I was thirteen, I thought my name was shut up. - Joe Namath
      
        [20]  Youth would be an ideal state if it came a little later in life. -
        Herbert Henry Asquith
      
        [21]  I don't feel old. I don't feel anything until noon. Then it's time
        for  my nap. - Bob Hope
      
        [22]  I never drink water because of the disgusting things that fish do
        in it. - WC. Fields
      
        [23]  We could certainly slow the ageing process down if it had to work
        its way through Congress. - Will Rogers
      
        [24]  Don't worry about avoiding temptation . . . as you grow older, it
        will avoid you. -  Winston Churchill
      
        [25]  Maybe it's true that life begins at fifty.. but everything else
        starts  to wear out, fall out, or spread out. - Phyllis Diller
      
        [26]  The cardiologist's diet: If it tastes good spit it out. - Unknown
      
        [27]  By the time a man is wise enough to watch his step, he's too old
        to  go anywhere.  -  Billy Crystal
        
  
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on May 05, 2006, 08:54:05 PM
A variation on the fisherman wisdom.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.




Ripped off from an engineering blogger's site.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Amanda_931 on May 06, 2006, 03:37:45 AM
That could mean lots of things.

Krispy Kritter to fanatic, and points beween.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on May 09, 2006, 04:36:48 AM
I woke up this morning to the sound of a kitty meowing outside my motel room window.  

I stayed at a different motel a little more rural, and was unfamiliar with the local animals that might be wandering around outside the room.

I lay there wondering, should I get up and see if she will let me pet her?  It feels so nice lying here all warm under the covers.  I'm still kind of sleepy.

I was thinking of how it was always nice to pet a little friendly stray cat.  I was thinking , she might be a calico like my old cat up in Oregon when I was a child.  I was thinking how it's a bit like meeting a friend in a strange town, how a nice friendly little kitty will weave herself back and forth between your ankles just taking the attention she craves so desperately whether you are ready to give it to her or not.

I missed my kitty at home when I heard her outside meowing like that.  Did she stop?  Did she go away?  Should I get up and look?

I stopped breathing for a second or two to see if I could still hear her before I made the extra effort to throw off the covers, roll out of bed and open the door a crack so I could see if I could see her without getting dressed.  No, I didn't hear her.  She must have went on her way.

Then I took another breath.  Oh there she was again.  Wait a minute---breathe --stop ---breathe ----stop.  She's there ---she's gone--- she's there ---she's gone.  My head is plugged up and the kitty is inside my head.  I hope she's a nice kitty.

That's my first thought for the day.  Bet you are glad you are not me. :-/

Glenn  :)











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Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: jraabe on May 09, 2006, 05:48:02 AM
I thought it was going to be a warm and fuzzy kitty story...


But the ending turned out more like a teenager's horror movie  :P
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on May 09, 2006, 05:53:48 AM
Sorry about that.  Too bad it was true ----  :-/
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Amanda_931 on May 09, 2006, 03:41:11 PM
would have been nicer if it was a kitty, but more likely this:

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Dust mites are wonderful--but just think, we'd be knee deep in dead skin cells if they weren't there!

And yep, they are arachnids like ticks (and spiders).

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on May 09, 2006, 05:33:01 PM
Yup --that probably was it.  They are not as cute as a kitty, but there are lots of them.  Seem to be harder to make friends with than a kitty. :-/
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Amanda_931 on May 10, 2006, 07:17:38 AM
I really love that cartoon John posted.  Been there, done that, whined about other people doing that.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: jraabe on May 10, 2006, 01:54:50 PM
Three more Deep Thoughts (Jack Handy) for today:

Children need encouragement. If a kid gets an answer right, tell him it was a lucky guess. That way he develops a good, lucky feeling.

The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.

If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on May 24, 2006, 04:59:33 AM
Quote
For life go work, or for work go life?

Wei Er

Wise Chinese Proverb  - Think about it. :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on May 26, 2006, 12:36:23 PM
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is
being run by smart people who are putting us on,  
or by imbeciles who really mean
it."    -- Mark Twain

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on May 26, 2006, 03:52:30 PM
This little story was sent to me the other day by a friend, thought you might enjoy it...

From one Crackpot to another and another!  

Just a thought to brighten your day!

An elderly Chinese woman had two large pots, each hung on the
 
ends of a pole which she carried across her neck.
 
One of the pots had a crack in it while the other pot was perfect

and always delivered a full portion of water. At the end of the long

 walk from the stream to the house, the cracked pot arrived only half full.  

For a full two years this went on daily, with the woman bringing home

only one and a half pots of water.  Of course, the perfect pot was proud

of  its accomplishments. But the poor cracked pot was ashamed of its own

imperfection, and miserable that it could only do half of  what it

had been made to do. After 2 years of what it perceived to be bitter

failure, it spoke to the woman one day by the stream. "I am ashamed of

myself, because this crack in my side causes water to leak out all the

way back to your house."

The old woman smiled, "Did you notice that there are flowers

on  your side of the path, but not on the other pot's side?" "That's

because  I  have always known about your flaw, so I planted flower seeds

on  your side of the path, and every day while we walk back, you water  them."

"For two years I have been able to pick these beautiful flowers to

decorate the table.  Without you being just the way you are,

there would not be this beauty to grace the house."

Each of us has our own unique flaw. But it's the cracks and

flaws we each have that make our lives together so very interesting and

rewarding.

You've just got to take each person for what they are and look

for the good in them.

SO, to all of my crackpot friends, have a great day and

remember to smell the flowers on your side of the path!

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on May 29, 2006, 09:40:55 AM
Isn't this what our servicemen are fighting for?

www.GiveMeLiberty.org

WE THE PEOPLE

WTP Forcing Numerous High Courts to Grapple With The Meaning of The Petition Clause  
  
Truth: the People are "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights."

Truth: The People instituted government "to secure these Rights," no more or less

Truth: The People instituted written constitutions to prohibit government from doing more or less.

Truth: The People have a Right to hold government accountable to these written constitutions.

Truth: The People have a "Right to Petition the government for Redress" of constitutional torts.

Truth: The People have a Right of Response from government to these Petitions for Redress.

Truth: The People have a Right to "alter the government" when it fails to respond to such Petitions.

Truth: The People have a Right of Enforcement of their Rights.

Truth: The People have a Right to retain their money until their grievances are Redressed.

The truths etched above form nothing less than the cornerstone upon which our form of governance exists and which distinguish it from every other form of government ever designed by man.  Indeed, it is solely through these Founding Principles that men can peacefully enjoy their natural dominion over servant governments and keep safe the blessings of Liberty.  

No less than the United States Supreme Court and three federal Appeals Courts are now grappling with these fundamental truths in four separate cases initiated by Bob Schulz and the We The People Foundation.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on June 18, 2006, 07:06:38 AM
"The first job of a true patriot is to question the Government"

Thomas Jefferson

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters ... but they mean to be masters. "

Daniel Webster
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: jraabe on June 19, 2006, 04:50:17 PM
Powerful quotes Glenn - from a couple of pretty smart guys!  ::)

We have to remember that this country was founded on an understanding that government must be limited and controlled by "the people" because otherwise the power-hungry will pick up the reins of power and use it for their own purposes.

Are "we, the people" willing or interested in doing that anymore?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: peg_688 on June 19, 2006, 05:07:32 PM
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    otherwise the power-hungry will pick up the reins of power and use it for their own purposes.



  Ah yes case in point our benovelent Administrator ,

  

  glenn kangiser

YaBB Administrator



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Yosemite NP

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Reply #123 - Yesterday at 12:00pm  Quote  

   Fortunately, she was at work, and like you, PEG [highlight]only gets what I allow [/highlight]her to have.


   Power corrupts , absolute power corrupts absolutely  ;)  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on June 19, 2006, 05:57:58 PM
My humblest apologies, PEG -- how could I ever have gone so wrong?  :-/ ;D  Besides, there weren't any pictures of my little incident-- only the effects. :)

Good question, John.  Even though I like to make lots of noise about it, I also am guilty of not doing enough.  Then again, many do not even make noise and still more don't even look deep enough into it to realize that there is a problem. :-/
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: jraabe on June 20, 2006, 12:34:48 PM
Bread, circuses and Survivor reruns should be enough to keep the masses sedated!  :-[
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: peg_688 on June 20, 2006, 05:50:05 PM
In way I see a connection in all this "power speak", the govt. gets a bad time when it is over reaching and also when it's to slow to fix things , NO comes to mind  ::) BTW govt. troops are back to quell violence  by gangs .

  Oddly the safest time ," least vioilence",  in NO MTL was at the height of the flooding  and in the next week or so,  if it was studied less" person to person "violence in the city would be the result IMO.  

 Not sure how to type all this but there is a wierd connection to the guest posting on this site and a out of control govt.

  As Glenn and John decide what to do about it they in a way have become "Caesar" in a way with little check and balance .

 Oddly I agree with all Glenn has done but I still see it as wierd / connected / sama type of thing Glenn and John just posted about on this thread  :o ::)

  Yes a much smaller scale but as Glenn has posted on the other thread he's sort of "protecting us " from our self in a way, we could turn  the computer off and or avoid the spam sort of ,    and maybe is infringing on the spammers civil rights to free speach etc etc . Maybe I just trying to put the round peg in the sqr. hole . Maybe not ::) if you can see what I so pooly trying to say.

  Just like Jeb Bush who I heard on Paul Harvey today has repealed the helmet law in Fl. like 6 years ago . Records show that when the helmet law was in about 20 folks killed per year every year since 200+ folks killed pre year .  

  So is he wrong should it be reverved , again?  What will that cost ??

  So where is that line ? That balance point ? Have we / They :-/crossed it ?

 If so ,,reality is it will never be recrossed / backed up, if so .

  Sort of wierd , maybe makes no sence at all , oh well never said I was a public speaker/ typer.  :-[ :'(  
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Amanda_931 on June 20, 2006, 07:24:04 PM
When I rode things like Honda 50's in Honolulu, I felt--with a lot of people--that the ability to hear, to feel connected with the world around me probably made me, on balance, safer than wearing a helmet --couldn't hear, some peripheral vision loss, etc.  

Even though I knew people who had had pretty dreadful accidents on scooters--even an accident where a helmet would have almost certainly prevented several days in a coma and permanent loss of smell/taste (he could still taste sweet/sour/salt/maybe bitter, but probably not been able to tell the difference by taste between an onion and an apple).

At the time I occasionally wondered if those of us who chose to ride without a helmet should post some sort of bond/carry insurance or something to pay for the cost of scraping us off the pavement.

By the time I got a big bike--every bit of 400cc's--that thought that 80 mph was a good speed, no complaining, no vibration, helmets may have been better designed, and it was nice to keep the rain out, and have bugs hit the face shield instead of me.

Choice is good.  But it may come with a cost.  For starters we have to think   ::)

B
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on June 20, 2006, 08:38:33 PM
I see what you are talking about PEG, but there are already sufficient laws in place to protect us without us having to give up our rights to our own castle.  Would you feel the same if you could see Big Brother standing beside you listening to your every word - following your every keystroke --

They haven't caught one real proven terrorist and some think that the 9/11 so called terrorists were assisted from the inside to help get things the way they are going today-- - but they have taken away our right to close our door to them --now they don't even have to knock.  What stranger do you trust with your property, life or family that much?

The spammers are free to open their own website or post on a health or porn website or other places they may be wanted.  I just blocked them from here and didn't even go into their home without knocking.  That is how my almighty power is limited----I'm too lazy to get up out of my chair and chase them down.  Oh, for more power. :-/ ;D

I view this as protecting my family from intruders. :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on June 22, 2006, 08:19:54 AM
Found this on a Bobcat publication.

Laws of Bad Luck

• A falling object will always land where it can do the most
damage.

• A shatterproof object will always fall on the only surface
hard enough to crack or break it.

• A paint drip will always find the hole in the newspaper and land on the
carpet underneath (and will not be discovered until it has dried).

• A dropped power tool will always land on the concrete instead of soft
ground (if outdoors) or the carpet (if indoors)—unless it is running, in
which case it will fall on something it can damage (like your foot).

• If a dish is dropped while removing it from the cupboard, it will hit the
sink, breaking the dish and chipping or denting the sink in the process.

• A valuable dropped item will always fall into an inaccessible place (a diamond
ring down the drain, for example)—or into the garbage disposal
while it is running.

• If you use a pole saw to saw a limb while standing on an aluminum ladder
borrowed from your neighbor, the limb will fall in such a way as to bend
the ladder before it knocks you to the ground.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on June 23, 2006, 10:19:36 AM
Think for a moment what our country would be like if we did away with our Constitution, Bill of Rights & Declaration of Independence...

the following is a link to an interview about a real case scenario that is on-going right now - please take the time to listen to it - maybe you will agree with the plans & maybe you will be as outraged as I am...

North American Union (http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/Interview_Corsi.html)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on June 24, 2006, 12:43:36 PM
I can't resist...  :-/

 "As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Feb. 12, 2002,
Department of Defense News Briefing
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: peg_688 on June 24, 2006, 12:49:15 PM
Well ya , sage statement ;D ::)

Known unknowns , I think I found out about those working on the company van today :-/ :-/ ::) ::)

 Thats why he makes the big buck's Sassy ;D

  Back at it , more known unknowns to discover,   wonder how I'll know when I findum  :-/ :-/ ;D
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on July 02, 2006, 11:04:48 AM
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." -- Thomas Jefferson"

Think it costs too much to build a house?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on August 09, 2006, 07:33:03 PM
 "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

Anybody else smell a rat here?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: jraabe on August 09, 2006, 08:45:03 PM
A time tested technique - a formula really - sort of like the techniques used for selling soap or cola drinks.

I think of my dad... who used to be a champion of the working man... from him I learned the honesty of good hard work and dirty hands. But that support for the working man evaporated long ago.

Now, with the urging of Rush Limbaugh and others he supports a government that takes money from working middle America and spends it on tax cuts for the top 5% of the wealthy.

You can get people to act in ways that are against their own self-interest if you can stir up sufficient emotion. Goering and Limbaugh understand this and use it to motivate the masses. Combine the feeling of being wronged with a call to patriotism and you have a powerful but blind anger you can point where you wish.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on August 09, 2006, 09:32:56 PM
Combine this with Government Programming via Public Schools.

Starting even at the preschool level our children are programmed to respond to bells, unquestioningly shut off what they are doing and respond by moving to the next ordered action.  Questioning authority is not allowed.  You can take any subject you like as long as it fits in certain prescribed categories.  Sports training of one sort or another is usually mandatory.  Learn to hate the other team based on  different locations or colors.  Have a team mascot.  Unquestioningly support it and the team no matter what.

Independent thinking is discouraged -- Not a Team Player --- I proudly wore the label.

It is a simple matter to transfer this unquestioning blind unreasoning loyalty to the current political agenda.  

It is much harder to have open minded independent thought and harder still to present that thought to individuals so programmed.  Their programming is so complete they refuse to even entertain a legitimate idea that corruption exists and is in control of current events.

The bell is ringing -- the flag is waving --- time to start salivating like Pavlov's dog.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on August 19, 2006, 07:27:32 AM
Go to the first century BC and the tiny kingdom of Phrygia. There was a philosopher by the name of Epictetus and it was Epictetus who said

"Appearances are of four kinds: things either are as they appear to be; or they neither are nor appear to be; or they are but do not appear to be; or they are not and yet appear to be."
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on September 04, 2006, 09:17:32 AM
Einstein said the following:

"We have not only lost our humanity, we have lost our humility, an accurate perception of our relationship to God and the other people who inhabit an increasingly contaminated earth. “Since the advent of the Nuclear Age, everything has changed but the way people think, thus, we drift towards unparalleled catastrophe.” Albert Einstein

THE ONE WORLD ORDER: WEAPONS OF MASS INHUMANITY (http://www.newswithviews.com/Spingola/deanna50.htm)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on September 09, 2006, 04:50:03 PM
President Woodrow Wilson: "Some of the biggest men in the U. S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

President Franklin Roosevelt: "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson...

"There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operation of this network because I have studied it for twenty years, and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret records.... In general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown...." Carroll Quigley Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: benevolance on September 11, 2006, 06:30:19 PM
Sort of like that group of crusty old guys that supposedly controlled the world in the X files....And Cigarette Smoking man was their patsy...

 ;D
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on September 30, 2006, 04:21:29 AM
Great reading to go with your morning cup of coffee  :) go to www.archives.gov for the rest...

The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

    He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
    He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
    He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
    He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
    He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
    He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
    He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
    He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
    He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
    He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
    He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
    He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
    He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
    For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
    For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
    For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
    For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
    For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
    For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
    For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to l
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on September 30, 2006, 04:37:10 AM
Looks like we're about 7 out of 10.  
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Amanda_931 on September 30, 2006, 04:34:29 PM
Back some years ago--might even have been a lot, like 1976 back in the last century--somebody read that first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence to semi-random people--possibly those visiting the Liberty Bell--asked their opinion--almost all said it was treason, at least until they were told it was our declaration of independence, and we meant it.  

I occasionally ask people if we should petition Great Britain to become part of the British Empire again.

And I really don't know why they look at me strangely.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 07, 2006, 06:43:59 PM
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."  -Teddy Roosevelt
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 22, 2006, 07:25:22 AM
"Never be haughty to the humble or humble to the haughty." -- President Jefferson Davis, CSA

I read this on another site today.  It is another version of how I deal with project managers, inspectors etc. on my various jobs and in day to day dealings.  My version is I treat them the way they treat me -- however I usually try to top them - especially the ones with an attitude.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 24, 2006, 08:18:55 PM
"Politicians & diapers- Both need to be changed often, & for the same reason..."
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Amanda_931 on October 27, 2006, 03:32:46 PM
I've been trying to keep the tone all upbeat and suitable for writing in odd places in your new house, but I couldn't resist this one.

Quote
"Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
~ Anonymous
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on November 04, 2006, 09:12:59 PM
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my grandfather did, in his sleep. Not screaming like the passengers in his car. "

From the diesel truck forum - I thought it was cute --  :-/
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: jraabe on November 06, 2006, 08:47:41 PM
"Man invented language in order to satisfy his deep need to complain."

Lilly Tomlin
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on November 07, 2006, 05:13:02 AM
If it wasn't already invented, I'd probably have had to do it. :-/
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: harry51 on November 11, 2006, 06:35:21 PM
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell

The first clause of this quote describes perfectly the TV commercials against California's Prop.90 (eminent domain reform) on the recent ballot.

It was very illuminating to read the letter to the editor in the local paper, parroting the lies against the measure, that was signed by a county supervisor, the county sheriff, and several prominent citizens. Their rationale was that the pending county general plan update, which in effect makes most all property development rights subject to the sole discretion of the planning director, would likely cause the county to be sued for takings if Prop. 90 passed. Then the money that's been spent on the consultants and staff time that concocted the proposed update would have to be spent again, just to create one that considered individual property rights instead of concentrating on bureaucratic prerogative. What a shame that would be!

The painful truth is that Prop. 90 failed statewide by about 311,000 votes, 200,000 of which were cast in Los Angeles county. Most of the rest of the vote deficit came from the S.F. Bay area, and minor shortfalls came in just a few small counties, like Mariposa county, where it failed by about 400 votes.

It's really a travesty in my view that there are no apparent consequences for the perpetrators of what is arguably election fraud, and what's worse, that the lies and deceit apparently worked!

End of tirade.

Best,
Harry

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on December 08, 2006, 04:22:35 PM
Quote
Freedom, in the political sense, means exemption from the arbitrary exercise of authority in the performance of a specific action and the condition of being free of restraints. You are born free unless, and until, you choose not to be free by voluntarily accepting such restraints or by allowing such restraints to be imposed on you. Whether you actually choose to accept the restraints, choose not to oppose such restraints, or choose to believe such restraints are not optional, you have given up your natural born freedom and consented to be bound by the rule of the government; i.e. bondage to a master; i.e. a slave. If you did not consent, you would be free (dead or alive).


I like it.

From here http://www.wealth4freedom.com/free.html
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on December 18, 2006, 08:23:04 PM
sjreese on 18.12.2006 [21:46 ]         
"... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one MAKES them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. ......just pass the the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted — and you create a nation of law-breakers — and then you cash in on guilt
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: lodestar on December 19, 2006, 07:36:30 PM
Glenn mentioned the teach a man to fish line, earlier...

Here's another take on it...

Give a man a fish and he eats for today...but teach a man to fish and you can sell him line, a pole, bait, tackle, a new boat, 155 hp engine, trailer, SUV, insurance, hospitalization...medication...

Yule Tidings to all of you...we're celebrating Friday evening...just Cheryl and me...and the kittens.  Bbq, fire...forecast calls for a light snow.  We'll play music and crack a few beers.

Love to all...and may there be peace on your homes, and on earth.

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on December 19, 2006, 07:41:54 PM
That is true - Bruce -- and Festivus always brings to mind that it is the time of year to shop until you drop. :)

Always nice to hear from you, Bruce when you come up out of your cozy hideaway to say hi. :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on January 11, 2007, 08:59:49 AM
"For in a Republic, who is 'the country?' Is it the Government which is for the
moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant -- merely a
temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and
what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to
obey orders, not originate them." -- Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens]
(1835-1910)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: peg_688 on January 11, 2007, 09:09:02 AM
We "have to think " again today >:( Jessh my brain gonna hurt , again ;D
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on January 11, 2007, 09:18:57 AM
That's good for ya' PEG -- It'll keep it from freezing up.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on March 06, 2007, 06:45:00 PM
"If once [the people] become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and
Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It seems
to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions." :

Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1787


"...There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our overthrow. ...
Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the
inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their
carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I
fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and
fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the
dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing." :

Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837


"Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact
amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will
continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits
of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." :

Frederick Douglass
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on March 10, 2007, 10:40:46 PM
And in the end it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years. - Abraham Lincoln


"The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop." - P. J. O'Rourke
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on March 11, 2007, 08:16:20 AM
Quote
And in the end it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years. - Abraham Lincoln


"The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop." - P. J. O'Rourke

As regards to Lincoln, I hope in the end I never have to retire.  I want to keep on living an active life up to the last day so that I always have something more exciting to talk about than the problems I had with my last bowel movement. :-/

As to where all those bowel movements go -- we all know that all of them end up in Washington DC. :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on March 11, 2007, 11:09:38 AM
Quote
...I hope in the end I never have to retire.  I want to keep on living an active life up to the last day

Absolutely! I do plan on retiring, but not to an old folks home. (pardon my political non-correctness.... retirement community) I just want the freedom to do what I please, when I please, and not having to deal with the day to day business affairs. Just personal business.

"Each morning when I open my eyes I say to myself: I, not events, have the power to make me happy or unhappy today. I can choose which it shall be. Yesterday is dead, tomorrow hasn't arrived yet.  I have just one day, today, and I'm going to be happy in it." - Groucho Marx

And remember; "Dates in Calendar are Closer Than They Appear!"

A wonderful sunny 70 degree day today. We spent a couple hours hiking the bosque along the river this AM. (bosque = treed and bushy banks of the Rio Grande. Also used to be the area that flooded each spring before the dams were built.)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on March 12, 2007, 05:49:48 AM
"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."
    Ronald Reagan


"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia."
    Charles Schultz
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on March 12, 2007, 06:09:45 AM
I asked the lady public servant behind the counter at the county a question about solar power and being off grid a year or so ago.  

She replied that "As long as the grid is available the law says you must hook up to it.  Solar power is too unreliable.  [highlight]If you won't take care of yourself the State of California will do it for you[/highlight][/b]."  I said something to the effect of  "Oh, is that right?'  

and muttered under my breath to my wife that [highlight]"When they hook me to the grid it will be over my cold dead body."[/highlight]

...[size=20][highlight]and guess who had power while they were out of power for a day and a half[/highlight][/size].  

I failed to notice until later when everyone was complaining about it. :)

If not for her remark I may have considered using the grid for backup some day.  Now it will [highlight][size=48]never [/size][/highlight]happen.

Cool-- it looks like some psycho wrote that. :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on March 12, 2007, 11:05:24 AM
Quote
"When they hook me to the grid it will be over my cold dead body."
... or, when they hook me up to the grid it'll be to turn me into a warm dead body...  :o  
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on March 14, 2007, 05:36:56 PM
"The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the urge to rule it." -  H. L. Mencken


Does killing time damage eternity?   :-/


"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." - Ronald Reagan
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on March 19, 2007, 08:14:10 AM
Quote
Common Sense and Caution are factors which cannot be built into any product.  These Safety Factors must be supplied by the operator.

Harbor Freight Tool instruction manual Warning.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: fourx on April 06, 2007, 11:42:54 PM
..Don't worry about the world ending today- it's already tomorrow in Australia ( Charles Schultz)
And it is tomorrow, moving toward Winter.

Just my sneaky way of saying Hi.. ;)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on April 07, 2007, 02:53:49 AM
G'day, Mate, ow's it goin :-?

Can you tell us what's happening tomorrow?

Welcome to the forum.  We have a couple other friends from down there who keep us advised on the future. :)

What's on down there in toad poppers run?  Any building projects planned or in the works?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: fourx on April 07, 2007, 12:27:03 PM
 :)Hi Glenn.
Plenty of things to keep busy with over the two week Easter break down here- a little fencing, some painting, and getting the update for a firewall- 5 hours  on a 26.5 kps dial-up connection- are all on the agenda.
I designed and built my own four panel rural solar-powered home using passive solar principles 20 years back- not because of any particularly green reasons, just economics and a forty grand grid hook-up fee-  and I'm looking foward to swapping ideas here, and maybe spreading a little inspiration.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on April 07, 2007, 01:36:17 PM
Hi Fourx,
Welcome. We'd all be interested is seeing anything you plan on building as well as anything you've built so far. Re the solar, the hookup  fee can be  quite an incentive at times, right? As well it can be more reliable if done correctly.   :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: fourx on April 07, 2007, 04:51:18 PM
Hi Don, and a Happy Easter to you. Certainly being off the grid involves some minor lifestyle changes unless you are willing to pay almost what the grid hook-up cost is, but most of those changes are positive in terms of health and in the ability to downsize and trade-off more available time rather than more available money.
We can always borrow money..but time can't be borrowed.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on April 07, 2007, 05:03:26 PM
We have our solar up to where it is almost normal grid type lifestyle most of the time with just an gentle eye on energy conservation.  We are totally off grid also.  Great to have you here to swap stories with.

I assume you are central to north east Australia?  Jonesy is in NSW
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: fourx on April 07, 2007, 06:06:41 PM
I am halfway between Sydney and Brisbane, Glenn, in NSW, about 80 k's inland, in an area with a 52 inch annual rainfall...cloudy days are rare so solar here is very successful- but, as the other posters from down here have  no doubt pointed out at some time, it can be very expensive.
Have you posted pics of your set-up somewhere here? It would be interesting to see them.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on April 07, 2007, 06:17:04 PM
I have a few random pix here - probably some in the Underground Cabin thread - I'll see if I can find it or put some more.

I'll try to collect it up or update it on the Underground Cabin thread.  Here is the start of it - update will be at the end of it.

http://www.countryplans.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1107141843
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on April 07, 2007, 06:24:31 PM
Fourx, a most Happy Easter to you as well.

My suburban home has been grid tied for a few years now. At the present rates it'll never pay me back in actual dollars and cents saved on the electric bill, but the tax credits help. We do have all CFL or FL tube lights, a high efficiency furnace and A/C, but the A/C is a big user in the hot summer months. But oh so nice to have.  :) We could do better by turning lights off more tho' I think the power saved would not offset the shortened component life. However, the battery backup storage has been worth it's weight in any number of expensive metals.

The cabin I'm going to start later this spring / early summer will be totally off grid because it's way too far off in the woods and too expensive to hookup.

How's your solar insolation rating where you are? I'm in bright and sunny New Mexico, about a 6.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: fourx on April 07, 2007, 06:25:55 PM
Great pics here, Glenn, and a heap of stuff to read up on- thanks. ;)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: fourx on April 07, 2007, 06:34:22 PM
Well, my isolation rating is great, Don- not another house in sight, nearest small village five miles away, which suits me just fine- and the one inch thick wool carpet in the wall works great as insulation :)
But insolation is a term I have not run across.    :-/
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on April 07, 2007, 06:53:42 PM
That's a fine isolation rating; I like nothing in sight or hearing range.  :)

Insolation - The solar power density incident on a surface of stated area and orientation, usually expressed as Watts per square meter or Btu per square foot per hour.

I've a number of USA links but can't put a finger on a global one.   :-?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on April 07, 2007, 06:56:44 PM
Here's one for AU

http://www.rpco.com/products/solar/solar_australianz.htm
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: fourx on April 07, 2007, 08:52:25 PM
Thanks, Don..very interesting. Looks like a 4.5 here. The panels are at about 45 degrees, facing North.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on April 12, 2007, 07:14:12 AM
The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them.  Patrick Henry
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on April 12, 2007, 09:18:44 AM
Good one! True too!
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: fourx on April 13, 2007, 04:37:02 AM
"The instinct of nearly all societies is to lock up anybody who is truly free. First, society begins by trying to beat you up. If this fails, they try to poison you. If this fails , they finish by loading honors on your head."
- Jean Cocteau .
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on April 13, 2007, 07:14:38 PM
Being "over the hill" is much better than being under it!
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on April 18, 2007, 05:12:18 PM
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Every day, each of Earth’s 6 billion inhabitants uses this much wood – about four pounds on average. But the average American uses 3.5 times as much. Should America use less wood? Steel, aluminum and concrete are touted as substitutes whose use will help “save forests.” But wood is the only resource on Earth that is renewable, recyclable and biodegradable. What’s more, the only energy needed to grow wood fiber is the free, non-polluting energy of the sun. Most of the energy consumed in the manufacture of steel, aluminum and concrete comes from fossil fuel – petroleum. And when fossil fuel burns, it releases carbon dioxide, the compound most often linked to global warming. But growing trees remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, adding oxygen to the air we breathe. Moreover, about half the dry weight of wood is carbon - meaning that the carbon dioxide trees absorb from the atmosphere becomes part of the wood we use. The formula describing this miraculous exchange is beautiful in its simplicity: to produce one pound of wood, a tree takes in  1.47 pounds of carbon dioxide and returns 1.07 pounds of oxygen to the air we breathe. As our civilization searches for ways to contain its insatiable appetite for Earth’s raw materials, these questions beg for answers: Where will we get our daily wood and why are we unnecessarily using products that pollute the air we breathe?    

 :-?
from  http://www.evergreenmagazine.com/index2.html
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Amanda_931 on April 18, 2007, 05:29:33 PM
Does that analysis hold up?

Rumor hath it around here--I think I first heard it from a neighbor who has since clear-cut his property--that the loblolly pines grown for timber deplete the soil into non-production after two generations of (overcrowded) timber production.

A heck of a lot of the rest of the world's use of wood is for fuel for cooking.  

Does it count for "use" when the forests are being cut for cattle ranches and ethanol production?

A goodly proportion of ours is for McMansions.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on April 18, 2007, 06:35:14 PM
That is about 2.33 50000 lb.  log truck loads for a 80 year life span for the world -- or 8.155 for an American

I think I used about half of mine here - but they were considered weeds - to let the other trees grow bigger. :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on April 20, 2007, 03:26:27 AM
Never argue with an idiot. First he will bring you down to his level and then beat you with his experience.

— Actor John Abraham quoting his father in an interview
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: jraabe on April 20, 2007, 08:23:52 AM
MountainDon has a good point about wood being one of the few truly renewable building materials.

While there are areas of the world (the Amazon basin and around cities) where trees are being taken out and not being replaced, there are other vast areas of the planet where trees are growing in abundance (Canada and much of the US). I don't have the data here but I think there are now more trees in North America than there were 100 years ago. We aren't running out of wood that's for sure. But, like water (which we are not running out of either) there can be local supply concerns and natural and man made problems that require adjustments to be made.

From a big picture perspective, building with wood is a bit like the old Yiddish joke about the business of prostitution, "Such a business! You got it. You sell it. You still got it!"

Albeit, there is more of a time lag in the timber business. :D
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: fourx on April 20, 2007, 09:25:25 AM
...and, as far as shapes and sizes goes, far more variety.
A significant proportion of Australia's rural workforce is unemployed and many small logging communities which were home to generations of timber-getters deserted because of the locking up of state and federal forests in the name of misguided conservation. This is particularly noticable in my area, which was the source for much of the hardwood used in housing construction- and for much of the cedar used in fine furniture worldwide before that. This has left vast tracts of highly inflammable second-growth and degraded timber standing wasted -as a firestorm waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on April 20, 2007, 09:35:25 AM
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From a big picture perspective, building with wood is a bit like the old Yiddish joke about the business of prostitution, "Such a business! You got it. You sell it. You still got it!"

LOL!

John is correct, we in the US and Canada have more tress than 100 years ago. And yes, they are smaller trees than old growth, but they are still tress and are being managed with some degree of effectiveness.

Parts of the US and Canada are also faced with the same problems as Pete pointed out in his post. What really galls me is when misguided environmentalists use the courts to slow down, stall, and sometimes stop necessary cleanup operations.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: fourx on April 20, 2007, 09:56:00 AM
In a refreshing change here a large timber company, Gunns, is now in the process of sueing individual enviromentalists in Tasmania ( ..and note there is a mental and a mania in those two words, for good reason) for disrupting it's legitimate timber-getting operations.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on April 20, 2007, 11:04:26 AM
When I think of Australia having logging operations -- I have to wonder-- how do the trees grow upside down like that :-?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: fourx on April 20, 2007, 10:17:04 PM
 :)...so, Glenn, you want to know about our toilets..?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on April 20, 2007, 10:21:43 PM
I for one am not sure that I do. I'm researching outhouses, privies, and have grave concerns about them downunder.  :o

Good news is that NM has regulations I can live with.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on April 20, 2007, 10:26:26 PM
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:)...so, Glenn, you want to know about our toilets..?

I'm afraid to ask Pete. :-?

It's not like we have to flush so you'll have water is it? :-/
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on April 20, 2007, 10:27:19 PM
Hmmm. I see that it's early evening tomorrow downunder. What's my day going to be like, Pete?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: fourx on April 20, 2007, 10:39:15 PM
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:)...so, Glenn, you want to know about our toilets..?

I'm afraid to ask Pete. :-?

It's not like we have to flush so you'll have water is it? :-/

 ;D Given the state of our politics and who seems to be directing it, you may be onto something..

Don, it's Saturday night here, and I can promise you it's going to be great, if I have anything to do with it....the occasional thumping of a passing kangaroo or two, a scent of gumleaves in the air, and the cresent moon ( upside down, of course) as a gentle reminder of our Muslim friends, all ninety million of them, looking down from the north....
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on April 20, 2007, 10:55:03 PM
I think you are onto something, there, Pete.  If it's up to our pollys none of us will have water, and if it wasn't for them and their policies, most of our Muslim friends would have no ill will toward us.  

For those of you who are of the notion that they are out to get us - read Riverbend's blog about helping her Christian friend to get out of the country because it is no longer safe.  It was safe before we invaded and occupied their country - they Sunni's , Shiites, and Christians all tolerated each other and many were friends.  

Attack  a sovereign nation - kill their civilians, friends, moms, dads, children brothers, sisters in the name of a war on terror, wmd's, freedom and democracy and --yeah -- it stands to reason that they may not love us as much as they used to -- and may even try to defend themselves by attacking back with whatever they have.

Topic drift but still a thought for the day.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: fourx on April 20, 2007, 11:07:23 PM
I find Muslims, the SE Asian variety at least, easy people to get along with, and I have never had a Muslim knock on my door and try to convert me- had plenty of Mormons and Jahaovha's Witnesses do that, though.
I guess just like you get a Jim Jones and a vat of poisoned Kool-Aid, you will get a fruitcake Muslim ready to wipe out the unbeliever. The scary thing is that they both think they know what's good for you.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on April 20, 2007, 11:21:47 PM
I was pretty much against the muslims -- not hateful - just not caring for them particularly as a religious group, until the "Christians" jumped in bed with Bush.  Hot and cold running Christians in the Whitehouse defiling themselves with the political whores turned the tables for me.

I started reading Riverbend's blog - http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/  Baghdad Burning - after Rummy's Awe Shucks --I mean shock and awe.   I could see that we were criminals if we condoned what they are doing in the name of Christianity and the United States.  I'll never be a Muslim and won't condone killing anyone, but I see that the people are just like us who are not defiled by politics and hypocritical religion.

BTW, Pete.  I was born into the JW's.  I guess I'm one of the few who make it out -- of course I went out the hard way.

As you may have noticed -- I won't grovel before men -- unless it's to my benefit. ;D

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on May 19, 2007, 07:53:09 PM
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Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 19, 2007, 08:22:49 PM
Many good thoughts there, Don. :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: benevolance on May 21, 2007, 09:50:54 PM
Don

Wood is a great resource...But there are so many ways it is being wasted...For Example....

Paper!
It is economically viable to grow Hemp fields for commercial paper farms...The non dope smoking toxic hemp :-/....Trees need not be cut down for paper...And if we found other ways to produce paper that did not require the cutting of trees we would have twice as much lumber available

Power, Heat

As much as we like the wood stove...many nations use wood for power generation and it is wasteful... Our forests cannot stand up to being used for these types of endeavors...Not when there are 6.5 billion people on the planet.

So yes it is a great resource and completely reusable...It will replenish itself...But we need to take a little better care of the world's forests and make sure that we use the trees that we do cut for important things. So that the trees we do have can provide us with lumber...etc... indefinately.

Concrete, brick are both Green building materials...We have endless clay, sand....Limestone and Gypsum on the planet....Brick and Concrete are tough last hundreds of years are easy to work with and cheap.... The whole world should as a result use a lot more of these materials when building.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 21, 2007, 10:05:52 PM
Many green people do not consider concrete green -- way too much embodied energy.

As far as wood use -- I have way more than I could ever burn if I only take care of my trees as they should be taken care of.  I could also build with them without doing anything but improving their quality of life -- it tree have one of those.  Sound forest management includes cutting enough to prevent overcrowding  and to help prevent forest fires.  We don't have to worry about most of the people in the world using too much of our trees because they can't get to them and they have used all of theirs anyway. :-/ :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Amanda_931 on May 27, 2007, 01:44:45 PM
Cob--unfired clay/sand/straw--it can be made without any concrete, there are houses in Great Britain and New Zealand (not exactly the driest places on earth) hundreds of years old made that way.  It's probably one of the lowest embodied (in terms of natural resources) energy forms of building around.  Adobe is similar, made a bit differently.

But if you're doing it all by yourself, it's a lot of work.

The original Native Americans (and there may have been many times the number we thought there were--some of the European diseases preceded Europeans) did a lot of working their land, I'm told.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on May 28, 2007, 04:46:18 AM
and a thought for the day -- I found this on another news forum.

The only clear thinking Americans????
by BERNIE on 27.05.2007 [12:34 ]
      
The American Indian, I believe has given the name "walking eagle"
to all the USA presidential candidates.

For those who do not know. "walking eagle" is an eagle so full of sh*t
that it can't fly.

(I have to say that Ron Paul is an exception  to this statement, but other than him it seems true for the most part).
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: fourx on May 28, 2007, 05:14:01 AM
I always get the mental image of him sitting on Chaney's knee, with Chaney's hand up his back...the guy sounds exactly like Maxwell Smart, that's the creepy thing...does he call Condo ""96"" when they are alone, I wonder?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on May 28, 2007, 05:32:18 AM
Actually, I think the puppet masters are even above Cheney although he is a number one evil influence.  


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Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on May 29, 2007, 05:48:50 AM
"The attempt to silence a man is the greatest honor you can bestow on him. It means that you recognize his superiority to yourself."  

                                                                                                                                                                                             ~ Joe Sobran
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on June 09, 2007, 06:37:06 PM
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Many green people do not consider concrete green -- way too much embodied energy.  As far as wood use -- I have way more than I could ever burn.....   :-/ :)
I don't know about the eastern forests much, but virtually all the western forests are in sad need of some real maintenance, ... not just putting out every fire that starts. It used to be that wildfires would sweep through every so often and clean up the natural state of dead or dying trees. This photo is reasonably typical of the state of the Jemez Mountains forests today. This area was logged in the 30's or 40's and nothing much done since then. No fires, no nothing. You can hardly walk through the woods without tripping or being in danger of tripping a "snag" and having it fall on you or somebody else. A lot of that wood on the ground will still make decent firewood, there's a lot of standing dead as can be seen. It takes a lot of time and effort to clean it up... or let a wildfire rip through.
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A disaster waiting to happen
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on June 09, 2007, 07:07:39 PM
You are right, Don, but our criminals and greedy power mongers in office have made it a criminal act to attempt to clean it up without paying them a protection tax of one kind or another.  My dad was fined for removing a dead log for firewood, that was slightly over the line on property logged next to his - in fact they illegally logged part of his.  

The local criminal forest ranger even asked to cross my dad's property to inspect the log then fine him.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on June 09, 2007, 07:34:24 PM
Wow! The politics of it all must vary from location to location, state to state, or something. Here the forestry people are all too glad to have any landowner cleanup the deadfall and standing dead and do whatever else is necessary to reduce the fire danger. And no fees involved either.   :)  
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on June 09, 2007, 07:46:13 PM
I guess even under similar rules you can have your crooked little power mongers who with an accomplice in the justice department, and they can pull in a tidy little sum to show the public just how valuable they are. ::)

Oregon is a police state anyway.  One good cop I knew there had to quit as he couldn't stand the corruption -- it wasn't his style.  He was a good neighbor.

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on June 09, 2007, 07:51:10 PM
The local forest supervisor is a good down to earth man, not a typical bureaucrat. He's a hands on landowner, one of my neighbors.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: peg_688 on June 09, 2007, 09:21:43 PM
Yanno up here at the tree hugger school I attended some years back with the grandkids 5th grade class , they leave down trees in these forest up here , they callum nurse logs , the new lil tres grow right outta the downed tree , so ain a old growth forest , a Fir forest downed trees are part of the deal and trees tend to grown in lines as they follow the nurse log .

 Also all the trees play a part the vine maples provide shade , the cedars are next and then the Firs come thru last and  have thick bark at the base to protect them selve from fire , a real wraped up eco system all in all.  

 Some of that is backwards and other types of trees are in the mix , just what I remember , sort of of the cuff.  
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on June 09, 2007, 10:21:42 PM
We're leaving some downed trees on the lower south slopes. They'll also act as water brakes or whatever you'd call them, to prevent erosion. These mountains have too many small tress as a rule. I've seen areas where the FS has gone thru and in a 10' x 10 area cut 100 small, 1 to 3" saplings out. The one thing I don't want on my land are standing dead, I've already almost been in the wrong place at the wrong time on a windy day. Branch missed my head, but hit the corner of my eye glasses hard enough to bend the flexy frames past there flex point. They didn't break but sure weren't wearable. Cool thing was the optomotrist tech was able to apply some magic and straighten them.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Amanda_931 on June 19, 2007, 02:53:02 PM
Big difference between the PNW temperate rain forest where you find--and need--the nurse logs. and the mountains of the Southwest with pines.

Or here (and where I grew up in North Carolina) with planted monoculture loblolly pines.  
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on June 28, 2007, 08:03:39 PM
Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in beer.
-Dave Barry

and

Without question, the greatest invention in the history of mankind is beer. Oh, I grant you that the wheel was also a fine invention, but the wheel does not go nearly as well with pizza.
-Dave Barry
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 03, 2007, 05:38:37 AM
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Believing that we have a government and that somehow it can be resurrected and made to work for us is not only delusional, but makes the believer of the illusion part of the very problem she/he purports to solve.



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Collapse, sudden or gradual, is upon us. It’s Independence Day, and we have no government.

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Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: John_C on July 03, 2007, 06:39:52 AM
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Without question, the greatest invention in the history of mankind is beer. Oh, I grant you that the wheel was also a fine invention, but the wheel does not go nearly as well with pizza.
-Dave Barry

This was recently sent to me.  Seems appropriate here...

A Short History Of Beer And The Wheel

Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

1. Liberals
2. Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.

Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girliemen.

Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.

Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.

Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef welldone. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.

Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are engineers, IT persons, big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.

Here ends today's lesson in world history. It should be noted that a Liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it. A Conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers and to more liberals just to tick them off.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 03, 2007, 04:06:41 PM
Wow -- glad I'm an anarchist. :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on July 03, 2007, 04:35:26 PM
[Colin Powell] - "Finding the Russian scientists may be a problem being that Russia does not have a Social Security System, as here in America, that allows us to MONITOR, TRACK DOWN and CAPTURE an American citizen."

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Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: PEG688 on July 03, 2007, 09:02:34 PM
All this thinkin makin me tired , Gad nite ;D
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 03, 2007, 09:09:21 PM
Rough thoughts there for the day.  :-/
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on July 05, 2007, 07:06:01 AM
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." --Marcus Tullius Cicero 42B.C.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on July 05, 2007, 06:55:10 PM
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A Short History Of Beer And The Wheel
That was a good one John C    ;D
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 10, 2007, 05:08:56 AM
Garden tip from About.com

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Traditional wisdom says harvest your corn the day before the raccoons do.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: PEG688 on July 10, 2007, 05:42:52 AM
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Traditional wisdom says harvest your corn the day before the raccoons do.


 Or have a great coon hound called Smoke  ;)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 10, 2007, 05:51:06 AM
I could many times use one of those, PEG. :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on July 25, 2007, 09:56:51 AM
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"When you're stupid, it's for a long time."  
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on July 26, 2007, 07:18:25 AM
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."
-- Thomas Jefferson
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on July 26, 2007, 05:20:04 PM
Our third President, Jefferson was probably the greatest advocate of liberty this country has ever had.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on August 14, 2007, 04:55:29 PM
Why do you have to "put your two cents in".. but it's only a "penny for your thoughts"? Where's that extra penny going to?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: fourx on August 14, 2007, 09:51:56 PM
"" my two bob's worth"" it used to be here, per-decimal currancy. Two bob was two shillings. As for where the penny went, ""spend a penny"" was a polite term for a trip to the toilet- public toilet stalls had a door which needed a penny dropped in the slot to unlock it....A penny for your thoughts in that context gives a whole new meaning to Rodins The Thinker statue :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on August 18, 2007, 07:27:19 AM
"They (who) seek to establish systems of government based on the regimentation of all human beings by a handful of individual rulers call this a new (world) order. It is not new and it is not order."
                                                                                                            ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: williet on August 18, 2007, 03:06:39 PM
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Our third President, Jefferson was probably the greatest advocate of liberty this country has ever had.


Learned from his mentor...Ben Franklin. The two formed our government.

To bad the nation seems to have forgotten their message
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on September 12, 2007, 11:08:40 AM
"If a nation expects to be ignorant & free... it expects what never was & never will be..."  Thomas Jefferson

"It is error only, not truth, that shrinks from inquiry...."  Thomas Paine

"Those that would give up their liberties in exchange for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security..."  Benjamin Franklin

"If tyranny & oppression come to this land it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy..."  James Madison
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on September 14, 2007, 06:11:24 AM
Another thought for the day...
Use It Or Lose It

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/09/speak-out.html

First they tortured a U.S. citizen and gang member ...
I remained silent;
I wasn't a criminal

Then they tortured a U.S. citizen, whistleblower and navy veteran ...
I remained silent;
I wasn't a whistleblower

Then they locked up an attorney for representing accused criminals ...
I remained silent;
I wasn't a defense attorney

Then they arrested a young father walking with his son simply because he told Dick Cheney that he disagreed with his policies ...
I remained silent;
I've never talked to an important politician

Then they said an entertainer should be killed because she questioned 9/11 ...
I remained silent;
I wasn't an entertainer

Then they arrested people for demanding that Congress hold the President to the Constitution ...
I did not speak out;
I've never protested in Washington

Then they arrested a man for holding a sign ...
I did not speak out;
I've never held that kind of sign

Then they broke a minister's leg because he wanted to speak at a public event ...
I remained silent;
I wasn't a religious leader

When they came for me,
Everyone was silent;
there was no one left to speak out.

What's this poem saying? That we all have to stand up, speak out and take action NOW while we still can. If we do so, we will win the struggle for liberty. If we do not, freedom will die ... just like it did in Nazi Germany.

Inspired by the poem First They Came by Martin Niemöller, which was written about the Nazis.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: sparks on September 19, 2007, 04:00:56 PM
I started out with nothing. And one day took a look around, and realised I still had most of it.  
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on September 29, 2007, 06:23:38 AM
U.S. Secretary of Defense, William Cohen 1997

DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE

"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations and it’s real, and that’s the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts."

??? :o  so how far has our gov't advanced in these technologies in 10 years?

..."If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the state can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie ... The truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the state." --Joseph Goebbels, minister of propaganda in Nazi Germany, 1933-1945
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Amanda_931 on October 03, 2007, 05:05:37 PM
From Fool's Fate, part of an extremely long trilogy by Robin Hobb.

(Chade was not impressed by this.  But I rather think I am)


“And not only the world but humanity itself does need dragons.”

“And why is that?”  Chade demanded disdainfully.

“To keep the balance” the Fool replied….  “Humanity fears no rivals.  You have forgotten what it was to share the world with creatures as arrogantly superior as yourselves.  You think to arrange the world to your liking.  So you map the land and draw lines across it, claiming ownership simply because you can draw a picture of it.  The plants that grow and the beasts that rove, you mark as your own, claiming not only what lives today but what might grow tomorrow, to do with as you please.  Then, in your conceit and aggression, you wage wars and slay one another over the lines you have imagined on the world‘s face.”

“And I suppose dragons are better because they don’t do such things….”

“No.  Dragons are no better than humans.  They are little different at all from men.  They will hold up a mirror to humanity’s selfishness.  They will remind you that all your talk of owning this and claiming that is no more than the snarling of a chained dog or a sparrow’s challenge song.  The reality of the claims lasts but for the instant of its sounding.  Name it as you will, claim it as you will, the world does not belong to men.  Men belong to the world.  You will not own the earth that eventually your body will become, not will it recall the name it once answered to.”
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on October 03, 2007, 05:10:53 PM
Good one, Amanda.  

If everyone could agree to that it would be the best way for sure....but greed and the lust for power prevent that I guess.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Amanda_931 on October 03, 2007, 05:58:09 PM
I was mildly surprised and pleased to find that "we need them for balance" worked when I ran into someone who was wondering why the Lord made I think it chiggers and snakes.

Oh, he said, as if this was a new and maybe important idea.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on October 04, 2007, 06:46:35 AM
Harry51 sent me this story...

How to catch wild pigs!

There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some Exchange students in the class.
One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back And stretching as if his back hurt.

 The professor asked the young man what was the matter.  The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back.  He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question.  He asked,'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?' The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.

 The young man said this was no joke.  'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground.  The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn.  When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming.  When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence.  They get used to that and start to eat again.  You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side.  The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.  Suddenly, the wild pigs have lost their freedom.  They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught.
Soon they go back to eating the free corn.  They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America.
The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/Socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc.  while we continually lose our freedoms- just a little at a time.

 One should always remember 'There is no such thing as a free Lunch!' Also, 'You can never hire someone to provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself.

 Also, if you see that all of this wonderful government 'help' is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America, you might want to send this on to your friends.  If you think the free ride is essential to your way of life then you will probably delete this email, but God help you when the gate slams shut!
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on October 04, 2007, 08:23:23 AM
Amen, Sassy. I can't think of a thing to add.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on October 04, 2007, 01:01:58 PM
Well, I actually did.... though it's a quote, not my own thought...   but I agree   :)

"America's abundance was created not by public sacrifices to 'the common good,' but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did not starve the people to pay for America's industrialization. They gave the people better jobs, higher wages and cheaper goods with every new machine they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance -- and thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering, every step of the way." [Ayn Rand]
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on October 04, 2007, 01:34:36 PM
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."

Alexander Tyler, writing about the fall of the Athenian Republic

Where is the USA?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on October 05, 2007, 08:23:54 AM
Great quote & so true - I'd read it somewhere in the past...  is that human nature?  
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on October 09, 2007, 08:00:20 PM
If you have a problem with things fitting correctly always remember this,

Don't force it...   get a bigger hammer. :-/
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn-k on October 10, 2007, 07:42:07 AM
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Self sufficiency is the most POWERFUL weapon of all. That's why your governments conspire to take it away from you in any way they can.

Syrian
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on October 13, 2007, 08:00:44 PM
Things get wet,­ let them dry.

The drying potential of an assembly decreases with the level of insulation and increases with the rate of air flow.

As such, energy conservation has the potential to destroy more buildings than architects.

http://www.buildingscienceconsulting.com/topten/wood.htm
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: StinkerBell on October 15, 2007, 11:36:53 AM
My Thought For Today.



Never let a dragon fly build a nest in your underwear.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on October 15, 2007, 11:54:26 AM
That's sage advice Stink... but what made you think of it??
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: StinkerBell on October 15, 2007, 02:22:09 PM
Well it being a building forum, and a dragon fly wanting to build a nest. Seemed logical to me.  ;)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 15, 2007, 05:42:20 PM
Won't happen to me, Stink.  I keep them fumigated especially to prevent dragon fly nests. ::)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: StinkerBell on October 15, 2007, 06:15:50 PM
Just admit it Glen, I intrigue you.............. :P







Hog says I scare you and thats why you keep a close watch.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 15, 2007, 07:19:09 PM
Yeah -- I'm trying to figure out -- what makes that woman tick, but alas,  I'm sure it is impossible for me -- after all, I am just a lowly guy you know. :-/

Stink, I am afraid you think way too much like I do -- sometimes even surpassing me. :-?

What is it... that can cause another mind -- even a female one at that...   to be damaged as much as mine :-? :o

I'm afraid sometimes that you may be a tough act to follow --- yes --- you may upstage even my weirdness.  Maybe Hog is right.  What will she do next :-?  

I actually commented to Sassy that you may be outdoing me, not over an hour ago. :-/ ;D

Note that I also enjoy your comments as they seem to be slightly off to the side of the mainstream. ::) ;D
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 15, 2007, 08:02:09 PM
Hey Stink -- did you have enough for dinner?

(https://countryplans.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi35.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fd184%2Fglennkangiser%2Fstinkerbell.jpg&hash=f2128eb94be65561399166e782e615f6)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: StinkerBell on October 16, 2007, 07:47:27 AM
lol

It took me 3 to 4 looks at the thread to get it. A lovely DUH moment for me.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 16, 2007, 06:34:53 PM
That's great ;D

You are a hard one to stay ahead of. :)

I enjoyed your last thought, Stink.  I hope you have another one someday. :-/
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: StinkerBell on October 17, 2007, 09:49:55 AM
Yes I do, the same one I use every time I open and read my fortune cookie.




"Eat Many Prunes, Sit on Toilet Many Moons"
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 18, 2007, 06:02:02 AM
Another gem, Stink, and true too. :)

How about --- If a frog wouldn't jump so much, He wouldn't bump his rump so much. :-?

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: StinkerBell on October 18, 2007, 12:40:08 PM
glen,


Are you a smart fellar or a fart smellar?







LOL! ;D
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 18, 2007, 09:56:19 PM
Stink -- you are just such an ornery little rascal. ::)  We must not talk about my intestinal indescretions and idiosyncrasies  -- I'll never tell. :-/ :)

Lets have a cow thought for the day. :)

Did you know,

Quote
Cows burp an abundant supply of it (methane) every day [ch8212] about 280 liters per animal (in other words, the average cow could fill 140 two-liter soda bottles with gas daily

http://www.riverdeep.net/current/2002/03/032502t_cowpower.jhtml




Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: StinkerBell on October 19, 2007, 06:02:26 AM
If we could only harness that gas for our cars  ;)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 20, 2007, 05:32:22 AM
 “Far better to be stricken with bitter pain and frustration from failure than to be a poor soul without imagination and afraid to explore.”

Mahatma Gandhi
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 20, 2007, 07:13:58 AM
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Some people are like slinkies...not really good for anything, but seeing one tumble down the stairs makes you smile!

zulusafari -DTR
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 22, 2007, 09:32:46 PM
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 02, 2007, 06:10:59 AM
Quote of the day:  If we let people see that kind of thing, there would never again be any war. ~ Pentagon official explaining why the U.S. military censored graphic footage from the Gulf War
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 03, 2007, 05:20:53 AM
All things come round to him who will but wait.—Longfellow
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: StinkerBell on November 03, 2007, 05:54:32 AM
I have yet another thought for the day!








Where ever you are, thats where your at.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 03, 2007, 10:59:39 AM
I love it when you come up with stuff like that, Stink.  ::)

I'm afraid I may have misunderestimated* your brilliance. :-/



*Proper English from the GWB presidential lexicon.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: StinkerBell on November 05, 2007, 11:32:32 AM
Never go to bed early to save on the cost of candles if the result is twins.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Homegrown Tomatoes on November 05, 2007, 11:42:29 AM
If one of something is good, aren't two better? ::)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on November 05, 2007, 12:58:18 PM
No, no no, not always. No.  :o

IMO   ;D
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 05, 2007, 07:53:30 PM
Ladies, ladies, ladies-- you have left me speechless. ;D

That would be one of those should have stayed up things, I guess, Stink -- but how would you know if you couldn't foresee the future? :-?

...and Homegrown... Maybe 3 is even better? :)

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Homegrown Tomatoes on November 05, 2007, 08:00:43 PM
I don't know... I think the doctor was listening around for more than one heartbeat today.  She found the baby and then moved over to the other side with the doppler and listened again to the heartbeat in a totally different location, and then announced that she was going to move up the date for my ultrasound to next month.  She didn't say anything about twins, but I thought it was strange.   :-?

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 05, 2007, 08:07:43 PM
What ever happened to the good ol' days when you never knew what it was until it popped out, and the baby actually got to decide what day or night and hour it was going to be born-- not just before or after the doctor's golf match. ;D

Probably not in your case, Homegrown  - I was just thinking in general. :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Homegrown Tomatoes on November 05, 2007, 08:17:04 PM
Ha ha... those doctors are smart... hey, they went through a lot of school for that... of course they've figured out a way to try to control and time labor to fit in with their schedules.  With the first two, my doc had a lot to do with when they were born, but thankfully she had no control over the first one arriving on Christmas Eve. Unfortunately, with the second, she induced when I think she shouldn't have... I don't think I'll ever give over control that easily again because it was miserable.  This time I'll probably go with a midwife if I can find one after we move...they're less likely to do all that unecessary stuff.  
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 05, 2007, 08:25:10 PM
I believe that when it is ready it will come out. 8-)

Kinda like the timer on a pop up toaster.   ::)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on November 09, 2007, 07:22:51 AM
"Suppose you were an idiot. Now suppose you were a member of congress…. but then I repeat myself."

Mark Twain
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Homegrown Tomatoes on November 09, 2007, 09:21:23 AM
Good one, Sassy! :D

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 11, 2007, 07:19:36 PM
A patriot supports his country all the time, and his government when it deserves it.

Mark Twain
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 04, 2007, 01:11:21 PM
Glenn and anyone else interested.  I ran across this the other day and thought it was a pretty good reference to what products are actually made in the USA.  If you have seen it before you are one step ahead of me.  Not real sure where to post it but it could be related to "thought for today"




http://www.iam751.org/jobs/unionstores.htm

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 04, 2007, 05:05:25 PM
You are right on that.  It would be nice to be able to buy American all of the time but with Corporate America selling us down the river by sending our jobs overseas, many times the only choice is to buy the imported stuff.

I'm a bit sympathetic with Unions and again not.  They got some of the wages up, but they also have made it so jobs for public agencies cost 10 times as much - Yeah -- I charge the price on prevailing wage jobs, but it comes back to bite every taxpayer. 

They don't like me because I am self-employed -- and owner operator and I can and do take jobs from them -- for a price similar to theirs - sometimes more -- but they love to file complaints against me or anything they can do to keep me from making a living...but I am an American -doing an American job and making things in America.  Note that I never have customer complaints.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 04, 2007, 05:24:36 PM
Glenn the current "toy" problem is just a prime example of what happens when the companies send their production overseas.  What ever they made in that decision was just lost in the recall and loss of public trust in their company.  But the goverment is partly to blame with creating an atmosphere to where a company has to find a cheaper way to stay in buisness. Workmans Comp and the like.

 But really gets under my skin is the CEO's.  There is not one person that is worth the amount of salaries and bonus's that they are getting.  When Exxon came out and stated that there multi-billion dollar profit for a quarter(Just 3 months) I quit using exxon.  Then Chalvez who owns CITGO said what he did about USA and in the same breath imports 25% of his gas to us I quit buying Citgo gas.  Do you know anyone who has a good used horse for sale. If I keep going that is what I will need.  Because if the truth is known they are all probably the same.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 04, 2007, 07:57:57 PM
Not sure but I think one guy owns them all -- nearly every company has combined with one or the others or swapped with others on my credit cards in the last 5 or so years.  There is no escape if you want to use oil and gas.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on December 04, 2007, 09:24:09 PM
Why is it I sometimes feel compelled to open my mouth when I know I should remain silent.  d* d* But as an owner of past and present businesses, I can not.  :P

I don't like paying high prices for things, any things, I buy, just like everyone. Had to say that.

No matter what the business is one should never think of the profits in absolute numbers of dollars, but rather one should think of the profit margin. That is how much the company makes on every dollar of sales. That's important because the actual number of dollars of profit can increase, while the actual rate of return decreases. That's not a good position to be in. Why you ask? (It's like working harder and getting paid less.)

Let's consider Exxon Mobil, McDonald's and Coca-Cola. These are all big companies, all traded on the stock market. When you look at some recent figures, Exxon Mobil made about 9.8 cents on every dollar of sales, a profit margin of 9.8%. McDonald's made 13.8 cents per dollar, a margin of 13.8%. Coca-Cola earned 21.2 cents or a whopping margin of 21.2%.  You should be outraged that Coke is getting rich every time you buy flavored sugar water. But you're not. You don't hear about their profits because the overall dollar amounts are low compared to Exxon Mobil. Exxon Mobil's profit in dollars terms is so high because price is high and we use a lot of their product.

As the margin a company makes goes up the dividends paid to the stockholders go up as well. If you have money to invest where would you put it, given the above figures? Coca-Cola would be my choice as the best investment of the three, based solely upon performance. You the investor stands a better chance of getting a greater return on your money. Even folks who don't invest in company stocks directly, using mutual funds instead (to spread their risk out) will want their mutual fund managers to make the best money they can for their dollars. Buy coke, not gas, maybe Big Macs.

So if the government was to place price controls on the profits any company can earn, that companies profit margin is almost guaranteed to go down. That'll cut returns on investment even more. Investors will be pi$$ed and sell their shares. The company could go down the tubes. Who knows what would happen then. The government take over the oil production, distribution and sales? I wouldn't want to go down that road.


Or, let's say I have a company making widgets, and the guy across town makes a competing widget. We both sell our widgets for $10.00. I make $3.00 for every widget I sell. That's 30% margin. I use slave labor in a third world country, employ illegal Mexicans here for my distribution and I pay no benefits at all. I sneak in cheap lead based paint at every opportunity. I use compulsory overtime. I sell 100,000 widgets and have a profit of 100,000 X $3 = $300,000.

My competitor makes an excellent widget. He uses American Union labor in a local factory. He pays for health insurance, offers a low cost company day care and offers free lunches for everybody in the factory. He only makes a profit of $0.50 on every widget. That's a margin of 5%. He sells 2,000,000 of his widgets. 2,000,000 X $0.50 = $1,000,000 profit. Is he a worse person than I because he makes more dollars than I?

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 04, 2007, 09:45:30 PM
I don't think so --in fact -- it looks like you may be the bad guy, Don. :)...but it appears that your competitor is not satisfied with the .50 he is making on his widgets when he looks at the $3.00 each you are making, so it appears he has just sent out termination notices to all of his union labor. 

Grown men are crying, wondering how they will ever feed their families when their whole life has been spent learning to be the best specilized widget maker in the United States.  Trouble is -- In order to keep up the CEO's 200 million dollar salary, they have had to farm out all of the widget makers jobs to India where they can do it for $.15 on the dollar.  This assures the CEO of his continuing massive salary, stockholders dividends and everybody is happy.  All except the blue collar worker who was layed off, is out of unemployment money because he can't find another job making widgets, and since he has never done anything else, his prospects are very grim.

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on December 04, 2007, 09:46:13 PM
Oh! CEO's do not, repeat, do not, deserve, nor earn those mega dollar salaries. It does especially gall me when a CEO is forced out due to mismanagement or even illegal activities, and is rewarded with the golden parachute millions.

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on December 04, 2007, 09:49:52 PM
Maybe I can get government aid to build a start up factory in the Sudan?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 04, 2007, 10:01:03 PM
Nothing is beyond believability, and there is a very cheap labor force.  Profits should be good.:)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 06, 2007, 10:06:07 PM
Themes from the book, Lord of The Flies,  William Golding 1954

    *  People will abuse power when it's not earned.
    * When given a chance, people often single out another to degrade to improve their own security.
    * You can only cover up inner savagery so long before it breaks out, given the right situation.
    * It's better to examine the consequences of a decision before you make it than to discover them afterward.
    * The fear of the unknown can be a powerful force, which can turn you to either insight or hysteria.

I read it in school -- thought about it today.

When will they rescue us from the island?hmm
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Homegrown Tomatoes on December 07, 2007, 12:44:30 PM
My thought for the day.... whoever wrote "Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow" must have been from the deep south and never had to shovel the stuff. :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 07, 2007, 04:48:56 PM
HT maybe you have been dreaming too much.   ;D " I'm dreaming of a white christmas"
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 08, 2007, 08:28:44 PM
“An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought,”

US President Abraham Lincoln’s Secretary of War during the Civil War, Simon Cameron
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 09, 2007, 09:38:10 AM
When I was growing up I lived next to a dairy farm run by an old german farmer. I helped daily and on weekends.  When it came time for lunch and supper sometimes I really wasn't that hungry and would make the comment that I wasn't that hungry. His reply " You do not eat because you are hungry you eat to keep from getting hungry"
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 09, 2007, 07:49:01 PM
A good bit of wisdom there.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on December 10, 2007, 08:17:57 AM
Garfield on the oil crisis
 
       
       A lot of folks can't understand how we came
       to have an oil shortage here in our country.
       ~~~
       Well, there's a very simple answer.
       ~~~
       Nobody bothered to check the oil.
       ~~~
       We just didn't know we were getting low.
       ~~~
       The reason for that is purely geographical .
       ~~~
       Our OIL is located in
       ~~~
       ALASKA
       ~~~
       California
       ~~~
       Coastal Florida
       ~~~
       Coastal Louisiana
       ~~~
       Kansas
       ~~~
       Oklahoma
       ~~~
       Pennsylvania
       and
       Texas
       ~~~
       Our
       DIPSTICKS
       are located in
       Washington , DC !!!
       Any Questions ???
       NO? I didn't Think So.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on December 10, 2007, 08:57:59 AM
"While communism is the control of business by government, fascism is the control of government by business."
Robert F Kennedy Jr
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 10, 2007, 03:57:38 PM
Sassy I like the dipstick one. rofl
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Drew on December 14, 2007, 08:44:57 AM
"The man who chops his own wood warms himself twice." - Source ???.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Homegrown Tomatoes on December 14, 2007, 09:16:56 AM
White men build big fires while natives build little ones.  White men get warm carrying wood.

Don't remember where I heard that, but it reminded me of the previous one.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on December 14, 2007, 11:03:09 AM
That's an oldie Homegrown.  :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 14, 2007, 08:47:48 PM
"The man who chops his own wood warms himself twice." - Source ???.

I was thinking Thoreau, but turns out it was Henry Ford, the inventor of charcoal briquets. http://www.cityofkingsford.com/history.html
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Drew on December 15, 2007, 01:00:59 PM
Wow.  Two Henry Ford references in a day.  The other one I enthusiastically brought forward was  "If money is your hope for independence you will never have it. The only real security that a man will have in this world is a reserve of knowledge, experience, and ability."

I think the ghosts of Mark Twain and Winston Churchill are going to get jealous.

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on December 15, 2007, 03:14:55 PM
Let's even it up a bit...

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Sir Winston Churchill

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried. - Sir Winston Churchill

Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more. - Mark Twain

Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. - Mark Twain
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on December 28, 2007, 10:30:03 AM
"The obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not to coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy & economic turmoil to our people."  Ron Paul
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 30, 2007, 05:18:36 PM
Something to ponder on:

*  The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth! *
** with the rut you have a 2nd. chance ... the grave... too late! ^i^ ^i^
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: sparks on January 01, 2008, 10:59:00 PM
I started out with nothing , had most of it for a while, and now they want it all back!
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 05, 2008, 06:08:27 PM
Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Drew on January 05, 2008, 08:45:41 PM
Nice, Red.  More tea?

"When all of your wishes have been granted, most of your dreams will be destroyed." - Marilyn Manson.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: tanya on January 06, 2008, 07:26:36 AM
I have two quotes posted on my computer.

"I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have.  I must stand with anybody that stands right, stand with him while he is right , and part with him when he goes wrong."  Abraham Lincoln

"Our greatest happiness in life does not depend on the condition of life in which chance has placed us, but is always the result of good conscience, good health, and freedom in all just pursuits."  Thomas Jefferson

Another thought is a daily horoscope I printed out by Holiday Horoscopes Seattle PI.

You're deciding who your true friends are.  Maybe this will help: A friend is somone who, when you've fallen behind will carry you-- not point out your mistakes while passing you by.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 08, 2008, 12:38:22 PM
“The few who can understand the system will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors, that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of the people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.” –Mayer Amschel Rothschild
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Diggin on January 11, 2008, 08:40:37 AM
Whew, good one!

Has anyone on here read Buckminster Fuller's Grunge of Giants?  Mr. Fuller wrote some very interesting works shortly before his death (I think 1982).  Grunge of Giants is about corporations; 

Critical Path mentions all the Fortune 500 corporations moved out of the country on US dollars for so-called "foreign aid before (as I recall) 1950"  ...
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 13, 2008, 05:37:31 PM
A wise ole farmer once said

* Life is simpler when you plow around the stump.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 13, 2008, 06:56:19 PM
Whew, good one!

Has anyone on here read Buckminster Fuller's Grunge of Giants?  Mr. Fuller wrote some very interesting works shortly before his death (I think 1982).  Grunge of Giants is about corporations; 

Critical Path mentions all the Fortune 500 corporations moved out of the country on US dollars for so-called "foreign aid before (as I recall) 1950"  ...

I haven't read it, but I'm more of an article and research type of guy, than a whole book.  I read quite a few in HS while I was waiting for the rest of the students to finish learning the stuff I learned in 2nd grade though.  I was pretty bored, probably not a good student and definitely not a team player. [crz]
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 18, 2008, 04:54:31 AM
    * If you find yourself in a hole,
the first thing to do is stop diggin'. 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on January 19, 2008, 10:08:06 AM
"The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws." --Ayn Rand
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 20, 2008, 04:18:39 AM
Good judgment comes from experience, and a
lotta that comes from bad judgment.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Drew on January 23, 2008, 08:23:30 AM
"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king." - Unknown
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 24, 2008, 05:23:21 AM
If They Hate Us For Our Freedom, They Must Hate Us Less Now

 unknown

from here http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/13409
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 25, 2008, 05:31:41 AM
* The biggest troublemaker you'll probably ever
have to deal with, watches you from
the mirror every mornin'.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Drew on January 25, 2008, 08:30:46 AM
90% of what people say is about themselves.


Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 25, 2008, 08:49:38 AM
"It's all good."

Slick Willy
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 01, 2008, 06:05:33 AM
The clock of life is wound but once,
And no man has the power
To tell just when the hands will stop
At late or early hour.
Now is the only time you own.
Live, love, toil with a will.
Place no faith in time.
For the clock may soon be still.

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 01, 2008, 08:08:10 AM
Email From John (Redoverfarm)

This is too true to be very funny

The next time you hear a politician use the
word 'billion' in a casual manner, think about
whether you want the 'politicians' spending
YOUR tax money.
A billion is a difficult number to comprehend,
but one advertising agency did a good job of
putting that figure into some perspective in
one of its releases.

A. A billion seconds ago it was 1959.
B. A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.
C. A billion hours ago our ancestors were
    living in the Stone Age.
D. A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet.
E. A billion dollars ago was only 8 hours and
    20 minutes, at the rate our government is spending it.

While this thought is still fresh in our brain, let's take a look at New Orleans It's amazing what you can learn with some simple division . .

Louisiana Senator, Mary Landrieu (D), is presently asking the Congress for $250 BILLION to rebuild New Orleans.  Interesting number, what does it mean?

A. Well, if you are one of 484,674 residents of
     New Orleans (every man, woman, child), you
    each get $516,528.
B. Or, if you have one of the 188,251 homes in
      New Orleans , your home gets $1,329,787.
C. Or, if you are a family of four, your family
    gets $2,066,012.

Washington, D.C .. HELLO!!! ... Are all your calculators broken??

Tax his land,
Tax his wage,
Tax his bed in which he lays.
Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes are the rule.
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,
Tax his shirts,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he tries to think.

Tax his booze,
Tax his beers,
If he cries,
Tax his tears.

Tax his bills,
Tax his gas,
Tax his notes,
Tax his cash.
Tax him good and let him know
That after taxes, he has no dough.

If he hollers,
Tax him more,
Tax him until he's good and sore.

Tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in which he lays.
Put these words upon his tomb,
'Taxes drove me to my doom!'

And when he's gone,
We won't relax,
We'll still be after the inheritance TAX!!

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL License Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Perm it Tax
Gasoline Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax),
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax),
Liquor Tax,
Luxury Tax,
Marriage License Tax,
Medicare Tax,
Property Tax,
Real Estate Tax,
Service charge taxes,
Social Security Tax,
Road Usage Tax (Truckers),
Sales Taxes,
Recreational Vehicle Tax,
School Tax,
State Income Tax,
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA),
Telephone Federal Excise Tax,
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fe e Tax,
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax,
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax,
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax,
Telephone State and Local Tax,
Telephone Usage Charge Tax,
Utility Tax,
Vehicle License Registration Tax,
Vehicle Sales Tax,
Watercraft Registration Tax,
Well Permit Tax,
Workers Compensation Tax.

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago,
and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.   
We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

What happened?  Can you spell 'politicians!'
And I still have to press 1 for English.

I hope this goes around THE
USA at least 100 times

What happened?????


Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: ScottA on February 01, 2008, 08:45:38 AM
Man that's insane.  d*
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Drew on February 01, 2008, 10:36:09 AM
No kidding.

I'm looking into the requirements around the Schedule F:  How much of the work I'm doing now can I use to offset my taxes.   ???

The farmer is the original multidiciplinarian.  Botanist, meteorologist, carpenter, plumber, electrician, conservationist, marketer, accountant, vet.  The list goes on.

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on February 04, 2008, 12:14:18 PM
"Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
- Frederick Douglass
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Drew on February 06, 2008, 07:59:29 AM
"Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Mahatma Ghandi
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 06, 2008, 06:55:20 PM
 :)  Always Remember This:
You don't stop laughing because you grow old,
You grow old because you stop laughing
 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Drew on February 23, 2008, 02:56:58 PM
"Life is hard.  But it's a lot harder when you're stupid." - John Wayne
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: ScottA on February 26, 2008, 12:16:50 PM
Man created civilization to impress his girlfriend.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: sparks on February 28, 2008, 03:22:25 PM
Time is but the stream I go a-fishing in. I drink at it; but while I drink I see the sandy bottom and detect how shallow it is. Its thin current slides away, but eternity remains. I would drink deeper; fish in the sky, whose bottom is pebbly with stars..........  Henry David Thoreau
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on March 08, 2008, 07:03:22 PM
"It also gives us a very special, secret pleasure to see how unaware
the people around us are of what is really happening to them."
-- Adolf Hitler


"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders
of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple
matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or
no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and
exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Hermann Goering
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: gandalfthegrey on March 09, 2008, 06:52:38 AM
Peace is a friendly game.  The first one to put out his hand wins.  Gandalfthegrey,
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 22, 2008, 03:33:38 AM


Just a few thoughts to ponder for today

"More is missed by not looking than by not knowing"

Never Approach a Bull from the Front, A Horse from the Rear, Or a Fool from Any Direction

The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist
is that the taxidermist only takes the skin
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 25, 2008, 03:07:01 AM
  Never take life  seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on March 27, 2008, 08:37:47 PM
Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes
you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat
or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving
to the ball game.

-Andy Rooney


this could fit in multiple topics  8)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: tanya on April 04, 2008, 06:24:03 AM
The best definition of success I have seen.  I think it is my new motto.  I love it.

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." Sir Winston Churchill
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: gandalfthegrey on April 04, 2008, 06:52:40 AM
Most of the important things in the world have been accomplished by people who have kept on trying when there seemed to be no hope at all.  Dale Carnegie

Once you choose hope, anything's possible. Christopher Reeve This was the nicest man I ever met.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 04, 2008, 02:34:27 PM
The best definition of success I have seen.  I think it is my new motto.  I love it.

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." Sir Winston Churchill

With that said I would consider my life a success.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 02, 2008, 05:01:15 AM
Quote
How to use Your IRS Rebate check

As you may have heard, the Bush
Administration said each of us would get a
rebate check to stimulate the economy.

If we spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China. If we spend it on gasoline it will go to the Arabs. If we purchase a computer, it will go to India. If we purchase fruit and vegetables, it will go to Mexico, Honduras, and Guatemala. If we purchase a good car, it will go to Japan.

If we purchase useless stuff, it will go to Taiwan and none of it
will help the American economy.

We need to keep that money here in America. The only way to keep that money here at home is to spend it at yard sales, since those are the only businesses still in the U.S.

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/how-to-use-your-irs-rebate-check/
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 13, 2008, 01:11:13 PM
"When the legends die, the dreams end; there is no more greatness"

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 13, 2008, 05:14:55 PM
...but I'm not dead yet.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 13, 2008, 05:25:27 PM
The true source

  Tecumseh, Chief of the Shawnee
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on May 14, 2008, 07:38:00 AM
"The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is... legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay ... If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system."
-- Frederic Bastiat
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on May 15, 2008, 07:51:16 AM
Received a really nice video from a friend today - thought you might enjoy it, since you all make a difference in my life & others!

http://www.blueribbonmovie.com/
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 20, 2008, 02:05:24 PM
I've learned age is a very high price to pay for maturity
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on May 23, 2008, 07:27:13 PM
The early bird...  gets its own breakfast.

Forget the dog, beware of mean kids.



There's a cure for poor memory, but I forget what it is.   ;D

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 30, 2008, 07:47:35 PM
"The first step in a fascist movement is the combination under an energetic leader of a number of men who possess more than the average share of leisure, brutality, and stupidity.

The next step is to fascinate fools and muzzle the intelligent, by emotional excitement on the one hand and terrorism on the other. "

Bertrand Russell: Freedom, Harcourt Brace, 1940
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 04, 2008, 09:36:45 AM
 "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklin
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Heather on June 04, 2008, 05:12:05 PM
“Those who would transform a nation or the world cannot do so by breeding and captaining discontent or by demonstrating the reasonableness and desirability of the intended changes or by coercing people into a new way of life. They must know how to kindle and fan an extravagant hope. It matters not whether it be hope of a heavenly kingdom, of heaven on earth, of plunder and untold riches, of fabulous achievement or world dominion."

"A man is likely to mind his own business when it is worth minding. When it is not, he takes his mind off his own meaningless affairs by minding other people’s business”.


Eric Hoffer  Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: considerations on June 04, 2008, 07:33:29 PM
No goal, no path.

I made it up, and live by it.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 04, 2008, 07:51:50 PM
hmm You seemed more focused than that. :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: considerations on June 05, 2008, 04:02:56 AM
I guess it should say, "if you don't have a goal, then you don't have a path."  d*

I never tried to "publish" the thought before now.  Didn't convey it very well.   d*
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 05, 2008, 05:21:28 AM
How about if you don't have a goal you don't need a path? hmm

Goals, paths and schedules just mess me up.  Always causing me to try to keep up with my own or someone elses expectations.

They do work for getting things done sometimes though  If I can remember to look at my list or where I wrote it.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: considerations on June 05, 2008, 07:58:02 AM
How about if you don't have a goal you don't need a path? hmm

Goals, paths and schedules just mess me up.  Always causing me to try to keep up with my own or someone elses expectations.

They do work for getting things done sometimes though  If I can remember to look at my list or where I wrote it.

There are an infinite number of ways to spend the time we have.  There are certainly things in life we don't get to choose, and one just has to role with the punchs sometimes.  You are correct in that if one does not have a goal, no path is needed.  Nothing wrong with that.  It's just another way of being.   


 



Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 05, 2008, 11:28:47 AM
What's the saying about idle minds or hands.  Never can get it straight.  I am one that has to keep busy.  Nervous energy I guess.  I can't wait for the weekends to pass to get my hands and mind going again.  One day of R & R and I am fit to be tied.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: considerations on June 05, 2008, 11:59:34 AM
This is really fun.  I'm taking a brain break from work to reply to off topic threads. 

There are so many different personalities on this site.  Perspectives are all so different, makes it interesting. 

I work from home, so my weekends are one day of play, building the cabin and developing the property. 

The other day is driving to Sequim to take care of my mother's "honey do" list.  We get along really well and it is always nice to spend time with her, but always in the background is the cabin, calling me.....calling me......."Oooooooooo I'm not finished........ooooooo come finish me......." 

I've been accused of being "driven", oh well, I get things done.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 05, 2008, 12:12:34 PM
In essence I would say that I actually love working.  I also go to my parents to visit. Well you could call it that.  Since both are near or over 80 It is a project weekend.  Yes I visit and stay busy the whole time.  I think they really enjoy seeing be working on different things that need repaired , replaced or fixed.  And truely I wouldn't have it any other way.  If it makes them happy then I am happy.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 05, 2008, 09:18:46 PM
Considerations, I have friends who have an old log house in Sequim.  Clawsons.

Looks like off topics is the number 2 forum here after the general -- which is the real reason for the site, but the off topics keeps the engines running and ready to work when a problem comes for the general forum--- not to mention --expanding the gray matter.

How appropriate-- the number 2 forum. ::) d*
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 06, 2008, 04:48:12 PM
Be thankful for the transgressions of your ancestors.

That may be the only reason you are here.


glenn kangiser
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on June 07, 2008, 10:04:16 PM
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'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Heather on June 08, 2008, 04:33:30 PM
We had grasped the great truth that it was not rifles, not tanks, and not atom bombs that created power, nor upon them that power rested. Power depended upon public obedience, upon a willingness to submit. Therefore each individual who refused to submit to force reduced that force by one 250 millionth of its sum. ...

We weren't playing politics, we didn't compose programs for the liberation of the people, we didn't found unions. ... Our sole weapon was publicity. Not propaganda but publicity, so that no one could say afterward, "I didn't know." The rest depended on each individual's conscience. Neither did we expect victory -- there wasn't the slightest hope of achieving it. But each of us craved the right to say to our descendants: "I did all that I could. I never went against my conscience."

Vladimir Bukovsky, To Build a Castle - My Life as a Dissenter
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 18, 2008, 12:23:37 PM
Handle every stressful situation like a dog.

If you can't eat it or play with it,

piss on it and walk away.

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on June 20, 2008, 11:26:52 AM
"I'm not here to say that the government is always right, but when the government tells you to do something, I'm sure you would all agree that I think you all recognize that is something you need to do."

Kit Bonds - Dow Jones News Service
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: gandalfthegrey on June 20, 2008, 12:51:09 PM
  "Now I will tell you the answer to my question.  It is this.  The Party seeks power, entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested soley in power. We are different from all of the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing."

George Orwell 1984

 :o ??? :P
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on June 22, 2008, 07:32:29 AM
Harry51 sent me this - I'd read it before but worth repeating - WILD PIGS

 "There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so important, as living within your means."   Calvin Coolidge

There was a Chemistry  professor in a large college that  had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab, the Prof  noticed one young man (an exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt.

The professor asked the young man  what was the matter.  The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?'

The professor thought  it was a joke and asked for the punch  line.  The young  man said this was no joke.. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on  the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn.  When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of  the place where they are  used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn a gain and you put up another side of the fence.  They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last  side.   The pigs, which are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their  freedom.  They run around and around inside the fence, but they  are caught.  Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for  themselves, so they accept their  captivity.

The young man then told the professor that  is exactly  what he sees happening  to America . The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare,  medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms -  just a little at a time.

One should always remember: There is no such thing as a free Lunch! Also, a politician will never provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself.

Also, if you see that all of this wonderful government’s 'help' is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America, you  might want to  send this on to your friends. If you think the free ride is essential to your way of life then you will probably delete this email, but God help  you when the gate slams shut!

In this 'very important' election year, listen closely to what the candidates are promising you - just maybe you will be able to tell who is about to slam the gate on America.

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."

 -  Thomas Jefferson

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 22, 2008, 08:05:48 AM
Oh so true.  They are also responsible for the blinders that we wear.   Can't see what is on the side of the road only what is in front of us and what they want us to see.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: ScottA on June 22, 2008, 08:28:09 AM
Wise words Sassy. Good post.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Pox Eclipse on June 22, 2008, 08:16:26 PM
The young man then told the professor that  is exactly  what he sees happening  to America . The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare,  medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms -  just a little at a time.

It seems to me it was not the free corn that took away the pig's freedom, but the hidden intent by the hunter to erect a fence.  The moral of the story is beware of sneaky fence builders, not free corn.  Fence builders use all sorts of deceptions.  Wariness of free corn is no substitute for knowing your adversary. 

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 05, 2008, 03:41:08 AM
Segal's Law

"A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never sure."
   
   
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 06, 2008, 07:49:39 AM
 "A marriage is always made up of two people who are prepared to swear that only the other one snores."

Terry Pratchett
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: mvk on July 26, 2008, 02:37:08 AM

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
  C.S. Lewis

I had been looking been looking for this one for a while couldn't remember exactly how it went or who first said it. I just found it on another forum.

Mike
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: muldoon on July 27, 2008, 08:27:58 AM
I want to be the man my dog thinks I am. 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on August 19, 2008, 08:54:54 PM
"Now I know what a statesman is; he's a dead politician. We need more statesmen."

Bob Edwards
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on August 24, 2008, 06:05:03 AM

"A nation is a society united by delusions about its ancestry and by common hatred of its neighbors."

William Ralph Inge
from Quotes of the Day
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on August 24, 2008, 07:48:02 AM
George Washington was right when he said:

“Private property and freedom are inseparable.”

Private property, after all, begins with our physical person, extends to our thoughts, proceeds as our expression, becomes our action, and results in something we create or obtain. If an agent of force denies an individual the use of property, including land, that individual is also denied the liberty necessary to advance his or her own life. When the use of one’s property and one’s liberty has been squelched by big government, human life has been trampled.
  by Michael Shaw of "Liberty Gardens"
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Drew on August 27, 2008, 05:08:55 AM
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned." - Siddhartha Buddha
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on August 27, 2008, 08:01:59 PM
" In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together. "  Dwight D Eisenhower

for complete speech go to http://hubpages.com/hub/Dwight_Eisenhower_warned_about_the_Military-Industrial_Complex_1961
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on September 07, 2008, 06:40:42 PM
James Madison warned: “A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger have always been the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people.”
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Drew on September 08, 2008, 05:44:39 AM
"I wish there was a Strong-Tie that would keep my wallet in my pocket." - Drew
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 12, 2008, 12:23:54 PM
Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on September 17, 2008, 07:29:58 AM
Go Organic - Eat Wild Animals
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on September 24, 2008, 03:05:18 PM
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Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on September 26, 2008, 07:19:07 AM
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. He is not entitled to his own facts."

- Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: muldoon on September 26, 2008, 07:45:17 AM
Thomas Jefferson speaking on the first attempt to establish a central bank in America:

    "The system of banking is a blot left in all our Constitutions, which, if not covered, will end in their destruction. I sincerely believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity is but swindling futurity on a large scale."

    "The end of democracy, and the defeat of the American revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of the lending institutions and moneyed incorporations."

    "If the people ever allow the banks to issue their currency, the banks and corporations which will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property, until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

    "Paper is poverty... It is not money, but the ghost of money."

    "There is an artificial aristocracy, founded on birth and privelege, without virtue or talents... The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provisions should be made to prevent its ascendency."

    "The bank of the United States is one of the most deadly hostilities existing against the principles and form of our Constitution. I deem no government safe which is under the vassalage of any self-constituted authorities, or any other authority than that of the nation, or its regular functionaries. What an obstruction could not this bank of the United States, with all its branch banks, be in a time of war? It might dictate to us the peace we should accept, or it might withdraw its aid. Ought we then to give further growth to an institution so powerful, so hostile?"

 

James Madison speaking on the first attempt to establish a central bank in America:

    "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit and violent means possible, to maintain their control over governments, by controlling money and its issuance."

    "It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. We hold this prudent jealousy to be the first duty of citizens and one of the noblest characteristics of the late revolution. The free men of America did not wait until usurped power has strengthened itself by exercise and entangled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle."

 

Andrew Jackson speaking on the second attempt to establish a central bank in America:

    "If congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations."

    "I am one of those who do not believe that a national debt is a national blessing, but rather a curse to a republic, inasmuch as it is calculated to raise around the administration a monied aristocracy dangerous to the liberties of the country."

    President Jackson told the bankers "You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal god, I will rout you out!"

 

Abraham Lincoln speaking on the third attempt to establish a central bank in America:

    "The money powers prey on the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. The banking powers are more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. They denounce as public enemies all who question their methods or throw light upon their crimes.

    I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me, and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe. As a most undesirable consequence of the war, corporations have been enthroned, and an era of corruption in high places will follow. The money power will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed."

    "The government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be the master and become the servant of humanity."

    "Government, possessing the power to create and issue credit and currency as money, and enjoying the right to withdraw both currency and credit by taxation and otherwise, need not and should not borrow capital at interest as the means of financing governmental work and public enterprise."

    "The privelege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Government's greatest creative opportunity."

    "No duty is more imperative on the government than the duty it owes the people to furnish them with a sound and uniform currency, and of regulating the circulation of the medium of exchange so that labor will be protected from a vicious currency, and commerce will be facilitated by cheap and safe exchanges."

 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: muldoon on September 26, 2008, 07:45:48 AM


President Woodrow Wilson, after having broken campaign promises and betrayed his country by signing into law the Federal Reserve Act:

    "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country.

    A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation therefore, and all our activities, are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world. No longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

     

 

Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Congressional Record, June 15, 1934):

    "Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power. But the truth is, the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the government of the United States.

    It controls everything here; and it controls our foreign relations. It makes or breaks governments at will. No man, and no body of men, is more entrenched in power than the arrogant credit monopoly which operates the Federal Reserve Board and Federal Reserve Banks.

    These evil-doers have robbed the country of more than enough money to pay the national debt. What the National Government has permitted the Federal Reserve Board to steal from the people should now be returned to the people. The people have a valid claim against the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks. If that claim is enforced, Americans will not need to stand in bread lines. Homes will be saved. Families will be kept.

    What is needed here is a return to the Constitution of the United States. The old struggle that was fought out here in Jackson's day must be fought over again.

    The Federal Reserve Act should be repealed; and the Federal Reserve Banks -- having violated their charters -- should be liquidated immediately. Faithless government officers who have violated their oaths of office should be impeached and brought to trial.

    Unless this is done by us, I predict the American people -- outraged, robbed, pillaged, insulted, and betrayed as they are in their own land -- will rise in their wrath and send a President here who WILL sweep the money changers from the temple."
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on September 26, 2008, 08:46:40 AM
Is anybody listening?   ???  doesn't seem like the US citizen is taught these principles anymore...  so sad...  and tragic... 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: apaknad on September 26, 2008, 12:11:36 PM
it makes me sad to read this and see how far we have drifted from the original constitution and ideals from our wonderful forefathers intent for this nation. we are a shadow of our former selves. what are we leaving for our children?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on September 28, 2008, 11:18:54 AM
Brave New World: "A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned... to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors and schoolteachers." Aldous Huxley  http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/Brave2001.htm
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: ScottA on September 28, 2008, 11:45:13 AM
Some of us will never be slaves. The curse of being able to think is to know things one might want to forget.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on September 29, 2008, 10:12:36 PM
Sun Tzu's Art of War: Sell your enemy his own death while making him think it's a good idea.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: John Raabe on September 30, 2008, 05:41:55 AM
Here's a thought for the day. Consider using a small tax on the buying and selling of financial instruments - stocks, bonds, derivatives, etc. to fund this bailout. A .25% tax could raise $150B a year. This would also have the effect of slowing the frothy speculative transactions that now have a very low cost of execution. (Much like a small tax on email would reduce the no-cost spam we all endure.)

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/26

No one likes taxes but....

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: John_C on September 30, 2008, 06:24:06 AM
I am very much an anti tax kinda guy, but this is a good idea.

There is going to be some sort of bailout and it will cost somebody some money. This puts the burden in the right place and perhaps make the plan easier for the politicians to sell to the man on the street.  I'd like to see more ideas along those lines.

The best idea I've seen for reducing or eliminating spam goes like this.

It costs you 5¢ to send an email. 4¢ of that goes to the person to whom you are sending the email and 1¢ goes to your ISP to cover the costs of the program.  If you email me and I respond it has cost each of us 1¢.  For a spamster sending tens of thousands of emails / day the costs would be overwhelming.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: considerations on September 30, 2008, 08:11:32 PM
"It costs you 5¢ to send an email. 4¢ of that goes to the person to whom you are sending the email and 1¢ goes to your ISP to cover the costs of the program.  If you email me and I respond it has cost each of us 1¢.  For a spamster sending tens of thousands of emails / day the costs would be overwhelming."

A lot of these spamsters are in other countries, and using networks of highjacked personal computers, like yours and mine, to distribute.  The electronic trail is near impossible to backtrack beyond the highjacked computer.  Only once in a while do agencies from cooperating countries get these people tracked down and caught.

I'd love to see something like this work but there'd be a lot of innocent folk unwittingly caught in the middle, and potentially stuck with the bill.   :(
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on September 30, 2008, 08:17:31 PM
I agree. There is virtually no way to stop spam. What aggravates me is there must be enough folks with no brains out there who actually click on spam crap to make it worthwhile to the spammer to keep churning it out.

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on October 01, 2008, 12:43:36 PM
"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves . . . I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will rout you out!"

President Andrew Jackson
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 01, 2008, 12:55:28 PM
I like that one. :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 08, 2008, 08:14:19 PM
Boycott shampoo! Demand the REAL poo!
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 09, 2008, 02:14:01 PM
THERE ARE FOUR THINGS YOU CANNOT RECOVER


THE STONE... AFTER THE THROW

THE WORD ...AFTER IT IS SAID

THE OCCASSION ...AFTER THE LOSS

THE TIME ...AFTER IT IS GONE

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: muldoon on October 24, 2008, 04:49:55 AM
"Panics do not destroy capital; they merely reveal the extent to which it has been previously destroyed by its betrayal into hopelessly unproductive works"

John Stuart Mill - (20 May 1806 – 8 May 1873), British philosopher, political economist, civil servant and Member of Parliament

That quote is quite profound given today's environment and shows yet again there is no new thing under the sun. 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on October 31, 2008, 08:25:42 AM
Got this from a friend...  had a hard time deciding whether to put into the "thought for the day" or "humor"  ???  these quotes would be funny if they weren't so true...   d*



POLITICAL AXIOMS

Never more true than today!!!!


 

'If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.'

 -Mark Twain

Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress..... But then I repeat myself.

-Mark Twain

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.

-Winston Churchill

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.

- George Bernard Shaw

A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money.

-G. Gordon Liddy

Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

-James Bovard, Civil Libertarian (1994)

Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries.

-Douglas Casey,

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.

-P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian

Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.

-Frederic Bastiat, French Economist (1801-1850)

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

-Ronald Reagan (1986)

I don't make jokes... I just watch the government and report the facts.

-Will Rogers

If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free!

- P.J. O'Rourke

In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other.

-Voltaire (1764)

Just because you do not take an interest in politics

doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you!

-Pericles (430 B.C.)

No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.

-Mark Twain (1866 )

Talk is cheap...except when Congress does it.

-Unknown

The government is like a baby's alimentary canal: a happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.

-Ronald Reagan

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.

-Winston Churchill

The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin.

-Mark Twain

The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.

-Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903 )

There is no distinctly Native American criminal class...save Congress.

-Mark Twain

What this country needs are more unemployed politicians.

-Edward Langley, Artist (1928 - 1995)

AND THE BEST ONE.......

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.

-Thomas Jefferson
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on November 04, 2008, 09:23:50 AM
Tomorrow is often the busiest day of the week.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on November 19, 2008, 10:33:06 AM
Taxes explained
 
 So simple so we all can understand without using our brain.
 
Here is the wisdom of our near term SOCIALIST President of CHANGE:
 
No PhD. required here, if you do not get this, your voting card
should be revoked!
BAR STOOL ECONOMICS
 
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill
for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our
taxes, it would go something like this:
 
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
 
So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the
bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one
day, the owner threw them a curve.
 
'Since you are all good customers, he said, I'm going to
reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost
just $80.
 
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our
taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink
for
free.
 
But what about the other six men - the paying customers?
How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his
'fair share?'
 
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they
subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the
sixth man
would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner
suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly
the
same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should
pay.!
 
And so:
 
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100%
savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
 
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four
continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men
began to compare their savings.
 
'I only got a dollar out of the $20,' declared the sixth man.
He pointed to the tenth man, 'but he got $10!'
 
'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a
dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'
 
'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get
$10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'*
 
'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We
didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'
 
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
 
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the
nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay
the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough
money between all of them for even half of the bill!
 
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors,
is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get
the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them
for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact,
they
might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat
friendlier.
 
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia
 
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible (Please
do not vote)
 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on November 19, 2008, 05:56:10 PM
I like that one!!! 


I don't believe it though, a college professor who obviously is not a liberal?  ;)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on November 19, 2008, 06:32:29 PM
Well, I don't know what to say? ???

I have this personality flaw/strength.  [crz] I check up on stuff. I Googled the good professors name and came up with countless examples of that story. Including an article on Snopes. Professor David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D. denies he was the author of the piece.  :-\ The same/similar story has also been attributed to other people as well; all deny authorship. David R. Kamerschen's personal website has a first paragraph disclaimer regarding the piece.

Maybe he really didn't author it. Maybe he did and doesn't want to be found to be closet conservative at a liberal university? Who knows.  ??? It is a good story though.  ;D Oh, the timeline for this goes back to at least 2004.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on November 22, 2008, 08:49:07 PM
Got this from Harry51 today...

"We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."

 Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959



BTW, MtnDon - I liked the tax story too, didn't really care who had written it - just passed it on as it was sent to me...  interesting that it wasn't the person it was supposedly quoted from...  that happens all the time, tho - that's usually why I check news stories from several sources & still, sometimes get it wrong...  & no, I don't usually check Snopes as they are no more reliable than anyone else - just a couple who started checking out things for veracity - but they have their own agenda, also...  and it may not even be a couple doing this, who knows?   [noidea' d*
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 02, 2008, 09:38:03 PM
"The fastest way to end terror is to stop screwing around with other peoples' countries!"

Michael Rivero
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on December 04, 2008, 08:52:11 PM
Liberalizing concealed carry laws won't lead to a return to the Wild West -- though it wouldn't be bad if it did. ... in 19th Century cattle towns, homicide was confined to transient males who shot each other in saloon disturbances. The per capital robbery rate was 7% of modern New York City's. The burglary rate was 1%. Rape was unknown.
-- David Kopel - quoted in the Wall Street Journal, February 28, 1994 in "Have Gun, Will Eat Out"
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Pox Eclipse on December 05, 2008, 04:13:32 AM
"The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty — and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies. " 

~~H.L. Mencken
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sonoran on December 05, 2008, 01:40:35 PM
Taxes explained
 
 And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors,
is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get
the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them
for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact,
they
might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat
friendlier.
 
 

I like this story.  I think that it is funny how things work, especially that the general public complains that the wealthy don't pay enough for taxes.  They are forgetting one important thing...who runs the businesses?  Lets place higher taxes on the people who employ us!!!  Did you hear that they cancelled our Christmas bonus!! They are so greedy it makes me sick... d*
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 06, 2008, 09:44:47 PM
Gun control is a good eye and a steady hand.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sonoran on December 07, 2008, 02:37:51 PM
Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. ...voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

Hermann Goering. Hitler's Reich-Marshall.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 07, 2008, 07:37:20 PM
No fair -- you have been looking.... [crz]
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: muldoon on December 30, 2008, 04:49:49 PM
"he was pullin... and i was pullin... and my heart felt so big"

I'm 30 years older than the lil one who said this to describe a first fishing trip, and to this day I couldn't describe it any better than that. 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 30, 2008, 08:30:24 PM
Great thought - I was there many years ago
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on January 03, 2009, 09:57:30 PM
Big Bang Theory:  S&W 500 Magnum

Fast Food: Mallards, woodcock, doves

        - Ted Nugent
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 04, 2009, 11:34:59 PM
The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation. At the head is a small group of banking houses... This little coterie...run our government for their own selfish ends. It operates under cover of a self-created screen...seizes...our executive officers...legislative bodies...schools...
courts...newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.”
N.Y. Mayor, John Hylan
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: muldoon on January 16, 2009, 11:05:35 AM

"Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalised, and the State will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism" -
Karl Marx, Das Kapital, 1867
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 16, 2009, 06:19:05 PM
Ain't that the truth.  Here we are Karl.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: muldoon on January 20, 2009, 04:24:39 PM
Quote from the past. 

Quote
    Yet our distress comes from no failure of substance. We are stricken by no plague of locusts. Compared with the perils which our forefathers conquered because they believed and were not afraid, we have still much to be thankful for. Nature still offers her bounty and human efforts have multiplied it. Plenty is at our doorstep, but a generous use of it languishes in the very sight of the supply.

    Primarily this is because the rulers of the exchange of mankind's goods have failed, through their own stubbornness and their own incompetence, have admitted their failure, and abdicated. Practices of the unscrupulous money changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion, rejected by the hearts and minds of men. True they have tried, but their efforts have been cast in the pattern of an outworn tradition. Faced by failure of credit they have proposed only the lending of more money. Stripped of the lure of profit by which to induce our people to follow their false leadership, they have resorted to exhortations, pleading tearfully for restored confidence.

    They know only the rules of a generation of self-seekers. They have no vision, and when there is no vision the people perish. The money changers have fled from their high seats in the temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple to the ancient truths. The measure of the restoration lies in the extent to which we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit.





source :  http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2009/01/obama-roosevelt.html
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 08, 2009, 08:50:08 AM
The Socialist Party candidate for President of the US , Norman Thomas, said this in a 1944 speech: "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism.  But, under the name of "liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." He went on to say:  "I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democrat Party has adopted our platform."

 

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: ScottA on February 08, 2009, 12:03:24 PM
Ain't that the truth.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: John_C on February 08, 2009, 01:04:47 PM
If we aren't careful we will end up with socialism.

 [slap]

Too late !
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Windpower on February 14, 2009, 04:29:36 AM
"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves . . . I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will rout you out!"

President Andrew Jackson"

Who got the last laugh here

bastards


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Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: John_C on February 14, 2009, 04:56:21 AM
Quote
Who got the last laugh here

Must be the bankers.  He's not laughing on the bill and he certainly wouldn't be laughing at the current situation  >:(
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 14, 2009, 10:20:32 AM
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Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 16, 2009, 02:39:16 PM
I am not sure whether anyone has seen this but it holds alot of truth.


Catching
Wild
Pigs 


A chemistry professor in a large college
had some exchange students in the class. One day
while the class was in the lab the Professor
noticed one young man (exchange student) who
kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his
back hurt. 

The professor asked the
young man what was the matter. The  student
told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He
had been shot while fighting communists in his
native country who were trying to overthrow his
country's government and install a new communist
government. 

In the midst of his
story he looked at th e professor and asked a
strange question. He asked, 'Do you know how to
catch wild pigs?' 

The professor
thought it was a joke and asked for the punch
line. The young man said this was no joke. 'You
catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in
the woods and putting corn on the ground. The
pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat
the free corn. When they are used to coming
every day, you put a fence down one side of the
place where they are used to coming. When they
get used to the fence, they begin to eat the
corn again and you put up another side of the
fence. They get used
to that
and start to eat again. You continue until you
have all four sides of the fence up with a gate
in The last side. The pigs, who are used to the
free corn, start to come through the gate to
eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the
whole herd. 

Suddenly the wild pigs
have lost their freedom. They run around and
around inside the fence, but they are caught.
Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They
are so used to it that they have forgotten how
to forage in the woods for themselves, so they
accept their captivity. 

The young
man then told the professor that is exactly what
he sees happening to America . The government
keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps
spreading the free corn out in the form of
programs such as supplemental income, tax credit
for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy
subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP),
welfare, medicine, drugs, etc.. While we
continually lose our freedoms -- just a little
at a time. 

One should always
remember: There is no such thing as a free
lunch! Also, a politician will never provide a
service for you cheaper than you can do it
yourself. 

Also, if you see that
all of this wonderful government 'help' is a
problem confronting the future of democracy in
America , you might want to send this on to your
friends. If you think the free ride is essential
to your way of life then you will probably
delete this email, but God help you when the
gate slams shut! 


 
Keep
your eyes on the newly elected politicians who
are 
 about
to slam the gate on America . 

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: tanya on February 16, 2009, 04:02:03 PM
Again I prefer socialism to facism and I see a lot more facist policies being pushed on Americans than socialist. The problem is they look like socialist policies until the gate is closed then what?  Once the gate closes the facists will be saying now for your free corn you must work forty hours a week for the welfare office, we don't need to develop jobs or training programs because we have been giving you free corn now work or go to jail.  The people need the free corn because the corporate strategy and govt officials have taken our jobs and sent them overseas where the people are already working for the bare minimum of corn and their govt.s already have closed the gate.  These policies are facist not socialist.  As we spend 10 billion a DAY in Iraq American citizens sit and wonder how to put food onthe table.  I don't see ANY socialist nations in Iraq and I have not heard that a single socialist country has felt the HUGE effects of the current worldwwide recession.  In fact the nations that were already providing basic services to their citizens are the ones the least affected.  I am not conviced the democrats are pushing a socialist agenda I think it is a facist agenda in socialist wrapping. 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on February 26, 2009, 09:36:04 AM
Great analogy, Red - true whether you want to call it fascism or socialism!

Now to change the subject, you may have seen this story before, but worth repeating - Flutterby sent it to me...

BEING A MOTHER....

After 17 years of marriage, my wife wanted me to
take another woman out to dinner and a movie. She
said, 'I love you, but I know this other woman loves
you and would love to spend some time with you.'
* * *
The other woman that my wife wanted me to visit
was my MOTHER, who has been alone for 20 years,
but the demands of my work and my two boys had
made it possible to visit her only occasionally.
* * *
That night I called to invite her to go out for
dinner and a movie.
* * *
'What's wrong, aren't you well,' she asked?
* * *
My mother is the type of woman who suspects that a
late night call or a surprise invitation is a sign
of bad news.
* * *
'I thought it would be pleasant to spend some
time with you,' I responded. 'Just the two of us.'
She thought about it for a moment, and then said,
'I would like that very much.'
* * *
That Friday after work, as I drove over to pick
her up I was a bit nervous. When I arrived at her
house, I noticed that she, too, seemed to be nervous
about our date. She waited in the door. She had curled her hair and was wearing the
dress that she had worn to celebrate her last
birthday on November 19th.
* * *
She smiled from a face that was as radiant as an
angel's. 'I told my friends that I was going to go
out with my son, and they were impressed,' she said,
as she got into that new white van. 'They can't wait to hear about our date'.
* * *
We went to a restaurant that, although not
elegant, was very nice and cozy. My mother took my
arm as if she were the First Lady. After we sat
down, I had to read the menu. Her eyes could only
read large print. Half way through the entries, I
lifted my eyes and saw Mom sitting there staring at
me. A nostalgic smile was on her lips. 'It was I
who used to have to read the menu when you were
small,' she said. 'Then it's time that you relax and
let me return the favor,' I responded.
* * *
During the dinner, we had an agreeable
conversation- -nothing extraordinary but catching up
on recent events of each other's life. We talked so
much that we missed the movie.
* * *
As we arrived at her house later, she said,
'I'll go out with you again, but only if you let me
invite you.' I agreed.
* * *
'How was your dinner date ?'
asked my wife when I got home.
'Very nice. Much more so than I could have imagined,'
I answered.
* * *
A few days later, my mother died of a massive
heart attack. It happened so suddenly that I didn't
have a chance to do anything for her.
* * *
Some time later, I received an envelope with a
copy of a restaurant receipt from the same place
mother and I had dined. An attached note said: 'I
paid this bill in advance. I wasn't sure that I
could be there; but nevertheless, I paid for two
plates - one for you and the other for your wife.
You will never know what that night meant for me.
I love you, son.'
* * *
At that moment, I understood the importance of
saying in time: 'I LOVE YOU' and to give our loved
ones the time that they deserve. Nothing in life is
more important than your family. Give them the time
they deserve, because these things cannot be put off
till 'some other time.'
* * *
Somebody said it takes about six weeks to get back
to normal after you've had a baby..... somebody
doesn't know that once you're a mother,
'normal' is history.
* * *
Somebody said you learn how to be a mother by
instinct ... somebody never took a three-year-old shopping.
* * *
Somebody said being a mother is boring ....
somebody never rode in a car driven by a teenager with a driver's permit.
Somebody said if you're a'good' mother,
your child will 'turn out good'......
somebody thinks a child comes with
directions and a guarantee.
* * *
Somebody said you don't need an education to be a
mother.... somebody never helped a fourth grader
with his math.
* * *
Somebody said you can't love the second child as
much as you love the first .... somebody doesn't
have two children.
* * *
Somebody said the hardest part of being a mother
is labor and delivery....
somebody never watched her 'baby' get on the bus
for the first day of kindergarten ...
or on a plane headed for military 'boot camp.'
* * *
Somebody said a mother can stop worrying after her
child gets married....somebody doesn't know that
marriage adds a new son or daughter-in-law to a
mother's heartstrings.
* * *
Somebody said a mother's job is done when
her last child leaves home....


somebody never had grandchildren.
* * *
Somebody said your mother knows you love her, so
you don't need to tell her....
somebody isn't a mother.



Pass this along to all the 'mothers' in your life
and to everyone who ever had a mother. This isn't
just about being a mother; it's about appreciating
the people in your life while you have them....no
matter who that person is.

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: muldoon on February 26, 2009, 11:25:12 AM
thanks sassy, im going to call my mom tonight. 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Terry on February 27, 2009, 05:37:37 AM
Thank you Sassy. I wish I could call my mom. I miss her alot. April 2nd will have been a year.  :(
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on March 07, 2009, 07:20:23 PM
"The powers of financial capitalism had (a) far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

Carroll Quigley
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 12, 2009, 11:18:27 AM
It's not important what people think about you when you are not around. It's only important that they do think about you when you are not around.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on March 18, 2009, 11:43:51 AM
Harry 51 sent me this...
The Wagon Analogy
By Mike Williams

The westward-bound Conestoga wagons of the 19th century are an emblem of America's expansion. They also offer a useful analogy for our current situation.

Several years ago, I was stationed at Fort Leavenworth Kansas.  Fort Leavenworth was a major crossing point on the Missouri River for settlers and their wagons as they headed west. There are still massive ruts cut into the river bank where the wagons wore down the hill side as they struggled to climb out of the river bottom to higher ground on the western side of the river bank.  I often stood in those ruts and imagined the determination, excitement and fear of the pioneers who passed through that site.   

If you have made the drive across Kansas you know how barren and desolate it is.  If you have walked or ridden a horse on the prairies of Kansas, you know that Kansas is not flat. The terrain is very challenging.  It is inconceivable that families with small children made that journey which lasted months.  I am in awe of the mental and physical toughness of those Americans from our very recent past. I am also in awe of the material sacrifices they made.  The Fort Leavenworth area is laden with antiques and antique shops.  Some towns on the east side of the river are dominated by antique shops.

Why is that?  In order for the pioneer family to successfully cross the Kansas prairie, they had to leave the family heirlooms, trunks, pianos and chest behind.  Space had to be opened up for food and supplies for the family but the item that was most essential was grain for the teams that pulled the wagon. Care of the team, whether they were oxen, mules or horses was the most important factor. Without them, the wagon and the family were lost.  If the team failed, the family was stranded on the prairie and they faced starvation and death.  The pioneer also had to take great care of the wagon, a broken wheel or cracked axle meant disaster. Contrary to the movie depictions, the family walked beside the wagon. The women, children and pets walked. The only people who were allowed to ride were the sick and the injured. As soon as they got better, they had to get off and walk. Why? They couldn't afford to burden the team with the extra weight. The survival and fitness of the team equaled success and survival.

These pioneers also had to count on themselves for protection.  They faced many dangers and had no one to protect them from wild animals, Indians and thieves.  As a result, they were heavily armed.  Firearms were tools just like the axe and the shovel.  They didn't have the government to defend them, feed them or house them.  Most of them survived and prospered. The ones who refused to drop the piano off at the river crossing and insisted on taking the extra baggage with them at the expense of food for the team usually failed.  The team died or the wagon broke down and they were left in the middle of the prairie to face the winter with no food or shelter.  There were no anti-gun advocates on the wagon trail either. Guns were their  best friends.

Now look at the country a mere one hundred and fifty years later.  We are in the middle of the prairie.  The team pulling the wagon (the tax payer) has been pulling hard for years and they are getting tired.  The wagon (the government) is loaded down to the railings. It is full and can't hold any more.  The axles are buckling under the strain and the spokes of the wheels are failing.  There are some people riding the wagon that need to be there.  They are the old, the sick and the unfortunate (social security, Medicare and temporarily unemployed).  Unfortunately for the team, there are far too many who are on the wagon that shouldn't be there.   They have been on the wagon for generations and never plan to get off.

When the team dies, they will sit with the wagon until it rots and someone comes to save them. If a savior never shows up, they will die in place feeling sorry for themselves until their last breath.

So here we are in 2009. The team is faltering under the strain and it looks like they can't pull the wagon much further.  There isn't much more they can give.  The wagon is maxed out. The people on the wagon refuse to get off, in fact they demand more even when their doom is staring them in the face.  The snow clouds are gathering and it looks bleak.

At least settlers in wagon trains were sometimes saved by the cavalry.  Our so called leaders just arrived on the scene and put a 100 ton mill stone (stimulus package) in the wagon.

We are stuck here for the next two winters.

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Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on April 09, 2009, 05:53:52 AM
'A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.'
-Thomas Jefferson -
 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 13, 2009, 09:51:16 AM

Foresight on Behalf of Thomas Jefferson. John Kennedy once said to a
assembled group of scholars in the White House, "I think this is the
most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has
ever been gathered at the White House - with the possible exception of
when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

The Thomas Jefferson quotes below prove his point.

When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we
shall become as corrupt as Europe.

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and
give to those who would not.

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted
on would save one-half the wars of the world.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from
wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of
them.

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear
arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
government.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

And here's a Very Interesting Quote: In light of the present financial
crisis, it's interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing
armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the
issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the
banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive
the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the
continent their fathers conquered.

One more...

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes ... Such laws make
things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve
rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be
attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

Thomas Jefferson Brilliant!

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on April 13, 2009, 10:32:33 AM
Here, here!  Indeed brilliant, thanks for posting, Red!

Think I will post these on Facebook, if you don't mind...
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on April 24, 2009, 06:03:56 PM
In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm and three or more is a congress. -- John Adams

Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But then I repeat myself. -- Mark Twain


Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 02, 2009, 06:34:02 PM
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.”  Patrick Henry 1736-1799

“The Constitution shall never be construed…to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.”  Samuel Adams 1722-1803

“Does the government fear us? Or do we fear the government? When the people fear the government, tyranny has found victory.  The federal government is our servant, not our master!”   Thomas Jefferson 1743-1826



......

“The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank.”
- Curtis Dall, ex-President Franklin Roosevelt’s son-in-law
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 23, 2009, 10:48:47 AM
"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist."

Winston Churchill, Nov. 21, 1943

Obama Proposes New Law: ‘Prevention Detention’
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 31, 2009, 08:49:19 PM
I just thought this economists advice was interesting - similar to what many of us in the US think, I guess because it makes sense no matter where you are from..

Mikhail Khazin: A New World Order – or a Return to Feudalism?

His site, worldcrisis.ru, has a collection of his publications, and also hosts advice from others on how to survive the crisis – namely by moving as far away from the dubious fruits of civilization as possible and relying on yourself and your land.

http://www.mosnews.com/minority/2009/03/03/khazin/
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sonoran on June 09, 2009, 02:50:18 PM
Terrorists are a group of people with bombs, but no airforce.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on June 13, 2009, 12:06:20 PM
This is from an article in the St. Petersburg Times Newspaper on Sunday.

The Business Section asked readers for ideas on "How Would You Fix the Economy?"

I think this guy nailed it!

Dear Mr. President:

Please find below my suggestion for fixing America 's economy.

Instead of giving billions of dollars to companies that will squander the money on lavish parties and unearned bonuses, use the following plan.

You can call it the Patriotic Retirement Plan:

There are about 40 million people over 50 in the work force.

Pay them $1 million apiece severance for early retirement with the following stipulations:

1) They MUST retire. Forty million job openings - Unemployment fixed.

2) They MUST buy a new American CAR. Forty million cars ordered - Auto Industry fixed.

3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage - Housing Crisis fixed.

It can't get any easier than that!

If more money is needed, have all members of Congress and their constituents pay their taxes...

If you think this would work, please forward to everyone you know.

If not, please disregard.

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 20, 2009, 08:00:48 PM
Bird flu can survive up to 2 years in bird carcasses. Safety tip: Do not eat two year old bird carcasses.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Pox Eclipse on July 02, 2009, 03:40:49 AM

There are about 40 million people over 50 in the work force.

Pay them $1 million apiece severance for early retirement with the following stipulations:


Uh, that's gonna cost $40 TRILLION , or the entire gross national product for almost four years.  

Must be that California math...
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on July 02, 2009, 07:31:38 AM
Ummmm, I never said I was a math wizard  d* :-[  it sounded good, anyway...   here's something from Whiskey & Gunpowder


Now: two Whiskey tenets collide.

How does one balance the idea of resource scarcity and the free market? The ceaseless yearning for liberty with the grown up acceptance of natural limits?

Hello Gary,
 
Somehow I got the idea that many people who write for W & G are libertarians in the sense of the Libertarian Party.  That is they still support the basic idea of capitalism, namely, that men and women have the right to accumulate as much wealth as they are able to, including the means of production, the tools that workers use to perform useful tasks.  They have not figured out that Capitalism is inconsistent with Peak Oil; therefore, practically everything they write is a little wrong if not completely wrong.  On my website, a sequence of energy papers prove this in terms of inequalities that divide the space of all possible worlds into half spaces by means of infinite dimensional hyper-planes, although such sophisticated Hilbert Space machinery is never mentioned.  I keep track of it mentally to deepen my personal understanding and for other purposes of my own.

You’re not the only one wondering, Shooter…

Hey...on the climate/carbon bill...we got to start somewhere. What does it matter if we have $$ but not clean air and water?????? We are the polar bears.

 "Only after the last tree has been cut down,
  Only after the last River has been poisoned,
  Only after the last fish has been caught,
  Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten."

A Cree Indian Prophecy

How about writing about prosperity without growth?

I will go to my grave defending this idea…

Nothing encourages the marshaling and stewardship of finite resources better than a system of individual property rights in a free market.

Governments—despite the feverish wish of the statists—are not in the business of making long-term wise decisions for the good of all mankind and the little blue ball we call home.

Governments are at their core systems of expansionism, resource grabs and transfers of wealth for political reasons in the stead of market forces.

Governments are concerned with the false promise of eternal growth. And politicians are concerned with staying in power by spending other people’s money to make the voting majority happy.

The private individual is concerned with doing for himself and his loved ones. You can lament that a man of talent and drive “has too much” all you want. Such men are not anybody’s problem when they have a mansion and a fleet of German cars. It’s the prideful boobs who get the majority vote that you have to watch out for.

Political power is the opposite of the wealth and esteem that markets can bring. Political power goes to the best liars with gleeful murder and mischief in their hearts…but who pass themselves off as the greatest lovers of their fellow men.

Capitalism is often accused of having a junkie’s dependence on endless growth. But nothing could be further from the truth. Capitalism, as Bill Bonner so poetically put it, is a hanging judge who’s out to make sure that everybody gets what he’s got coming…good and hard!

Endless growth? That’s the purview of governments. The idea that consequences and limits can be managed away is a lie told by the sociopaths in nice suits whom the masses elect with the simple faith of children.

Capitalism, property rights, individual liberty, free markets, sound currency…All those quaint little notions we bandy back and forth across the bar each day…They don’t make for a perfect world, but they correct mistakes before they get big enough to destroy the world.

Without centralized governance there to compound the errors, your cities wouldn’t be so big. Your nations wouldn’t become states. Your errors wouldn’t gather and coalesce into worldwide depressions and wars.

Fiat currency, artificially low interest rates, federal welfare programs…these are tools from the Political Pit with which djinns make men’s wishes real…for a while.

And now the wishes are going sour. And Capitalism and liberty get the blame.

My little libertarian heart is okay with what has to come. When the market tells me something is no longer affordable or that it’s coming off the menu, my heart is not troubled.

No fancy car, no big suburban house, no problem! Your editor — like everyone else — will make do with what’s available and ply what talents he has in exchange for whatever he can.

He’d still rather not have the State dictating what he can have and how to manage any of his affairs no matter what.

Regards,
Gary Gibson
Managing Editor, Whiskey & Gunpowder
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 06, 2009, 09:18:11 PM
Subject: Australian Shooter Magazine

Australian Shooter Magazine

An interesting letter in the Australian Shooter Magazine this week, which I quote:   "If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the past 22 months, and a total of 2,112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.

The firearm death rate in Washington , DC , is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period.

That means you are about 25 per cent more likely to be shot and killed in the US capital, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the US .

Conclusion:  The US should pull out of Washington ."
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: rick91351 on July 07, 2009, 03:52:01 AM
Quote
Conclusion:  The US should pull out of Washington ."

I raise my coffee cup this morning in hardy agreement.

rlr
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Squirl on July 07, 2009, 03:54:13 AM
I thought most deaths in Iraq were due to bombs.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 07, 2009, 06:15:06 AM
Some, but near all except natural are directly related to the US invasion and sanctions since the first one in GHWB's day.

My friend from Covert Ops said we are not there to help those people.  We are there to kill them.  Currently

(https://countryplans.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.justforeignpolicy.org%2Fimages%2Firaqdeaths.gif&hash=d3562e4d3e3554179bb01e3103aa8ac7)

Casualties on our side are a result of a misguided effort in support of big oil and the military industrial complex..  

We sent study groups in to monitor the deaths of their children due to our degradation of their water systems and our prohibition of them getting purification supplies - chlorine etc. 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: StinkerBell on July 07, 2009, 07:15:41 AM
You know its going to be a bad day when you put your bra on backwards and notice it fits better.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 07, 2009, 07:23:35 AM
Maybe that's the way they wear them in Tx. ;D
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 08, 2009, 06:36:26 AM
Pix?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 08, 2009, 12:32:56 PM
(https://countryplans.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi220.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fdd161%2Fredoverfarm%2Fscenes%2Fcountry%2520plans%2Fk0150905BRA.jpg&hash=27e921546f4252743accd43a2043ce43)



 ;D
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 08, 2009, 08:20:36 PM
Nice one, John. :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 13, 2009, 12:46:38 PM
Note - to cut down on garbage paperwork, send all trash - advertising etc. back to the sender along with your payment as long as it doesn't cost you extra to send it.  Let them throw it away and give your mail carrier job security.  :)

Postage paid replies to junk mail are even better. ::)

I just sent back the trash to the city of Fresno for their illegal out of town business taxes.  It has been ruled illegal in places where it has been tested, but who has money to prosecute?  [waiting]
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Drew on July 17, 2009, 01:03:26 PM
I'd compost the stuff if it wasn't full of metal and other junk.

Hmm.  Shred it and use it for...  What?  Mulch?  it still gets in the soil.  Burn a lot of it (You can use some for starting your winter fire!) and you get greenhouse gasses.

Yeah, Glenn.  I think you have the best idea so far.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 22, 2009, 08:53:41 PM
It was a suggestion we read somewhere and we decided to implement it... besides - my mom is a mail carrier and she needs the work...
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Squirl on July 23, 2009, 03:51:52 AM
A lot can't be sent back.  I shred it and use it in my worm bins.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on August 07, 2009, 07:57:43 PM
Doctors vs. Gun Owners

Doctors

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.

(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

Statistics courtesy: U.S. Dept of Health & Human Services.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Now think about this:
Guns

(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million )

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.

(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.

Statistics: Courtesy of FBI

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.'

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Please alert your friends to this Alarming threat.

Should we not ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand????!!!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Out of concern for the public at large, I withheld the statistics on Lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention!!

Scary, very scary!!!

 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 14, 2009, 10:41:30 AM
"If you ever need a helping hand, you'll find one at the end of your arm.'"
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: rwanders on August 17, 2009, 09:22:07 PM
 :(  All those statistics about doctor's mistakes and accidental shootings reminded me: 

This is a dangerous world----no one's made it out of here alive yet.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on August 22, 2009, 01:33:08 PM
Let me get this straight:
                 
Obama's health care plan will be written by a committee  whose head says he doesn't understand it,
   
Passed by a Congress that hasn't read it,   

Signed by a president who smokes, 
 
Funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes,
     
Overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and
   
Financed by a country that is broke.   

What could possibly go wrong?   
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 23, 2009, 06:11:43 AM
"The happiest people don't have the best of everything.
They just make the best of everything they have."
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 13, 2009, 06:09:30 AM
OUR FEDERAL  GOVERNMENT AT WORK. 
Subject: Cash for  Clunkers...

A vehicle at 15 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 800 gallons a year of gasoline.

A vehicle at 25 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 480 gallons a year.

So, the average clunker transaction will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year. 

They claim 700,000 vehicles so that’s 224 million gallons / year.

That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.

5 million barrels of oil is about 1/4 of one days US consumption.
 
And, 5 million barrels of oil costs about $375 million dollars at $75/bbl.

So,we all contributed to spending $3 billion to save $375 million a year.
   
Now you know why our government is going broke.
 
(Also makes you wonder about their claim that they can fix health care at no additional cost)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: PEG688 on September 13, 2009, 06:57:54 AM
Let me get this straight:
                 
Obama's health care plan will be written by a committee  whose head says he doesn't understand it,
   
Passed by a Congress that hasn't read it,   

Signed by a president who smokes, 
 
Funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes,
     
Overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and
   
Financed by a country that is broke.   

What could possibly go wrong?   


 Always a optimism eh Sas!
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 13, 2009, 07:01:16 AM
Forgot the lieing part. ;)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Squirl on September 14, 2009, 05:34:43 AM
OUR FEDERAL  GOVERNMENT AT WORK. 
Subject: Cash for  Clunkers...

A vehicle at 15 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 800 gallons a year of gasoline.

A vehicle at 25 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 480 gallons a year.

So, the average clunker transaction will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year. 

They claim 700,000 vehicles so that’s 224 million gallons / year.

That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.

5 million barrels of oil is about 1/4 of one days US consumption.
 
And, 5 million barrels of oil costs about $375 million dollars at $75/bbl.

So,we all contributed to spending $3 billion to save $375 million a year.
   
Now you know why our government is going broke.
 
(Also makes you wonder about their claim that they can fix health care at no additional cost)


I love the numbers. Nobody ever double checks.  224 million gallons of gas is not 224 million gallons on oil.  One gallon of Light sweet Crude does not refine into one gallon of gas.  A more accurate description is 224 million gallons of gas at $3 a gallon equals $775 million in gas saved per year for the life of the cars. Approximately 8 years or $6.2 billion dollars.  Also demand curves for gasoline are exponentiation.  As small reduction in demand can save exponentially in price.  If gas were to go back up to $4 a gallon it would pay for itself in the first three years, plus this leaves out the massive money paid to the workers to build the cars and the taxes back to the government on that.  Things are never in a vacuum.  So if the minimum car cost $12,000 and the government gave a rebate of $4,500 or approximately 35%.  If a majority (over 50%) of the cost of a car is wages as all the car companies complain about, then around 35% of that would have been going right back to the government.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 27, 2009, 01:00:28 PM
REMEMBER, GROWING OLDER IS MANDATORY.. GROWING UP IS OPTIONAL. We make a Living by what we get. We make a Life by what we give.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 18, 2009, 06:39:02 AM
And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter…

The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway.

—Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free

The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.

—Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in our Time
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 26, 2009, 06:32:55 PM
"The nice part of living in a small town is that when I don't know what I'm doing, someone else does."
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 10, 2009, 12:58:36 PM
An Obituary printed in the London Times - not a joke and makes you think!

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years.
No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:
    Knowing when to come in out of the rain;
    Why the early bird gets the worm;
    Life isn't always fair;
    and maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place.
Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate;
teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch;
and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an Aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot.  She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death,     
    by his parents:    Truth and Trust,
    by his wife:        Discretion,
    by his daughter:  Responsibility and
    by his son:          Reason.

He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers;
    I Know My Rights
    I Want It Now
    Someone Else Is To Blame
    I'm A Victim

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 26, 2009, 08:55:57 AM
Rec'd in Email....



     

                At first I thought this was funny...then
                I realized the awful truth of it.
                Be sure to read all the way to the end!

                Tax his land,
                Tax his bed,
                Tax the table
                At which he's fed .

                Tax his tractor,
                Tax his mule,
                Teach him taxes
                Are the rule.

                Tax his cow,
                Tax his goat,
                Tax his pants,
                Tax his coat.

                Tax his ties,
                Tax his shirt,
                Tax his work,
                Tax his dirt.

                Tax his tobacco,
                Tax his drink,
                Tax him if he
                Tries to think.

                Tax his cigars,
                Tax his beers,
                If he cries, then
                Tax his tears.

                Tax his car,
                Tax his gas,
                Find other ways
                To tax his ass

                Tax all he has
                Then let him know
                That you won't be done
                Till he has no dough.

                When he screams and hollers,
                Then tax him some more,
                Tax him till
                He's good and sore.

                Then tax his coffin ,
                Tax his grave,
                Tax the sod in
                Which he's laid.

                Put these words
                upon his tomb,
                " Taxes drove me to my doom..."

                When he's gone,
                Do not relax,
                Its time to apply
                The inheritance tax.

                Accounts Receivable Tax
                Building Permit Tax
                CDL license Tax
                Cigarette Tax
                Corporate Income Tax
                Dog License Tax
                Excise Taxes
                Federal Income Tax
                Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
                Fishing License Tax
                Food License Tax
                Fuel Permit Tax
                Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
                Gross Receipts Tax
                Hunting License Tax
                Inheritance Tax
                Inventory Tax
                IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
                Liquor Tax
                Luxury Taxes
                Marriage License Tax
                Medicare Tax
                Personal Property Tax

            Property Tax
            Real Estate Tax
            Service Charge Tax
            Social Security Tax
            Road Usage Tax
            Sales Tax
            Recreational Vehicle Tax
            School Tax
            State Income Tax
            State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
            Telephone Federal Excise Tax
            Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
            Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
            Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
            Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
            Telephone State and Local Tax
            Telephone Usage Charge Tax
            Utility Taxes
            Vehicle License Registration Tax
            Vehicle Sales Tax
            Watercraft Registration Tax
            Well Permit Tax
            Workers Compensation Tax

            STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
            Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to
            raise the kids.

            What the heck happened? Can you spell "politicians!"

            And... I still have to "press 1"for English.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Phssthpok on November 29, 2009, 10:10:26 AM
Rec'd in Email....



     

                At first I thought this was funny...then
                I realized the awful truth of it.
                Be sure to read all the way to the end!

                Tax his land,
                Tax his bed,
                Tax the table
                At which he's fed .....

                <snip>

            STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
            Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to
            raise the kids.

            What the heck happened? Can you spell "politicians!"

            And... I still have to "press 1"for English.



Video link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpsJKQR_ZE)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 30, 2009, 12:39:09 PM
I think I could be in agreement with that too.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on November 30, 2009, 08:52:35 PM
An economics
 
  professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a
 
  single student before, but had once failed an entire
 
  class.
 
  That class had
 
  insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no
 
  one would be rich, a great equalizer.The professor then
 
  said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".
 
  All grades would
 
  be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and
 
  no one would receive an
 
  A...
 
  After the first
 
  test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a
 
  B.
 
  The students who
 
  studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the
 
second test
 
  rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the
 
  ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied
 
  little.
 
  The second test
 
  average was a D! No one was
 
  happy. When the 3rd test
 
  rolled around, the average
 
  was an F. The scores never
 
  increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings
 
  and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
 
  All failed, to
 
  their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also
 
  ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is
 
  great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want
 
  to succeed. Could not be any
 
  simpler than that.
 
  (Please pass this on) Remember, there is
 
  a mid-term  (test) election in
 
  2010
 
 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 14, 2009, 11:11:56 PM

                   Let me see if I understand all this...
 
 
                  IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12
YEARS HARD LABOR.
 
 
                   IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE
DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
 
 
 
 
                  IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
 
 
                 IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE
JAILED.
 
 
                  IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE
HEARD FROM AGAIN.
 
 
                 IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE
BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
 
 
                  IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN
INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.
 
 
   IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET A JOB, A DRIVERS LICENSE,
SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS, CREDIT CARDS, SUBSIDIZED RENT OR
A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE, FREE EDUCATION, FREE HEALTH CARE, A LOBBYIST IN
WASHINGTON AND IN MANY INSTANCES YOU CAN VOTE!
 
 
 
 
                    HUH?????
 
 
 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 15, 2009, 04:17:06 AM
I am not a rocket scientist but there seems that "there is something wrong with this picture".
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Pox Eclipse on December 16, 2009, 08:19:38 PM
You know, aspiring to be as repressive as the North Koreans is not setting the bar very high.  Is that really a culture we want to emulate?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 16, 2009, 08:25:45 PM
Even you will have to admit that there is a whole ocean of difference between what we do and what they do, Pox. 

There is at least lots of room for improvement.  :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on December 29, 2009, 10:28:56 AM
(some of this has been posted before but worth reading again)

No matter what Party you believe you are, this is a
 
very good reminder of what is....
 
545 vs 300,000,000  
 
EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS TO READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS JOURNALIST HAS  
 
SCRIPTED IN THIS MESSAGE.  READ IT  AND THEN REALLY THINK ABOUT  
 
OUR CURRENT POLITICAL DEBACLE.Charley  
 
Reese has been a journalist for 49 years.  
 
545 PEOPLE  By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world  
 
who create problems and then campaign against them. Have you
 
ever  wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against
 
deficits, WHY do we have deficits?Have you ever wondered, if  all
 
the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have  
 
inflation and high taxes?You and I don't propose a federal budget.  
 
The president does.You and I don't have the  Constitutional
 
authority to vote on appropriations. The House of  
 
Representatives does.You and I don't write the tax
 
code, Congress  does.You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress
 
does..You  and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve  
 
Bank does. One hundred senators, 435 congressmen,
 
one  president, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human  
 
beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally,  and
 
individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague  this
 
country.I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve  
 
Board because that problem was created by the  Congress.  
 
In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty  to provide a sound
 
currency to a federally chartered, but private, central  bank.I
 
excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a  sound reason.. They
 
have no legal authority.  They have no  ability to coerce a senator, a
 
congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing.  
 
I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash.  
 
The  politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what  
 
the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility  to
 
determine  how he votes.Those 545 human beings spend much of their
 
energy  convincing you that what they did is not their fault.  
 
They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.What  separates a
 
politician from a normal human being is an  excessive amount of gall.  
 
No normal  human being would have the gall of a  Speaker, who stood up
 
and criticized the President for creating  deficits..  The president
 
can only propose a budget.   He cannot force the Congress to accept  it.
 
The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the  land, gives sole responsibility to the House
 
of  Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and
 
taxes.  Who is the speaker of the House?   Nancy Pelosi.
 
  She is  the leader of the majority party.  
 
She and  fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget
 
they want.  If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto
 
if  they agree  to.It seems inconceivable to me that a nation
 
of 300 million can  not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by
 
present facts -- of  incompetence and irresponsibility.  I can't think
 
of a  single domestic problem  that is not traceable directly to those
 
545 people.  When you fully  grasp the plain truth tha t 545 people
 
exercise the power of the federal  government, then it must follow that
 
what exists is what they want to  exist.If the tax code is unfair,
 
it's because they want it  unfair.If the budget is in the red, it's
 
because they want it in  the red ..If the Army &Marines are
 
in   IRAQ  ,  it's because they want
 
them in IRAQ  If they do not  receive social security but are
 
on an elite retirement plan not available  to the people, it's because they
 
want it that way.There are no  insoluble government
 
problems.Do not let these 545 people shift  the blame to
 
bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can  abolish; to lobbyists,
 
whose gifts and advice they can reject; to  regulators, to whom they give
 
the power to regulate and from whom they can  take this power.  Above
 
all, do not let them con you into  the belief that there exists disembodied
 
mystical forces like "the  economy," "inflation," or "politics" that
 
prevent them from doing  what they take an oath to do.Those 545
 
people, and they  alone, are responsible.They, and they alone, have
 
the  power.They, and they alone, should be held accountable by
 
the  people who are their bosses.Provided the voters have the  
 
gumption to manage their own employees.  We should vote all of  them
 
out of office and clean up their mess!Charlie Reese is a former
 
columnist of the  Orlando Sentinel  
 
Newspaper.What you do with this article now that you have  read
 
it.......... Is up to you. This might be funny if it
 
weren't so darned true.Be sure to read all the way to the end:        
 
Tax his land,      Tax his bed,      
 
Tax the table at which he's fed.        
 
Tax his tractor,     Tax his mule,      
 
Teach him taxes are the rule..
 
Tax his work, Tax his pay,
 
He works for peanuts Anyway!      
 
Tax his cow, Tax his goat,      

Tax his pants,  Tax his coat.
 
Tax his ties, Tax his shirt,  
 
Tax his dirt.
 
Tax his tobacco,      Tax his drink,
 
Tax him if he tries to think.      

Tax his cigars,      Tax his beers,      

If he cries  tax his tears.        

Tax his car,      Tax his gas,
 
Find other ways To tax his a$$.        

Tax all he has then let him know that you won't be
 
done till he has no dough.        
 
When he screams and hollers;
 
Then tax him some more,      

Tax him till he's good and sore.      

Then tax his coffin,      Tax his grave,      Tax the sod Tax      
 
Which he's laid.        Put these words upon his tomb,      

Taxes drove me  to my doom...'        When he's gone,      
 
Do not relax,   Its time to apply      
 
The inheritance  Tax        

Accounts Receivable Tax      
 
Building Permit Tax      
 
CDL license Tax
 
Cigarette Tax      

Corporate Tax      
 
Income Tax      Dog License Tax      Excise Taxes
 
Federal Income Tax      

Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)      
 
Food License Tax      
 
Fuel Permit Tax      
 
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)      

Gross Receipts Tax      
 
Hunting License &  Fishing License Tax      
 
Inventory Tax      
 
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)      
 
Luxury & Liquor Tax      
 
Marriage License Taxes      
 
Medicare Tax      
 
Personal Property Tax      
 
Property Tax      
 
Real Estate Tax      
 
Service Charge Tax      
 
Social Security Tax      
 
Road Usage Tax      
 
Sales Tax      
 
Recreational Vehicle Tax      
 
School Tax      
 
State Income Tax      
 
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
 
Telephone Federal Excise  & Telephone Federal Universal Service Tax    
 
Telephone Federal, State and Local FeeTax      
 
Telephone Minimum Usage & Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges  Surcharge Taxes      
 
Telephone State and Local   &   Telephone Usage Charge Tax      
 
Utility Tax      
 
Vehicle License Registration Taxes      
 
Vehicle Sales Tax      
 
Watercraft Registration Tax      
 
Well Permit Tax      
 
Workers Compensation Tax            

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
 
Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the
 
most prosperous in the world.  We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle
 
class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. What
 
in the hell happened? Can you spell 'politicians?'And I still have to 'press
 
1' for English!?  I hope this goes around THE USA at least 100
 
times!!!  YOU can help it get there!!!      GO
 
AHEAD - - - BE AN AMERICAN!!!
 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on January 01, 2010, 01:55:47 AM
Happy New Year, everybody!  It's about 3am in the ER, just finally getting a little break since being here since 7:30pm.  A friend sent me some quotes from Ronald Reagan - whether you liked him or not, they're pretty common sense  :)

"Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it." -Ronald Reagan

'The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'-Ronald Reagan


'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.'   -Ronald Reagan

'I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress.' -Ronald Reagan


'The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government but doesn't have to take the civil service examination.'- Ronald Reagan


'Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.'- Ronald Reagan

'The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program.' - Ronald Reagan

'It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.'- Ronald Reagan

'Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it'   - Ronald Reagan

'Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed, there are many rewards; if you disgrace yourself, you can always write a book.'- Ronald Reagan


'No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is as formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.'- Ronald Reagan


'If we ever forget that we're one nation under GOD, then we will be a nation gone under.'-Ronald Reagan

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Pox Eclipse on January 01, 2010, 02:25:51 PM
"Recognizing the equality of all men and women, we are willing and able to lift the weak, cradle those who hurt, and nurture the bonds that tie us together as one nation under God. "
--Ronald Reagan, address accepting the Republican presidential nomination, 1984
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sonoran on January 12, 2010, 07:06:40 PM
When you point your finger at somebody, remember that there are three fingers pointed back at you.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 21, 2010, 07:26:55 PM
I posted this somewhere here before but it is still good...

"To make something with lots of money, that is easy.  But to make something out of nothing
--that now, is something!"



"The visions of my mind overwhelm me."



                                                                                                       Baldassare Forestiere
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 24, 2010, 07:10:44 PM
QUOTE OF THE WEEK

"Frankly, I don't know what it is about California,
but we seem to have a strange urge to elect really obnoxious women to
high office.

I'm not bragging, you understand, but no other state,
including Maine, even comes close. When it comes to sending left-wing
dingbats to Washington, we're number one.

There's no getting around the fact that the last time anyone saw the likes of Barbara Boxer,
Dianne Feinstein, and Nancy Pelosi, they were stirring a  cauldron when the curtain went up on 'Macbeth'.

The three of them are like jackasses who happen to possess the gift of blab. You don't
know if you should condemn them for their stupidity or simply marvel at their ability to form words."

Burt  Prelutsky

Columnist,

Los Angeles Times
 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 26, 2010, 01:47:46 PM
Enjoy Life - It Has An Expiration Date
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: StinkerBell on January 26, 2010, 01:52:23 PM
You know it's going to be a bad day when you put your bra on backwards and notice it fits better.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: RainDog on January 26, 2010, 02:05:04 PM
You know it's going to be a bad day when you put your bra on backwards and notice it fits better.

 I HATE it when that happens!
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 26, 2010, 06:00:31 PM
I have the cutest cartoon about a backward swimming suit, but can't post it here... [ouch]
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 26, 2010, 06:03:27 PM
Most of them look like they are backwards anyway.   ;D
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 27, 2010, 07:31:15 AM
This one is special.... ::)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 27, 2010, 07:36:33 AM
I found it online.  Here is a link for those who dare.  

WARNING: It will be offensive or vulgar to some.  If you think you may be offended do not click the link.  

I assume you can read this warning or you would not know how to find the link.

I don't want to hear any whining if you go ahead and click the link and don't like what you see.... [waiting]

I thought it was pretty funny though. :)

Cartoons about seniors... you gotta love em... wait a minute --- I may be becoming one of them.... [ouch]

http://www.bitoffun.com/cartoon_swimming_suit.htm
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: RainDog on January 27, 2010, 09:38:03 AM
I found it online.  Here is a link for those who dare.  

WARNING: It will be offensive or vulgar to some.  If you think you may be offended do not click the link.  

I assume you can read this warning or you would not know how to find the link.

I don't want to hear any whining if you go ahead and click the link and don't like what you see.... [waiting]

I thought it was pretty funny though. :)

Cartoons about seniors... you gotta love em... wait a minute --- I may be becoming one of them.... [ouch]

http://www.bitoffun.com/cartoon_swimming_suit.htm


  :D

 Um... oh, I mean..

 Shame on you! That's just terrible!
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 27, 2010, 01:47:24 PM
I predict that Stinkerbell will click the link, but not tell us she did it because she wants us to think she's not that kind of girl..... [waiting]

No matter how many times I look at that, I cannot look at it again without laughing.... [ouch]
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: StinkerBell on January 27, 2010, 01:52:59 PM
Thats nothing! I worked in an ER for a decade!
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 27, 2010, 01:56:50 PM
OK -- You didn't at least snicker? [noidea'
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: rick91351 on January 27, 2010, 02:12:26 PM
Dang Glenn I thought you were just kidding.  Now I have to put the new laptop in the dish washer!   
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: StinkerBell on January 27, 2010, 02:51:42 PM
No snicker. I am a jaded woman.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 27, 2010, 04:41:17 PM
Sorry 'bout that, Rick... you may have to wash it's mouth out with soap... In the meantime I have to get Stinky to smile.... wait a minute there,

You know it's going to be a bad day when you put your bra on backwards and notice it fits better.

Backward bra and swimming suit.....  [idea]

Stinky, you didn't model for that cartoon did you? [noidea'

hmm Maybe that's why she didn't find it funny..... [waiting]
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: StinkerBell on January 28, 2010, 05:44:31 AM
Bite Me Glenn!
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 28, 2010, 08:30:08 AM
Stinky, dear, I can just imagine where that would go if I was actually able to do that... [waiting]






Likely I'd get thumped.... heh
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: StinkerBell on January 28, 2010, 08:51:51 AM
I am tellin Sassy. You is going to be in BIG trouble! :P
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 28, 2010, 08:54:12 AM
I'll rat you out for entrapping me.  I am just a weak helpless vulnerable man... ::)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 28, 2010, 08:59:13 AM
I forgot to add, innocent.... [waiting]
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: StinkerBell on January 28, 2010, 09:16:20 AM
*Big eye roll*

You are such a drama queen glenn.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 28, 2010, 09:27:31 AM
I'm not a queen, believe me... [waiting]
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on February 18, 2010, 10:41:55 AM
Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases:
 
If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving,
 
subsidize it. - Ronald Reagan
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on February 28, 2010, 02:10:22 PM
The government is like a baby's alimentary canal: a happy appetite at one end  and no responsibility at the other. - Ronald Reagan

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 14, 2010, 06:14:51 AM
The Two Wolves

One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people.  He said, 'My son, the battle is between two 'wolves' inside us all..

One is Evil.
It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret , greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority and ego.

The other is Good.
It is joy, peace , love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.

The grandson thought about it for a minute....  and then asked his grandfather:  'Which wolf wins?'


The old Cherokee simply replied,  'The one you feed .'

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 17, 2010, 05:00:28 AM
Very wise, indeed.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: muldoon on March 22, 2010, 06:15:05 AM
"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
~~~~ Dr. Adrian Rogers

"The problem with Socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money."
~~~~ Margret Thatcher
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 22, 2010, 10:53:05 AM
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C. S. Lewis (1898 - 1963)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on April 28, 2010, 02:04:48 PM
*"One man with courage makes a
majority." - Andrew Jackson
*
*"The only thing we have to fear is
fear itself." - Franklin D. Roosevelt
*
*"The buck stops here." - Harry S. Truman
*
*"Ask not what your country can do for
you; ask what you can do for your country." - John F. Kennedy *
 
*And, from today's genius Democrats..*.
 
"It depends what your definition of
'Sex' is?'' - Bill Clinton
"That Obama ... I would like to cut
his NUTS off." - Jesse Jackson
"Those rumors are false ... I believe
in the sanctity of marriage." - John Edwards
"I invented the Internet." - Al Gore
"The next Person that tells me I'm not religious, I'm going to shove my
rosary beads up their ASS." - Joe Biden
"America is ... is no longer, uh, what
it ... it, uh, could be, uh, what it was once was ... uh, and I say to
myself, 'uh, I don't want that future, uh, uh for my children." -
Barack Obama   (Thus we have the Teleprompter!)
"I have campaigned in all 57 states."
- Barack Obama (Quoted 2008)
(I think there are 57 Muslim States.He knows his Muslim history
pretty good --does that count??)
 
"You don't need God anymore, you have
us Democrats." - Nancy Pelosi (Quoted 2006)
"Paying taxes is voluntary." - Sen. Harry Reid
"Bill is the greatest husband and
father I know. No one is more faithful, true, and honest than he." -
Hillary Clinton (Quoted 1998)
 
and the most recent ones:
"We just have to pass the Healthcare
Bill to see what's in it." - Nancy Pelosi (Quoted March, 2010)
"This is a big FU###NG deal!" - Joe
Biden to Barack Obama at healthcare bill signing (Quoted March, 2010)
 
HOW LUCKY CAN WE BE -
TO HAVE SUCH BRILLIANT MINDS IN CHARGE
OF OUR ONCE GREAT COUNTRY?
 
''Life's tough ...
it's even tougher if you're stupid.''
- John Wayne
 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 29, 2010, 06:54:52 PM
POLITICIANS & DIAPERS BOTH NEED TO BE CHANGED OFTEN, AND FOR THE SAME REASON
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on May 30, 2010, 12:01:48 PM
Who Am I?

I have destroyed more men than all the wars of all nations combined.

I massacre millions of people each and every generation.

I have wrecked more homes than all other causes known to you.

I cause the downfall of the greatest civilizations in history.

I spare no one.

My victims are rich and poor, young and old, strong and weak.

I do not respect color or creed.

Children shall know me to their eternal sorrow.

I cast my shadow over every thought of man.

I hide in unseen places and I go about my work silently.

You have been warned of my presence, but you do not listen.

I never sleep and I am everywhere you are.

You cannot hide from me.

Illness, revulsion, disease and death follow me and are my friends.

I will give you nothing.

I will take everything you have and then seek more.

I will cause you to turn away from all you once believed in.

I will blind your eyes to the sins of your elected leaders.

I go where my master orders.

The Prince of Darkness alone sends me into your life.

Once allowed inside, seldom am I asked to leave.

America, allow me to give you rest.

I will remove all your worries and concerns.

I will take away any concern for individual responsibility.

I will bring you bliss.

I am your friend.

I am Apathy.

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Native_NM on June 03, 2010, 06:02:30 PM

Why does the government require me (under penalty of a hefty fine) to get $500 worth of shots, papers, surgery, and a license for my new puppy but turn its eye to 13 million people with no "documents"??   ???
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: bayview on June 04, 2010, 02:02:00 AM

Why does the government require me (under penalty of a hefty fine) to get $500 worth of shots, papers, surgery, and a license for my new puppy but turn its eye to 13 million people with no "documents"??   ???

   You make to much sense . . . Don't ever run for office . . .  ;D

/

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 05, 2010, 05:41:31 AM
A man that rolls up his sleeves will never loose his shirt.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on June 05, 2010, 09:20:46 AM
Committee: A group of the unfit, appointed by the unwilling to do the
 
unnecessary.  V Riesel
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on June 12, 2010, 08:22:39 PM
"We the people
 
            are the rightful masters of both Congress & the courts, not to
 
            overthrow the Constitution, but overthrow the men who pervert the
 
            Constitution."   ~ Abraham Lincoln~
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 26, 2010, 04:57:09 PM
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Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on August 20, 2010, 07:50:58 AM
You may have seen this before but worth reading & thinking about again...  sent to me by a member

Wal-Mart vs. The Morons

1. Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart Every hour of every day.
           
2. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!

3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. Patrick's Day (March 17th) than Target sells all year.

4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target +Sears + Costco + K-Mart combined.

5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people, is the world's largest private employer, and most speak English.

6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the history of the world.

7. Wal-Mart now sells more food than Kroger and Safeway combined, and keep in mind they did this in only fifteen years.

8. During this same period, 31 big supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.

9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any other store in the world.

10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are Super Centers; this is 1,000 more than it had five years ago.

11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur at Wal-Mart stores. (Earth's population is approximately 6.5 Billion.)

12. 90% of all Americans live within fifteen miles of a Wal-Mart.

You may think that I am complaining, but I am really laying the ground work for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart to fix the economy.

This should be read and understood by all Americans Democrats, Republicans, EVERYONE!!

To President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature,

It is now official that the majority of you are corrupt morons:

a.. The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775. You have had 234 years to get it right and it is broke.
 
b.. Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get it right and it is broke.
c.. Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it right and it is broke.
                               
d.. War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor" and they only want more.
                               
e.. Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years to get it right and they are broke.
                               
f.. Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it right and it is broke.
                               
g.. The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32 years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.
                               
You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our throats while overspending our tax dollars.

                                 
AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM   ??

                               
Folks, keep this circulating. It is very well stated. Maybe it will end up in the e-mails of some of our "duly elected' (they never read anything) and their staff will clue them in on how Americans feel.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Pox Eclipse on August 20, 2010, 09:44:08 AM
"All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."

~~Benjamin Franklin, Letter to Robert Morris, 1783  (http://www.foundersquotes.com/Benjamin_Franklin/all-the-property-that-is-necessary-to-a-man-for-the-conservation-of-the-individual/)

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on August 20, 2010, 10:51:05 AM
"All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."

~~Benjamin Franklin, Letter to Robert Morris, 1783  (http://www.foundersquotes.com/Benjamin_Franklin/all-the-property-that-is-necessary-to-a-man-for-the-conservation-of-the-individual/)

That's a good quote but doesn't work anymore because our "elected representatives" both Republican & Democrat don't pay attention to what the "Publick" want or vote for. 

Thomas Jefferson said "A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government."
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Pox Eclipse on August 20, 2010, 11:26:17 AM

That's a good quote but doesn't work anymore because our "elected representatives" both Republican & Democrat don't pay attention to what the "Publick" want or vote for.


There are diverse opinions in both houses of Congress, because the states are diverse in their politics.  It is not surprising that the voters of Texas don't think the Senators from Massachusetts listen to them.   That does not mean the system is broken.  It means that Congress represents their constituents, not the whole nation.  Voters overwhelmingly hate the other's guy's Congressman, but think their own is reasonable.  Whenever that changes, they elect someone else.  But they never get to elect representatives from other districts, and that is as it should be.  98% of incumbents have been renominated (http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Politico%3A+Primary+night+yields+good+news+for+Obama%2C+Dems&articleId=cb90719d-5f57-49a6-b5e4-5fde67ce1cb7) in state primaries so far.  So much for "throw the bums out".
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on August 30, 2010, 07:10:40 PM
On this date (August 30) 1146, European leaders outlawed crossbows, intending to end war for all time--thus proving crossbow bans don't work either.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on August 30, 2010, 07:27:51 PM
But did they use lead free projectiles?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on August 30, 2010, 07:44:40 PM
In researching the answer to that I found this historic picture of Barrack Hussein Kunta Kinte Soetoro Obama of Kenya...... 1480 A.D.

Apparently the loathing of weapons is hereditary from his ancestors conscription into medieval warfare......

(https://countryplans.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F9%2F9f%2FMartyrium_of_Saint_Sebastian._Pic_03.jpg%2F220px-Martyrium_of_Saint_Sebastian._Pic_03.jpg&hash=4dda657832e6a0e062a6cf7bdaf323e3)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_crossbows
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Pox Eclipse on September 16, 2010, 05:59:34 PM
"The remissness of our people in paying taxes is highly blameable; the unwillingness to pay them is still more so.  I see in some resolutions of town meetings a remonstrance against giving Congress a power to take, as they call it, the people's money out of their pockets, though only to pay the interest and principal of debts duly contracted. They seem to mistake the point. Money justly due from the people is their creditor's money and no longer the money of the people, who, if they withhold it, should be compelled to pay by some law."

Benjamin Franklin, 1783 (http://books.google.com/books?id=eAIOAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA187&dq=The+remissness+of+our+people+in+paying+taxes+is+highly+blameable&hl=en&ei=KdmSTMLbKsTflgf6o7imCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFoQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 17, 2010, 06:19:44 AM
New IRS form - How much did you make? _________

Send it in.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Homegrown Tomatoes on September 17, 2010, 08:34:05 AM
On this date (August 30) 1146, European leaders outlawed crossbows, intending to end war for all time--thus proving crossbow bans don't work either.
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 18, 2010, 09:30:42 PM
Just stumbled across that little know fact, Homey.  [ouch]
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 30, 2010, 06:30:06 AM
THE SENILITY PRAYER : 



Grant me the senility to forget the people

I never liked anyway,

The good fortune to run into the ones I do, and

The eyesight to tell the difference.

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 02, 2010, 09:34:31 PM
I think I'm way past that.... [waiting]
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 10, 2011, 10:05:41 AM
What have we learned in 2,064 years?


   "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled,
   public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be
   tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should
   be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt.   People must again learn to
   work,  instead of living on public assistance."
                                            -  Cicero   - 55 BC
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 14, 2011, 06:50:00 AM
I knew the system was broke and could not be fixed by man.... [waiting]

..on a building note - thought from an online builder news letter..

The trend in houses now is heading toward Countryplans style houses and I am quoting this..

"Less rooms; more room."  more in favor of open design.

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on January 30, 2011, 01:31:48 PM
"Fathom the odd hypocrisy that the Federal government wants every citizen to prove they are insured, but people don't have to prove they are citizens."
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on April 17, 2011, 07:49:45 PM
From our friend, Feng as he nears the time of his return to China.....Chinese Wisdom he sent for Sassy and I....

A bosom friend afar brings distance near.

Ancient Chinese philosopher
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 19, 2011, 04:07:16 PM
TODAY  IS THE OLDEST YOU'VE EVER BEEN,YET THE YOUNGEST YOU'LL EVER BE,SO ENJOY THIS DAY WHILE IT LASTS.

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on May 22, 2011, 06:54:25 PM
"Half a truth is better than no politics." - G.K. Chesterton
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Native_NM on June 16, 2011, 11:08:03 AM
I give you the quote, you tell me who said it:

"Texas doesn't necessarily bother me.  It is all those Texans I could do without."

 
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: muldoon on June 23, 2011, 05:32:34 PM
Quote
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner told the House Small Business Committee on Wednesday that the Obama administration believes taxes on small business must increase so the administration does not have to “shrink the overall size of government programs.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/geithner-taxes-small-business-must-rise
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on June 25, 2011, 02:17:52 PM
 >:( >:( >:(  grrrrrrr   [slap] n* [toilet]
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Native_NM on June 26, 2011, 09:44:41 AM
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/geithner-taxes-small-business-must-rise


You reap what you sow.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: archimedes on June 26, 2011, 10:06:34 AM
Why are conservatives constantly perpetuating the lie that raising taxes on the over $250k crowd hurts small businesses when 97% of small businesses have a net tax income of less than $250k.  How does that tax change hurt small businesses,  when it will only affect 3% of them?  There just defending there constituency,  which is mega-multinationals and the super rich,  and trying to cloak it in concern for small businesses which is total BS.

That congresswoman is just demagoguing the issue,  and doesn't have her facts straight.  The only way out of the deficit crunch is both revenue increases and spending cuts.  Just plan old common sense.

I'm not a big fan of Geithner,  but everything he said in that clip is correct,  unlike the politically slanted reporting in the article.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Native_NM on June 26, 2011, 10:56:55 AM
S-Corp, anyone?   
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: archimedes on June 26, 2011, 11:18:29 AM
Non sequitur anyone?   :P
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Native_NM on June 27, 2011, 12:59:53 PM
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics the Mainstream Media.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on July 07, 2011, 04:02:24 PM
Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way you can understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic. Someone over there has it figured out. We have a lot of work to do.

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: muldoon on July 07, 2011, 07:13:02 PM
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."
Napoleon Bonaparte

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 08, 2011, 04:02:44 AM
"If we love this country, we'd better change it." -- Ramsey Clark, former United States Attorney General and human rights activist
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Gary O on August 14, 2011, 06:00:45 PM
Life is short, break the rules, forgive quickly, kiss slowly, love truly, laugh uncontrollably, and never regret anything that made you smile
"Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass...it's about learning how to dance in the rain."

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on August 19, 2011, 08:02:10 PM
Do not quickly put things right into your mouth that just came out of the microwave..... [waiting]
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Gary O on August 21, 2011, 07:35:05 AM
A couple things I've learned in the work place:

When wearing a tie, always throw it over your shoulder.
It gives the illusion of urgency, even when standing still.
Your subordinates will become inspired and those you report to will leave you alone.

You really shouldn't even think about going to work with a bad cough while experiencing a case of diarrhea.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: firefox on August 21, 2011, 01:47:08 PM
"You really shouldn't even think about going to work with a bad cough while experiencing a case of diarrhea."

So you've been learning from Glenn? 
YOU DID NOT LOOK.........YOU CAME BACK IN TOO FAST ..... GO CHECK AGAIN....

Bruce
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Gary O on August 30, 2011, 11:47:12 AM
Saw this on the web today

An interesting thought.....

 
The English language has some wonderfully anthropomorphic collective nouns for the various groups of animals.
 
We are all familiar with a Herd of cows, a Flock of chickens, a School of fish and a Gaggle of geese.
 
However, less widely known is a Pride of lions, a Murder of crows (as well as their cousins the rooks and ravens), an Exaltation of doves and, presumably because they look so wise, a Parliament of owls.
 
Now consider a group of Baboons. They are the loudest, most dangerous, most obnoxious, most viciously aggressive and least intelligent of all primates. And what is the proper collective noun for a group of baboons?
 
Believe it or not ....... a Congress!
 
I guess that pretty much explains the things that come out of Washington!
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on August 30, 2011, 06:00:23 PM
Very fitting.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Tickhill on August 30, 2011, 11:51:52 PM
Yes and we keep electing them, what should we be called?

I was told this by a good friend who has since left this walk of life:
Always stand in a bind. Even if you are taking a break, stand like you are fixing to hurry off to the next job. It always worked for him.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: johnecash on September 04, 2011, 05:55:34 PM
Yes and we keep electing them, what should we be called?


  Hopefully --- Not late for dinner ;)

We have all voted for the lessor of the evils running and it leaves quite a bit to be desired.
 I've been trying to get the ballots changed to include "None Of The Above"
     If that position on the ballot won ---- the office would remain empty until the next election.

D.C. would become a ghost town and the budget would become balanced due to the lack of politicians blowing our money.

Until the next chapter of that pipe dream is written---- LATER.

   -J.C.-
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 04, 2011, 06:09:35 PM
So we are given a choice of individuals hand picked and groomed for the office, kept in office by the Supreme Court ruling on hanging chads or that no US citizen is allowed to ask if someone is actually eligible for office, if it doesn't go right the electoral college can change it, and on and on and on....

Yet some of us think that we can effect the outcome by spending twenty dollars worth of gas to drive to the polls.....that in reality is what this is about isn't it.... getting us to realize that our lives depend on the wars that bring us oil and it doesn't matter which person lives in the White House.

Those above them will direct world events and control which sovereign nation we attack next in the quest for riches, power and control of the world.

We are just breeding stock, providing gamers for flying drones, bombers and operating targeting computers while splattering humans like they are so many pixels on a screen [waiting]
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 04, 2011, 06:13:40 PM

  Hopefully --- Not late for dinner ;)

We have all voted for the lessor of the evils running and it leaves quite a bit to be desired.
 I've been trying to get the ballots changed to include "None Of The Above"
     If that position on the ballot won ---- the office would remain empty until the next election.

D.C. would become a ghost town and the budget would become balanced due to the lack of politicians blowing our money.

Until the next chapter of that pipe dream is written---- LATER.

   -J.C.-


Anymore, J.C., I am convinced that there is not a lesser of evils running..... [waiting]
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Gary O on September 05, 2011, 06:18:22 AM
 Yeah, and I’m part of the problem, as I can’t bring myself to change from ‘independent’. Thus, the primaries come and go for me….not that the selection is any better there.
On this subject, I can’t wrap my mind around the reason we still keep the Electoral College in this day of electronics.
Any good reason to keep it?

Dang, here I am, going OT on a ‘thought for the day’ thread……but maybe this is…..
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 05, 2011, 07:37:45 AM
Hard to get off topic in a thought for the day, Gary.....

Somewhere somebody is still thinking about this......

How about a quote to keep it on topic.

Quote
  All political systems in the world today
               are the product of the struggle for power
               between instruments of governing. The
               struggle may be peaceful or armed, such as                   
               the conflict of classes, sects, tribes, parties or
               individuals.  The result is always the victory
               of an instrument of governing -- be it an
               individual, group, party or class and the
               defeat of the people, i.e. the defeat of genuine
               democracy.

                       
                 Political struggle that results in the vic-
               tory of a candidate with 51 per cent of the
               votes leads to a dictatorial governing body
               disguised as a false democracy, since 49 per
               cent of the electorate is ruled by an instru-
               ment of governing they did not vote for, but
               had imposed upon them. This is dictatorship.
               Besides, this political conflict may produce a
               governing body that represents only a
               minority, for when votes are distributed
               among several candidates, one of them polls
               more than any other candidate. But if the
               votes polled by those who received less are
               added up, they can constitute an over-
               whelming majority. However, the candidate
               with fewer votes wins and his success is
               regarded as legitimate and democratic! In
               actual fact, dictatorship is established under
               the cover of false democracy. This is the
               reality of the political systems prevailing in
               the world today. They are dictatorial systems
               and it seems clear that they falsify genuine
               democracy.

Agree- Disagree...Know where it came from?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Gary O on September 13, 2011, 05:18:50 AM
Agree- Disagree...Know where it came from?

Not sure how I missed yer reply, Glenn, but I'll take a lazy (too ignorant to search) stab
Jefferson?
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 13, 2011, 06:23:40 PM
Sounds like good ideals, but no..... :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Gary O on September 20, 2011, 05:34:05 PM
The older one gets, the more you savor the moment, even reaching back to haul forward to present….
I really enjoyed this, hope you do too

It starts slow, builds...you'll need sound



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vksdBSVAM6g&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Gary O on September 20, 2011, 05:36:11 PM
A pretty good analogy, emailed from a former boss and mentor:

>>When things in your life seem almost too much to handle, when 24 hours in
>>a day are not enough, remember the mayonnaise jar and the coffee. Anyone
>>up for some coffee?! 
>>
>>A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front
>>of him. When the class began, wordlessly, he picked up a very large and
>>empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls.
>>
>>He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was.
>>
>>The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the
>>jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles rolled into the open areas
>>between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was
>>full. They agreed it was.
>>
>>The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of
>>course, the sand filled up everything else. He asked once more if the jar
>>was full. The students responded with an emphatic "yes."
>>
>>The professor then produced two cups of coffee from under the table and
>>poured the entire contents into the jar, effectively filling the empty
>>space between the sand grains. The students laughed.
>>
>>"Now," said the professor, as the laughter subsided, "I want you to
>>recognize that this jar represents your life.
>>
>>The golf balls are the important things. Your family, your children, your
>>faith, your health, your friends, and your favorite passions. Things that
>>if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still
>>be full.
>>
>>The pebbles are the other things that matter. Your job, your house, and
>>your car. The sand is everything else. The small stuff."
>>
>>"If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there is no room
>>for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life. If you spend
>>all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will never have room for
>>the things that are important to you.
>>
>>Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness. Play with
>>your children. Take time to get medical checkups. Take your partner out to
>>dinner. Play another 18. There will always be time to clean the house and
>>fix the disposal. Take care of the golf balls first, the things that
>>really matter. Set your priorities.. The rest is just sand."
>>
>>One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the coffee
>>represented.
>>
>>The professor smiled. "I'm glad you asked. It just goes to show you that
>>no matter how full your life may seem, there's always room for a couple of
>>cups of coffee with a friend."


Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on September 20, 2011, 06:30:44 PM
Always liked that story, good to be reminded  :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: texasgun on September 21, 2011, 07:39:10 PM
Dont fry bacon naked c*
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: MountainDon on September 23, 2011, 05:10:34 AM
A house built to code specified minimum requirements is the worst house you can build and get away with it.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Rob_O on September 27, 2011, 12:56:08 PM
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese

edit: Most of the time...

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Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Gary O on November 03, 2011, 03:23:00 AM
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Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Gary O on November 03, 2011, 03:26:25 AM
An Obituary printed in the London Times.....

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense , who has been with us for many years.
No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.
He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:
- Knowing when to come in out of the rain;
- Why the early bird gets the worm;
- Life isn't always fair;
- and maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place.
Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death, by his parents, Truth and Trust, by his wife, Discretion, by his daughter, Responsibility, and by his son, Reason.

He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers;
I Know My Rights
I Want It Now
Someone Else Is To Blame
I'm A Victim

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 25, 2011, 08:09:10 AM
On February 23, 1954, Senator William Jenner warned in a speech:

“Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government, a bureaucratic elite which believes our Constitution is outmoded.“
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 21, 2012, 02:56:07 PM
"We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes." -- John Swinton -- New York Times -- New York Press Club
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Carla_M on February 05, 2012, 10:41:44 AM
If you loan somebody $20 and never see them again, it was probably worth it!
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 05, 2012, 08:41:50 PM
If you loan somebody $20 and never see them again, it was probably worth it!

Ex SIL..... 2001 as I recall.  Money well spent.  :)
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Carla_M on February 05, 2012, 08:53:44 PM
A religious war is like children fighting over who has the strongest imaginary friend.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Carla_M on February 07, 2012, 11:56:56 AM
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.

( If you are a computer geek. ....)    Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code will be a violent psychopath who knows where you live.

All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.  ;D
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Gary O on February 07, 2012, 03:35:17 PM
When you're on your way to school, and a car drives by and splashes a puddle of water all over you, it's hard to decide if you should go to school like that or try to go home and change and probably be late. So while he was trying to decide, I drove by and splashed him again.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Carla_M on February 08, 2012, 06:20:55 AM
A man on a date wonders if he’ll get lucky. The woman already knows.

Always borrow money from a pessimist. He won’t expect it back.

Behind every great man is a woman rolling her eyes.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on February 08, 2012, 07:00:41 AM
Good ones, Carla  heh heh
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Carla_M on February 10, 2012, 04:26:01 PM
Do not attribute to malice what can as easily be attributed to stupidity.

Even at a Mensa convention someone is the dumbest person in the room.

For every problem there is one solution which is simple, neat and wrong.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: alex trent on February 11, 2012, 06:12:47 PM
"We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes." -- John Swinton -- New York Times -- New York Press Club


Not me
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: alex trent on February 11, 2012, 06:14:31 PM


"A man on a date wonders if he’ll get lucky. The woman already knows."


You would  be surprised at how many are surprised by what happens.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: carroll on February 11, 2012, 08:29:59 PM
OK, this is cheating -- but I love some of the signature lines on here!  The one that always cracks me up is, "Hey, y'all, watch this!"  Talk about a good use of minimalism . . . .

 ;D
carroll
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Carla_M on February 12, 2012, 12:06:30 PM
Be nice to nerds. Chances are you’ll end up working for one.

Be nice to your kids. They’ll choose your nursing home.

Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Carla_M on February 14, 2012, 09:01:53 PM
Don’t argue with a fool. The spectators can’t tell the difference.

Don’t believe everything you think.

How long a minute is depends on what side of the bathroom door you’re on.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 21, 2012, 07:14:04 PM
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Gates Philanthropy.....Here to help you or..... [noidea'
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Carla_M on February 28, 2012, 01:09:01 PM
A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular.

A word to the wise ain’t necessary – it’s the stupid ones that need the advice.

Anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 17, 2012, 07:13:17 PM
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Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Sassy on March 28, 2012, 10:09:56 AM
             Ineptocracy

             (in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the
least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing,
and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves
or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the
confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: mgramann on March 28, 2012, 11:09:53 AM
I like that Sassy.  I quoted it on another forum I belong to.
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Pox Eclipse on March 28, 2012, 01:26:56 PM
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.      ~~Mark Twain  
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 18, 2012, 03:56:22 PM
Quote of the Day...
 
“If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made
that happen.”
 
— US President Barack Obama

Obviously he thinks that... it's just like getting the Nobel Peace Prize.... [noidea'
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: rick91351 on July 19, 2012, 03:54:12 PM
 ??? I am afraid you miss quoted the President of the United States.....

According to his own campaign rebuttal what he actually said was:
 
“If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made
that happen.”
 
— US President Barack Obama

I know they both sound a lot alike but.... ???  So come on Glenn let be fair...........................  [waiting] 

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 21, 2012, 08:44:19 PM
I suppose now people will be wanting me to apologize, Rick... [noidea'

You got me fair and square... but at least you can't play the race card on me because I have tons of African friends.. some from Obama's birthplace in Kenya... [waiting]


What do you have to say about that? ???




OK.. I might have made that last part up... heh
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: rick91351 on July 21, 2012, 09:05:43 PM
I suppose now people will be wanting me to apologize, Rick... [noidea'

You got me fair and square... but at least you can't play the race card on me because I have tons of African friends.. some from Obama's birthplace in Kenya... [waiting]

What do you have to say about that? ???


OK.. I might have made that last part up... heh

Hey I will offer an olive branch lets look at it the other way.

If you've got a business and it tanks, you never tanked it.  Somebody else made it happen!

 [toilet]

Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 05, 2012, 05:02:51 AM
Darn.. I miss ol' Rick....  :(


I was just fishing in the City of Angels... Angels Camp and the Public Works Foreman, Jon Kitchell told me of the best fishing locations he knew... nice guy.

Here is a cool thing their city people have done.... Declared it a Kindness Zone with extra effort made to help kids there.   [cool]

Based on this....

Quote
"Random acts of kindness are those sweet or lovely things we do for no reason except that, momentarily, the best of our humanity has sprung into full bloom. When you spontaneously give a stranger the bouquet of red carnations you had meant to take home to your own dinner table, when you give your lunch to the guitar-playing homeless person who makes music at the corner between your two subway stops, when you anonymously put coins in someone else's parking meter because you see the red "EXPIRED" medallion signaling to the meter maid -you are doing not what life requires of you, but what the best of your human soul invites you to do." (Daphne Rose Kingma, from the book Random Acts of Kindness, by Dawna Markova, Conari Press)

Maybe more of us should implement that policy and see what happens.  :)



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Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: Native_NM on December 25, 2012, 07:07:37 PM
Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 09, 2013, 07:57:56 PM
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Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: DivyaA on June 06, 2015, 02:29:42 AM
First saying in this thread is I think the best saying!
Title: Re: Thought For the Day
Post by: DivyaA on June 08, 2015, 12:15:18 AM
I dont agree with you Gary. Then what is the difference between you and the car driver.
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