http://news.oldva.org/
Americans told to wear masks as swine flu spreads round globe
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6173927.ece
North of the border, in the US, doctors were advising people worried about the illness to buy painters' masks from DIY stores as a precautionary measure.
MAKES SENSE, DOESN'T IT!
The problem is, wearing a mask without an affidavit, not a note or prescription from a Doctor...is a class 6 FELONY in Virginia.
§ 18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in certain places; exceptions.
It shall be unlawful for any person over sixteen years of age while wearing any mask, hood or other device whereby a substantial portion of the face is hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, to be or appear in any public place, or upon any private property in this Commonwealth without first having obtained from the owner or tenant thereof consent to do so in writing. However, the provisions of this section shall not apply to persons (i) wearing traditional holiday costumes; (ii) engaged in professions, trades, employment or other activities and wearing protective masks which are deemed necessary for the physical safety of the wearer or other persons; (iii) engaged in any bona fide theatrical production or masquerade ball; or (iv) wearing a mask, hood or other device for bona fide medical reasons upon the advice of a licensed physician or osteopath and carrying on his person an affidavit from the physician or osteopath specifying the medical necessity for wearing the device and the date on which the wearing of the device will no longer be necessary and providing a brief description of the device. The violation of any provisions of this section shall constitute a Class 6 felony.
(Code 1950, §§ 18.1-364, 18.1-367; 1960, c. 358; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1986, c. 19.)
I brought this up with then Senator Bill Bolling a number of years ago. His answer, "Law enforcement will use good judgment in enforcing this".
Bill is from Hanover...The county that an officer shot and killed a man for DWI. The county that arrested a man for sitting on his front step waiting for his wife. Right Bill.....Good Judgment...this is a felony, not a parking ticket.
Hopefully they will change this idiotic law sometime, but how many people need to become sick or die until they do?
If the CDC or Surgeon General Issue a decree, then it would make Virginia's law moot. Supremacy Clause.
I agree with the senator's response.
Wearing the masks to prevent yourself from getting the pig flu is legal. All you have to do is tell the officer that you are not trying to conceal your identity.
"a substantial portion of the face is hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of the wearer"
This just seems like a law that was made to allow a greater sentencing against criminals.
What if you are a Muslim woman who must wear a Burka?
What do our health care forum members thing about wearing a mask to prevent catching the flu?
I thought that if you are healthy, the most common way to catch a virus is from hand contact and then touching your eyes / nose. I thought that a mask is good for keeping sick people from sneezing all over something, but that a healthy person wearing a mask does not get much benefit.
Anybody know?
Wash your hands a lot! Stay away from those that are ill.
Masks are to reduce the spread of airborne viruses from people who are already infected. A mask will do very little to protect you from becoming infected. Any warning to buy masks is a useless sop to prevent panic. Remember when Homeland Security recommended sealing your house in duct tape and plastic sheeting to protect against terrorist attacks? This is the same thing.
From the CDC...
A flu pandemic is an outbreak caused by a new flu virus that spreads around the world. The virus will spread easily from person to person, mostly through coughing and sneezing. Because the virus is new to people, everyone will be at risk of getting it.
During a flu pandemic, you can use simple actions to help protect yourself and others from becoming sick with the flu. No single action protects completely. If used together, the steps below can help reduce the chances of becoming infected.
• Wash your hands often with soap and water. Use an alcohol-based hand cleaner if soap and water are not available.
• Cover your mouth and nose with a tissue or your arm when you cough and sneeze.
• Stay away from other people if you are ill.
• Avoid crowded places and large gatherings as much as possible.
There may be times during a pandemic when you must be in a crowded setting or in close contact (within 6 feet) with people who might be ill. During such times, the use of a facemask or a respirator might help prevent the spread of pandemic flu.
Very little is known about the benefits of wearing facemasks and respirators to help control the spread of pandemic flu. In the absence of clear science, the steps below offer a "best estimate" to help guide decisions. They will be revised as new information becomes available.
Consider wearing a facemask if
• You are sick with the flu and think you might have close contact with other people.
• You live with someone who has the flu (you therefore might be in the early stages of infection) and need to be in a crowded place. Limit the amount of time you spend in these crowded places and wear a facemask while you are there.
• You are well and do not expect to be in close contact with a sick person but need to be in a crowded place. Limit the amount of time you spend in these crowded places and wear a facemask while you are there.
Consider wearing a respirator if
• You are well and you expect to be in close contact with people who are known or thought to be sick with pandemic flu. Limit the amount of time you are in close contact with these people and wear a respirator during this time. These recommendations apply if you must take care of a sick person at home.
http://www.cdc.gov/features/masksrespirators/ (http://www.cdc.gov/features/masksrespirators/)
Also...
For health care workers exposed to infected patients, N-95 (or higher) respirators are recommended, in conjunction with personal protective equipment (e.g., gloves, gowns, and goggles), standard and droplet precautions, respiratory hygiene, cough etiquette, vaccinations, and early diagnosis and treatment. If supplies of N-95 (or higher) respirators are not available, surgical masks are recommended for patients who are infected to help reduce the potential for spread of virus when these people cough or sneeze.
The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the Department of Labor (DOL) will continue to review and update as needed its public health guidance on the use of masks and respirators by the general public and at-risk workers.
http://www.pandemicflu.gov/faq/pandemicinfluenza/mask.html (http://www.pandemicflu.gov/faq/pandemicinfluenza/mask.html)
Quote from: Sonoran on April 27, 2009, 10:15:08 AM
I agree with the senator's response.
Wearing the masks to prevent yourself from getting the pig flu is legal. All you have to do is tell the officer that you are not trying to conceal your identity.
"a substantial portion of the face is hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of the wearer"
This just seems like a law that was made to allow a greater sentencing against criminals.
You have more faith in Police Officers than I do Sonorian.
And Squirl, in order to supercede Virginia law, it would either take an emergency order from the Governor or martial law from the President.
Even if the police officer arrests you in a manner that is not lawful. You are innocent until proven guilty. You may go before a judge or jury, I'm not sure what crime determines judge or jury. But you can tell them there was an outbreak of the swine flu, I was wearing a dust mask!! I'm sure they wouldn't make the same mistake as the police officer.
Quote from: Sonoran on April 27, 2009, 08:28:37 PM
Even if the police officer arrests you in a manner that is not lawful. You are innocent until proven guilty. You may go before a judge or jury, I'm not sure what crime determines judge or jury. But you can tell them there was an outbreak of the swine flu, I was wearing a dust mask!! I'm sure they wouldn't make the same mistake as the police officer.
Sure...that's true, and naive!
You could probably beat it but remember, we're talking about a felony. Your life gets put on hold for the next six months, you spend 5 or 6 grand for a lawyer and you still have to go to the expense of having it expunged from your record assuming you do win.
What a price for a stupid Byrd era law designed to keep the Klan at bay.
The law is here and the Klan is here and the honest people are the only ones who pay any attention to it.
It's another case of a law enacted with good intentions that comes home to hit the innocent with unexpected consequences. The more laws that are made, the more that happens and that stinks.
That law needs repealing, swine flu or no swine flu.
PN: Is this a law that is regularly enforced in your area? Or is a law that the cops only use to prevent the Klan from practicing?
I ask if it is regularly enforced because I've heard about lots of strange laws that were made back in the day, but are forgotten and not enforced, yet still in the books.
Here's an example: Up until the 1970's it was legal to kill Mormons in Missouri because of the Mormon extermination order issued by Govenor Lilburn W. Boggs
But I know there are many strange laws, this is the only one I could think of. I know that even though it was legal to kill Mormons, no one would, of course. It's just one of those laws that no one pays attention to.
The problem with laws that are not generally enforced or ones that nobody pays attention to is that if some dxxk-head officer does arrest you for it, that causes un-necessary trouble for you. Even an arrest with a dismissal can lead to problems.
When I was completing forms, being probed medically and generally jumping through hoops on command, to be legally admitted to the USA as as Permanent Resident Alien, one of the questions was "have you ever been
arrested". A Yes answer meant more paperwork had to be comleted, more investigation would have to be done and the process would take longer and could provide grounds to refuse entry.
QuoteHere's an example: Up until the 1970's it was legal to kill Mormons in Missouri because of the Mormon extermination order issued by Govenor Lilburn W. Boggs
But I know there are many strange laws, this is the only one I could think of. I know that even though it was legal to kill Mormons, no one would, of course.
"no one would, of course". How do you resolve the 1857 Mountain Meadows Massacre with that? Of course this happened in UT, not MO. But all the same 120 Mormons were killed by people who basically did not like them. They had actually surrendered, then were slaughtered. Odd that it didn't happen more in MO if it was legal there.
But I guess I digress or stretch the point.
I hope that law has been rescinded.
So where you original from MD?
The reason it didn't happen in Missouri is because the saints didn't stick around very long after the extermination order was issued.
I don't see why the would have wanted to stay around before it was issued.
And honestly, I don't know a lot about the Mormon Meadow Massacre. I know that PBS did a history of the Mormon Church and it was included. I just want to let anyone who saw that program know that I was upset by it for the following reasons: The two main points of the show were Polygamy and the mormon meadow massacre. The majority of the commentary was by Non-LDS members and any LDS commentary wasn't supplemental to the main points of the show.
I'm reading a Biography of Joseph Smith and I'm sure that I will come across it in my reading eventually.
Oh, I had to come back and Modify. I just remembered something. When I said, "no one would of course," I was refering to recent times. 1900-1970ish
Yes, this is enforced often enough to cause concern. There have been cases of people threatened with arrest for not removing their full face helmets while paying for gas.
I had to remind a bicycle cop last winter, that wearing a balaclava was illegal. There is no exception for law enforcement. Poor fellow looked like Rudolph at the end of the day without it. ;D
CDC to mix avian, human flu viruses in pandemic study
Robert Roos * News Editor
Jan 14, 2004 (CIDRAP News) – One of the worst fears of infectious disease experts is that the H5N1 avian influenza virus now circulating in parts of Asia will combine with a human-adapted flu virus to create a deadly new flu virus that could spread around the world.
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/jan1404hybrids.html
also http://www.rense.com/general85/wicked.htm
Quote from: MountainDon on April 27, 2009, 11:58:02 PM
The problem with laws that are not generally enforced or ones that nobody pays attention to is that if some dxxk-head officer does arrest you for it, that causes un-necessary trouble for you. Even an arrest with a dismissal can lead to problems.
When I was completing forms, being probed medically and generally jumping through hoops on command, to be legally admitted to the USA as as Permanent Resident Alien, one of the questions was "have you ever been arrested". A Yes answer meant more paperwork had to be comleted, more investigation would have to be done and the process would take longer and could provide grounds to refuse entry.
QuoteHere's an example: Up until the 1970's it was legal to kill Mormons in Missouri because of the Mormon extermination order issued by Govenor Lilburn W. Boggs
But I know there are many strange laws, this is the only one I could think of. I know that even though it was legal to kill Mormons, no one would, of course.
"no one would, of course". How do you resolve the 1857 Mountain Meadows Massacre with that? Of course this happened in UT, not MO. But all the same 120 Mormons were killed by people who basically did not like them. They had actually surrendered, then were slaughtered. Odd that it didn't happen more in MO if it was legal there.
But I guess I digress or stretch the point.
I hope that law has been rescinded.
The funny thing about facts is they can really mess up a story if you get them WRONG! d* The Mountain Meadows Massacre was "BY" Mormons on a westward bound wagon train from Arkansas!
The Mountain Meadows Massacre
In 1857, Alexander Fancher and John T. Baker loaded 140 men, women, and children into 40 wagons at Caravan Springs in northwest Arkansas and headed west. They were more than halfway through their journey to California on September 7, when they set up camp for the night in Mountain Meadows in the southwestern corner of Utah. Then the emigrants were brutally attacked, and all but 17 children were killed. Who attacked the group is an ongoing debate, but historical accounts tell of a combined force of local Mormon militia and Paiute Indians. Executed in 1877, Mormon Bishop John D. Lee was the only person punished for the crime. A photograph taken at the time shows him sitting on his own coffin.
Sorry Don, Just a little cut & paste editing and you should be fine! c*
If I remember correctly, cordwood, the Mountain Meadows Massacre was ordered by Brigham Young. Have you heard this as well?
OOOOPS! I guess that's how false rumors get started. I had it all right except "who done it". Thanks guys
d* d* d* d* d* d* d* d* d*
Quote from: StinkerBell on April 28, 2009, 12:05:29 AM
So where you original from MD?
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
Home of/famous for...
Randy Bachman, musician, (The Guess Who) & Bachman-Turner Overdrive (BTO)
Burton Cummings, musician, (The Guess Who)
Fred Turner, musician, Bachman-Turner Overdrive (BTO), childhood & high school friend
Anna Paquin, actress
The Crash Test Dummies, musicians
Terry Sawchuk, NHL goalie
David Steinberg, actor, comedian
Sir William Stephenson (aka Intrepid), spy, man on whom the character of James Bond is based
Neil Young, musician (raised in Winnipeg but not born there
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers, 10 times Canadian Football League Champion
Winnipeg Goldeye (smoked fish; excellent), fresh pickerel fillets from Lake Winnipeg to the north, Fort Garry Brewery (I miss their Frontier Pilsner), Ray & Jerry's Steakhouse, the Bridge Drive Inn (best milkshakes and soft ice cream ever!) and Juniors Drive In (best french fries in the world and a chili dog to kill for).
Sam the Cameraman, the best damn camera store in town, now demised.
Gateway to the North, superb fishing, polar bears, moose hunts...
And presently the city ranked 4th highest in Canada for overall crime, and the highest rate among cities with populations greater than 500,000.
Anything else you'd like to know. :)
i just heard a dr. on tv say the masks don't do any good if you wear them except if an infected person sneezes directly at you or it can stop some spread if an infected person sneezes into a mask they are wearing. except for large droplets, they are basically useless. infection goes right through the masks. maybe sassy has an update on this.
oops, looks like i should have read ahead.
You're right about the masks being ineffective, apaknad. When we have people who are actively coughing, we have them wear those little blue masks yu se everyone wearing, so they don't spread the infection. MtnDon had a good posting that went over a lot of good info.
When we have to go into isolation rooms to take care of people with tuberculosis, we wear a N95 mask - that is supposed to protect us... hopefully it does - I've never had a positive TB test in over 24 yrs (nursing school clinical, student nursing & as an RN). We have to get checked every 6 mo's.
I really think this is a manufactured scare - here are some more links
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LR454443.htm
http://www.naturalnews.com/025760.html
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13554
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/books/04/02/lab.257/
http://spitfirelist.com/?p=106
Draw your own conclusions...
Quote from: MountainDon on April 28, 2009, 09:55:40 AM
Quote from: StinkerBell on April 28, 2009, 12:05:29 AM
So where you original from MD?
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
Home of/famous for...
Randy Bachman, musician, (The Guess Who) & Bachman-Turner Overdrive (BTO)
Burton Cummings, musician, (The Guess Who)
Fred Turner, musician, Bachman-Turner Overdrive (BTO), childhood & high school friend
Anna Paquin, actress
The Crash Test Dummies, musicians
Terry Sawchuk, NHL goalie
David Steinberg, actor, comedian
Sir William Stephenson (aka Intrepid), spy, man on whom the character of James Bond is based
Neil Young, musician (raised in Winnipeg but not born there
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers, 10 times Canadian Football League Champion
Winnipeg Goldeye (smoked fish; excellent), fresh pickerel fillets from Lake Winnipeg to the north, Fort Garry Brewery (I miss their Frontier Pilsner), Ray & Jerry's Steakhouse, the Bridge Drive Inn (best milkshakes and soft ice cream ever!) and Juniors Drive In (best french fries in the world and a chili dog to kill for).
Sam the Cameraman, the best damn camera store in town, now demised.
Gateway to the North, superb fishing, polar bears, moose hunts...
And presently the city ranked 4th highest in Canada for overall crime, and the highest rate among cities with populations greater than 500,000.
Anything else you'd like to know. :)
This explains a few things......
My next door neighbor in Washington state was Randy Bachman - we lived on H St road that was the last road running parrallel to the border - I could walk out back a 1/4 mile & go across the border... H St ran from the Guide Meridian to Blaine.
He built a great big mansion on the property next to where I lived (of course his house was a lot nicer than mine [waiting] Never did ever go over to meet the neighbors - should've... d*
Quote from: StinkerBell on April 28, 2009, 10:58:37 AM
This explains a few things......
Well, I'm happy about that, but wonder what it expalins?
??? ???
I have made comments about Nethog's h1b1 and his resident alien card and some of the drama that goes with it and you seem to totally understand. Did you know that seeing that Nethog is not a citizen but a resident alien and if he is caught holding a fire arm (like my 12 gage) he can be kicked out of the country....Now he can for a FEE file a permit form but it makes us so angry when someone has jumped through all the hoops legally yet a gang banger here illegally who has a fire arm gets special treatment.
I know there are differences in Resident Alien cards that are issued, but I do not know why. My card was issued in 1985 in Canada. It was permanent, no expiration date. We had a woman from the UK work for us a few years ago. Her card had an expiration date; she was married to a US Citizen same as I was and still am. I have wondered why the difference but have no idea if it was because of country of origin, date of application, or my own good looks. ???
The prohibition against nethog touching or possessing a firearm has me puzzled. I am aware that persons who are aliens and are illegally or unlawfully in the United States are prohibited from receiving a firearm; as are individuals who have been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa, e.g., aliens traveling temporarily in the United States for business or pleasure, students who maintain a residence abroad or aliens who are temporary foreign workers. Is he in one of those classes? Certainly he is not a druggie, or been judged mentally defective (by someone other than you Stink, that is) ;D and any of those disqualifiers.
Info from the FBI at...
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/nicsindex.htm (http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/nicsindex.htm)
or here...
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/nicsfact.htm (http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/nicsfact.htm)
He is a regular Resident Alien married to US Citizen (that is me!). He has been told by immigration and I believe an immigration lawyer the same thing. Even one of the questions on my application last weekend at Cabela's asked if I was a citizen or not, did not offer if I was a resident. I believe at one point Hog had the specific code. I will ask him if he recalls it.
So I am sitting here with Hog and he has mentioned that the regulation is Washington State specific. He is looking up the code.
Quote from: StinkerBell on April 28, 2009, 09:19:45 PM
So I am sitting here with Hog and he has mentioned that the regulation is Washington State specific.
AAAAAH! WA state liberals strike again.
Right, the form simply asks if you are a US Citizen and if not, then what country. I always stated citizen of Canada and then filled in my A# in the blank provided. I never received an instant Yes, or No for that matter. The Yes, always came within 3 hours though. Except for back when there was no computer system. Then it took the 3 days allowed by the Brady Act.
Well he was looking it up. He is now distracted with NetHogJr.
RCW 9.41.170
Class C felony.
Well, we don't need one of those. >:(
That totally sucks!!!!!!!!!!!
Interesting link... NRA legal action. Opens a PDF document
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.saf.org%2Flegal.action%2Fwa.alien.resident.lawsuit%2Fwa.alien.resident.complaint.pdf&ei=bOT3ScfdNJ_ktQPdkNnlDg&usg=AFQjCNGIq_SyyCoDTOm_rQYyvFujY07lgg&sig2=ESNMQ4MQSNQ5zmXNOHp8Ig (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.saf.org%2Flegal.action%2Fwa.alien.resident.lawsuit%2Fwa.alien.resident.complaint.pdf&ei=bOT3ScfdNJ_ktQPdkNnlDg&usg=AFQjCNGIq_SyyCoDTOm_rQYyvFujY07lgg&sig2=ESNMQ4MQSNQ5zmXNOHp8Ig)
I guess we pretty well hijacked this topic. Peter won't mind though. :D
Guess I'll bring it back on topic...
Breaking News
Mexico Reports 159 Swine Flu Deaths
Container of swine virus explodes on Swiss train
Yesterday, 09:39 am
Reuters
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090428/twl-uk-flu-swiss-accident-sb-a7cf3b4.html
???
About the Meadows Massacre: It wasn't mormons killed, correct, but you can't state that Brigham Young order the massacre, either. That is what the controversy previously mentioned is about --Who did it and was it ordered or not. Fact is, we don't know. If the mormons did do it, I'm sure it wasn't under the direction of the prophet (our religion doesn't allow preemtive/offensive attacks, even from writings back then). That said, it isn't hard for me at all to see a group of people on their own, who had led such a life, being beaten, raped, killed, driven from their lands and all they knew/owned, over and over and over with no government willing to protect them -all because of religious persecution- now in a strange dessert where they think they are finally going to be left alone (which they weren't) doing such a thing out of fear or even hatred/revenge (even if revenge didn't apply, transferrance is common). I'm sure there were a number that came through the persecution (that word just doesn't even do it justice) better, stronger people, and like every other group of people who suffer such, many who weren't quite right afterwards or who became bitter, hateful, or began to emulate those who had caused them to suffer.
I just didn't want it left sitting as fact that Brigham Young ordered the massacre when there isn't proof of such. ETA: Sorry to take it back off-topic again! Moving on...
I can't help but wonder if it is fake, if not atleast being played up heavily. Look at the bird flu nonsense. Wash your hands and cook your food and you're fine. Just trying to sell vaccines? No idea, really, but the more scared we are, the more willing we are to give up our freedoms in the sake of security.
akemt,
Thanks for clearing up your position. Nuff said.
Quote from: MountainDon on April 28, 2009, 08:24:37 PM
I know there are differences in Resident Alien cards that are issued, but I do not know why. My card was issued in 1985 in Canada. It was permanent, no expiration date. We had a woman from the UK work for us a few years ago. Her card had an expiration date; she was married to a US Citizen same as I was and still am. I have wondered why the difference but have no idea if it was because of country of origin, date of application, or my own good looks. ???
The prohibition against nethog touching or possessing a firearm has me puzzled. I am aware that persons who are aliens and are illegally or unlawfully in the United States are prohibited from receiving a firearm; as are individuals who have been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa, e.g., aliens traveling temporarily in the United States for business or pleasure, students who maintain a residence abroad or aliens who are temporary foreign workers. Is he in one of those classes? Certainly he is not a druggie, or been judged mentally defective (by someone other than you Stink, that is) ;D and any of those disqualifiers.
Info from the FBI at...
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/nicsindex.htm (http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/nicsindex.htm)
or here...
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/nicsfact.htm (http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/nicsfact.htm)
Re: the temporary green card issue. When DH and I married, it took about a year and a half to finally get him a temporary green card, which was good for two years, and provided we were still married at the end of that period, he got a permanent one and then moved on to citizenship. According to the INS interviewer, it was because of the frequency of "marriages" that really weren't just to get residency... it was kind of funny because here we were with a newborn by the time he got the temp green card, and the interviewer just kind of laughed because it was obvious we hadn't married for the "green card only" purpose.
Quote from: Homegrown Tomatoes on April 29, 2009, 11:47:16 AM
Quote from: MountainDon on April 28, 2009, 08:24:37 PM
I know there are differences in Resident Alien cards that are issued, but I do not know why. My card was issued in 1985 in Canada. It was permanent, no expiration date. We had a woman from the UK work for us a few years ago. Her card had an expiration date; she was married to a US Citizen same as I was and still am. I have wondered why the difference but have no idea if it was because of country of origin, date of application, or my own good looks. ???
The prohibition against nethog touching or possessing a firearm has me puzzled. I am aware that persons who are aliens and are illegally or unlawfully in the United States are prohibited from receiving a firearm; as are individuals who have been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa, e.g., aliens traveling temporarily in the United States for business or pleasure, students who maintain a residence abroad or aliens who are temporary foreign workers. Is he in one of those classes? Certainly he is not a druggie, or been judged mentally defective (by someone other than you Stink, that is) ;D and any of those disqualifiers.
Info from the FBI at...
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/nicsindex.htm (http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/nicsindex.htm)
or here...
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/nicsfact.htm (http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/nicsfact.htm)
Re: the temporary green card issue. When DH and I married, it took about a year and a half to finally get him a temporary green card, which was good for two years, and provided we were still married at the end of that period, he got a permanent one and then moved on to citizenship. According to the INS interviewer, it was because of the frequency of "marriages" that really weren't just to get residency... it was kind of funny because here we were with a newborn by the time he got the temp green card, and the interviewer just kind of laughed because it was obvious we hadn't married for the "green card only" purpose.
When Nethog went in for his green card we had our baby. Who just pooped his diaper. We looked at each other and at the same time said "Your Turn" The INS agent said "Oh, you two are indeed married!" I had to sign off on paper work saying that for the next 10 Years I am responsible for Nethog even if we divorce. If he divorces me and goes on welfare I am going to billed. My ten years is almost up! :heh
Stink, you reminded me of something. At the time we were applying to make the move to the USA neither of us had any job prospects. K's father had to sign a similar promise to keep us off government welfare. I don't recall if there was a time limit, but he's been off the hook for 3 years now.
Sad thing is I could have killed him and done less time. :heh
Quote from: Sassy on April 28, 2009, 10:19:51 AM
I really think this is a manufactured scare - here are some more links
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LR454443.htm
http://www.naturalnews.com/025760.html
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13554
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/books/04/02/lab.257/
http://spitfirelist.com/?p=106
Draw your own conclusions...
I do agree that this seems a bit out of proportion yet. Only time will tell. So far it just seems like a new strain of the flu. I heard on the news that the flu currently kills over 35,000 people a year in this country. I have not heard much that this virus is deadlier than the current flu.
But it remains that it is unusual to see a new strain become active at this time of year. Normally flu season is winding down.