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Title: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 25, 2007, 04:34:07 PM

Well I think I finally made it. At least one anyway. 

This is the area that I am building my Dogtrot log cabin on the WV & VA state line. The photograph is to the east(Virginia) and you are looking at my closest neighbor. Probably 2 air miles and 3-4 road miles. Actually my house is closer than my neighbor(a neighbor I can get along with) for now. I had hoped to include a couple of photographs daily to catch up on the current status of my project.  It will not take that long ( to catch you up)as I am doing 75-90% of the work myself.







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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on November 25, 2007, 04:58:40 PM
Yeah John!! :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 25, 2007, 05:04:11 PM
Glad you were able to git er done.  :)

That's plenty close for neighbors, but I always like to make an extra effort to get on good terms with them.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 25, 2007, 05:18:53 PM
Now if I can just figure out a way to post more than one picture without installing additional software.  I could only copy one photo at a time and paste.  Without the software that was mentioned I have to copy it from Photobucket then go to the forum and paste then narrate what it is.because I loose my page when switching back and worth. Got to be an easier way. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 25, 2007, 05:29:11 PM
This is the entrance to the property off of a Forrest Service road.  The Virginia line is along the right side of the driveway. It is a little steep (18% grade)  but is not that bad.  The culvert head was done in that manner to blend in with the rest of the culverts along the 6 mile stretch of the road which were done by the CCC  many years ago.  To make it match the opposite end was done in the same manner although it serves no real purpose as for diversion as the upstream end was done.  The entrance is 24' wide to enable a double gate and allow for larger vehicles to enter.


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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on November 25, 2007, 05:54:11 PM
I like the rockwork in the culvert - beautiful country - looks like you're way out there!  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 25, 2007, 06:23:29 PM
There are a few ways I can think of to do it.

The easiest way is a tabbed browser such as Firefox -I usually have around 35 windows (websites) open at once- I think IE may have tabs now and Opera will do it.  Open Photobucket in one tab and Countryplans in another.  Copy the bottom IMG link from under your photo to your Countryplans reply -paste it in then narrate that one-

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Message still open switch to Photobucket copy the second link - switch to Countryplans tab -- paste

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You could enter many pictures in one message in that way.

or you can copy the links to a simple text file on your computer then paste them into Countryplans,

or if you don't have tabs you can open two Internet Explorers, one with Countryplans and one with Photobucket and paste back and forth without losing your page on either. :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on November 25, 2007, 06:54:42 PM
If you use Internet Explorer and don't want to mess around with changing to Firefox, do like Glenn said and open two separate IE windows. You can then easily Alt+Tab between the two.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 25, 2007, 06:55:49 PM
As you can see the ground isn't much better digging than on the east coast as it is on the west coast.  I started in May/06 with the road and site clearing.  Probably got about 8-10 cords of firewood out of the trees that I had to remove.  Still left the ones on the exterior which had a prominent lean away from the house site.  Got to digging the footings in June and then the block later that month.  Like I said before I couldn't get a wooden stake int he ground so I had to set up cut up bed rail & rebar for batter boards. The rail also had to be used to secure the forms for the step footings((3).  Will try to post some more tomorrow eve as my mother has surgery in AM in Roanoke VA(2hr drive @0600.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 25, 2007, 07:00:25 PM
If I hang around long enough I might learn something.  I left myself open for that one didn't I d*
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 25, 2007, 07:17:13 PM
PEG started out like you-- now he's a pro. :)

Soon it will be no problem.  You are doing good. [cool]

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 25, 2007, 07:19:07 PM
The ground here is as hard also-- I use the jack hammer to drive the stakes direct - if I don't want them to come out.

Hope all goes well with the surgery.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 27, 2007, 12:17:11 PM
This is actually the beginning of the project.  The two shells used to construct the dogtrot.  With a interesting story behind.  Originally I had put a deposit on two shells from one individual at the same location.  The were comprable in depth so they would easily fit the same foundation.  Prior to getting them moved the owner called and stated that someone during his absence had stolen the small cabin.   :( Well back to square one.  So I had to round me up another small cabin to put with the big one.  I did manage to find one but the problem was it was only 16' deep and the larger cabin was 18' deep.  Chainsaw time.  I ended up cutting the larger cabin from 18' to 16' to match.  Doesn't sound too bad huh.  In doing so I had to cut two walls of logs with the A or V notch that matched.  Real chore.  But it had to be done. 

Another obsticle is the cabins sill logs ran the wrong way for my foundation (16') rather than front and back.  So I had to drop the sill log which lowered the cabin heigth by one log.  Then to give me a good starting sill log on a foundation deck I ended up using a Alaskan Saw Mill to cut the bottom of the sill logs to lay on the foundation.  Other wise if I left the sill logs in their original location you would have had to jump over them walking from one room to another. ;)

If you will notice that lowered the heigth of the windows down.  Oh Well you can't have your cake and eat it too.  You might also notice that the living room cabin was a two story originally.  The shells had sit outside and the very top logs were not in that good of shape.  In addition I needed some extra logs.  Se the Kitchen cabin was shorter than the living room cabin. I used the extra living room cabin logs to add to the heigth of the kitchen.

Now can you see why this has taken me sooooo long.



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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on November 27, 2007, 12:29:34 PM
....someone during his absence had stolen the small cabin.   
At least the guilty party didn't burn them both down. I've seen vandals do that out here in the west, NM, UT, CO.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 27, 2007, 01:04:54 PM
No they were pretty slick. They could not reach the top logs to disassemble so they took a chain saw and cut on both ends above a doorway entrance and the other a fireplace location(In it's past life). That allowed the cabin to fall. Then they loaded them and I suspect they had them milled out as they were all wormy chestnut.  I let got ahold of the boys in the tall hats to watch over the big cabin until I got it moved the next day.  The only problem was that I wasn't ready for them and had to haul them to the farm and off load. Then when I was ready had to load them back up and haul them to the mountain.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: desdawg on November 28, 2007, 04:09:04 AM
Just curious, if the state line runs through your property do you have a lot of confusion with the tax collectors? If you had put half the dogtrot on each side of the line would they fight over the bathrooom?  d*
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 28, 2007, 07:27:29 AM
I like the cabin -- looks [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on November 28, 2007, 08:04:31 AM
A nice thing about having the windows lower is when you are sitting, you can see out!  It's great to see how you have saved the cabins & are using them for your own!   [cool]  Probably lots of history there  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 28, 2007, 05:08:21 PM
desdawg

The virginia line is along one side of the property(property line).  It is the National Forrest so I will never have to worry about anyone ever building there. Got the view and don't have to pay for it.  As far as the bathroom goes. Sometimes I go in WV and sometimes in VA.  Depends on where the sun is at the time. ;) I built the cabin within 30 feet of that line for the view looking east.  But the line is really irregular in that it is regulated by the watershed on the ridge top. Which everway the water would runoff that dictates which state you are in.  Really confusing for the hunters in that area.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 28, 2007, 05:27:58 PM
Well time is moving along. It is August/06 and the foundation is done and the floor decking is down.  One thing nice to work with is Advantex subfloor. When you have a prolonged project such as mine you appreciate the subfloor to withstand the elements without warping and seperating.  It is sometime before I can get a roof in place so this is the way to go.

You will notice that I do have part of the deck covered in plastic.  That is just to keep water from getting into my flu.  I have to pour a concrete cap at the floor level to continue on up through the first floor and up to the roof. 

Well I did manage to pour a cap on the flu. I didn't look forward to hand mixing the concrete needed by hand. The flu is 30" X 72" and incorporates three individual flu liners. Gas Hot water in the basement, fireplace in the living room and wood cook stove in the kitchen.  Another example of scrounging around. I found  the state was pouring concrete within a couple miles of the house on a new bridge.  I asked the guy if they ever had an extra concrete.  He said they usually don't have very much but I was welcome if they had any extra.  They usually just send it back by the truck and it is dumped at the concrete plant.  They gave me the time they anticipated their next and final pour and I was there.  They did have some which he said was a little over 2-3 wheel borrow loads. GREAT.  I was only going to pour 6-8" cap.  As it turned out I poured a 10" cap to the floor level and it cost me $20.  That was just a tip for the driver as it was out of his way and he was nice enough to come up there and do it.  As it turned out I wish I would have had some other places to put it as he had that much more. d*





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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 28, 2007, 05:42:15 PM
Well it is now the last of August and I am finally getting the logs set.  Everything goes pretty good if you stick with the catalog numbers as far as the sequence.  Did sort of get things messed up when I had to pick up the larger cabin and drop off and pick up again.  Now my bottom logs were on the bottom of the pile instead of the the top. Well I just laid them all out and went to it in order.  Set all but 5 logs with my tractor and a "pig pole". A little longer and heavier than the standard one though.  It was home made of 4" pipe with a 3" pipe inside to slide out. Had 12' of reach. and could get to all four sides.  But then I ran out of reach on the basement end with two logs and the back with three logs.  Had to call a friend.  He had a "High Lift" 4-wheel drive with an extend- a- boom.  Set those from the front with no problem. Had 25' of reach and 35' of heigth.  Nothing is free though.  Had to haul it about 25 miles one way and with the return trip it cost $250.  But I had it almost three weeks. 

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 28, 2007, 05:43:36 PM
[cool] and nice pix posting.:)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 28, 2007, 05:51:18 PM
Glenn if you haven't got a pig pole it would be well worth your time to make one.  This one that I used was a 8' piece of 4" and then a 4' piece of 3" inside the end that could be out or slid inside the other and then a bolt that locked it into what ever length you need.  Used a end bolt to secure the chain hook.  They welded a plate and a couple of gussets for strength on the end that allowed for a fork lift fork to slid inside the end.  Easy on and easy off.  Real handy for log work or anyting high.  It would work good on your bobcat.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 28, 2007, 05:57:02 PM
It would be pretty handy, but I have a couple other toys. :-\

I have 2 Lull 8000# 35' reach lifts  -- A 41 foot knuckle boom on a Kenworth -- I don't use it often, and I have a 31' 10000 lb knuckle boom on a Hino truck.  The pig pole would be great for the Bobcat though as you say -- sometimes the big stuff won't fit in the tight spots.  I want to make a set of forks for it someday too.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 28, 2007, 06:18:43 PM
Sassy

I have a little history already.  The small cabin is civil war era and it had 10,000 carpet tacks probably older than me that I removed from the inside.  A strange thing.  The gentleman that drilled my water well was the grandson of one of the owners that purchased it around 1890 and it was already erected when it bought it.

The large one I think must have been a barn in one of it's former lives and later tirned into a house ( Just cut window openings and fireplace opening) as it had rings nailed to the inside that they used to tie horse, mules or animals up to on the walls.  I will get more info later on this one.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 28, 2007, 06:50:04 PM
Here is a couple views you might enjoy.  The mountain pictures is just 1/2 mile from the cabin and about 400 ft more in elevation.

The sunrise is from my front door in October.

The other is my front door  about the same time.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 28, 2007, 07:01:54 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on November 28, 2007, 08:38:12 PM
Gorgeous views & very nice home!  Thanks for the history - how neat  [cool]  Keep us updated when you find out any more.  What did you do with the tacks? 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 29, 2007, 02:34:26 AM
The tacks, cut nails and other nails removed went to Virginia.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 29, 2007, 05:31:59 AM
We are in gold country so things started happening here around 1849 -- except for the Mexican miners who were here first, but we don't feel too bad because we stole it from them, because they stole it from the Indians.

The cut nails give me a method of estimating whether a find was from pre 1890 or later as they started making wire nails in 1890.  Fun stuff :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 29, 2007, 06:14:18 PM


Well now it is the end of 9/06 and all the log walls are set.  I am still waiting for the masons to come and do the flu (only completed to the floor level).  Promise after Promise and still no blocks being laid.  If it wasn't for the fact that there are only two masons in the county I would have fired them long ago.  Oh well I still have work to do.  I sort of went at it backwards and laid off the rafters and then started on both ends and worked to the middle.  I left the middle open enough to allow for scaffolding when building the flue. If it was a shingle roof I would have probably went ahead and built the roof and cut through for the flue but since it was metal I didn't think that would work so well and would have to have built something to work off of on the 10/12 pitch. It was probbaly built better the way I did it as least to a structural strength point of view. Yes that meant that I had to splice the ridge on three places which I did to meet the flue.  I worked on framing the back room(bedroom and master bath)  and run the rafters to the point of the valleys and had to stop because I still had no flue.  All Ridge beams intersected in the flue.

Finally on 11/10 they showed up and started with the flue, firbox and etc.. And they finished on Sunday or should I saw one of them and me. They laid all but the remaining 4 feet and said they would be back the week after deer season. I told them not if they wanted to get paid for the job.  This was on the Thursday the week before season.  After a very lengthly discussion one of the boys said he would finish if I would mix mud and carry blocks. So Now I had it finished.  Had to take the mornings off the next week to take my 11 YOA hunting but he helped in the afternoons and we filled the cavity with stone and managed to pour the concrete cap.  Do you know how many 5 gallon buckets of gravel it takes to fill a flue that size which we hoisted up with a rope and pulley.  Several tons I know.

Now I had the splice ridge boards into the flu pockets.  Next little detail was at what point do they intersect to work out the valley rafters.  Well it was beyond me as I always had that intersection visually but now it was hidden inside the flue.  Well a neighbor builds house came up to help me out and in a matter of about 10-15 minutes he was calling out figures and I was cutting and had it built within an hour or so. Crisis averted.

Sorry I didn't get any pictures of this process as it was a busy time give the latenes of the year and the push to get it covered before winter. But these pictures will show the completed walls.



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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 29, 2007, 06:22:53 PM
Just a little thing about the scenes I posted with the mountain range.  How come the Goverment ends up with all the good land. ???  This would be a wonderful place to have a house but it is National Forest. I guess it is good in a way as my son and daughters will have the same view for years to come.  But I have good views as well once some of their trees get the Husky disease.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 29, 2007, 06:33:35 PM
Quote
The foundation of this nation was real property ownership.  That's why the settlers came here.  To insure private ownership of land, the nation's founding fathers made it unlawful for government to own land except for the ten square miles of Washington D.C., and such as may be needed for erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings. (The Constitution)

http://www.teamlaw.org/land.htm
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 30, 2007, 04:22:32 PM
I don't know if anyone caught the difference in elevation on the cabins.  Maybe the pictures don't really show but there was some.  With log cabins it is very hard to keep all four corners at the same elevation because of the difference in the logs.  Well Normally on a standard one room there were four corners.  But with two cabins I had eight corners that had to be level or the roof would have been out.  Short of using a chalk line then removing and then using the sawmil to cut them level I thought of another idea. Sort of off the wall but it worked.  I used 2X8 and sandwiched the top log which I could move up or down depending on the elevation as I went. Once that was done I used a 2X10 as a plate over the log and the 2X8.  Now I had a level surface to rest the rafters on. Oh I forgot to mention there was 5-1/2" difference between the highest and lowest corners.

Well I managed to get it sheeted and the Titanium Felt on before the winter set in. A great product. As you can see winter is starting to arrive here now 1/9/07, A little late this year but I am not complaining.  I might have gotten to work a week then the big one came.  The road turned to ice and it wasn't worth trying to haul everything up on the tractor and battle the elements.  So I didn't work on the cabin from 1/19 - 3/15.

I was still busy in the garage though staining the 2X6 TG which I will use for the flooring on the two lofts. I decided it would be easier to do both sides before installing.  The bottom side or the "v" grove side was done in  a pickle white wash finish which will be the ceiling of the downstairs room and the top side was done in a walnut stain which will be the floor for the loft.  They will sit on 4X6 ceiling beams which were done in Walnut also. Another reason I did it in this manner was that it would be easier to finish the ceiling not having to work between the beams.  And doing the floor later there might be a chance that it would weep through to the ceiling.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on November 30, 2007, 05:47:55 PM
I'm enjoying seeing this as it comes/came together.

Thanks for the posts and photos, John.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 30, 2007, 06:12:53 PM
That is really looking nice, John.  It is really great that this piece of history can live again. [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: desdawg on December 01, 2007, 04:31:46 AM
I like it John! I can see the challenges of making things match up but it is looking good.  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CWhite on December 01, 2007, 07:22:24 AM
That is going to be such a fine looking place.  With your views, and the preserved history, you'll certainly have a dream home.
I'll look forward to watching the progress as well. 
Christina
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 03, 2007, 11:21:37 AM
Well as you see I hit spring with a bang.  Sheeting the addition, installing the board and batten on the room and the gable ends.  Working soffit on the overhangs' birdboxes and the like.  Also installed the metal roof. Well into the swing of things by the time summer finally rolled into place.  Plan on starting the log chinking soon.  This is a time taking venture (inside and out).

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 04, 2007, 04:26:22 PM
Well it's into mid-summer and I have put it off long enough.  When I cleared the lot off for the cabin I de-stumped the trees and bull dozed all of the trees up into a huge pile.  Besides I needed to get the wood worked up so it would have enough time to dry for firewood.  Generally I like to leave firewood cure for at least a year. But with everything that has been going on with the cabin I hadn't had time.  So my son and I took a week and cut and split up about 8 -16' trailer loads of firewood and hauled them to the house and stacked it up.

Next my attention went to the basement.  Where after three days of pick and mattock work in the shale I managed to get the sewer lines in place.  Probably a little extra work but I laid out a toilet in the basement.  Nothing more handy (have it in my house basement)and it keeps the wife from saying" Your tracking all that dirt inside".  In addition I placed a drain at the location where the hot water and pressure tank would be placed so that winterization of the cabin could be achieved with one line to the drain.

Well like most concrete companies the minimum yardage is now 4 cu yds.  So I decided to pour both the basement floor and the retaining wall footings at the same time. Both were under 4 yds and it would have cost more to make two seperate pours. Oh the retaining walls.  Originally I hadn't intended on a retaining wall and had planned to just taper down. Once I had the basement walls up it was evident that wasn't going to work.  So I dug the footing and formed part.  The formed part is going to incorporate a platform ( I think they call it a monolific(sp?) for the generator and propane tank. (I'll try to submit photo's later of that wall).  In three years #5 rebar has gone from $4.50 to nearly $8.  Then I checked around and found some salvaged #5,6.7.8 & #9 16-18' for $4 a stick.  So I ended up using #7 for the majority of the basement and footings and grid on 24"OC.

The concrete pour went off without a hitch and even had enough left over to extend a sidewalk at the house another 4' from the left over.  I always try to have someplace extra to work the overrun in.  In fact I had built a 4' X 44' sidewalk at the house from strickly overrun concrete.  If I continue using concrete I will be able to have a sidewalk all around the house by the time I die.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: desdawg on December 06, 2007, 03:24:30 AM
Wow, #7 rebar. All straight shots. Bending that could be challenging with a hickey bar.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 06, 2007, 05:00:02 AM
desdawg

You are right. No bending.  Just a challange in cutting alone.  I had plenty so if they were a little long I just let them lap over .  A little extra support. Some of the footing was actually # 9.  The biggest problem in working the larger rebar was to have it placed midways in the floor (4"). 

Not much work today on the cabin. About 4-5" snow overnight. Temp this morn was 6F.  Kids out of school so I guess my day is already planned out.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 06, 2007, 06:56:07 AM
Broken chunks of concrete work well for supporting rebar in a floor when dobies are too large.  They can be left in.

That is some mighty big rebar.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 06, 2007, 07:09:01 AM
Yep been there. They had to be very thin pieces. I had a little pieces of #4 that I used also.  Couldn't go that high.  It all cost the same per stick.  I tried to use the smallest to get good coverage midways.  If it cracks it is not because I didn't try.

Built a 12'X50' concrete bridge to my house and used 1-1/2" rebar in it.  But I had a 7" deck.  Got 12"X34" I beams for that.  But thats another story.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 06, 2007, 07:15:17 AM
You could have left out the concrete and drove across on the rebar. :)

Actually, I don't care what you do with concrete -- if it wants to crack, it will, but the rebar will keep the chunks together, and control joints will keep the cracks where you want them...most of the time.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 06, 2007, 07:47:24 AM
Well Glenn I wanted something that would stand the test of time.  I don't have that much water normally but when it is up it is up.  I had a job that I would often get called out and I could't just tell them I couldn't get there.  I got the steel from a older bridge they replaced.  Poured  24" X 36" footers on bedrock, 12" thick wingwalls and  abutments. Pockets for the beams.  Found some sheets of 20-24ga steel step metal which I used for Q-deck.  A contractor puts up steel and alluminum buildings and these were the scrap sheets which they used to protect the actual sheets in shipping.  30" wide.  Got enough to do the bridge and then roof a outbuilding 12'X36' for $25.  Of everything I used the concrete was the most expensive.  I would have to go back and look but it was several, several yards.  When it was all said and done I had about $5,000 in  a bridge that would probably cost $25,000 at the time.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 06, 2007, 07:51:20 AM
Good job and good recycling.:)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: desdawg on December 06, 2007, 07:45:37 PM
You probably saved a yard of concrete. Displaced it with the steel. Should be plenty stout.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 07, 2007, 10:39:35 AM
No shortage of things to do.  But today it is not very good weather to work. 5" snow Wednesday, Temp 6F on Thursday Morning and freezing rain and snow today. Doubt that I could even get to the cabin today.  I sure hope this is not the beginning of old man winter as I still have lots to do.  Well I can at least bring the project up to date from my last post.

Working on running the electric wires for the cabin portion. I went ahead as I laid the cabin up to pre-drill the locations for switches(high) and recepticles (low) .  I am sure I have forgotten a few but will cross that bridge when I come to it.  Been inserting the insulation board midways in the gaps of the logs. Also installing the chink wire (1/4" rabbit wire or hardware cloth).  So far just the exterior wire and the insulation board has taken 70 hrs.  I can probably look at another 50 hrs to do the wire on the inside.  Sure hopes that the chinking goes a little faster.

Got the well drilled in Mid August. 220 ft. Hit water at 190 with 10gpm.  Pretty good considering that I was about 75 feet from a serious revine(Virginia).   But If I hadn't I could only blame myself because I was the one that "witched" the location.

Well I started on getting the block laid for the retaining wall.  About 300 I think. I was lucky to find a neighbor in Va. that just retired as a block layer in April. 72YOA but you would never know it.  Did a bang up job at 1/3 of the price for a full time mason.  Stair stepped the wall to conform to the landscape.  I then formed up the caps and hand poured them.  Took about a week for both sides to build the forms and pour.  Tried to make all the steps about the same (2-1/2 blocks) so that I coould re-use the forms from one side to the other. Worked out pretty well.  I guess I did a fairly good job as the mason stopped one day and asked where I bought the caps at. Ha. Ha. If you notice there are two step backs in the wall to the left. The first is the location for the generator and the second is for the propane tank.  Each section is 4' deep.  The generator section will have a roof built over it that will correspond to the look of the cabin. Regulations prohibit the same for the tank.  I set them back so they wouldn't be struck by someone backing up to the basement door.

Then I switched my attention to back filling and laying the drain lines.  I had the lines stubbed off at the basement end and water would sometimes saturate the block walls. Well I extended them on outside walls and ran additional ones on the inside walls to their intersection at the end of the walls where I tied them together and ran away from the cabin.

Well it is Mid Oct and a friend brought his dozier and we fine graded the yard surrounding the cabin to pitch the water away from the cabin. Also installed Sch 35-4" pipe from the basement to the well to run the well line through.  The pump was something I didn't need right now as well as the septic.  Had to save something to do later. ;)

That little angel above the wall is my 5 YOA inspector Emily

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on December 07, 2007, 11:05:41 AM
The way you stepped the wall looks really nice!  Chinking the walls sounds like a lot of work - I put cob up in the sections between the ceiling logs - just about a 12 ft area - that was a lot of work, too.  We just have insulation in the rest, still - one of these days we might get to some of the finer details... don't seem to have the energy I had when we 1st started building  :(
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 07, 2007, 11:06:43 AM
Things always stay drier when you grade away and extend the drains down the hill away from the house.  Something I need to improve on here.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 08, 2007, 03:52:11 PM
Sassy what are you calling "cob" . Must be something in CA.  Yes I started chinking and due to the limited daylight now I can only do about 20' a day.  Probably have 300-400 ft on the outside (60% done)and the same on the inside.  Got to the cabin today. Little slick with the 4-5" of snow.  Got the last of the outside wire(80ft) put in place.  Now if the weather will just cooperate I might get the outside done in a week or so.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 08, 2007, 04:20:59 PM
Cob is an earth building technique named in England.  Actually it is just lumps of adobe -30% clay 70% sand with straw added for reinforcement.  Rather than making it into bricks, it is just built in place.  There are entire houses built out of it all over the world with some of them being over 800 years old.  Done properly it can be pretty permanent.  It can also be used to chink where it doesn't get massive amounts of water over it.  Many of the different types of earth building are touched up annually but we have had some exposed for 5 years with only minor surface wearing.

I have found earth and rock buildings and fireplaces around here from the mid 1800's.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 08, 2007, 07:11:41 PM
OK I have seen a show on one of the educational programs that demonstrated that process but didn't know they called it "cob".  I guess that was probably used some in chinking.  Most of the time they used clay, straw, horsehair and anything else they could find for a binder.  Usually in chinking it had to be repaired quite often. Even then they were quite drafty.  I guess that is why in later years they started using the tacks to nail cardboard, linoleum or anything else.  Most people that had logs homes usually covered them up with insulation board and siding to make them tighter.  You would be surprised at the log homes that still remain and you wouldn't know it unless you looked for some signs.  Like stone fireplaces, narrow windows (not that many) with large spacing between.  I didn't know some were logs until I got interested in them.

Did you catch the post I had on Guns and the caseless.  If I get a chance I'll post a photo. Pretty rare.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 08, 2007, 07:17:58 PM
Yeah - I did - interesting.  I Googled it but didn't find anything about it.  Must be rare.  I guess we will be the first to have info on it if you post it.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: desdawg on December 09, 2007, 07:46:23 AM
Just curious, what material are you using for chinking? Those are some pretty healthy gaps.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 09, 2007, 08:02:31 AM
desdawg

I use 1/4" rabbit wire or hardware cloth which I nail in place with galvanized roofing nails.  The mortar is Type S mixed  2:1 with sand.  I also put a small amount on cement just to make it sticky.  Try to keep the same ration close to avoid variation in the color of the dried joints. The mix has the consistancy of peanut butter so that it will hold in the wire.  Took me the first mix (pretty well wasted) to learn the technique to keep it from falling off the trowel and the wire.

The biggest problem is that you can't use a large tool to apply or finish.  5" trowel. 1/2 tuck point, 2" margin trowel.

On the rather large joints I try to put it  in steps of 2" or so.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on December 09, 2007, 06:31:29 PM
Glenn covered the inside of the arch in the RV garage with chicken wire.  I put 3 layers of stucco on it - had lots of it on top of my head when it would fall off the ceiling part of the arch  :P  I used the plastic cement & made the batches in the cement mixer, put color in it, added the fiber mesh, which BTW, really helps   :)  Had to work with it to get the right thickness/texture - too thin or too thick, didn't work very well.  But, eventually got it done  8)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 09, 2007, 07:21:36 PM
Are you using a hawk to slide it off of into the joint?  Seems that would work well for chinking too.  Like this.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: benevolance on December 09, 2007, 08:11:45 PM
glenn what is that thing you pictured... a tool for putting mortar into joints... if so I need one badly!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 09, 2007, 08:21:08 PM
There are two things there.  The bottom one - you hold the yellow handle - it is just a table for the mortar called a hawk.  You put a gob of mortar on it to lift it to the work area.  Set it beside it and push it to the joint.  The top one is called a margin trowel - about a 2 inch wide flat trowel you could push the mortar to the side with -- there is another one that may be of use to you.

Called a Tuck Pointer Joint Filler

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: benevolance on December 09, 2007, 08:50:29 PM
i am not ready for this disaster of a project just yet....I do not want to do it either... Gawd I will loathe this house yet...

I am dreading tearing down 2 walls on the sunroom and rebuilding them after footings are poured properly...I have been thinking about actually paying someone to lay the brick I will be their helper... but that way I might learn something and it will get done properly

there are half a dozen spots that need attention so it might get costly...which scares the crap out of me...

used car salesmen and auto mechanics have limited resources to spend on stuff like this :(
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 10, 2007, 03:54:10 PM
Glenn don't have a hawk but found something that works about as well that I do have and that is a 6"X18" float.  Anything bigger gets pretty heavy after holding all day.  I have pretty much settled on the 5" trowel as  the irregular joinst will not allow anything larger and anything smaller creates deep crevices. Working out pretty well. Another thing that threw me off as some of the logs are bowed or stick out past the others and to try to roll the chink up is a little difficult.  I have been trying to keep the top of the chink 1/2-1" from the face and the bottom out to the edge of the face. This should allow water to roll from one to the other nd finally drip off the bottom log. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 10, 2007, 06:00:45 PM
In some cases I like a grout float - around 4x8 inches - trowel made of firm flexible rubber.  For steel trowels, I also like the swimming pool trowel -- round ends and very flexible.  Could help with odd shapes.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 17, 2007, 07:53:22 AM
As winter nears I am well into the chinking mode.  As of 12/15/07 I am down to the last stretch on the exterior.  With a a couple days break to get the rock on the flue I am back to "mudding".  I only had about 18' left to go when the weather turned cold. Actually I had held off on this area hoping that I would have the porch built and the roof over and could chink this when it was raining.  But winter is coming faster than last year and I might have to hold off on the porch come spring.  Hopefully I will get a few good days to finish the outside.  The interior can be done at anytime after I get the cabin sealed up.  After that little run of chinking I will try to get the windows and doors in place.  Have a lot on my list (no not santa's list) that I would like to get done but I am not real sure the weather will cooperate.  Just have to take it one day at a time.  The photos are of the kitchen exterior.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on December 17, 2007, 12:39:10 PM
Whenever I look at all those chink spaces, my arm gets sore.  Looking good, John.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 17, 2007, 06:46:38 PM
Looks Great. :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 19, 2007, 10:44:31 AM
Got a little ahead of myself with the discription of events and their corresponding with the photographs so I will play a little catch-up.

Mid October was the start of the chinking.  As the other post reveiled I only have that remaining 18' of log chinking to finish the exterior.  I have not added the actual time that it took to do the exterior but hope to when the weather is such that I can't do anything else.  But what ever it is I will have the same amount of time involved in the interior.

Took a break from the chinking to stone the exterior top of the fireplace chimney. I know it seems like I just jump around from one phase to the other but there is a method to my madness.  The reasoning behind doing the front is that once the porch is on it would be harder to build the necessary scaffolding to lay the rock. As it stands now I only have about 10' to bridge from the house roof edge to the work platform at the chimney(roof jacks and 2X6).  From the scaffolding I bridged the distance with 2X8(true) then using 2X8's three wide gave me enough room to cut the stone, store the mortar mix and etc..  Another reason I didn't complete the entire chimney was that I only had enough scaffolding to do one side at a time. The entire thing I would have needed 3 times that amount as well as additional 2X material for two more platforms.  This will wait until spring.

I also poured the porch footings(5) and laid the 16" flu block for piers on the porch. A ledger will work on the house side. The porch is stepped in from each end 4' for a total of 32' long and a depth of 8'.  The porch roof will be a 3:12 pitch with a 6" elevation drop from the main cabin roof which will start just under the cabin overhang.

The porch piers were parged with left over chink mortar mix at the end of the day if any was left over. These will be stoned with the same stone as the chimney. This also will wait until spring.  One of the photographs show the porch supports among the scaffolding.

I am hoping that I can at least get the deck/porch floor built.  It is doubtful that I will be able to finish with the porch roof as I will need to pu four 8" locust post and peel and place them as supports for the porch.

Maybe a warm snap will come through the area and I can get more done than I anticipate. Last year I was able to work off/on up until Jan 19th.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on December 19, 2007, 02:16:36 PM
You're really comming along and the place looks great.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 20, 2007, 02:28:00 PM
Finally what I was looking for before winter decides to set in.  I finished all of the outside log chinking today. Temp was a little nippy @28F this morning but raised to 42F in the afternoon.  I just fired up the powerstroke, engaged the 4 wheel drive and went.  Really wasn't as bad as I thought except for the north slopes in the turns which were ice and packed snow. I carried two 5-gallons of water because I had a fealing the water that I had would be frozen. Well it was.  Shame I don't have a ice house the 5 -5 gallon blocks of ice would have worked nicely.  Now with another decent day forecasted( low of 30F) I will try to fill the block piers with concrete tomarrow.   So if I do catch a week of decent weather I can start on the porch.  I hate to let all the moisture(rain & snow) from the winter settle against the basement wall as any gutter would be pre-mature at this phase.  Probably snow birds would help somewhat though but at $4 a piece I don't want to get in a hurry until I can find something cheaper. Probably need close to 100.  I actually enjoy working with the temps lower as it keeps the mud at bay.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 27, 2007, 01:58:03 PM
Moving right along.  Started on the front porch/deck this morning. Biggest challange was squaring up the foundation(PT wood) on the Flue block pillars. Once that was done then putting the floor joist and then started on the deck boards.  If all goes well tomarrow will finish the flooring. Sleet early in the AM and intermitent all day but not enough to stop working. Then by spring It should have dried out enought to stain to match the rest of the stain work done so far.  Well closer anyway.  Will try to take a photo and post if I can remember to take the camera.  That I sometimes forget not like my lunch and java.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on December 27, 2007, 05:10:33 PM
You have a wonderful looking place there - the old logs give it so much character & I really like the way you've put the whole thing together  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 28, 2007, 01:13:42 PM
Well the deck did get finished. Only had to cut one piece of deck board at a slight angle on one end because of the squareness.  I thought it would have been worse.  No I didn't get the pictures as I promised. But I did remember my lunch and java.  Finished by 11:00 and then started on the soffit in the front as this has to be in place before I can set my rafters for the porch. Well that was short lived as it started raining after I had ran about 12'. Tomarrow ( or the next or the next or the next) is another day. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 29, 2007, 07:33:38 PM
The soffit is finished and the facia boards are installed today. Just some trim pieces between the soffit and facia to install.  Then praying for a warm day to get this portion stained to match the rest of the soffit installed earlier.  Will pick up the post(6-8"dia) locust for porch roof supports first of the week.  Weather forecast does not look to promising for next week so I will just have to play it by ear.

I attached a couple photo's of this weeks work. I hate PT lumber but the cost of anything else in this area is prohibited. I think once it dries out and is stained it will be OK.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: John Raabe on December 29, 2007, 09:13:59 PM
Just a real fine project! :D

Rustic charm and timeless careful craftsmanship. This is one that will live to be a centenarian. c*
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 29, 2007, 09:22:05 PM
...again. 

Nice recycle job. :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 04, 2008, 04:29:26 PM
Weather has been so cold here that it is hard to stay out very long.  I did manage to go on New Years Day to a friends log yard and pu 5 locust post 8-10 diam for the porch post.  Then Yesterday I peeled what little bark was left with a draw knife and then plumbed up the bottoms.  Only got 3 done yesterday as the temp didn't go past 15F. Feet and hands froze out.  Today was a lillte better in the PM to 38F but this morning it was 6F.  Had to get the wifes car worked on so that took up the better part of the day. Weekend and next week suppose to be near 50F so I will probably start the porch roof on Monday.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 08, 2008, 04:41:27 PM
Been taking advantage of this great weather. Who would think that it would be close to 60F this time of the year. Work pretty steady the last two days with setting the locust post for the porch and setting the rafters.  As the later photograph displays it has been close to dark before I got finished today. Actually I had forgotten about any photographs until late. Had to pick the tools up in the dark d*.  I can tell you something about locust post. They are hard and heavy. Another tip is not to use 3" deck screws into them to hold temporary supports. They will not come out.  Had to use a Sawzall to cut them off then use a pair of vise grips to remove the remaining screws.

Tomarrow I will add the false rafters on both ends and then hit the road. Got to find perlin material.  I have two mills about 5 miles from the house so I am hoping they have something dried that I can use.  Then the metal. But the weather is suppose to turn nasty on Thursday with freezing rain, snow and temp drop so I might have to wait on the tin until it is warmer as the manufacturer recommends temp's 40+ before installing.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on January 08, 2008, 06:20:13 PM
your place is turning out great. Nice job on the porch.
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Post by: Sassy on January 08, 2008, 06:53:00 PM
I really like it!  Love the porch too  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 12, 2008, 05:44:39 PM
Well the weather held out long enough to get the metal roof put on the porch today.  After I had built the porch deck I was concerned that I would not get it done and the snow would accumulate on the deck, melt and run back onto the cabin subfloor and between the log and the subfloor. That worry is over. If the weather is permitting I should start with the door and window installation this week.  The locust post were still not cured enough to apply stain but once they dry out along with the deck by Mid spring or early summer they will get stained to match the board & batten on the addition and gable ends.  Right now they stick out like a sore thumb.  But heck who's going to see it but you all.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 12, 2008, 07:01:33 PM
That's really looking great, John.

DEFY can be used on wet but drying wood and comes in stain colors.  It keeps out about 98% of the moisture.  The tints also have UV protection.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on January 12, 2008, 09:29:09 PM
Very nice indeed. It could pass for a historical landmark. Maybe you can say a dead honest persident slept there. Well maybe not honest.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CWhite on January 14, 2008, 04:21:30 PM
What a wonderful place.   You've come a long way since last August!  The basement looks so clean and accessable, and the upstairs is so completely rustic.  Great combination with a gentle facade.  I'm really enjoying watching your progress.
Christina
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on January 15, 2008, 09:41:19 PM
Wonderful!  You can tell you've put a lot of time & effort into it - I bet you get a lot of compliments on it!  And PEG would be so proud - the grounds are absolutely immaculate!  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on January 15, 2008, 09:51:24 PM
Now that you mention it I've not seen so much as a stray piece of lumber, a tool, or anything laying about. That shows a lot about the care being taken.

I worked for a custom builder a number of years ago. One thing he insisted on was a cleanup at the end of the day. Nothing left laying around. A week or so ago when K and I walked about some new upscale homes under construction I noticed all sorts of debris left laying about. Doesn't look like a professionals workplace.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 18, 2008, 03:18:09 PM
Well yesterday afternoon I decided to try to extend my working time on the cabin. I used my tractor and along with my son on his 4 wheeler we plowed the Forrest Service road for about 1-1/2 miles from the main road.  It is only about 1/2 mile from the house. It took 2 hours round trip to open it up. At least now it will not get packed down and turn to ice as fast.

Today I tried to get my truck & equipment trailer to the cabin. Not!. I was determined to finish framing in the front door and sheeting it. So I went back to the house and traded the truck for the tractor. Took a little longer to drive up but I had a pretty sucessfull day(1/2) and finished what I had set out to do.
By afternoon the sun came out and temp rose to 40F and alot of the sun melted off the road and driveway, I could have waited and got the truck up this evening but wouldn't have gotten done what I did.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on January 18, 2008, 04:06:00 PM
The more I look at this the more I wish I had an old cabin to use.  :(

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 18, 2008, 06:06:27 PM
Don actually the larger cabin was bought from an individual who deals with them on a regular basis. This one stood next to three others he had and they were shipped out west somewhere. I think Colorado.  There is another person nearby that has made a buisness out of the old cabins. He is actually buying out of Canada and shipping them into his yard. He has been using old barn timbers from there and then recutting (half-dovetail design)them per blue print designs and then shipping to all points.  Basicly there is not much difference from a log barn and a house in general except doors and windows.  He now has standing two large Post& Beams that he got from Canada now.  There is still some old log cabins around but are getting scarce.  Alot still hidden by siding.  I think he also gets alot from Kentucky.  Most are hardwood, Oak and still some chestnut. The following are some sites of log homes for sale.

http://www.oldlogcabins.com/
http://www.loghomes.com/forsale/log-shells/log-shells-for-sale.html
http://www.antiquecabinsandbarns.com/
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on January 18, 2008, 06:40:28 PM
Interesting links - I love looking at the pix of the cabins & what they've done with the logs.  So MtnDon, ya gonna get some logs & do something like Red?  Really makes a nice home/cabin  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on January 18, 2008, 07:11:15 PM
So MtnDon, ya gonna get some logs & do something like Red?
I like the look very much. Likely cost a pretty penny for all those old logs, and for moving them, etc. I'd have a real difficult time extracting all the money it would likely cost from my wallet.  :-[

I'd look up my family tree to see if there's a Scotsman lurking in my past, but I'm too tight to spend the money on it.  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 23, 2008, 06:14:13 AM
Well after 1-2" of new snow I ventured up on the mountain. The previous plowing did help a good bit but I still had trouble getting the trailer turned around to head off.  Tight place even in good weather.  The temps made it close to 30F and I got some work done on the entry framing. There were some places to insulate that once the sheeting was on I wouldn't have gotten to.  I am going to try again today but without the trailer. Cordless tools and power inverter loaded for the trip.  I will put the iceguard on the ply then followed by the wire lath.  I would have done it yesterday but forgot to take a couple electrical boxes for the entry way lights which is easier to install before the lath. If I can't get there then I guess I will start on the "dreaded" income tax stuff. :(
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 23, 2008, 01:58:20 PM
As you can see I did make in on the mountain today.( Didn't have to do the income tax stuff :)  I got the lath wire up on the entry way.  Well at least 80% of it as I ran out just lacked 16" X 40" over the door.  I hate when that happens. I just used what was left over from the house remodel a few years back. No biggie but I like to finish what I start.  I probably will not be able to parge and lay the stone until spring. I off set it so the door molding would set against the ply.  Just a couple of photos because I hadn't posted any pics in a while.  I did take a picture of the cabin complete with the porch which I didn't have before.  Tomarrow I will try to get some of the windows transfered from the barn to the cabin.  Forecast is 60% snow then turn to 80% tomarrow evening with 3-6" predicted accum.


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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on January 23, 2008, 04:07:39 PM
Like I've said before, shore looks nice!  You've done such a wonderful job on the house - very inviting!   :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 30, 2008, 03:51:55 PM
As you can see I have been a little busy the past couple of days. Managed to install 11 windows and 3 exterior doors. Two of which were in the back on the board and batten addition( not pictured).  Today is the first day that I would say that I was out of the weather.  No wind blowing through the cabin.  It's been several months since the subfloor was installed and thanks to Advantex it held up remarkable considering the rain and snow that laid on it upuntil this point.  But I lacked only one window today to finish up of course it was on the high side.  The rest of the day (majority) was spent house cleaning.  How many snack cakes and snacks can be eaten while building a structure?  I am not sure but I had quite a quanity of wrappers to pick up.  I like to clean each days activity up at the end of the day but with working til dark it is hard without any electric at this point. And the next day I am so gunho on getting started. Thus compounding the problem over several days. 

Another thing about cleaniing up is that once I moved from one phase to the other of the project I would not eliminate the particular supplies not needed.  Part of that was lacking a weather proof location and the cabin having a roof served that purpose.  I don't need comealongs, chains, adze, axes and the like for trim work although some might. The following pics are of the windows and the front door installed.  I thought the door was sort of unique and kind of fit the log cabin style. The alternative wa to make one which I didn't want to undertake. Probably couldn't have made it as insulated as the one I ended up with anyway.

Next step is to address the loft area and catwalk which I will have to install more 4X8 beams to support the flooring.

Hope you enjoy the pics.

John 

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on January 30, 2008, 04:51:14 PM
Quite nice - I like that door  [cool]

BTW, your diet sounds a bit like Glenn's when he's working...   ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on January 30, 2008, 05:43:03 PM
All I can say is Wow! Very nice job you are doing. I love the door.  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: peternap on January 30, 2008, 05:44:21 PM
Boy...that's looking good !!!!!!!!!!! [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 30, 2008, 05:59:27 PM
Looking great, John.
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Post by: Redoverfarm on February 08, 2008, 09:35:24 AM
Finally got it to a stage with doors and windows installed. Installed the locksets in the doors so I can leave alot of the tools on site now without hauling them every trip.  Before I was just praying that they didn't walk off the job site.  Spent the majority of the week attaching the ceiling joist/floor beams for the loft area around the fireplace/stove flu.  Had set anchors in the block when they were laid but as luck would have a few were not put in properly and were loose and too long.  Just cut them off short and shoved them back in the flu and used Toggle bolts in their place.  When I attached beam to beam in the crossovers a lag bolt sufficed. 

There are just some things that require an extra pair of hands. I found that out when I tried setting a 10" dia 10' locust post for the stair landing.  I managed to get it plumb and marked the bottom for a plumb cut. lowered it down and made the cut. This is where the extra hands come in as I drafted my son to steady the post while braces were attached. Then I had to mark the pocket of the beams and lower it again. This time when it went up it was permanent. Another problem diverted and done with.   

I think after this week I will take a long weekend off and travel to my parents which I haven't seen in a while. About a 4 hr trip. The cabin will be there later.

Opps.  d*  I forgot the photo of the monster post. Well I will get it the next time around.
 c*

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on February 08, 2008, 06:18:15 PM
Getting closer and closer to moving in day.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: wingam00 on February 20, 2008, 01:12:29 PM
John, what did you use for the cap on your retaining walls?? 

Mark
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 20, 2008, 01:52:20 PM
Mark those are all individual poured concrete. I formed them using 2X4" and tapcons. I boxed the area with 2X4 which I tapconed to the block 3/8" - 1/2" below the top of the block. That way the water can not enter between the cap and the block and makes it stronger by tieing all the blocks. Then took another round of 2X4 and elivated it 2" to create the lip which I attached to the original 2X4(tapcon) with deck screws.  Then mixed the concrete and worked to create a crown. Not real hard just time comsuming. I did the long pour where the generator and propane tank will set in one pour.  That worked me pretty good as I was only alble to mix so much in the small mixer I had and it started setting up because of the weather.  Just remember to take a trowel and drag along the inside of your forms to move the aggregate back and then use your hammer to tap the air bubbles out.  Leave it a while til it sets up some and then finish it just as regular concrete work.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 20, 2008, 06:41:51 PM
If you don't want to use Tapcons for temporary anchors, you can drill a 1/4 inch hole through the wood and into the concrete a couple inches with a Rotohammer or hammer drill and drive 3 - 16d nails in at the same time for a temporary or sometimes permanent anchor depending on the situation.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: carla on February 20, 2008, 07:20:16 PM
I absolutely love the re-used old log cabin timbers. It looks great! Your work shows a lot of TLC has been applied to the project. You've made a sucessful blend of the old with the more modern materials.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: wingam00 on February 21, 2008, 04:50:39 AM
Thanks John and Glen on the advise on the wall caps. Now all I have to do is build a retaining wall to make the cap for.  This is a project that will have to wait until I am done will all the "inspections".  If not if the wall is over 4' high (which it will be about 6' high ), the wall has to be "formally and professionally designed".
In other words cost me More money which I do not have and even if I did would not spend it on block wall.

Mark
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 21, 2008, 05:30:31 AM
If doing that, Mark, and the soil is not fairly self supporting with good drainage -drainage above - french drains - gravel - weep holes etc. be careful - put tie backs into the slope behind -etc.

I can't tell you how much as I am not an engineer, but I did jackhammer out a 4 foot wall that moved about 15 feet and hit a garage or right up to it.  It had drains but they plugged.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: wingam00 on February 21, 2008, 05:39:47 AM
John, so I am clear what you are says is to measure about 15 feet form where I want the wall and place it there so over time the wall move to the place where I really want it to be.   c*

Just a like dumb humor, you are right John in your advise, thanks for the info.

Mark
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 21, 2008, 06:02:05 AM
It's glenn, but yes -- that could work too.   :)

Check your soil type -- some have a lower coefficient of friction, therefore move farther than others.   [frus]

What did I just say? [noidea'

I don't even know what that was. [scared]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 29, 2008, 05:43:10 PM
One down and one to go. I finished the flooring/ceiling in the loft/kitchen room of the cabin this week and started on the flooring/ceiling of the master bedroom/loft in the addition.  Once I got my generator parts it was full speed ahead today despite the starting temp of 19F this morning. By mid afternoon the outside went to 42F but the inside was still at 33F.  I thought I would post a few photographs of the ceiling and floor.  The ceiling is a pickle/white finish and the floor side is walnut stain which will closely resemble old barnwood oil finished floor when finished.  All of the flooring was prefinished(semi) to resist scratches and soiling during transport and installation. Not to mention it would be a real chore to try to finish the ceiling between the beams,  Later another coat of sealant will be applied as well as touch up stain from the installation.

Photo of the ceiling in the kitchen

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Photo of the loft area over the kitchen toward the fireplace flue and living room

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Photo from the kitchen loft to the loft area over the master bedroom.  WATCH your head.  No it's not quite that bad just stay close to the flue when you walk to the other loft.  Not pictured is a 48" walkway adjacent to the flue as approaching the stairway

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Photo from kitchen loft to the flue/chimney. This will be stoned the same as the outside of the chimney

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on February 29, 2008, 06:47:12 PM
Floor looks great.  :D You've really done an amazing job so far. I hope mine turns out half this good.
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Post by: CWhite on March 01, 2008, 04:13:30 AM
Prefinishing the floors/ceilings makes that job nearly done.  That was well thought out, and looks terrific.  My floors upstairs are also the ceilings downstairs, but I still have to finish both sides.  I can truly appreciate the foresight and planning that is going into your home.

I know the fire place flue upstairs will be stoned, and I will look forward to seeing pictures of that when it's done.  What a cozy room(s) that will be up there. 
Great job going on.  I hope the warmer temperatures I'm expecting this weekend make it up there to you.
Christina
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Post by: Redoverfarm on March 01, 2008, 04:36:25 AM
Christina I hope the quality of materials on your T&G was better than mine.  It appears that the manufacturer had assured that the v-groove side was in good shape but the flat(flooring side in multiple use) or back side wasn't.  Every thing lined up on the V-groove side well but the flat side there was differences in thickness, width and T&G cut.  I guess in probably 95% of the installation it is made for ceiling and walls and the back side is not seen.  But for my purpose it goes well with the age of the stucture.
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Post by: Sassy on March 01, 2008, 09:18:28 AM
Your cabin is incredible, Red!  Love it  [cool] 
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Post by: Redoverfarm on March 08, 2008, 04:40:28 AM
Finally finished the loft floor yesterday.  I am glad that is out of the way. My elbow feels the same way.  I was really amazed at how much room I finally ended up with on the 16'X18" addition.  When added to the landing area of the stairs which wrap around the fireplace flue it is actually the biggest room in the cabin. If I had only used heavier beams I could install a bowling alley.  Total floor space is 16' X 22'.

Straight flooring install for the majority but it did present a few problems when it came to the intersection of the two loft floors.  Wasn't sure exactly how to accomplish it as unlike the roof squareness was an issue in the two log structures mating as one building and to compound it the intersection of yet another built on. I had debated about a transition strip to address the union point since the flooring was running 90 degree to each other but I just took my time and cut on a slight angle. Shoot it's just a log cabin. Turned out OK.  To top it all off and add to the delimina I had rabbited the log walls and support verticle post to accept the flooring and it was at these intersections as well. Through trial and error I got it done.   Will post a few pictures later.  Now onto the next step which will be the 1st floor bathroom framing or chinking of the interior log walls. Weather (temps)will be a deciding factor.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 11, 2008, 05:51:31 PM
I spent the yesterday and today trying to put in a "oh crap I forgot" switchs to control the ceiling light/fan combo and a set of cateye spotlights on the fireplace.  No problem huh. Well with framing it might not be but with log walls it presented some problems. But with Willy at the helm I think I can iron them out. With the other switches and recepticles I pre-drilled chases for the wires. But I forgot the two aforementioned.  Now that the chinking is done on the outside I cannot angle drill (ship auger) down through the logs for a chase. So I am runing the wires near a corner intersection in the joint of the two logs.  Not much room but when all is said and done it will be covered by the intersecting chink. Thank goodness that my feed side is on the opposite wall which is joined by the board and batten room. 

To work out the rest of the day I ran chink wire between the logs to later put the chink in, Time consuming but very effective. I am using 1/4" rabbit wire and attaching with roofing nails.  I tried a air stapler but didn't like the results. I can beter guage the tension with nails.  The weather is not good right now to chink as freezing temps happen every night and I would't want the chink to freeze ( too much work to replace).  So I will get all the wire ran and when the weather warms I will start with the mortar.

I promised some pictures of the loft floor and I will try to include. Along with a picture of the "Oh Crap" if you promise not to laugh.

                         Intersection of loft floor (different directions)
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                         Stairway location to the loft
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                          Loft over bedroom
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                           OH CRAP SWITCH
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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 11, 2008, 06:14:45 PM
Your place is really cool, John.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CWhite on March 11, 2008, 06:22:41 PM
That loft area is big.  Great to see the progress. 
Christina
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 05, 2008, 10:45:45 AM
Spent the majority of last week and 1/2 chinking as usual.  I managed to finish the kitchen after approximately 40 hours.  The room measures 11'6" X 15' ID.  The photograph is of the appliance wall and counter area.  There will be basicly only 2 appliances in that area which will be the frig and gas stove with the remaining area for base cabinets.  Due to the limited cabinet space I am going to try to match the cabinet space on upper cabinets with glass front short wall cabinets.  To retain the log look I am pondering to install plexiglass back panels as well or leave them open.  I am not crazy about a blacksplash as I think it would take away from the log look.  I might be forced to put something to keep the stove grease from getting on the logs and wall.  Maybe some stamped tin panels ?  The recepticle boxes are just above counter heigth for small appliances. If you were wondering where is the sink? To maximize the counter area I have choosen to put the sink in a center island.

The chink in the following pictures appears multi-colored but it normally takes 3-4 weeks for the chink to reach it's natural shade.  The top joint was done first when I started and the subsequent joints to the floor followed from top to bottom.  Using the recipe for the mortar it was measured evenly to attempt the same shade.  Let's hope it does once it cures out.


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This week started the living room chink.  I had problems with a switch that I had left off in the design phase.  Thats what you get for doing your design on a brown paper bag. Well it is history now and the wires which were unsightly have now been covered. Yesterday I finished the front wall and only have two long walls and a foyer left on the living room walls.  I would say anoher two weeks and this portion of the cabin will be complete.  Then onto something new.  I would imagine I will tackle the ceiling with insulation and T&G (living room)and/or drywall(lofts).  I need to get the ceiling finished in the living room first as I do not want to install the hardwood and then have scaffolding bucks rolling on the floor. Next would probably be the framing of the bedroom/bath on the main floor. I guess I will cross one of those bridges when I come to them.
 
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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on April 05, 2008, 12:35:40 PM
Looks great Redoverfarm. I woudn't worry too much about the chinking drying to different shades. Stuff like that adds intrest and character IMO. If I was doing it I'd just put open shelving above the base cabinets. Would look more log cabinish I think. Is that a word? Maybe just a short backsplash of some sort of stone? The stamped tin might look good too.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 05, 2008, 04:29:11 PM
Scott I was thinking more on line of a sealed cabinet of sorts to keep the dust off the dinnerware if you know what I mean.  I had never though of stone but then again I would have the stone to contest with the stove "by products".  I would like to incorporate some type of range hood.  Maybe I could do it in stone to compliment the logs and distract from a backsplash.  A mans point of view in decorating is not always the best.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on April 05, 2008, 04:34:02 PM
Whatever you use as material I vote for having enclosed cupboards. We did an open shelved kitchen many years ago and I ended up building doors to keep the dust off.

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 05, 2008, 05:25:58 PM
My thoughts exactly Don.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on April 05, 2008, 09:32:46 PM
Looks great Redoverfarm. I woudn't worry too much about the chinking drying to different shades. Stuff like that adds intrest and character IMO. If I was doing it I'd just put open shelving above the base cabinets. Would look more log cabinish I think. Is that a word? Maybe just a short backsplash of some sort of stone? The stamped tin might look good too.


We use a lot of open shelving with curtains over them -- curtains can be changed for a different look.  We like the ease of use also.  No doors to slam and bang back and forth so both ways have advantages.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: BiggKidd on April 06, 2008, 08:23:48 AM
John,

  Your cabin/house looks great, just read all seven pages. WOW.

Did you have any trouble getting permits? We are hoping to build a log home on the land we recently bought.

 Keep up the great work. Couldn't look nicer.

Larry
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 06, 2008, 08:38:28 AM
Larry the biggest permit and concern was "whether my wife would permit me to do this" ;D  As for other permits no.  I am not restricted in any building process other than the well and septic.  The health department oversee's that issue.  Other than that I was on a open reign.  As you had read the post there were several things I had to overcome but made it through the most of them.  Alot of factors came into play that in a newer log homes would not be an issue.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: BiggKidd on April 06, 2008, 11:08:39 AM
John,

 I understand about the PERMITING in the family. I'm lucky long as I'm the one doing the work mine lets me get away with lots. ;D If it doesn't cost to much that is.

Larry
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: John_C on April 16, 2008, 05:21:30 PM
Redoverfarm

How wide is the space between the two buildings?  Thanks
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 17, 2008, 01:38:54 AM
Just a little under 10'.  With the 36" door that gives a nice area on both sides to put stone on to sort of balance it out.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Homegrown Tomatoes on April 17, 2008, 06:41:45 AM
Hey Red, the cabin is coming together great.  If you decide to go with the stamped tin, I highly recommend American Tin Ceiling company.  We got our tin ceiling tiles from them when we did our kitchen walls in WI.  They had better prices than just about anyone, and a good selection, as well as really good customer service.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 17, 2008, 10:20:23 AM
I was looking forward to this day and it has arrived.  I finished the inside chinking yesterday.  With the additional interior walls that were not matching the exterior one I think my total time on the interior chinking was 118 hours (give or take a few  c*).
There was about 4 more logs in the loft area over the kitchen.  Most of that work was done in the prone position because they were too low (meeting the floor) to get to even while stooping.  My knee's let me know last night.

Now onto the next thing.  There are so many next thing's that I will have to sleep on the decision.  It will come to me in the morning.  I guess the weather will be a deciding factor.  If it is going to be clear several days in a row I might attempt to set up the scaffolding and finish the chimney.  If not I can work on the interior partitions or rock the front entry way or the inside flue.  Thats what's nice about getting to this stage in construction the weather becomes less of a factor in beating the day in.

Living room end wall

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Small wall seperating Kitchen from Living room

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on April 17, 2008, 11:01:43 AM
Nice work John. It always feels good to hit a milestone. Maybe I missed it somewhere...what's the square footage total of the 2 cabins and the dogtrot?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 17, 2008, 12:19:32 PM
Scott the main floor is 928 sq ft and the loft is 560 sq ft.  The main floor incorporates the "dogtrot" which has the fireplace/wood cookstove and entry door.  Those sq ft are the foundation demensions so the actual finished room sizes are slightly less.  The lofts are the same and you have to take into consideration the rafters and the useable space. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CWhite on April 17, 2008, 02:37:33 PM
It's looking good Redoverfarm! 
As many hours as you spent doing the chinking were worth while.  It sure turned out well. 
Good to see the updates.
Christina
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: BiggKidd on April 18, 2008, 01:19:31 PM
John,

 Congadulations on finishing the chinking. [cool] I know thats a load off. Sure looks great too. So much for mud your concrete mix looks much better. I'm sure that the wire was easier to work with than straw and horse hair. Have to love mixing new technoligy with old. Makes for a great project.

Larry
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 18, 2008, 02:39:12 PM
Larry they sell a synthetic chink.  The coverage is 1/2" thick X 2" wide X 76' per 5-gallons @ $115.  At that rate I would have had $3-4K in the chink.  As it turned out it was about 20 bags of Type S @ $7.50 per bag and 1-1&1/2 tons of sand @ $48 per ton.   The wire was about $150. I guess if you do the math it comes out to about $372. But the labor was not cheap  ;D.  It probably will hairline crack some but hey it's a log cabin and as you said it beats the other way which I am sure was more drafty than my verson.  Several people told me to mix vermiculite(sp?) it would stretch the formula out some and give a little more R-value but I have seen it before and didn't care for the finish.  Thanks for the comment. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Willy on April 20, 2008, 07:12:55 AM
Your log cabin is coming along nice! Glad I don't have chinking to do it would freeze before it dried. I like the look of the logs. If I could find some good barn wood I would do my living room area in it for some primitive look inside. I hope to bring up my stairs soon but I need to get the siding up first. I am going back tuesday to start that part and hope to have it enclosed soon. Supposed to be warmer tuesday up in the 50s with no high winds like were having now. Plywood and paper is hard to put up in the wind. Mark
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 03, 2008, 03:55:35 AM
OK I have a decision to make regarding the porch on the cabin as far as the finished appearance.  One option would be to add the facia board to the false rafter and stain to match the other facia.  The other option would be to build in the upper portion of the roof ends sort of like a gabel end on the upper portion from the rake or facia board (porch front) to the cabin.  The pitch is about a 3-1/2"/12' so at the intersection of the cabin it will not be that much( 27").  The material would be Board & Batten similar to the gabel ends of the cabin.

I realize this is probably a personal preference but I would like a little suggestions from someone else.  I have attached a couple of photos of each end so you will have some visual references.

Thanks

John



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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 03, 2008, 05:22:53 AM
Boxing the tops of the ends would block your view from the porch.

I would get log slabs to match your posts - cut them to board size from the back on width then use them as facia boards over the end dimensional boards-- then they would also look like logs.  Try to include a few knots sticking out.

That's just me though -- feel free to ignore me.  d*  [crz]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: PEG688 on May 03, 2008, 06:26:10 AM


 I like Glenns idea of the fake log rake / barge / verge board  IF you have allowed enough roofing to over hang to protect that thick a rake board. If not I'd go for a normal rake board,  3/4" thick,  as it does appear that you have enough roofing to cover that thickness board. I think hard to tell exacting from the photo.

 But you don't want a board or 1/2 log sticking out so water can run in , wick in between the rafter and trim piece , that invites ROT.

 Again it's that whole thing of keeping the water out / thinking like rain deal.   

 It also appears you have your roof sheathing running past the last rafter / rake / barge rafter about 2 " or more. I cover that "end grain" of the ply either with what called a shingle mold , ( which can be a 1x2 , or a molded piece of trim , different areas do different things )  or by simply holding the rake board up the thickness of the sheathing so the sheathing is hidden by the rake board.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 04, 2008, 06:29:22 AM
Barge board -- I can never remember the terms.. hmm

If you select the proper slab it can de quite thin on top and the rain would follow around the face to drip off the bottom.  I lay them out on the flat back with a chalk line then cut them with a circular saw to get the width I want with the shape I want.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 08, 2008, 12:53:19 PM
It's been awhile since I posted an update on the cabin progress so I thought I would give you a little glimps of what has been going on.  I parged the front entry way and put up the stone.  I will go back and grout/tuck the joints after it has had a chance to set up for a week or so.  Anyone wondering what the plastic is above the door it is a shield to protect the rock as I still have to stain the ceiling above the door.  When the rock is finished I will be able to drape the plastic over the rock to apply the stain and just pull it out when finished (stapled).

Been parging the flue on the interior.  Thats a job in it's self. It measures 3' X 7'6" and is about 20' tall.  Alot of surface.  All of the 1st floor area is done and it is up on the scaffolding for the rest tht faces the living room.  I can manage the top part without scaffolding from the loft floor on three sides. 

I had an after thought. I guess that's why it takes me so long to get the job done. Not really just a little detour.  I decided to put a outlet above the mantle. It will be a duplex plug and in addition it will also house the television cable and telephone jack(satelite programing).  It's a logical location for a flat screen television.

Tommarow it's back to the scaffolding 2nd story to finish up the tall side and then onto the other sides.

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If you are wondering how I managed to put the wire and box in the concrete block I used a 7-1/2" diamond blade in the circular saw set at 45 deg and cut in two direction to form a v-groove.  Then drilling pilot holes at an angle and use of Simpson deck nails driven in halfway and bent over the wires held them tight.  As you can see in the picture at a side wall the wire is now covered and the recepticle wall is still exposed (in photo) but is now covered. 

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: BiggKidd on May 08, 2008, 01:59:07 PM
John,

 The rock work around the door looks great. I hope I can do some when we build. Your place is looking great. Thanks for posting.


   Larry 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on May 08, 2008, 02:18:05 PM
John that rock looks great. Is that a natural stone or is it store bought? Reason I ask is I'd like to do something like that behind my woodstove if it's suitable.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on May 08, 2008, 02:59:44 PM
Nice entrance John.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 08, 2008, 05:08:06 PM
Scott it is cultured stone. Real easy to install.  I used 1/2" ply, then followed by Ice/storm guard, lathwire and then parged. Buttered the stone with mortar and stick it to the parge.  I call it "lick & stick" stone.  Stone measured 1- 1 half thick and can be cut with a angle grinder and diamond blade.  Hardest part is the layout. Figuring out the best design to make it look authentic.  They say you can install it from either direction(top to bottom or vice versa. Have better luck with climbing up. Some of the larger stones are heavy and I use cut off and chips as wedges on those just for a minute or two.  I will post some pics after the finished product it will look better.  Thanks for the comment.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CWhite on May 09, 2008, 06:09:16 AM
Love the entrance John.  The stone looks castle-like and matches the door really well.  I think your attention to detailed prep-work is what saves you a lot of headaches and keeps your work area so clean. 
Thanks for posting the pics.  I like following your project.
Christina
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 09, 2008, 06:13:07 AM
That's a beauty entrance, John.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on May 09, 2008, 07:44:35 AM
Beautiful - always look forward to seeing updates on your progress!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 09, 2008, 02:25:35 PM
Scott as an afterthought on my reply concerning the stone you might consider using concrete backerboard on the wall. It will be in close proximity of the woodstove.  If you don't have enough clearance to use plywood. If you have the stone in a large area behind the stove it will also absorb some heat and continue to staywarm even after the fire has died down.   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on May 09, 2008, 02:29:57 PM
Thanks John, I should be fine with plywood since I'm keeping the stove out to the minimum clearance for conbustables anyway. Where did you get the stone and what was the cost roughly?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 09, 2008, 02:46:33 PM
Scott this was purchased a a manufacturing plant not far from here.  They had a special and the flats were $2.95 sf and the corners were $3.95 sf.  M-Rock was the brand.  I think they have the product at some Lowes stores.  There is several manufacturers of this stone.  What I put on my houise was Heritage out of Ohio.  I think at one time I had a catalog in which Owens Corning also had quite a selection.  Just do a search on cultured stone, faux stone and there are several.  Getting back to your original question in that you will probably only need flats unless you are going to incorporate an outside corner.  They do not make a inside corner that I am aware of.  They also do not make a 45 deg corner which I will need for my hearth so I will have to be inventive and use flats alternating the protruding edge on every other course.  I think. ???
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on May 09, 2008, 03:14:38 PM
Thanks John, I'm going to look into it. I showed your door to my wife and she likes it and the idea of using the stone behind the stove.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Willy on May 09, 2008, 08:19:12 PM
Excelent craftmanship on your door way! Wish I could work with stone. I may try and build a fire pit just to see how it goes. Mark
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 22, 2008, 12:08:33 PM
No I haven't quite working on the cabin.  What I have been doing for the last week and a half was putting stone on the flue.  The flue measures 80" wide by 40" deep and 17 feet on the highest side.  The ground floor wasn't too bad as I could reach the ceiling heigth of 7' but above that I had to resort to the scaffolding which just slowed the progress down having to carry all the rock, mortar to the walkboards then up again to the highest walkboard.  As it stands now I have a small area left over the front doorway on the loft which is only and end 40" X 6 ' left.  If I can get out of bed in the morning I will finish that up.  But not finished by any means.  The next step will be to grout and tuck point the joints which will probably take as long as the laying did.

If you notice there is an area at the bottom and also at the top which is not finished.  I will run my ceiling T&G and my flooring on the 1st floor first.  I can then cut the rock to fit.  The stone is so irregular that it could be a nightmare to try to contour the ends of the ceiling and flooring to make a good fit.

I also found the slate tile for the entry door outside set back ( 12" from log wall)this past week so it is ready to be laid.  I will be using the same tile for the fireplace hearth area out 3'-4' from the hearthwall into the living room floor.  The hearth is 12" wide.

The mantle is missing.  I had one but didn't think it looked proportioned with the fireplace and took it back.  It was 14" X 80" X 2-1/2" thick.  It will be a handhewed log sawn to 5-1/2" thick and will be 16" W.  I would have liked it to have been thicker but since I put a recepticle in that is all the room that I now have.  In the photograph you will notice a piece of deckboard tapconed which is acting as a spacer while laying the rock and will be removed when the mantle is installed.   I have enclosed a few pictures of the rock if you would care to see them.
                                 Entry door & inside fireplace

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                               Kitchen side of fireplace(Cookstove location)

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                           Rear foyer view of fireplace to front door

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                               Living room of fireplace view

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on May 22, 2008, 03:23:44 PM
Looks great, Red!  Lots of hard work & detail   8)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 22, 2008, 04:04:46 PM
Thanks Sassy. The real challange is getting fake rock to appear as natural rock.  But that is part of the fun to see if you can make that happen.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on May 22, 2008, 04:52:45 PM
It looks great, John! Truly fine!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 31, 2008, 02:11:52 PM
Somewhat productive week afterall.  I managed to grout the first floor chimney stone to the point of getting on the scaffolding.  Since the weather was favorable I decided to tackle the chimeny above the roof line.  Well anyway theres the scaffolding again.  Can't seem to get away from it.  I used roof jacks on the opposite roofs  in the valley.  Then bridged those with 2X8 & 2X10's in a triangular fashion.  The using 2X material to the top of the buck I laided a gangplank over to the chimney.  I wonder what OSHA would say about that. :o
Although not pictured is the other valley which I made the same triangular platform but was able to crawl across the ridge (used the flue top as a work platform for stone and mortar)to reach instead of erecting another piece of scaffolding of which I didn't have anyway.


Well it didn't go without incident.  I had laid 75% and was on the side pictured and the generator started acting up. Oh yes it wasn't mine it was borrowed.  Mine is in the shop.  Anyway when I went to start it the rope handle broke. No problem I just took off the recoil and retreaded it back.  Then after a couple of pulls without started the other end broke in the inside.  Off again and retreaded it.  But apparently something didn't go back right so it is OOC for now until I get a chance to tear it down again.  Yes your right borrowed another for about 30 minutes and got it finished.  While everything was in place I grouted what I had done yesterday and very carefully what I did this morning.  Now with the exception of tearing down the platforms and the scaffolding I am done on the roof. 

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Well it didn't take long for the neighbors to try to root into the cabin.  Had the same ones visiting last year.  The porch post makes an ideal bedroom. I started daily to teardown the beginnings of the nest but over the weekend one was complete.  I figured they wouldn't be too much of a problem as I wouldn't be doing anything in that area for some time and she was more determined than I was.  Last year they laid two sets of eggs.  So far there is 4.  The nest was ample size with 4 little blue eggs but as you can see they quickly outgrew their home.  They can be a real PIA and messy.  This variety is a Eastern Phoebe.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 31, 2008, 03:43:15 PM
Well, they are cute and you did need another pet...
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on May 31, 2008, 04:06:08 PM
I had a nest in my cabin too John. The 2 chicks just left the nest last weekend. I didn't figure they'd be much trouble so I left the nest alone.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 31, 2008, 05:46:31 PM
Well Glenn I figure they will be there most of the summer. Last year they built a nest on the sill joist next to a rafter.  They had one set and before I could move the nest to work they laid another set .  I Moved it two rafters over and she found it and rised them also.  Were gone by fall. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 31, 2008, 05:53:09 PM
Maybe you could build her a little poop shelf and slip it in when she's not looking. [crz]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 13, 2008, 03:14:44 PM
This past week was an easy one. Not by choice mind you.  My generator bit the dust and I took it to the shop.  Borrowed a friends which is old and the recoil starter (plastic) broke.  I ordered a replacement part last week and it showed up today (friday) when I was finished for the week anyway.

Although I say easy it really wasn't. I did things that did not require electric or if it did I could run it from the inverter on the truck. Like the drill, 4-1/2 angle grinder which I used to lay the tile at the foyer entrance.  I also finished the stone grouting up to the point that I had stopped until I got my ceiling in.  Which I ordered locally from a mill. Without the insulation and ceiling the temp's in early afternoon were unbearable with the ouside at 96F the loft had to be well up to 100F or above. In addition I placed two log collar ties in the living room directly above the two ceiling beams I had in place.  Quite a small feat considering they must have weighed close to 100# each and I had to move them scaffolding level by level, one at a time to the ceiling. Construct deadman arms against the rafter to have them sit on until I could bolt them up.  I moved to the basement for wiring in the afternoon which was pleasant

Today I cut in the outside light boxes on the back of the cabin (Board and Batten Room).  I will be installing a light adjacent to each back door which will lead to the deck area on each side of the room. Eventually it will be connected at the end to form a "U" shaped walk around deck.

Since I had to take the light up to the cabin to get the exact measurment for the box placement I thought I would see what it looked like on the stone wall near the entryway of the front door.

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This is a picture of the slate tile that was laid in the foyer offset at the front door.  Later I will make a transition strip from the porch deck to the tile. 

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Oh yeah and by the way the phoebe laid 4 more eggs in the same nest.  At least I will have company to talk to in the next few weeks ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on June 13, 2008, 03:49:16 PM
Most impressive.  [cool] I really like how the entry is turning out.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on June 13, 2008, 04:48:06 PM
Dang, John. You do nice work!! :) :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 13, 2008, 06:29:14 PM
Very nice, John.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: BiggKidd on June 16, 2008, 05:02:48 AM
John,

  Your work is outstanding looks so sharp. That door the rock face and logs go togeather like a hand in a glove.

  Larry
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on June 17, 2008, 09:45:30 PM
Wow!  Fantastic  8)  Just got a chance to look at the pix  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CWhite on June 18, 2008, 02:57:17 AM
John, your place is looking wonderful.  I still think it looks like the entrance to a castle, even more so now with the stone step in front of the massive door and the light fixture looking like a lantern. 
Again, you are so neat.  It's always clean with not a speck of dirt anywhere.  I'm impressed. 
Great place, and I always look forward to seeing what you've accomplished.
Christina
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 21, 2008, 07:42:30 AM
Sorry no new pictures today but I thought I would bring anyone interested in the project up to speed. 

I spent the majority of the week covering the basement entry wall with stone.  Originally I was going to stone up to the rim joist and then finish off a 1X to cover he rim joist.  But being your own boss gives you the latitude to change your mind. ;D.  The rim joist was covered in Ice guard and then metal lathe attached.  Well sort of.  After going to the only building supply in my area they were out of lathe wire.  So I improvised by using rabbit wire instead.  Works basickly the same with the exception that it has to be attached more(nails). 

With my son out of school he was a big help this week mixing mortar.  That is one job that I am completely tired of.  Since I started I have probably mixed 200 mortar boxes full.  Anyway I went on the Mountain his morning to finish parging the small area to the left of the porch so that the stone could be lapped around the corner from the basement wall. 

Ran out of "iceguard" so I went to a neighbors who was building a cabin not far from mine.  He borrowed some 30# felt at the first of the week so I didn't even have any felt paper.  He had started a 28 X 36  2 story cabin on Monday and as of today they were putting the titaninum felt roof protection.  He has a friend from his home town in Charlotte,NC that builds houses.  He brought up a 8 man crew and amazing in one week that the rough is done including interior paritions.

Anyway back to my snail project.  Just in case you don't remember the photograph of the area that I was referring I included a photo so you would have some idea of what I had done.  Hopefully I will get a photograph in the near future to share.

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Now the only problem is that I probably created more work for myself in that the block retaining wall would look better if it had stone as well. :-\
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on June 21, 2008, 10:48:56 AM
I  agree you need more wire mortar and stone for those walls. Get busy.  d* J/K I love the cabin.

What are your plans for this place? Going to live in it or sell or what?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 21, 2008, 11:35:03 AM
Want to rent it?  Not real sure right now.  Originally was built to sell but if I can keep the cost down it would be nice to keep for family and friends.  Sort of like yours only 1-1/2 mile from the house. 

As for the walls.  No wire required just mortar and stone.  Not real high on my priorities right now.  Have to save something for later.  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on June 22, 2008, 11:37:33 AM
A throwaway plastic place mat strategically positioned makes them better room mates.  They feel safe there, or they would not have come back.  Means you're special.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 27, 2008, 09:18:01 AM
Well I promised some up-dated pictures so here they are. 
Finally finished with the stone for the time being.  Only have a very limited amount left to do on the flue once the flooring and ceiling is installed. I am going to have to figure out my materials a little better as I used everything down to the last corner stone and sand.  In fact I had to get 1- 5 gallon bucket of sand (neighbor) to finish grouting the kitchen exterior wall stone.  I am so used to having a little surplus.   ;D


Kitchen (east end) wall

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Kitchen wall and right front porch

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Basement entrance and left front

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Basement entrance view

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Can anyone find the additional work that I created for myself?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CWhite on June 27, 2008, 11:07:32 AM
John, that is looking so good, but you know you can't stop now.  You did it to yourself.
Am I to understand that you will be selling this place once you're finished? or are you going to use it yourself?
Christina
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 27, 2008, 11:11:41 AM
Originally was to be sold.  I have managed to keep the cost down considerably by doing most of the labor myself.  Also in doing so I manage to pay as I go sort of.  So right now I will keep it for my friends and family. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on June 27, 2008, 12:43:34 PM
Looks really good John. You have something to be proud of there. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 27, 2008, 07:47:12 PM
Nice update, John.  Really looks great.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 28, 2008, 07:59:22 AM
Well it looks like the "phoebe" will not be returning next year.  I usually leave the front door open to the cabin while I am working on the outside.  Apparently on Wed or Thurs she managed to fly into the cabin.  I noticed she had not been sitting on the nest but I thought she was gathering food.  On Friday I found her in the rough framing of the front door wall. Yes deceased.  I hate that as I know there are eggs in the nest but my plate is full and I can't incubate them.  Maybe the daddy bird will take over the function. I doubt.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 28, 2008, 08:57:55 PM
That's the breaks I guess.  I just couldn't hold it together to sit on eggs if I was the father. [crz]

Maybe some babies will come back.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 02, 2008, 12:24:31 PM
Finished up most of the remaining wiring today which was not done previously.  That was mostly the Board and Batten room and the two lofts.  This week has been a combination of cabin and house projects.  Used the cool mornings to stock up on firewood for the house and the hotter afternoons to run wire.  The majority of the wiring was completed on the log sections prior to chinking. The wiring was much easier that I could use the 2X6 framing as wire chases rather than snake it through the predrilled logs. 

Just glad Willy wasn't around to inspect.  I haven't wired all the circuits to the panel box as I am waiting on a hot day to work in the basement.  I guess tomarrow will be another firewood day in the AM and then errands in the afternoon. Another trip to town.  The dog and cat are due for their booster rabies shot.  The Vet only comes on Thursdays so I guess tomarrow is the day. I will also stop by the saw mill and see how my T&G order is progressing for the ceiling.  Needing approximately 1300 sq ft which is somewhere around 2600 ln ft. The cheapest I found on the linial feet was $.70 or $1.800.  As it turns out the local for sq ft was $1.15 or roughly $1,500.  I guess that is another example of "shop locally". 

Also glad school is out as I have drafted my son to help.  He helped me with the firewood.  He also is more agile than me to crawl in the crawlspace to pull wire.  Of course he didn't really mind as it was probably 10-20 degress cooler than upstairs.  All except the spiders.   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 14, 2008, 02:03:21 PM
It's amazing what a little paint will do.  Well actually stain.  I finished the front porch by adding the rake & facia board followed by staining all exposed white wood.  I had initially thought of a ceiling in the porch but decided against it.  After the rafters and the underside of the metal roofing was stained it is quite nice.  The stain was the same as used on all the overhang soffit and gable board and battens.  I purposely did not stain the rim joist and flooring yet.  Still have alot of materials that have to pass over it and I will wait until the majority of that is done and the yard is in better shape. 

Here is the latest photographs. Enjoy

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Morning sun

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Evening sun

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Although it doesn't show there is a good bit of difference in the appearance of the shading in color between the two different times of the South eastern view.
Back to firewood in the morning.

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 14, 2008, 03:37:51 PM
Looks great, John.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on July 14, 2008, 03:39:14 PM
ditto. Very nice John.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Alasdair on July 15, 2008, 01:30:47 AM
Fantastic! :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: apaknad on July 15, 2008, 04:15:28 AM
very impressive. what a wonderful blend of textures, styles and the old and new. you could help me build my place john and i wouldn't mind at all. ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 22, 2008, 04:24:15 PM
Spent the majority of the day pouring my concrete steps.  If nobody gains anything out of my project I hope they get this.  Don't pour your own concrete.

Seriously though it wasn't that bad only had to contend with an old mixer with a small drum. It was borrowed so not to wear it out I only mixed 1/2 -3/4 of it capacity.  Even then it took approximately 6 mixes.  The steps are approximately 8' wide and 12" deep with a 1-1/2 X 2" lip. So actually the tread surface area is 13-1/2" deep.  Yes I cheated some.  I had to PU a ton of sand and Type I/II cement.  While I was at it I also PU some cull blocks (8") for the reduced price of $.55 to use as fillers on the steps to reduce the amount of concrete. 

When I get the forms off I will try to attach a picture later.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 22, 2008, 06:08:18 PM
Now you are scaring me, John -- I just volunteered to help Harry pour his concrete walls 9' high.  Any pointers? :)

Not pouring conncrete is good advice - it's too much like work, but I'm a little whore and will continue to sell my body for money. 




(...at least for construction work-- I don't think I'd get anything for it in any other line.) [crz]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 23, 2008, 02:14:58 AM
Now you are scaring me, John -- I just volunteered to help Harry pour his concrete walls 9' high.  Any pointers? :)

Call in sick that day.

Not pouring conncrete is good advice - it's too much like work, but I'm a little whore and will continue to sell my body for money. 

If you sell your body then price it high.


(...at least for construction work-- I don't think I'd get anything for it in any other line.) [crz]

It's not too bad if you are ordering it from a batch plant but I would tremble at the fact of mixing a wall form by hand.  I say again " Call in sick" ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 23, 2008, 10:09:12 AM
Front steps poured 07/22/08.  They will be faced with stone as well as the adjoining piers on either side.

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Say Hello to my new neighbors.  Not really sociable.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on July 23, 2008, 12:31:05 PM
Nice steps John. I was going to build concrete steps but the wife vetoed them in favor of wood. She hates concrete for some reason.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 23, 2008, 02:44:31 PM
Scott I am just the opposite.  It is durable and very low maintenance.  If you are wondering whether it fits the theme of the cabin they are not done yet.  When the rock is laid on the riser and the piers the only visible portion to distinguish as concrete will be the treads themselves and the lip.

I had to retrain my brain so to speak when I moved from the house remodel to the cabin project.   Everything at the house is concrete. No wood deck just concrete patio's.  In the cabin I wanted to make it modern to a point but still retain the rustic cabin atmosphere.  Make sense  ???  .

Different scene different style

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on July 23, 2008, 08:46:10 PM
Such a beautiful job - the way you've integrated everything - btw, just saw some other pics I'd missed of the rock around the base of the house - June 27 or something - must have been working - I can't see the pics at work - then I miss a bunch of postings...  that home is really going to be an historical masterpiece!   8)

BTW, your other house is really nice too - kinda the contrast between our house in the valley compared to the cabin. The inside is pretty modern at the house although not much cement outside - Glenn made a lot of walkways of bricks & a circular courtyard with herringbone pattern next to the pond that he built with lots of different levels for flowers, trees etc.  Really pretty. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 25, 2008, 12:42:03 PM
Well it's finished more or less with the major outside work. Still some cosmetic stuff but no great rush.  Time to move inside. I have put it off as long as I can. That is having to leave the great outdoors and move inside. 

The steps and piers I finished today, grouting the rock that was laid yesterday.  I also stained the band board yesterday before the rock to avoid any spills or overspray.

I thought I would post a few pictures because from this point on they will be few and far between for awhile with the interior work. In fact I did do some interior nailing blocks in the gable ends of the roof for the ceiling.  My son was a great help.  I just called out the measurments and he manned the mitersaw.  Just 13 but uses his head (Most of the time).  I guess framing is in order for next week on the 1/2 loft bathroom.  Will have to take some figuring as it has to be directly over the 1st floor bathroom and with the slope of the ceiling it will be tight.  If it was a convientional ceiling it would be no problem but with the beams and T&G ceiling/floor it is a little different. Oh well I will figure it out.
 
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I just thought I would post a picture of the rafters on the porch with the purlins and metal sheeting shown. If anyone had an outside porch and was wondering about a ceiling and finishing it in some fashion this is what I did.  I used a oil/alk based semi-transparent stain and sprayed the metal roof(underside) at the same time that I sprayed the rafters.  It made a world of difference eliminating the raw wood.  The stain worked great on the metal just as if it were painted. 

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 25, 2008, 05:38:51 PM
Great idea, John.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on July 26, 2008, 11:22:21 AM
The place looks great John. The rock work really sets it off.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 26, 2008, 04:43:30 PM
Scott do you think the concrete steps are out of place since I  disguised them somewhat with the stone.  Trying to keep it as rustic as possible but bringing some modernism into play.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on July 26, 2008, 05:57:23 PM
People are used to seeing concrete. It seems to blend in nicely. I really think you nailed it.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on July 28, 2008, 04:52:01 AM
I'm impressed!   The steps look great. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: BiggKidd on July 28, 2008, 07:30:08 AM
John,

  Your place looks great. Its all comming togeather nicely. [cool] You are so talented. The cabin looks great. The rock facing looks so good.

Larry
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 08, 2008, 10:39:54 AM
Scott I am glad to see that I am not the only one who is framing against a roof pitch like your closet.  I framed out a bathroom in the loft (10/12) and used a 2X6 plate beveled 40 degrees on both edges.  I looked at a 2x4 plate but it left me with a void on either the inside or outside with 2X4 framing.  This allowed for the drywall to go all the way to the top without any voids.  Still it was a real PIA.

Got a question for a plumber but I think I am right.  With the loft bathroom I only have a 30" void to run the waste lines and supply down through the open beam ceiling.  So I sit the toilet and sink opposite each other and with a doorway it is approximately 80".  So I was thinking that there is no law made in stone that the P-trap has to be under the sink. I can run both the sink supply and waste line along & through the partition to get to the 30" area and then drop it to a stack waste line.  I was thinking I would install the trap approximately 40" from the sink. Does this sound workable.  To compound the problem I've got a pedestal sink which doesn't allow for much working room anyway.

Went and picked up the T&G for the ceiling this morning.  Bread and milk are not the only thing that has increased in value in the last 10 years.  1300 Sq Ft of 1X6 was almost $1,600 .   You could have bought the same amount then for about 1/2 then.  I still think I got a pretty decent deal as most lumber yards wanted $1,900.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on August 08, 2008, 10:54:21 AM
I did the same thing John. Ran a 2x6 through the table saw to get the angle for the top plate of my walls. I did the other side of the loft this morning. Not sure I follow what you're doing with the sink but as long as you have a trap between the sink and the sewer you should be ok. All the trap does is keep sewer gas out of the house. Needs to be accessable in case you get a clog though. Yes you did get a good price on the T&G. I got a quote of $900 for the 600 sf I need for my cieling. But thats for select 1x12 eastern white pine. I may opt for something else before it's all over. We'll see.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 08, 2008, 12:17:09 PM
Sorry Scott I didn't do a very good job explaining did I.  Picture a narrow rectangle 80" X 36".  The toilet (27" deep) will go on the one end facing the other end. The toilet is over the the 30" spacing (Beams run perpendicular to the rectangle). At the other end of that rectangle is the sink which is 18" deep and faces the toilet.  The opening between the two fixtures is the door opening. I will run the supply and waste of the sink toward the knee wall then along the wall until I can reach that 30" opening that the toilet is over top of. From there it will be run to a 3" partition drop in the 1st floor bathroom to the crawlspace. The elbow off the toilet in the loft bath will be hidden by a false ceiling in the 1st floor bathroom.  These bathrooms are sort of stacked.  Thats the only problem with an open beam construction is with wiring and plumbing to a second story.  I think I have it figured out though.  And yes the trap will be accessable behind the knee wall. Thanks for giving me the OK.

To think of it your Eastern White Pine might be coming from right here. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 12, 2008, 12:05:12 PM
Most of the bathroom framing is complete with the exception of the endwall over the sink area.  This is going to be a job for "homemade built ins" as the slope of the ceiling will prohibit any conventional medicine cabinet.  Maybe built the same angle that the roof has on one top corner. 

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Onto another delimia. I have 4 locust post 8" dia which failed to meet the ceiling(on roof slope).  They are the supports for the short log walls.  A friend recommended that I take the 3/4" T&G and kerf it longways and then soak and bend.  I have bent wood the horizontal fashion but never on the verticle.  The lengths will be from 18"-24".  Suggested that I use a top mounted piece of post (extra which I have) to attach the top of the T&G. I really had intended on converting the round tops to except conventional framing and just transition from round to square then cover with T&G.  At all of the four locations there will be a angled wall from the logs to the ceiling slope. To compound the problem one of the post and wall meet at an intersecting valley rafter. WATCH YOUR HEAD . Have to sleep on this for a while. I put a couple pictures in case someone has a idea.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: PEG688 on August 13, 2008, 04:56:34 AM

 Whats the question?

 You want to frame a 2x4 on top of the log wall ?

 Could you just cut the top of the vertical log off, then lag bolt a 2x4 or 2x6 (not sure how wide the logs are) on top of that log wall , plumb up on both ends to the rafters , snap a line between the two point and attach a top plate some how to the  rafter bottoms , then stud in between like a normal wall. Then apply your T&G boards to those studs running them down past the lower plate until the bump into the logs , you could cut a angle on them so only the  long points hit the logs and follow it along with those tips so even if it saw toothed  some it would 'look' normal / following the log shapes.

 Thanks for the kind words on The Fish Bench.   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 13, 2008, 11:01:53 AM
Peg basicly that was the original plan of building a frame wall.  The problem is how do you mate the round post 8" diameter to a 2X6" wall.  I thought I could rabbit the top 2- 4" or so of the log post and alaign my stud to the inside of that. Then when I put up the T&G on the wall and came down onto the post the T&G would fall flush to the outside of the post.  Either way I do it I am afraid there will be a noticable difference between the Post and the T&G . I will either have a small 45 deg hole at the corners looking up the post from the floor or a protrusion at the top of the log post where it meets the T&G.    But I guess it's true "you can't put a square peg in a round hole" or something like that on this.

As far as attaching the walls to the rafters it really wouldn't be a problem as I would just put nailers in between the rafters and attach the top plate to those where ever plumb would be. 

I realize how difficult it is to visualize something like this but thanks for your advice.  Just going to have to be one of those fly by my pants things.  Maybe a couple more nights thinking in bed will solve it.

 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on August 13, 2008, 12:55:25 PM
How bout running the chain saw down the top and cutting the post and top log flat for the wall to sit on. Then bevel the post top with a chisel to match the wall thickness.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 13, 2008, 02:58:07 PM
Scott I could use a draw knife and reshape the top of the post some but when making the transition from round(post) to square(T&G wall) I am not sure what that would look like.  I have already trimmed one post to the correct heigth to line up with sill or top plate of the B&B room so it's not a problem building the horizontal it is the verticle I was concerned with. 

Thanks for the suggestion.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: TheWire on August 13, 2008, 05:20:32 PM
To bevel or take the edge of the end of posts for log railings, I lay the logs on a radial arm saw set at an angle and take bevels off the edge.  I make a cut, rotate the log a bit and make another cut.  The randomness of the turns makes the bevel come out looking hand hewn.  I also use a power hand planer in the same fashion on logs already in place.

Jerry
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 13, 2008, 05:36:41 PM
Thanks Jerry I had considered using a hand powerd planer to let the T&G into the post also.  But my post are locust verticle in place 10' long.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 26, 2008, 03:22:37 PM
Glenn I would make you proud of me the last couple of days.  I broke out the chain saw for a construction tool again.  Cut off the locust post and starting building the small walls which tie to them.  Also cut back for the T&G to mate up to the round logs as well.  Not too much of a problem except for a wall that intersects in a valley rafter. Real PIA getting the angles right for the nailers going both directions from that inside corner.  Got one more to do tomarrow. Yeah that one. I saved the best for last  ;D

Got most of the insulation installed in the ceilings except for the location that I had to build the walls up to the sloped roof.  Moving right along.

Lost my right hand man this week.  School started. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on August 26, 2008, 07:30:12 PM
Somehow this got marked as read so I missed it, John, but you are right.  When you can't figure another way out, the chainsaw is always the answer - or in my case, the prime choice. [crz]

How about a palm nailer and individual nails for the hard spots, John? hmm


Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 28, 2008, 12:53:21 PM
OK here is a design question.  I plan on putting T&G Double V-groove on the ceiling.  I am considering putting it or drywall on the gable end walls above the logs.  If I do decide to go with the T&G would it look better running it horizontal or verticle.  The horizontal will make it appear that it runs continous from the ceiling across the gable wall and onto the ceiling again. The horizontal will break that pattern and show a distinct corner where the two meet.  In addition there will be drywall in the cabin so there is no getting around it ($$ wise).  I guess with drywall the color that it is painted will would probably be the deciding factor.

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Here is a picture of one of the shortwalls that I had posted earlier.  This was the "booger" that just happened to fall right under the valley rafters.  The additional picture is the type of material ( 2x6 t&g)that the wall will be faced with.  The post of course will be sanded and stained to match the samples and floor.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on August 28, 2008, 01:09:01 PM
I'd run it horizontal. But thats just me.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on August 28, 2008, 01:10:31 PM
Me too
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 28, 2008, 01:15:36 PM
Thanks Guys.  Wait to see what others think.

Glenn here is the satellite sight that I was referring to some time ago.  It is BM to my house.  Pretty good picture if you scroll out and in.  I just had it on my computer and thought I would send it to ya.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on August 28, 2008, 01:29:34 PM
Cool, John.  Your Dogtrot was not too far as I remember - up on the hill?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 28, 2008, 01:45:39 PM
Just to the east about 1/2 air miles.  There is a large clearing and it is just 1/4 mile south of that.  This image is not recent and the cabin is not on it.  Maybe the beginning clearing might be.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 29, 2008, 01:45:39 PM
If anyone tells you that insulation isn't what it's crack up to be tell them to see me.  I finally got all the ceiling and the walls in the B&B room finished except for a few cavities of plumbing.  I worked up in the loft area the last two days and there was a noticable difference in the temperature with just part of the ceiling done.  Before at noon it was adios until the next moning.  Hope it does as well this winter.  1700 Sq Ft is alot of staples.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: pioneergal on August 29, 2008, 06:27:06 PM
John,

The home is beautiful......awesome job.
It is simply amazing what you have done with this project!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 02, 2008, 02:56:56 PM
This is the ceiling to be.  I have spent the last two days staining and sealing the T&G for the ceiling.  A slow process to say the least.  30- boards (10-12') done.  Only 130 more to go.  The slow part is allowing the stain to dry before a sealer can be applied.  I am using a water base poly as recoat time is 15 min. The DW says the cabin is going to look like a battleship with all the grey tones.  I really couldn't find anything that went well with the weathered logs inside. The natural would have been too light and out of place.  I think this will tone it down and still remain light enough for a ceiling.  I can see this winter I am going to have to make me a couple more sets of sawhorses. 

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 02, 2008, 03:30:13 PM
Looks good, John.  Is that a pine bead board?  Looks like what you would see in an old house.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 02, 2008, 04:24:33 PM
Thats what it is.  1X6 with the bead makes it appear to be 2-2" boards.  The quality was real good as I work my way down through the pile.   Mostly all 10-12' which makes installation a lot easier.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 02, 2008, 09:47:01 PM
As with all of your work, I think it will turn out looking first class.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on September 03, 2008, 02:34:12 AM
Looks good John. Lots of work ahead I see.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 12, 2008, 06:40:29 PM
After a week of climbing scaffolding I am not quite at 50% of the T&G on the ceiling.  The roof slope 10/12 was not that difficult if I hadn't put  those (d#%*) ceiling beams in. Had to work off my knees for the last 6 feet.  With the ceiling beams I could not use scaffolding walkboard at two different levels because they were in the way so I had to go to the next level which was too high.  And then there was the placement of the cross arms which prevented moving the scaffolding very little.  Oh well I guess they will look nice once it done.  I didn't get any pictures taken of this task now but hope to next week

I got off easy trying to figure the run of the ceiling which was to be 23 couses per side.  Well I came up short at 22-1/2.  I guess the difference was that the tounge didn't seat in the groove as far as i had anticipated.  This was due to the way it was made with a stop that was put into the tounge side. But being that it was a double V-groove I ended up with just one half at the ridge and it just appears to be another 2" board and does not stand alone.  Now if I can get the other side to come out as well I  will be happy.

Tomarrows another day at the auction. Got to see what else they will have that I can use.  Probably a lot of cool toys. Got a couple of doors to pick up if the price is right.   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 14, 2008, 01:03:44 PM
Here are some pictures of the loft ceiling that I had done last week.  This makes 1/2 of the main run 40'. Still remaining is the other half and the Board & Batten room loft ceiling.  I saved the best til last. Not really.  The first was the easiest withthe exception of the triangular walls at the post top.  The other side will be the intersection of the two valley rafters and their intersection to the B&B loft. It will be a bugger I am afraid.  [noidea'

You can see the ceiling beams that I was referring to earlier.

Livingroom

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Livingroom to the loft room

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 14, 2008, 06:48:00 PM
Really looks great, John.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: PureCountry on September 14, 2008, 07:58:32 PM
John, I've just spent a little over an hour reading this thread from start to finish. Truly an admirable accomplishment IMHO.

Couple of questions - did you have other work going, or were you able to focus on this house alone?

And, since you went to the work of maintaining the original look so well, why the white vinyl windows and basement doors? Just seemed out of place in comparison to that gorgeous front entry door. And BTW, maybe I missed it, but where did you get that front door?

Thanks in advance, and once again, great job.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on September 14, 2008, 08:50:45 PM
Very nice, and I love the beams. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 15, 2008, 12:17:55 PM
PureCountry I struggled with the white windows for awhile.  It was just cost prohibitive to make everything original.  I tried to blend the best that my pocketbook would allow.  I weighed the windows against higher end products for the interior that I would probably look at more.  With the windows having to be special ordered in colors and sizes.   I probably saved 70% with the vinyle.  I have seen other log cabins with white so I guess it is permissible. If money was no object I would have probably done alot of others things to the cabin as well but I am trying to stay on my diet. ;D 

As for the time.   I am retired and have devoted the majority of my time 40-50 hrs a week to the cabin minus my honeydoo's, yard, cutting firewood and some farm work. Yes it has been a struggle for the last 2-1/2 years but being a one man crew I guess I have made some progress.  Several firing in the evening but usually a rehire by the morning. 

The door was purchased at a builders auction a couple years ago.  I have since found out that Home Depot has the same door and it sells for around $1,400. 2" Mahogany.  I paid more for it at the time than I normally spend for an entrance door but after hearing what it actually sells for I got over it easily.

Thanks for taking the time (didn't realize it had grew that much) and your comments.

John 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on September 15, 2008, 06:10:27 PM
Ceiling looks good John. Did you use scafolding? I'm wondering the best way to do mine.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 16, 2008, 02:15:00 AM
Sort of Scott.  You can see by my previous post.  If you had a open room and built up two and using a walk board between it would be a snap.  I only had one set with wheels which made it harder to situate them.  Going to start the other side this morning.  Finished the front wall yesterday 40' run. 

I hate the thoughts of starting that side.  Two valley intersections to contend with.  Not real sure how I will do that but it has to be done. Compound cuts  d*

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on September 16, 2008, 03:22:14 PM
I like the clean white crisp contrast of a white bordered window on a cabin.  I'm planning on it.  I think for me, things can get a little too rustic, and that is one way to balance it out a little.   

Although I live fairly close to Egg and I Road, I am not Ma Kettle....this year.  :D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on September 16, 2008, 05:36:26 PM
I found tan or sand colored vinyl at Lowe's for not too much above and beyond the standard white. It's a light shade as years ago they tried darl colors but the suns heat caused them to warp. Maybe that was just in the desert.  ???
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 20, 2008, 09:00:33 AM
The living room ceiling is now done except for some trim work around the bottom sides.  But I don't have to use the scaffolding at the second level.  Now onto the two other loft rooms and their intersections of valley rafters.



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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on September 20, 2008, 12:16:34 PM
Nice work John. You're making good progress.
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Post by: glenn kangiser on September 20, 2008, 01:20:22 PM
That is outstanding, John.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on September 25, 2008, 02:05:56 PM
Again, I love what you've done -  you've kept the antique look throughout & blended the different materials so well - you'll probably be considered a national landmark there with tour buses coming by  ;)   :D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CWhite on October 03, 2008, 10:01:20 AM
I checked in here just to see your progress today.  Great looking T&G ceiling.  I know you work so hard to make everything just perfect.  It really shows.
Christina
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 03, 2008, 12:27:52 PM
Well the ceiling is basicly finished.  Just lack a few blocks where the electrical boxes are for light and fans. There is a small area of ceiling remaining in the loft bathroom but I will have to determine where I am going to run my vent pipe and any lighting overhead or should I say by the head since it will be on the sloped ceiling.  I am considering vanity lights as an alternative.  Although the ceiling was relatively easy in comparison to the return of the 45 deg to the lofts in a 10/12 pitch going up the valley rafter at 37 deg.  The best solution was to trim out that intersection with a 1X2 stained the same as the ceiling. 

The stone work is basicly finished also which was done at the ridge area after the ceiling T&G was completed. There is a small area at the bottom of the flue which will be done after the flooring and tile is laid.

In addition I had a issue of hiding the sandwiched top plate on the logs.  The solution was to use the left over 2X6 T&G that I had from the floor and run it verticle from the bottom of the 2X10 to meet on the ceiling.  One side is done and I have to stain and finish some more for the other opposing wall as well as the little short walls in the loft areas.

Here are some pictures of the finished products.

Living room

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Living room side wall

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Soon will be drywall time on the end walls of the log section, the two lofts and the bathroom.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on October 03, 2008, 02:12:56 PM
Looks really good John.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 03, 2008, 07:00:25 PM
Drywall, John? hmm

Not plaster and lath? :(
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Whitlock on October 03, 2008, 07:59:13 PM
That is one nice place you have built there John [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 04, 2008, 03:04:56 AM
Glenn I would do plaster but paying for your flight to the coast to finish it would escalate the cost too much. ;) Still not really sure of the finished effect on the drywall.  Knock down? Been milling the idea of batten strips or a combination of the two or something entirely different. I am sure I will come up with something that is appealing to the eye and the pocketbook. 

I think my previous post was a little misleading.  I thought everyone thinks the way I do .   ??? The drywall will only be used on the end walls of the loft.  The ceiling is T&G.  The kneewall is 24" so that a sheet of drywall could be split to go further.  I will have to calculate the amount of T&G for the kneewalls to see if I could do it as effective.  Cost wise I doubt. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 04, 2008, 05:57:38 PM
Dang it -- missed a flight.

We'll let you off this time I guess.  You can plaster over the drywall for a plaster look.  I did the knock down at our other place...you know - the one that's above the surface... :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 10, 2008, 12:34:31 PM
Finally decided on how to mate the square walls with the round verticle logs.  Without disfiguring the logs I cut a 45 deg angle on the face end which slopes to the wall on both sides of the verticle T&G.  There is no easy way to make this transformation or trim them to match so this is as close as it get.  Shoot it's just a log cabin ;D.

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Glenn I got out the chain saw again today .
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on October 10, 2008, 01:01:51 PM
Looks ok to me. When you moving in?  ::)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 10, 2008, 04:43:48 PM
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Glenn I got out the chain saw again today .

The only way to do precision work.  Some people are still using rocks lashed onto sticks.  d*
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 10, 2008, 06:21:19 PM
Scott seams like there are still tons of work to be done.  Drywall which is my least favorite subject.  Plumbing another of my least favorite things.  Then of course straightening up the electrical, generator, kitchen cabinets, hardwood floors, tile and the list goes on. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on October 11, 2008, 08:18:17 AM
You've done an "outstanding" job, Red!  Lots of time consuming, difficult work there but you've made everything look really great & work together  8)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on October 13, 2008, 03:26:24 PM
Looking very nice John!   :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 19, 2008, 08:39:30 AM
Real busy week but productive.  I finally got all the highwalls trimmed out in the livingroom and loft log section where the log walls meet the ceiling. Also got the 3/4" T&G stained and installed on the entry way of the main entrance.  Biggest challange was cutting the bottom trim (3-1/2" wide) to form a 3/8" lip and 3/8" projection to go on the bottom of the 2X T&G to hide the raw edge on a table saw with the pieces being 12' long.  But with the aid of my helper(son) we got it done.

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Loft

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Livingroom

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on October 19, 2008, 05:30:19 PM
Looking good John. The place has a real pioneer feel to it.  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 19, 2008, 05:59:00 PM
Really great chainsaw work, John.  That place has real class.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 20, 2008, 02:03:52 AM
Thanks Scott & Glenn for your comments.  I guess I will tackle the verticle Locust post next.  Had plugged all the lag bolt holes a couple days ago.  Wanted to get them finished before the flooring because of the stain work.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 22, 2008, 01:56:52 PM
Finished the locust post which are either the short log wall support or the landing for the stairs.  They will pass the "pantyhose test". If you are wondering WHAT?  If a lady would walk buy she wouldn't get a run because of any rough area. The stain was as close as I could get to the actual log color and it's what I had on hand.  The 4"X8" beams were stained the same as well at the T&G beside the door.  As you can see it takes on different effects on different species of wood. Buy not all the logs are the same color either. 

Next in a continuing sage is to re-coat all the 4X8's as they had stayed outside for several months before a roof was installed.  They were stained and two coats of poly was applied originally.  They actually held up well considering.

Here is a few pictures of the post if anyone would want to take a gander and figure out what I am talking about.

Inside of front door


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Kitchen short wall


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Opposite side of entry door (kitchen)

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Back Foyer.  View of where the stairs will be(ladder site)

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on October 22, 2008, 03:35:43 PM
Very nice work John. Looks better every time I see it. I'm jealous.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 22, 2008, 05:55:29 PM
Thanks ScottA.  One piece at a time. Plenty of time to think how to do the next step  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 28, 2008, 03:18:11 PM
Not very productive today.  Early release from School so I managed to get 1/2 day on the cabin.  Temporarily installed a Ashley wood stove to the Kitchen flue.  Within 3 hours the temperature raised from 36F to 53F.  Installed part of the living room gable end drywall.  Outside temp's never got above 30F with blowing snow.  The stove felt pretty good compared to last year without any heat.  Even if it does not get it toasty inside it is a place to back up to and thaw out a little.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on October 28, 2008, 03:20:21 PM
I know what you mean    :) :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 31, 2008, 04:20:15 PM
Seems like a full week of work and nothing appears to get finished.  That's what breaks the boring parts.  Did start finishing the drywall.  At least the first two coats.  I will quote a saying that pretty well pertains to my drywall which was stated by phalynx " I hate drywall".  But as many things in life you have to live with it and move on.

Gable of living room

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In addition I got the slate tile laid in front of the fireplace.  The 2X material is just temporary to protect the edges until I get the flooring laid.

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With the weather being what it was today I switched gears and began the basement retaining walls which I was going to put off until spring.  With the generator installation it would be difficult to pull it back out after connecting the electrical and gas lines so I will try to get it stoned this fall.   The forecast is  the 50's next week so I jumped at the oppurtunity and parged a portion of the wall today. Monday I will start laying the stone which will mimic the already laid basement entrance.

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In case your are wondering what the yellow is at the base of the walls.  This is sand that will absorb the falling mortar from adhering to the concrete slab.  By just sweeping after the parge and stone is laid it will clean up easily without scraping.

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I will still have about 1/2 the remainder of the wall to do on the left side which will contain the propane tank which I can move fairly easy with the tractor.  Besides it is a good place to store my sand in the time being.  Just have to remember to cover it as the pine needles and leaves are falling faster and faster these days.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on November 01, 2008, 12:39:14 PM
Comming along nicely John. I know how it feel to work all week and not see anything that looks like real progress. You're getting there though. Going to be a real showplace when you're done.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on November 01, 2008, 12:42:57 PM
They'll have to post pix of your cabin on the "Antique Cabin" site - all the special touches you are adding takes time but sure looks great!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 02, 2008, 08:51:43 AM
Sassy & Scott thanks for the encouragement.  Sometimes you can't see the forrest for the trees when you get involved in a long time project.  A lot of back peddling so to speak. 

Sassy I doubt it will make it there. Shoot they probably have as much in one room that I have invested in the whole project.  Either way I am sure I will be pleased when it is finished. 

Scott I do enjoy a challange.  Believe me this has been a challange from the get go. But I still show up everyday and work out the details.  Sometimes they work themselves out as I progress.  There are certain things that are far from the normal construction that I look back now and wonder how I got it to work. Most of which I was familar with but some things new to me . Just about as much time figuring how to do it as there was doing it. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on November 03, 2008, 03:29:15 PM
" I hate drywall". 

Ditto, John..  >:(
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 04, 2008, 05:36:36 AM
" I hate drywall". 

Ditto, John..  >:(

I satisfied a lady with mine the other day. 

It's not my favorite but I am fair at it. 

I've done enough to be decent at it at least.

Still with all that said, doing it for long periods of time can be really tiring.

My old dead uncle taught me how to do it starting when I was about 9 years old.

Drywall can be hard work. :)

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 04, 2008, 01:32:55 PM
Just to show you how much I dislike it I moved to the outside and worked on the rock retaining wall just to keep from doing it.  No not really but the thought had crossed my mind.   ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 07, 2008, 12:40:38 PM
After a weeks work I now am ready for the generator.  I got the stone laid on the retaining wall which will house the generator and propane tank.  The propane tank area will have to wait until next spring but I will have the tank set and move it later.  You will have to agree that this looks better than before.  The stone laying is a three part sequence of parging, laying and grouting.  I figured out that the time spent on 138 sq ft came out to about 3.45 feet per hour. 

The wall before

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The wall afterwards

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No thats not clouds.  It is the wood stove smoke.  I did some drywall mudding this morning and started a fire to warm the wall up some. 

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I guess next week will be the plumbing and some more drywall unless I can dream up something to do outside. ;D



Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on November 07, 2008, 01:40:01 PM
Looks sharp John.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 07, 2008, 07:07:28 PM
Much prettier than block, John
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on November 07, 2008, 07:09:00 PM
Wow! Looks terrific!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Whitlock on November 07, 2008, 08:12:02 PM
Looks great and I  love the rock work  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on November 08, 2008, 09:05:37 AM
So do I!   :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 17, 2008, 12:55:15 PM
Not too much accomplished this past week with this cold,flue or whatever I have.  Did manage to finish off the gable end of the living room wall and primed. The mantle was installed and some other things which didn't require alot of energy but were necessary.

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I also finished the mantle log.  It is a hand hewed log that I cut down to 5-1/2".  When I started with it the demensions were 7-1/2" thick, 16" wide and 16' long.  After the mantle selection was made I still have enough to make a 5' bench with 2' tall legs. But that will have to wait.  I counted the growth rings and there was approximately 176 rings.  So it you convert that to years it is at least 176 years old.  Probably a little more as there wasn't much distinction in the rings and I probably missed a few that had been taken off the back side to make it fit the block on the flue flush.

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I sanded the top and face then applied 3 coats of poly to get a dust free finish for easy cleaning. I hate to turn such a beautiful piece of lumber up that you can't see.  This is a picture looking at the top of the mantle from the loft.

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This is the underside of the mantle which is the original hand hewed which rest on the rock support arms.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on November 17, 2008, 01:31:03 PM
That's a beauty John.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at High Top
Post by: Whitlock on November 17, 2008, 02:20:01 PM
Looking good [cool] I'm still jealous :-[
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 17, 2008, 05:59:02 PM
I just happened to think about the mantle.  It has probably been cut for close to 100 years.  Given the growth rings that would make it almost 300 years old.  Probably not that many ancient pieces of timber in a house today.  Amazing I think.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 17, 2008, 07:04:18 PM
That's cool. :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: cordwood on November 17, 2008, 07:17:39 PM
I just happened to think about the mantle.  It has probably been cut for close to 100 years.  Given the growth rings that would make it almost 300 years old.  Probably not that many ancient pieces of timber in a house today.  Amazing I think.
The only thing that old around here are the jokes about my building techniques ??? :-[
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CWhite on November 21, 2008, 06:51:55 AM
Beautiful mantel and nice rock work.  I especially like the key stone in  your fireplace.

Your appreciation for the years it took to grow your mantel are just one piece of why that house is going to be very special. 
Christina


Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on November 21, 2008, 07:22:16 AM
Good morning! - I would really like it if you would post a picture of your Ashley wood stove. 

We had one when I was a kid.  It looked like a big metal box with rounded ( I think) corners and tiny mica windows.  There was the word "Ashley" cast in one piece of metal and fixed somewhere on the front of it.

We used to bath and then run to the stove to get warm again.  My sister backed up too close one time and got "Ashley" branded backwards you know where.  I was probably 4 or 5, and was just learning to read, and thought it hilarious to see letters printed backwards.  Got in a little trouble for the uncontrolled giggling when I should have been sympathetic. 

Just wonder if the stove is similar or been modernized over the years.   :)   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on November 21, 2008, 09:02:10 AM
Great story, considerations, lol!  Yes, desdawg - your place is wonderful - so much thought & care taken to make it just right!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CREATIVE1 on November 21, 2008, 10:17:49 AM
Looked at your slideshow for the first time.  The details are absolutely MINDBLOWING.  :o   A custom builder would have trouble even coming close.  I'll have to send the pictures to my prospective crew.  You're doing so many things that I had in mind, like mixed siding materials, interesting window trim, etc.  Exacto set, here I come.  Again, WOW.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 21, 2008, 02:34:54 PM
Considerations I will post just for you next week if I think about taking the picture.  It is the newer cheaper style.  Sort of a box but better than I had in there.  My grandparents had one similar to what you were describing and when I was growing up we did the same thing to theirs.  But we really headed to the little area between the cookstove and the wall 1st thing in the morning.   Try getting dressed in that little area and yes we got branded a few times ourselves.  Nothing permanent to show but the memories have lasted forever.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 21, 2008, 05:49:19 PM
Christina even still I run across little things with the logs that I hadn't caught before.  Makes you wonder why , how and for what purpose did they serve.  I managed to save a couple of round handmade pegs that I will try to save and display in a shadow box along with the draw knive that I used and other artifacts. One peg I just left in the hole.

I don't know if you picked up on the extra log that was left from the mantle.  Will make a beautiful bench for the kitchen. But that is later.



Thanks for the reply
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 21, 2008, 05:53:34 PM
CREATIVE1  thanks for the comments.  Alot was done out of neccessity just to make things work out and others were "the little touch" as they say.  If you saw something that I might be able to help you with just let me know.  Not that I did it right or wrong but I will tell you how I did it.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CREATIVE1 on November 22, 2008, 06:19:48 AM
Might be giving you a holler in the spring.  From building one house already, I know how many decisions are involved.  Help is appreciated.  And as you say, some choices have more to do with serendipity than planning ahead. :D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 26, 2008, 04:20:58 AM
Haven't made it to the cabin since Saturday when I dropped off a Generac 12KW on the front porch that I PU on Craigs List in the Shenandoah Valley.  Had never been used.  The lady had bought it 2-1/2 years ago for a house her and her husband was going to build but ended up getting a divorce.  Good buy as it was almost 1/2 of what a new comparable sized one cost now.

Anyway yesterday was disasterious.  We had freezing rain on Monday PM and with the packed snow on the road it turned to shear terror.  About 1 to 1-1/2" of ice.  There are about 5 switchback turns that lead up to the cabin off the paved road.  Upon turning off the main road I was met by a truck parked.  The passenger said there were two vehicles overturned down the embankment at two of the turns.  One of which was a couple hundred feet from the cabin.  As it turned out an elderly gentleman from New Jersey (passenger) in one of the overturned trucks had died as of a heart attack after the wreck.  Had heard theat he had heart problems and panicked when they smelled gas.

Well to compound the problem the ambulance tried to drive up and ended up crossways in the turn at the location of the first accident nearly overturning on top of the previous accident vehicle just lacking 6-8" from the embankment.  That was 1 mile from the fatality accident.  The paramedics had to walk to the site.

The road is a all time favorite route for hunters so with all said and done there was several vehicles either overturned on the embankment or the ditch that had to be pulled out.  A friend of mine operates a towing service and arrived shortly after I did.  We installed chains on all four wheels of his 4 wheel drive wrecker and after  8 hours of snatch blocks, chains, cables I finally got home some 8 hours afterwards. 

I did manage to get up to the gate of the cabin early and unlocked them so the emergency workers and salt truck could turn around. 

A somewhat comical ending was that just before the end of the day we went and locked the gate to the cabin and then proceeded to the last remaining wreck to pull the truck overturned below the cabin.  While over the embankment a friend of mine from Charlotte came down the hill and said "You locked me in".  I said what and he went on to explain that he had taken his friend to look at my cabin and I had locked the gate while they were there unknown to me.  He did manage to climb a dirt embankment that I had put at the gate.  He told me that he would fix it in the spring. ;D

Without chains it was useless to try to drive up that road but many tried and usually didn't succeed.  It's like " I have four wheel drive and I can walk on water".  Four wheel drive in this circumstance was useless unless you had chains.  I didn't so my truck stayed parked at the bottom.  Even though it is a USFS road they did manage to get the county highways department to cinder it to my cabin. :).  But there was still 4-1/2 miles left untreated to the top.  Like most times I didn't have a camera to capture the events.  Will try to get up there today as the cinders improved the surface to where a standard 4 wheel drive could make it.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CWhite on November 26, 2008, 06:15:43 AM
Geez John, what a nightmare! 
Sorry to hear about the victim.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on November 26, 2008, 07:34:36 AM
Here in the west there are roads and times when all vehicles are required to have chains. Chains are a part of your ski equipment if you are a serious skier. Sure adds up when you have a 4WD.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on November 26, 2008, 08:44:37 AM
Whew, what a day!  Wouldn't have wanted to be an emergency worker in that...  no injuries?  Sad about the man who died...  that must have been pretty scary for him.

I used to drive on black ice all the time in Washington during the winter - but we had studded tires which really helped - I'm sure they tore up the roads but sure helped you stay on them!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 26, 2008, 08:49:29 AM
What an ordeal, John.  Somehow I missed this yesterday.  Sassy pointed me to it.

Chains are required here or you don't go, but I have seen in Illinois that they were not even allowed.  They made wide edges for people to crash off the road into. d*  ...and there were lots of cars off the road waiting for a wrecker when I was there.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on November 26, 2008, 08:58:30 AM
Back home I used to run studs on all four wheels on the car. They were only allowed during the winter months.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 26, 2008, 12:06:52 PM
Same here Don.  Only allowed from October to April.  If I had an extra set of rims I would consider studs but too much hassel to re-mount them in the spring and fall.  Also the extra expense of buying two sets of tires.  With 10 ply one set is about all I could afford every three years or so.

Yes Glenn we have an area off the side of the road as well it is called a Hollow.  Tree's are the guardrail if you are lucky. d*

Sassy there wasn't anyone hurt besides the elderly gentleman.  It is amazing that they were not more people hurt as both turned up side down and went into about a 20' ravine.  And yes Black Ice is bad.  I had a trooper that worked for me several years back that hit it on approach to a bridge responding to a domestic situation.  Ended up in the water and it was several hours before anyone found him.  He didn't make it.  To compound the situation his wife (married one year) had found out that day she was pregnant.  Still keep in touch but still felt responsible for a long time but am eventually coming to peace with it.

Well on the lighter side the temp went up to 35F and some of it started melting off the road.  With the cinders put on yesterday I made it to the cabin with no problem and worked most of the day on the plumbing.  Temp in the cabin was 30F when I got there and lit the stove and it raised to 45F by the time I left.

Just to add to the hetic of yesterday my son has been hunting with my wife's cousin and of all places they went was on top of the same Mountain above the cabin.  I talked to him on the phone from the camp and he said they didn't have any problems although it was slick going and coming.  I just wonder how they even made it up there but they did and returned safely.  Just a few more grey hairs to add to the rest that I have left.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: peteh2833 on November 26, 2008, 02:01:32 PM
Redoverfarm, What do you do for a living??? Pete
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 26, 2008, 06:42:29 PM
Pete check your message box.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: peteh2833 on November 26, 2008, 07:52:32 PM
I sent you a message back. Pete
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 04, 2008, 02:21:37 PM
The majority of this week was spent on the plumbing.  Anything but convientional for the most part.  Everything is done to the crawlspace area with the exception of the shower which I will have to build in to determine the supply and drop locations.  As you can see in the photograph I had only one partition that I could use for the drop and supply lines given the beams and open ceiling.  I have a stacked 1/2 bath over the main bath of sorts.  At least the toilet is in the 30" area of the ceiling over the main floor bathroom.  There will be a dropped ceiling to hide the toilet waste and supply of the same T&G as the main ceiling. Now for the loft bathroom sink I had to get inventiive as it is not over the drop area.  My solution was to go around the room wall until I reached that 30" area.  This will be hidden as well with a cabinet/shelf area.  I managed to vent the system in the vicinity of the loft bath ceiling and out the metal roof. I don't profess to be a plumber but I think this will work.  Did I mention before that next to drywall I hate plumbing as well. [yuk]

Main bathroom

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Loft bathroom

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Roof Vent

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This is the 12KW generator that I purchased a couple of weeks ago.  This is as far as it has gotten since it weighs 470 pounds and I didn't have the tractor to unload it. I just slid it off the truck to the front porch. Doesn't look the best there but hey it's no a refrigerator. ;D  When I get up on the mountain with the tractor I will move it to it's new home in the retaining wall that I stoned a couple weeks ago.  If the weather holds off a little longer I might even get it installed.

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Considerations this is the Ashley stove that I had temporarily put in the kitchen for a little heat.  It is probably not the one you remember. A newer verson of a box stove style.  But it does help. Eventually there will be a wood cookstove in that location.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on December 04, 2008, 02:37:54 PM
Big generator John.  :D What fuel... you might have stated that before but I don't recall.  :(

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: phalynx on December 04, 2008, 02:46:17 PM
Redover,  you don't like plumbing, don't like sheetrock, do you like the generator?  I'll help you get rid of it....   ;D  lookin good.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 04, 2008, 02:50:38 PM
Don it is a propane.  A little bigger than I had originally planned but for the price (probably 1/2 of retail) I couldn't pass it up.  It will not be the primary.  If I can swing it a battery bank, controller and inverter will do most of the time.  The only down side which is just a small obsticle is that they were designed to trinkle charge the battery off of the grid power which I will not have now.  I will have to change to trinkle off the generator or a small set of solar to charge the battery.  I still have a long way to go but I am getting closer. ???
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 04, 2008, 03:13:31 PM
Redover,  you don't like plumbing, don't like sheetrock, do you like the generator?  I'll help you get rid of it....   ;D  lookin good.


I might rephrase that.  I don't actually hate them it is just one of those areas that I am not that knowledgeable of or haven't perfected them YET. 

I might also mention that adjacent to the drop for the loft toilet in the main bathroom ceiling there will be a exhaust fan/light centered.  I just have enough room for the exhaust (4") to pass between the beam and the waste pipe. 

Dealing with an open ceiling and beams takes on a new meaning when it comes to running utilities.  Ceiling lights wiring chases have to be routed as well and way before you are ready to put anything in that glows.  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 09, 2008, 12:39:57 PM
Dispite the cold temperatures I did manage to get a little work done.  I completed paneling the wall in the loft which will be at the top of the steps.  The transition went pretty good from the round locust post to the wall.  Also I put the ceiling T&G in the bathroom.  In addition I rough framed the shelf and storage area in the bathroom.  There are three same size openings under the shelf which will eventiually become cabinetry of doors and drawers. If access is ever needed to the plumbing then removal sould be pretty simple. 

Loft bathroom wall at stair top

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Loft Bathroom

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Just to let you know that not everything is as it appears.  Consideration I think made a comment on how neat everything was in the photographs without any mess in the background.  Well this is the way I left it today.  Was in a little bit of a hurry as the daughters school Christmas program is this evening.  It will be there when I get back

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 09, 2008, 05:19:24 PM
I apologize Consideration it was CWhite that said that.  Anyway it is orderly most of the time but it is very easy just to walk off and leave to later.  But then later comes and you have to clean it up so I just try to keep on top of it as I go and makes finding things a little easier.  But I still can't find what I am looking for half the time. ???
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 09, 2008, 08:27:29 PM
That is a great mess pix, John.  You don't want to see my shop or back seat of my truck.  At least I'm not the only one. :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on December 09, 2008, 08:42:42 PM
Ok - I have to chime in about this neatness thing..quest, journey....since I've already been referred to...I just spent Monday and Tuesday morning cleaning the inside of the cabin, sawdust an inch thick and little chips everywhere, tools, you name it.  All because i wanted to visualize a staircase that just didn't want to fit into the corner.  I grudgingly admit it paid off.

It's nice to know that there are others that work and work and work and suddenly realize that no more progress is possible without a "tidy up reset".

I just tried not to take any pictures when the mess was at critical mass. I guess I can relax a little now.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on December 09, 2008, 09:53:15 PM
I always try to make the last thing on a work day a clean up. I was taught to never leave a messy worksite, even if I was going right back to it the next morning. OTOH, my garage does get a bit out of hand at times. Hard to reconcile the two.  ???  Actually I need another garage, that might help.

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 09, 2008, 10:03:03 PM
...still I don't see how people can survive without at least some piles of unnatural resources. [waiting]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 10, 2008, 03:10:51 AM
But sometimes it doesn't pay to be too tidy.  I had swept an area where I had cut, chiseled and drilled for the main bathroom.  Then I went on a search for my bit extender.   No where to be found.  Yeah you guessed it.  I looked into the wood stove where I had threw the chips and sawdust.  Low and behold the next day there it was.  Sort of took the temper out of it.  Just another item to pick up when I get to the big city.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CWhite on December 15, 2008, 11:00:24 AM
I like the mess picture too.  You are human afterall. 
I swept and cleaned my building site almost everyday after the crew left in the afternoon.  They must have felt like they had elves working with them.   I just considered it one of the jobs I wasn't paying them to do. 
I do admire how organized you stay.
Christina
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 18, 2008, 03:58:19 PM
The last couple of days have been spent installing the bathroom fan/light unit in the downstairs bathroom.  I had considered installing one in the loft but after thinking it over I decided not to.  For one reason there shouldn't be very much humid air given off by a toilet and sink. Secondly with the sloped ceiling it would be very difficult to install and would have to be vented directly to the roof.  I didn't have the clearence in the rafter as well.  The duct work as well as the plumbing pictured will all be above a dropped ceiling which will resemble what is already there  between each beam.  I will drop it to where there is 1/2" reveal of the beam.  Yes it may look odd but I am hoping it will blend in with the rest of the ceiling.  With the loft 1/2 bath I don't really have an option.

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Outside wall cap of vent.

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Started on the range hood roughin today.  I am a little worried about the heigth of the hood in relation to the floor and counter top.  I don't really have a reference to go by.  Again not a lot of option as I have to run the vent through the log wall chinking.  The finished measurement to the bottom of the hood from the floor is 60".

The manufactured recommended at least 55 Sq.In. of exhaust transition to a 8" round vent duct. .  I am planning on pushing the envelope a little with only 48 (3X16 rectangle)but may go to 64(4X16 rectangle).  The range hood is a little upscale from the ordinary Broan or Nu tone. I bought it at an auction.  It is a 11.2 amp motor with a 600CFM fan and 2-3" flood lamps.  I tested it out with a jumper wire to an extension cord.  I think on high it has more power than my Husky leaf blower.  Things blew everywhere. 

I really didn't want to build the unit into the chase but the way it is made and the lack of access to hook the vent pipe I will have to.  I looked at the unit and all the components can be serviced or removed from the bottom filter area so it looks like that is the way I will go.  I am waiting on a friend to make the transition, the vent duct and dampered wall cap before I can build it in.  I did manage to frame the sidewall.  I can plywood and lathe the sides and wait until it is installed to do the front portion.  The completed three sides of the frame will be covered in rock similar to the rest of the stone work in the cabin.

This is an "Independent" range hood. Looks like it should have wheels and steering wheel in this picture.

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Rough in of frame.  Stone will cover all wood of the frame to the ceiling.  The vent will go in the chink joint pictured in the middle of the straight on picture.

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I can't get used to this weather.  It feels more like early spring.  The road and ground have already been frozen once and now it is thawing out. The road is turning into a real mess up to the cabin.  Something I usually only see in March.

Still undecided about a back splash behind the gas range.  I hate to cover the log walls.  Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: brian_nj on December 18, 2008, 04:04:44 PM
looking good, honestly looks better than many I have seen do it who make a living at it. I will give you two more suggestions 1. use a silicon caulk and seal the seams of the elbows and 2. insulate the pipe.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 18, 2008, 04:17:33 PM
Thanks brian.  I used regular aluminum foiled duct tape to every joint.  Plan on the same for the range hood.  I was wondering about the insulation for the range hood.  There will not be any part exposed to the outside except the wall cap.  Everything else will be on the interior space.  Is the insulations purpose to eliminate a temperature change and condensation?  With it being on the interior heated area would it really be required?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on December 18, 2008, 04:27:06 PM
Looking good John. I'm going to need to figure out my vents pretty soon too. How bout a piece of roofing metal for the backslash. Maybe you got a scrap left over?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on December 18, 2008, 04:38:07 PM
I wouldn't think there be any need to insulate pipe within the house walls.


For the bcksplash how about some of those antique looking tin panels, pressed or stamped designs. They even have some plastic ones that are quite good at fooling ya. We're toying with them for our cabin bqcksplash.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 18, 2008, 06:05:07 PM
Don I had toiled with the idea of tin backsplash but I am not sure what it would look like in that particular setting.  I had even thought of doing the wall in rock to match the range hood surround over the range.  But there again it isn't very durable in the aspect of grease from the range.  I think it would look OK but to clean I am not sure.  There willbe very little cabinetry on the wall.  2-36" base units and two 36" upper wall units with glass doors.  I decided since space was as issue I would move the sink to an island and have an additional 24" on one end for doors or drawers.  But with only a little over 200 sq ft there is just so much you can do.  I have a little more area that I could use a stand-a-lone pantry in a corner that would help.  Just something about doing a log house you hate to cover the walls up and loose the effect.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: brian_nj on December 18, 2008, 06:16:48 PM
insulation is not required for the range hood as the length of run is usually too short to have much of a temperature difference now if you were running it up to the roof that would be a different story. The bathroom on the other hand has a longer run so a temp difference is common and also it is dealing with realy moist air so the insulation will help catch any drops that sneak through the tape to prevent ceiling problems over time and also keep it aloft so there is not a constant point that the moisture hits increasing the chance of mold.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 18, 2008, 06:21:42 PM
Brian thanks again.  I was going to insulate the bathroom vent.  The damper is at the unit and about 7 feet of duct that would be exposed to the cold air.  I also need it as a sound damper for the batroom plumbing from upstairs. 

Also sent you a PM.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: brian_nj on December 18, 2008, 06:43:40 PM
you might want to look into the black foam pipe insulation it is a lot denser and absorbs the noise better than any fiberglass type. also if you put the seam up at the tup of a pipe run it will give you even more protection against sweating pipes leaking through the ceiling
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 22, 2008, 01:32:48 PM
No pictures today.  The camera froze up.  No seriously it was just the beginning of putting up the drywall in the gable ends of the loft's.  Had my son help me yesterday heave them up to the landing from the first floor.  I should have already made my stairs or at least a temporary set that I could have exchanged for the permanent one later on.  Oh Well.  It was 6 F when I left the house this morning.  The inside temp was 20F.  After 3-4 hours it rose to 38F in the downstairs.  The loft was a good bit warmer than that. Maybe 45F didn't have a guage up there. There apparently was a heat wave today sometime as it rose to 16F when I got home.  Tomarrow I will work on the smaller loft gable.  Then the remaining drywall and some pieces would do the short kneewall in the large loft.  Too cold to finish anyway but I can hang until my hearts content.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Bishopknight on December 22, 2008, 06:38:44 PM
John its coming out beautifully.  I love the exterior color. I want to do a similar ext color for my house.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on December 23, 2008, 05:40:40 PM
John...your place looks amazing!  :) The stone work you've created, the fireplace....the rustic interior! Beautiful! Very inspiring... Can't wait to see more pics!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 23, 2008, 06:12:53 PM
BK :I am not real sure what material you will be using but the color is Olympic "Driftwood Grey". It is a transparent oil based stain.    I often find it easy to get a general idea then off to Lowes or HD and pick up some stain samples.  Take them back and tack them up on the wall.  On the cabin I attached several to the logs and stood aways back and the one that blended in is the one I picked.  Real scientific  ;)

Dog: It is a work in progress.  This May will be 3 years.  With a one man crew that is the best I could do.  It seems that just in the last three years the work has slowed or should I say I have slowed.  I guess not really it is just time consuming portions that I have done lately.  If Gods willing and the creek don't rise I should have it pretty well done by late summer. 

Thanks for the intrest
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on December 23, 2008, 06:14:48 PM
Some stains can be custom tinted just like paints.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on December 23, 2008, 06:28:08 PM
John,
Your place is a work of ART. It takes time and thought. 3 years is nothing for what you've accomplished. It's astonishing. really. Giving consideration to so many details...the thought you put into the mantle and your appreciation for the age and history of that special piece of wood. Great idea with the stone work. What you call it..lick and stick?...smart move. It looks fantastic! Imagine all the great things you can continue to do with the interior. Maybe take a cue from Sassy? Her colors and unique furnishings rock! Very very  [cool]
Oh ya.....and that front door! Nice~
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on December 23, 2008, 06:42:42 PM
I love your place, as well.  Maybe one of these days, my family and I will make it over that way, and drop in on ya!  If we can get around to leaving Knoxville, that is.  Never seem to be able to make time for trips, then regret it once we move to a new area.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 26, 2008, 02:47:32 PM
Well a little break in the weather as far as the temperature is concerned.  As they say " You have to make hay when the sunshines" .  The prediction is for mid 30's tonight and then up to 55F tomarrow.  So I put the scratch coat and taped the joints of the drywall on the gable ends of the loft. In addition I put up the drywall on the short knee walls as well.  If it wasn't such a PIA I would have used bagged mix as it cures in a chemical reaction whereas pre-mixed utilizes dehydration. 

The kneewalls were just a tad over 24" high (24-1/2").  So I just raised them up 1/2-3/4" from the floor to have them meet the ceiling.  They are going to get covered with baseboard anyway. For a better fit I beveled the top edge between 40 & 45 deg to match the slope of the ceiling to give me a better fit.  Still not good enough to get along without a molding strip at that transition.  Drywall to Drywall no problem as you could form the mud but Drywall to Wood not the best idea.

Here are a couople of pictures of that process for those of you that require visual stimulation. ;D

Kitchen loft

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Semi-master bedroom loft

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on December 26, 2008, 02:50:43 PM
Bet you are very happy to get that part done.   :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on December 26, 2008, 02:58:14 PM
Ewww drywall. I pitty you John. Well atleast it's almost over with.  d*
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 26, 2008, 02:58:23 PM
The easy part.  Making it turn out later is the hard part.  Did I mention that I hate drywall.  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 26, 2008, 03:01:55 PM
Well if I didn't have my retirement system already invested I would have went with T&G instead.  I guess you have to know when  " enough is enough". The DW says I need a little bit of varation anyway in materials.  But what does she know.  She wanted me to paint the gable ends red. [shocked] [scared]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 26, 2008, 03:59:47 PM
Ahh visual stimulation....  easy with that John --- drywall always gets me excited. [crz]

Looks good. :)

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: phalynx on December 26, 2008, 04:47:41 PM
JOHN!!!!! you are GOOD at drywall.  You want to come visit Texas? :)

Looking good.  I wish I would have done T&G on my ceilings and walls.

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 26, 2008, 04:55:20 PM
I think you would get tired of me by the time it would take to finish the job.  Especially this time of the year.  Sunshine and temps above 40F.  May take a while.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: phalynx on December 26, 2008, 06:18:28 PM
Are you kidding?  Its taken me 6 months to do the amount of drywall I have done on my place.  I put up a few sheets, remember why I hated drywall, swear I'll never do it again. After a few months I think to myself, "what was so bad about drywalling?"  And, the cycle repeats.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 26, 2008, 07:02:56 PM
I try to make myself good at everything.$$$$$$$$$$.  Heard the other day that drywall finishers are getting $17 a sheet to hang and finish.  I hope the cost of the board was included.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: phalynx on December 26, 2008, 07:25:58 PM
Hehe,,, without the sheet, I would make about .25c an hour. :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on December 26, 2008, 10:57:48 PM
I know a little about dry wall...I know it's heavy...for me anyways...it likes to crack and brake...it's boring...but it provides a nice clean smooth wall when finished properly. Nice job John!  8)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 29, 2008, 02:12:00 PM
Recoated the seams again today on the drywall.  The temperature is playing havoc on the drying times.  Normally in moderate temps you could recoat in 24 hours.  In this weather it is extended to 48 at a minimum. I know the manufacturers recommend 55F for joint compound.  Don't tell them please.  ;D The kneewalls give me more problems than the highwalls.  There is just too little room to work a trowel in that little space to get a good draw.

Started on the master bath.  Laid the 1/2 ply on the floor. Glued and screwed was the approach.  I should have known this wasn't going to be an easy task.  First off the bat the large tube of construction adhesive (polyethylene)  didn't want to work in the caulking gun.  Ended up smashing the cardboard tube. >:(  So I did what every seasoned carpenter would do and that was to cut open the tupe and apply it with a 4" putty knife.   ;).  The second tube worked as it was suppose to. If no one has every used this type of glue it can only be taken off with Acetone of which I didn't have.  So now I have black fingers that will just have to wear off like a walnut stain.   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 29, 2008, 11:26:58 PM
Don't touch your nose, John... [waiting]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 30, 2008, 03:21:39 AM
Or anything else for that matter. ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on December 30, 2008, 05:36:49 PM
Glue and Acetone John. How fun is that.
Well you got through dry wall and starting on master bath bath.  [cool]
Your house is going to be really nice.
Now.... did you organize your tools after you were done for today and sweep up?   :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on December 30, 2008, 06:47:36 PM
Don't touch your nose, John... [waiting]

 [rofl2]

"Ya!  Ya!  Das Gud!  Heil!"

Construction adhesive sucks, but is great stuff.  How that works out, I don't know.  One of the great mysteries of the universe.  Try  using PL400 to glue your "friends" tools to the deck when he takes too many breaks!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 30, 2008, 07:20:49 PM
Dog I ain't done yet.  That was just the loft.  I still have a 16X18 master bedroom,  4X12 master bath, and loft bath yet to go.  Time to make a run for some more drywall (green & white). No it's not fun but as they say "just part of the job".

Jens this stuff is more like Gorilla Glue.  The regular construction adhesive is easily removed with mineral spirits or thinner.  Even if you miss some you can scrape it off later.  But this stuff is relentless.  Suppose to have a better contact than the others.  Advantex recommends it. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on December 31, 2008, 07:13:17 AM
Your bedroom is bigger than BK's house! 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on December 31, 2008, 12:41:29 PM
John, I had a "mishap" with the cold weather and drywall compound. I thought it was all dry; it appeared to be. However, it would seem that there was sufficient moisture in a couple joints and when the temperature dipped to 20 degrees for a few nights the joint "erupted"; from freezing I think. They've sttled back down, but I'm leaving them until warmer weather to repair. So watch the lows.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 31, 2008, 01:34:40 PM
Thanks Don.  That was in the back of my mind.  The first two coats are the most important.  Temps in the downstairs did not drop below freezing and the loft was a little bit warmer than that so I should be OK.   The other coats are just skimmed.  I just PU another 14 sheets which I can hang with no problem.  Might not get warm enough temps to mud but at least that part will be done.  Even today when I unloaded the board it was 43F inside and about 25F outside.  I have got gas heaters but it would be too far ahead of the game to put them in now and try to get a tank installed in this weather.  Always later.   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 03, 2009, 05:29:32 AM
Installed 7 sheets of drywall yesterday in the master bedroom.  Really couldn't make good time as all of them had to be cutout around the beams in the ceiling.  I just checked on the extended forecast and the temps are not suppose to be above 35F for the next week so it looks like I won't be able to mud anything for a while.  Although I raised the temperature from 30 to 50 yesterday that is just short term and not enough to allow the compound to dry.  Looks like next week will be hanging as well.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 03, 2009, 07:33:17 AM
Chipping ice off of sheetrock takes time also. [crz]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 13, 2009, 02:30:35 PM
Not too much accomplished this week.  I have been having problems with tendonitis in both elbows.  So today I finally broke down and went to the doctor.  He didn't tell me anything I didn't already know.  Lay off the work for awhile.  d* d*.  So after the Dr. Apt I went up and cleaned up a little.  It has been too cold to put any mud on the drywall.  Even with the woodstove raising and maintaining the temps through the night at a non-freezing degree is not worth the effort.  I can raise it some 20 degrees in about 6 hours. 

So this week I managed to sheetrock the loft bathroom.  Sort of back myself into a corner on this one.  With the sloped ceiling and a 30" door there was no way I was going to get a full length sheet into the room. Solution was to cut the sheet a little short so that it would slide in diagonally between the stud partitions.  Then I would raise it off the floor the additional length to meet the ceiling.  I am only talking 1 to 1-1/2" .  The basebaord will cover it.  The real challange was the inside wall of the door.  NO room for errors on that manuver.  Well it's done now.  The cabinet rough in is storage which will eventually become drawers and doors.  The access to the bedroom will allow me to get to the plumbing for the sink.

I took a couple of pictures for your visual stimulation ( Glenn likes that phrase)

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 13, 2009, 03:15:22 PM
Careful, John... I'm getting excited. ...[waiting]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on January 17, 2009, 01:32:47 PM
John...sorry to hear about the tendinitis. It's weird pain. I have it in my right wrist. I use a light brace on it when it's bad. Try to take it easy. It does subside if you give yourself a break and go easy but it takes a while.

Your place is amazing! You're going to really enjoy it. It's beautiful. Just don't kill yourself in the process....that goes for all of you...and you know who you are  :)...
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 17, 2009, 03:47:59 PM
Thanks Dog.  I think I really don't give it enough time to completely heal.  I told the Dr. I would lay off a few days.  Well my Dad is in the Hospital so I went to see him for a few days while the children were out of school and the wife was off work. Even a 3-4 day break is better than nothing.  I do use a elbow brace when I am working and it is tolerable that way.  I normally don't take any medication but I followed the Dr's  advice and took a steroid pack for 4 days to help with the mending.  Again thanks for your concern.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: alcowboy on January 17, 2009, 06:53:09 PM
not an intention to hijack this thread but could not resist the chance to help you guys with the tendinitis. A few days rest will help and, yes, the brace will also help. Be sure to take anti-inflammatories. I work for an orthopedist and have had carpal tunnel (CTS) in the right wrist with carpal tunnel release preformed. That was the best thing I could have done for my wrist! A few weeks healing and I was on my way! I think that you should see your orthopedic and check on the possibility of CTS and possibly consider the surgery if it is giving you enough problem.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on January 21, 2009, 07:10:34 AM
Thanks for the CTS release info. Never heard of that procedure. I recently started playing music again and aggravated it bad. I think my career is over...lol... :P time to start building a house! Just got to figure out where I want to live.
Sorry for interrupting your thread again John. Get better. Your work of art will be waiting for you!  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 23, 2009, 04:55:58 PM
After only a four day week I think I got a good bit accomplished.  My father was put in the hospital 2 weeks ago so on Friday I went down there and stayed until Monday.  A long story short he got released yesterday and is home recouperating if that is what you call it at age 84. 

I installed the last sheet of drywall yesterday.  All total I used 25 sheets (5 blue or greenboard and the rest white).  The weather looked good at least for a couple days so I took advantage and put the skim coat and tape on the last remaining portion that I had just hung this week and recoated the previous that I had taped.  I don't know who designed this house   ;D  but he didn't take into consideration the task of the drywall at certain locations.  The peaks on the loft bathroom sidewalls were such that I had to break out a mason trowel to reach the corners.  The main bathroom is a little cramped for space after the shower.  I really don't have that much return on the corners to the doors.  Inside corner with 1-1/2" return to the door and then 1-1/2" return to the shower wall, then 3" return to the shower.  I took a couple pictures of what I did if any one cares to look.

The before

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The after

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The throne room, And yes where the bucket is will be the throne.

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Shower

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Pocket door to the master bath from the bedroom

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I think Considerations was talking about "tree trunk support post"  I have two in the cabin that are somewhat prominent.  I need to find a jamb saw so I can undercut them for the flooring. If not I guess I could use my backcut saw. 

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Well to top off a fairly good day I came home and the furnace at the house has died. It is a Trane and after a couple of calls I found that it is probably the circuit board.  I located a service man that just happened to have a circuit board for my model.  He is enroute as we speak.  Lets hope that is all it is. $$$$$.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 23, 2009, 08:29:44 PM
It's coming along well, John. :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on January 24, 2009, 09:59:32 AM
Japanese pull saw, HD, $12, work great for undercutting.  They also rent out electric jamb saws, circular style.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 24, 2009, 01:57:29 PM
Jens that was what I was referring to was the Japanese pull saw.  Only problem with it is that unless it is fairly straight you have to go so deep on the dipped areas.  I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.  Thanks for the thought though.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 24, 2009, 02:35:17 PM
That looks like a job for....



[chainsaw]



an electric chainsaw. d*
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on January 24, 2009, 02:39:08 PM
John, I can't believe how much you got done in 4 days! The bathroom looks great.  [cool]
I am sorry to hear about your dad. It's good that you were able to spend some time with him while he was in the hospitable. I'm sure he's glad to be home.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 24, 2009, 02:46:20 PM
Glenn it actually crossed my mind but I will only need 3/4" for the hardwood.  The offset from the case to the chain is alot further than that.

Dog I didn't mean I got all those sheets hung in that time.  I only hung about 12 this week.  Still was a hump to get the framing built for the shower and plumbed in though.  Sometimes it takes me a little while to get organized but once I get my body in sync with my mind it goes pretty fast.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on January 24, 2009, 02:50:37 PM
Looks nice John. You need a jamb saw. My buddy has one. Too bad you're so far away.  d*
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 24, 2009, 06:54:29 PM
Yeah Scott I missed the boat as Harbor Freight had one for $59 not long ago. Agreed it was probably Chicago tool but for limited use it might be OK.  I lived too far from a store when they were on sale as it was a store sale only and not for net purchases.  If I am lucky they will put it on again and I will try to pick one up.  I guess it would last long enough to cut the locust post.  Brought sparks to my chainsaw.  Like trying to saw a rock.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on January 25, 2009, 06:43:58 PM
 if you're into living dangerously, remove the base of your skillsaw.  Then take some shim stock and attach it to the blade guard to take it to just the right height.  Or you can freehand it, without the shims.  Then again, you could scribe the flooring, or even put a border, scribed to fit, around the post, then just run the flooring up to it.  If you scribe the flooring, make sure to back cut it as well for a nice tight fit...but I'm sure you knew that.   You could make up a template, by taping small pieces of paper together on the floor.  It is easier to get small pieces to conform to weird angles and shapes, just do a curve at a time.  Just some more suggestions, but you probably have enough ideas already.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on January 26, 2009, 07:35:43 AM
Awesome.  (The tree trunks) That locust looks like it's made of iron.  Is it as hard as it looks?

Much more interesting than my "straight" trunks.  And  lot harder to work with re: flooring. 

I'm taking the easy way out.  The planks are my floor, at least for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: brian_nj on January 26, 2009, 03:14:43 PM
Black locust is tough! While clearing my house site a friend told me I needed a new blade for my saw, I laughed let him put a new out of the package one one and have at the tree, he cut for a couple minutes and then stared at the tree in disbelief, since he barley got the first part of the notch cut. They are some of the toughest trees I have ever cut! they dont fall till the last strands are cut through and they eat up blades.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 26, 2009, 06:06:27 PM
Yes brian they are pretty tough.  I rip cut two 12' ones with my chain saw and wore a chain completely out.  I kept the oil reservoir full of oil in the saw and they still sparked like I was cutting rocks.  I had to cut three more so I loaded them up and took them to a friend that has a mill and he faced them for me.

Considerations I will take the easy way out on the loft floor as there are no post and it is T&G like yours.  They are hard to work with but should be around long after I am gone.   It is the choice of farmers for fencing here.  Some post have been in the ground for more than 20 years and are still solid.  A little hard to drive staples in.  I have five to under cut for the hardwood and tile on the main floor.     
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: brian_nj on January 27, 2009, 04:10:03 AM
we decided to bring a couple to a mill ourselves we plan on using them for our porch roof support. It seems I am just a little south of you but we are seeing the same things (Johnson county TN) Looks like you are making good progress on your cabin and I appreciate the frequent updates I have gotten quite a few ideas from your work, Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on January 27, 2009, 07:07:38 PM
You're just east of me then Brian.  Knoxville. 

The Locust post will be the only thing left in 500 years...well, that and the 5 ton chimney. :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on January 27, 2009, 07:51:58 PM
That is amazing how tough Black Locus is. I'll admit I didn't realize that. Jens...that was funny about the house in 500 years with the chimney and Locus post still standing. Somehow in 500 years Dogtrot at Hightop will be still be standing strong! Someone will always want to take care of it because it's so beautiful.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on January 28, 2009, 05:03:18 AM
very true, very true.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 29, 2009, 09:21:37 AM
Well no work on the cabin today.  After the last couple of days of snow, rain and sleet I wasn't sure whether I could go up or not.  Yesterday it did get up to 42F. The last day that I was able to work was on Monday so I was getting a little "cabin fever".   So after driving 1/4 mile off the hardsurface I changed my mind.  I had stopped to walk and check the turn that caused so much trouble on November 26th.

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Well after stepping out of the truck the next thing I saw was the under carriage.   :-[  That smarts! So I gracefully backed down the berm.  I then went to my friends repair shop and picked up the chains that I had ordered.  By this time it was late morning and I decided that tomarrow was another day. 

I did however make a helper to install the chains.  They actually make a commercial verson but as with many things " I'm tight".  When talking to my friend he said that it was the "cats meow" for installing chains.  This is what I came up with.  2"X10"X18" plank with 5/8" dado's and a 1-1/2" square stock for a stop. Supposeably it helps to take all the slack out to get a tighter fit. 

Tomarrow we will see how they work.

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I did start staining on some interior doors though.  A little premature but alot warmer.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on January 29, 2009, 09:25:11 AM
The chain helper looks like it should work and save a little jockeying around.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Don_P on January 29, 2009, 04:41:36 PM
Sorry to backtrack but I thought y'all that aren't familiar with it might be interested in a few black locust factoids. You know how you order concrete as 3,000 to 5,000 psi compressive strength? Black locust in end grain compression is good for up to 10,000 psi. It is also very stable, they used to make the pins for those glass insulators on power lines out of it, makes a great timberframe peg as well. I've always wanted to make endgrain blocks and pave a floor with it. As they say "harder than the hubs of ..ll". I was just looking but couldn't lay my hands on a picture I took this summer of the locust borer that causes so much damage to them.

I'm south of you between Wytheville and Independence just south of the forest land. If you're into bluegrass and oldtime try 98.1 at night, our local station probably reaches the tops up there. We live so far back the opry doesn't come in till tuesday most weeks.

This guy came from up in your neck of the woods, one of our plumbers had the pic;
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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 29, 2009, 06:17:24 PM
Yes and also Chestnut was another choice for the pins.  Although the chestnut is all but gone occassionally you can find some that had been in barns and log homes for a Century or more.  I have a wormy chestnut mantle.  It is unlike any other native wood.

Yes the timber rattlers are common.  It is amazing that they usually don't grow that long but have a lot of girth to them.  Some as much as 8-10".

I haven't been in that area for sometime.  Usually just traveling through on the way down south.  I am about 2 hrs from Roanoke.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 30, 2009, 04:33:51 PM
TGIF.  With the aid of the chains I was able to get to the cabin with ease.  The chain helpers believe it or not made a world of difference installing the chains.  Ideally you should have two sets to enable all four chains to be installed without the usual backing and pulling forward.  The stops on the ends make it easy to determine just how far to pull forward.  By placing the chains in mid center on the aids you will always be guaranteed to get the chains mid center in the wheel well. With the install and slower driving speeds it did take away 45 minutes of my work day but well worth the effort.

With all that said I managed to get 1/2 of the T&G suspended ceiling done in the master bath.  The hardest portion was getting the nailers in place around the perimeter and cutting around the exhaust fan housing.  Unlike other ceilings you have to allow for the slipping of the groove over the tongue. Since the exhaust fan area could have the potential for maintenance I decided to make the 2'X2' area removable.  With the exhaust fan being square it would be all but almost impossible to run the T&G around four sides.  By cutting the upper half of the groove off of the section to be removed you can easily lower that particular section of boards to gain access with no visual diference than the rest.  I used 1/2" plywood strips to join all the removable sections as one piece.  I hope Monday I will be able to finish the ceiling and start sanding some more drywall.  Then wait for warmer temps to continue with the mud work.   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on January 31, 2009, 07:14:56 AM
John...glad to hear the chains got you safely to your work of art. It must have been an adventure driving up there. 

Don_P...what a beautiful creature! That thing is huge! Thanks for the info on black locus. I'm fascinated with it!

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 31, 2009, 07:41:13 AM
Dog the chains were the trick.  Other than driving a little bit slower and a little vibration it was completely safe.  Other than those two things it was like driving on regular roads.  I wish I would have invested in them a year or so ago now.  Although it is a goverment Forrest Service road I had been plowing it to my cabin with my tractor.  But with only about 1-2" of snow at a time it wasn't feasible to plow.  Then it gets packed down and ice and the plow is useless at that point.  It was good to get out of the house and back on track with the cabin project. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 02, 2009, 01:29:50 PM
Well I got the master bathroom ceiling finished with the 2X6 T&G.  Created somewhat of an optical illusion in the photographs.  The drop ceiling is 7-1/2" lower than the original ceiling to accomidate the plumbing from the loft bathroom and the exhaust ceiling fan.  Spent the remainder of the day sanding drywall and getting wood to the porch of the cabin before it got covered in snow. 

The before picture

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The after pictures

The illusion

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Actual

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on February 02, 2009, 01:40:02 PM
Looks nice John. Turned out pretty well for a pipe hider.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on February 02, 2009, 02:10:31 PM
Nice John    :) :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 02, 2009, 07:38:46 PM
Looks good, John - or - nice John, John. d*
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 14, 2009, 06:13:02 AM
There is light at the end of the tunnel.  All of the drywall is hung and I only lack a light sanding on the master bedroom and master bath.  There was a lot ready for primmer but when I opened the can it apparently went bad.  I moved it down to the house when the bad weather hit but it must have froze before that. It was an old can and to the dump it goes.  I am going to Lowes to PU some fresh so if the weather is permitting I can get everything primmed this week. The next daunting task is to pick the finished color.  ???

Just a note to others who are anticipating putting drywall up. DON'T.  Not that I mind the look but the installation is what I was referring to.  Spring for a professional.  Might not be that bad for limited number of sheets but with 30+ it is a real PIA.  Might be alright if you can save the sanding particles and mix with water to use over. ;D  But I have it down to a science. Put one 5 gallon bucket on and sand off 1/4 bucket.  ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 14, 2009, 07:29:22 AM
Some use a wet sponge rather than sanding for a lot of it.  Depends how rough it is.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on February 14, 2009, 04:37:33 PM
I will use a sponge sometimes, but it can end up not feathering very well.  It seems as if the lighter stuff on the edges all comes off really well, while I am trying to get it feathered, then I am left with an edge again, or a fast taper.  I have turned to just sanding now, unless there is very little, or between coats.  I know what you mean, the last few sheets, or room, are always the toughest!  When done right though, and finished, it looks and feels damn good! ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 14, 2009, 05:40:40 PM
I actually have used a sponge for the flat part before but I am like you Jens I would rather taper the edge by sanding.  I often found that you do not get a good feel for the drywall surface for imperfections with a sponge vs. sandpaper.  The real trouble I have in drawing the mud is to keep the knife steady and avoid the ripple effects.  Generally it can be brought out with sanding or completely avoided by a steady hand. I usually just use a 4" (base and tape coat) followed by 6" folowed by a 10" tapered on each side to middle of the 6". If I do it right I just have a small ridge in the middle and a slight taper to the outside edges.  Love the outside corners though that is a give-me in my book. It is really hard to mess up an outside corner.  As for the inside corners I find that I get a better corner by alternating sides every other day rather than a corner knife. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on February 15, 2009, 06:01:53 PM
Insides are better done one side at a time, tape them both at the same time though.  I use a 10 or 12" (can't remember which) for everything, unless the space is too small.  Thinning down you mud can help with the ripple effect, as can more pressure, and even pressure.  Even is the most important part.  When it starts to skip though, either your angle is too shallow, not enough pressure, or both, usually.  That is what I have found for myself at least. 

A partner and I hung 125 sheets, taped, and smoothcoat finished in 7 days a couple of years ago.  All of it hand finished (no banjos, etc).  Quite a job, and in the hottest week of the year.  The day we finished, it was 108, with 80% humidity!  The mud was actually drying on the hawk before we could get it on the wall, and half of it would have to be thrown away.  And this was after we had already thinned it down!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 17, 2009, 01:49:26 PM
No work on the cabin today perse. It was 8F this morning so I knew I wouldn't be able to get the walls warm enough to prime.  Had some maintenance done on the truck instead.  This afternoon I put the last coat of poly on the master bathroom door.  Here is a picture of the finished product as well as a raw one which will go in the loft bathroom.  So one down and two more to go. The doors are knotty pine.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 17, 2009, 09:26:56 PM
Very nice.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on February 18, 2009, 06:26:32 AM
Drywall seems to be lots of fun (not). I haven't even contemplated it just yet, I'm sure I'll find out soon enough.  I'll be referring back to your adventures with it when the time comes.  :-[
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on February 18, 2009, 07:28:05 AM
I like the doors John.


The hardest part of drywalling , to me, are the vertical joints where panels laid horizontally meet another sheet. Those edges are not tapered. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 18, 2009, 04:35:43 PM
Don I try not to do them unless it works out better.  I would rather do a couple extra beveled edge joints than one but joint. If I do I use a utility knife and cut an angle on the end of each just enought to take off the paper 1/16".  I find it easier to work on the first couple of coats that way.

I am basickly finished with the drywall. I put a primer coat on about half today until I ran out.  I might have to go back and fill in some very small divets that didn't show while sanding.  You think you have it in pretty good shape until the primer goes on.  That will show the small imperfections.  I didn't have that problem 20 years ago but then I didn't need to use glasses either. ;)

Yes the doors.  I think they will make a good accent to the cabin.  I had originally bought regular pine 6 panels but found the knotty pine doors. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 23, 2009, 02:53:16 PM
I did finish the drywall but due to the cold I wasn't able to get all of it primed.  Hopefully it will warm up later this week to get it all primed.  I am uncertain how to dress the area around the beams and the drywall.  No matter how careful you try to cut it to fit it doesn't usually work out.  I had a hard time cutting the beam pockets out and then getting them into place. I probably over compensated and cut the pockets a little larger than needed. Trying to squeeze them in between ceiling and floor and hit the beam pockets at the same time wasn't easy.

OK my options are to fill the area with paintable caulk or add a molding of sorts around the beam to the ceiling.  Then that leaves the ceiling where it joins the drywall.  I could probably use that same approach.  I had thought about using a small crown between the beams but I am not sure how that would look.  I could also use a small quarter round or cove molding.  Either way I would probably have to change the color from the beam stain to the ceiling stain or wall color on each corresponding piece of molding.   Any ideas? 

Here is a couple of pictures of what I was referring to. There is one picture which shows a circle which must have been on the lense as it is not present on the wall. I think it is the second picture.

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Here is a picture of the larger loft room drywall after primed.

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I did manage to get the range hood transition installed through the chink portion of the log wall today. It was nice and toasty in the kitchen (wood stove location) doing the interior cut but it wasn't so nice cutting the opening on the exterior wall with the wind and temps in the 20's.  But that is all installed including the wall cap.  Tomarrow I will wire the range hood and cover it with ply & lathe wire to be ready to parge it when the temps raise again. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on February 23, 2009, 04:53:54 PM
You could fill the gaps with low expansion foam (just to take up some space), strike off the excess plus a bit into it, then mud and tape it.  Or, yeah...quarter round'd do the trick a lot faster!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Don_P on February 23, 2009, 05:04:17 PM
If the drywall tools are still handy there is a product called zip bead that works pretty slick around beams, similar to the old J bead but has a removeable tab (the zip) that protects the beam from your knife and the first coat of primer. It is a 90 degree corner of perforated plastic, one leg lays on the sheet the other goes in over the edge. Press it up tight to the beam and fasten then mud and feather. Even at this stage it would be quicker than trim and IMO pulls your eye into that area less. I'll be out where we had some done later this week, holler if'n you want a pic.

If you have access to a planer I've also routed a chamfer on stock and then planed it down to about 1/4" thick to do a lighter trim than is typical. Sort of similar to screen lath.

That is a really fine job on some beautiful doors, nice character. Can you describe your finishing steps?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 23, 2009, 05:26:38 PM
The gaps are probably less than 1/4" on the sides and abut 3/8" on the bottoms.  I was leary about applying joint compound to the beams as there will probably be some movement and didn't feel that compound would hold.  There are a couple that worked out to be about 1/2" on the bottom so I figure I could tack a filler strip (wood) before caulk if that was the avenue.

My concern was making that transistion to the ceiling/drywall.  I didn't feel that staining the molding the same as the beams would look that well going from beam to beam so that is where I thought of the different finishes, Dark stain on the molding around the three sides of the beam and then matching with the wall color or ceiling finish between the two.  I have some small crown but making that transistion from either quarter round or cove to the crown may be nearly inpossible.  Don I might just go with a screen bead as you suggested and keep everything low profile, narrow and simple as possible.

Don on the doors I sanded them with 220 and followed w/360.  Mimwax oil stain then 3 coats of polycrylic(satin) with sanding between 2 & 3 coat with 360 grit.   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 26, 2009, 03:55:42 PM
Rather light day of work on the cabin.  My parents came up for a couple of days.  I did manage to get the range hood finished up for the time being.  The range hood was framed, lathe wire applied and parged (today) in preparation for the stone.  It will be the same stone as present in the cabin with the exception that I will try to use smaller sized stone. 

Here is a couple of pictures of the before and after.  The wall cap is custom made.  I may later try to tone it down some by painting.  It is made of 1/16" aluminum.

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If anyone ever wonder what it looked like on the inside of lathe wire once they applied concrete this will give you a good idea.  Although this wasn't lathe but rabbit wire 1/4" grid. This was removed from the chink joint for the exhaust vent.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 04, 2009, 12:44:11 PM
Not much work on the cabin the first part of this week.  The temps have been really low in the am(6-7F) and a daily high inthe mid 20's.  So I decided to finish all the interior doors.  All but one are done and it only lacks one more coat of poly.  IMO there is no comparison between the "knotty" pine and regular pine 6 panel doors.  The knotty pine has twice the character as the regular pine. But hey there wood solid doors.  Here is a side by side picture of the two.

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Also ran into a good deal at Home Depot last week while I was picking up some primer.  I originally wanted a farmer sink but they couldn't be had at the price I wanted to pay.  So I ended up getting this sink which was in the closeout section.  Brand new in the box "Kohler" cast iron/porcelin.  I checked and it was originally sold for around $300 and it was marked down to $52.  The faucet set I bought at the builders auction a couple months ago.  The sink is actually "bone" colored (appears white in pic) and the faucet set is oil rubbed bronze.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: pickngrin on March 04, 2009, 12:56:32 PM
Nice work on the doors - they're going to look great in the cabin.  Heck, they look great sitting in your garage. 

We lucked out and got a similar sink from some friends doing a kitchen remodel.  Also got their old stove. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on March 04, 2009, 01:15:17 PM
Nice work John. That sink looks about the same as the one I'm going to use.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 04, 2009, 03:49:58 PM
Scott originally I was going to get a granite farmers sink.  Bid was to me a $150 and I declined.  Later found out it cost $1400  d*.  I would have hated to drill 4 holes in it anyway.  The only thing that held me back it was just one large rectangle bowl.  I could see that two bowls would work better for when I wash the dishes rofl
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on March 06, 2009, 03:35:53 PM
I would have bought that up in a second!!!  I have a 2 bowl sink - one is a little larger than the other & both 9in deep, but now, I sometimes wish I had a big one bowl sink - you can always put a plastic dishpan in the single sink - if you have something really big to put in the sink, the double sinks won't hold it whereas the single sink would. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 06, 2009, 03:46:29 PM
But Sassy I would have had to go under the house and put another support for just the sink.  Must have weighed 300#.  It was nice though.  Well water under the bridge now.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on March 06, 2009, 06:08:51 PM
I like the double sink myself...One side for storing dirty dishes and one side that is clean. Not that I EVER have dirty dishes waiting to be washed!  ;D

The porcelain scratches easy with pot and pans, but cleans up nicely. $52 bucks is a great deal! Congrats!

The doors look great!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 08, 2009, 03:00:50 PM
As the old saying goes " time flies when you are having fun".  I had a little extra time today and went back on my log to refresh my memory.  I actually started the site in 3/06 and the first log was laid in late 8/06.  Everyone keeps asking me how long it has taken and with this on-going project I wasn't sure anymore.  So I guess it will actually be 3 years in August that I started laying the cabin up.  The time between March & August was on the site work and foundation.  Anyway this is how far I have come in 2-1/2 years. Hopefully it should be ready in August this year if everything goes well.


This is the small cabin (kitchen)

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This is the large cabin (livingroom)

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And this is the cabin today

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 08, 2009, 07:32:07 PM
Time flies when you are having fun. :)

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 09, 2009, 02:05:52 PM
On Thursday last week I made the trip to the cultured stone manufacturer about 1-1/2 hours away and picked up the needed stone to cover the range hood.  In addition rather than making another trip I also PU the stone needed to complete the retaining walls.  Although I will not get around to finishing them until mid summer.  Friday I laid the stone and today I grouted the stone.  In addition I re-coated the master bathroom and painted the master bedroom.  I was not impressed with Olympic paint though.  I have used Glidden and Valspar which IMO is far superior in application and coverage.

WHAT DO YOU THINK

This is the ungrouted version which I wanted to post as it shows the true color of the grout when dried.  The second one is the grouted version and is still green. It should cure out to be the same as the log wall chink.

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This is the paint color of the upstairs main loft bedroom, loft bathroom and master bathroom. It looks like a mixture of "olive drab" and "khaki". 

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This is the color of the Master Bedroom which is close to the Khaki color.

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Tomarrow I will tackle the gable end of the living room wall (scaffolding) and the other gable end wall of the small loft over the kitchen. 

 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on March 09, 2009, 02:40:45 PM
Looks great John.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on March 09, 2009, 03:07:06 PM
Love what you've done with the place!  :D

I wondered if Humpty Dumpty would win this round.  In Spades!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 09, 2009, 04:49:13 PM
Love what you've done with the place!  :D

I wondered if Humpty Dumpty would win this round.  In Spades!




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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on March 09, 2009, 05:23:21 PM
WoW!!! Looking awesome!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on March 10, 2009, 05:08:59 PM
You truly have done a very clean, awesome job with this house.  I love log houses...sigh...
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 18, 2009, 04:13:07 PM
Well I just added another link in the chain of completition.  About a month ago I posted concerning the gaps surround the beams in the drywall.  I tried caulking but after it dried and shrunk this didn't seem like a very good option.  Then Don P suggested drywall.  Been there and done that and if I could do anything to keep from breaking out the tools again I would.  I then tried his second suggestion.  Instead of tryin to fabricate the screen molding that is exactly what I used.  I trimmed all the beams and the point that the drywall met the T&G ceiling.  I painted it the same color as the walls so it would not stand out as much as a wood tone.  Here are a couple of pictures. 

Bedroom

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Bathroom

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Now I guess I can work on the ceiling beams/loft floor joist to make them presentable again. Paint splatters, drywall collisions and the like.  After a good cleaning and a couple coats of Polycrylic they should look like new.  If not they will have character.  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on March 18, 2009, 04:32:14 PM
Looks good from here John.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 19, 2009, 05:33:21 AM
OK I am moving on to the next step in the project.  One that I have dreaded since I put up the basement walls.  That is filling in the voids of the crawlspace so I can get a moisture barrier down.  Hindsight is always 20/20 in that I should have done this before the floor joist and deck were installed.  With the weather improving it will soon be time to install the flooring with is to include hardwood and tile.  I didn't want to do the floors until the moisture barrier was laid.

So I will start here  (10 tone of stone)

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Then go through here (3'X3') on both wings

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And I will end up here

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Oh yeah I forgot to mention the most important step of all

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One of the main reasons that I posted this is to remind someone to take the necessary steps to avoid this in their project.  I have always found it better to learn from someone else's mistakes.  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 24, 2009, 03:48:28 PM
Well if you every wonder how many 5 gallon buckets it takes to move a ton of gravel then the answer would be around 39.  And if you ever wondered about how many shovels it takes to fill at 5 gallon bucket the answer is 7.  To make a long story short I managed to move the 10 ton of gravel into the crawlspace to the tune of about 390 buckets.  I did manage to find a friend(preacher) that had a Satoh ( Mitsubushi) Beaver tractor.  My original plan was to build a shute to funnel the gravel into the crawlspace openings but after a closer look I would not get enough pitch for gravity to do it's thing.  So to the back-up plan and that was to use the Beaver to shuttle the 5 gallon buckets to the opening.  After getting on and off the tractor 780 times I got it done. 

I lucked out this evening with the hardest portion which required carring the buckets from one corner to the other.  I had bought a couple of grocery rollers a couple years ago which I had intended on using for an out-feed for my table saw.  Using two at 90 degrees worked out well.  One to move it away from the opening and the other to move it along the wall.  My son was a big help this evening as he stayed in the crawlspace and emptied the buckets as I feed them on the conveyor. 

If anyone contimplates coming back later to backfill DONT. Take the time to do it when it is easiest.  It would have took me probably 1/2-1 hour to use the tractor and dump the gravel over the wall. Instead I wasted two full days.

Here is a picture of the heavy equipment used.

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Yes all work and no play makes for a dull boy.  Sort of a reward for his hard work.  Playtime.

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Tomarow I will get the moisture barrier down.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 15, 2009, 06:35:17 PM
Well I haven't posted in some time but I have been steadily making progress.  I have the plumbing rough in in the bathroom wing to the basement main drop line. In addition I laid 1/2" ply on the kitchen floor atop of the 3/4" Advantex subfloor in preparation of laying the tile.  I have been doing alot of finishing on interior components such as doors, casing for the windows, 1/4" X 3-1/2" T&G beadboard which I will use for the door fronts of the base kitchen cabinets as well as the back of the upper cabinets which will have glass door fronts.

I guess there is always a little bad that comes with the good.  A good friend of mine that owns a saw mill was going to saw out the log stringers for the stairs passed away last Thursday night.  So I figured I would have to find someone else.  I went to pay my respects to his wife who actually worked with him in their two person operation.  Surprise to me she said that he had sawn it at the end of the day Thursday because I needed it soon.  God Bless his soul. His wife said he didn't get to the planks for the steps but by the end of the month they should be ready to be picked up with the stringers.  His son who cuts timber will try to keep the mill running a couple days a week and cut timber the other days.  His funeral was done as he requested and that was to be buried where he could see the mill in a coffin that he wanted made from his own lumber.  His son dug the grave and make the coffin and he was laid to rest while the powerplant (Detroit Deisel) was running.  Touching. Just good honest people of simple ways .   

In another note I made a trip to my local lumber yard and picked up the 2X12 stringer material for the steps to the basement from the living room as well as framing material for the partition in the basement to enclose them.

A friend is making me my Kitchen cabinets as well as the cabinets for the shelf in the loft bathroom.  Nothing grand but simple to match the logs.  I will still have the plumbing from the Island but it will only be a drain and two supply lines. 

Having a difficult time in locating someone to come on site to run the black iron gas line throughout the cabin.  I had someone lined up but he moved so I am back to square one.  I was wanting to have it made on site rather than buy prethreaded portions and hope that my measurements were correct.  But I may have to go to this alternative.

So in the upcoming weeks I will be steadily working on the finishing aspects of floors, windows, plumbing and the like.  If I do something worthy of a picture or two I will get back.

John 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Don_P on April 15, 2009, 07:34:25 PM
I'm sorry to hear about your sawyer.
A whole lot of know how goes along with each of the old ones.
It sounds like he passed it on, well done.

For the black iron, check with your local gas company, they might know of some pipefitters that can help.

Now I need to tune old Fergie up, you just never know.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 16, 2009, 02:13:58 AM
I would Don if we only had one.  Not a drop of Natural Gas in the whole county.  Only one distributor of propane. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on April 16, 2009, 12:04:36 PM
John you might want to look into CSST gas pipe. There are several brands on the market such as tracpipe, gastite, wardflex. You could likely do that yourself as it is flexable and can be cut with a tubing cutter. Sounds like you're making progress on other fronts. Sorry to hear about your friend passing.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 16, 2009, 12:26:46 PM
Scott I will have to google that.  I did have a competitor of tank suppliers look at it and he said that i would probably need a 3/4" line for 200,000 BTU rating.  He said he could do it but just didn't have the time with his job.  Still looking so if that doesn't pan out I will check into your suggestion.

What are you going to put as a Membrane in the shower of yours? Ditra? I was trying to find where I can locate it.  Nothing really close to me.  If I do find it I had better break out the American Express as I have heard it is rather costly.  Here is a good forum for tile if you get stumped or need to find out about something.  http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/index.php
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on April 16, 2009, 12:32:14 PM
I have the membrane already. I had a piece left over from a job a couple of weeks ago. Strangly I had just enough left over to do my shower.  ::)
I don't know what it's called. I always called shower pan liner. Its like super thick vinyl.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 16, 2009, 12:42:40 PM
What I was referring to was Schluter product.  It is Orange and replaces the concrete backerboard.  They also have other products for shower walls and etc.. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on April 16, 2009, 12:59:05 PM
I looked at that stuff but my tile guy said he didn't like it. He told me what he was going to use but I forgot what it's called. It's like sheetrock but it has the waterproofing built in to it. I'm subing out my tile work to a buddy of mine.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 18, 2009, 12:52:42 PM
Sometime ago I had mentioned using a jamb saw to cut off the standing locust post.  Well I located one from a friend (neighboring property owner). What a cool tool.  It is patterned off of a 4-1/2" angle grinder.  It has an adjustable foot/guard for varing thickness of flooring.  The brand is "Roberts".  Now why couldn't I have been the one to have thought of this.  I had used the verticle type before but had never used this style (horizontal).  It also has a 6" carbide blade instead of a standard 4-1/2" that usually accompanies the angle grinder.  I haven't checked out the price yet but it would be interesting just to see how it compares to the other styles which usually are arouind $400+.  Long story short in about 15 minutes I had cut all the five post to except my flooring later. 

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on April 18, 2009, 01:30:49 PM
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$179.97
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 18, 2009, 04:51:44 PM
Yeah Don I found that after I posted.  Not a bad price in comparison to others I had seen.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Grand777 on April 21, 2009, 08:52:31 PM
nice john for the Dogtrot at Hightop i am impress to your hard work  i love your discussion here in this forum you have great topic john,.,thanks john for sharing your wonderful post.,.,.




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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 29, 2009, 03:30:38 PM
Just a little bit of everything this week.  Started by cutting open the floor for the stairs then building them. Trimmed out some windows on the interior of the living room until I ran out of finished lumber.  Parged the retaining wall for the propane tank in preparation of laying the rock prior to installing the propane tank.

I didn't get a picture of the wall or the trim work on the windows.  I did however take one of the basement steps.  The block wall was painted with Dri-lock, firing strips, insulation board.  I used 2X12's for the steps. Using a 1/2" roundover bit I created a bullnose on the face.  I used deck screws and construction adhesive on the treads.  Came back and wooden pluged the screw holes.  A little overkill for basement steps but what the heck.  Made a pretty good looking step.  I will probably come back later and add 3/4" riser boards to finish it off.  There will be a partition along the open side of the stairs in the basement with a exterior door at the bottom of the stairs.  The reason is that the top stairs will be open and that is the only way to seal off the basement from the 1st floor.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on April 29, 2009, 04:06:55 PM
What are your plans for those basement walls?   Stairs look nice.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 30, 2009, 02:32:35 AM
I am not real sure Don.  For what is around the stairway it will be blue board drywall and insulation.  As for the rest I haven't decided.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 01, 2009, 06:32:00 PM
The last couple of days I have been finishing out the windows.  As of today I have about 1/2 of the 12 windows done.  No special skill required.  Let me back that up a little.  Some of the logs were bowed and not completely straight as convientional framing.  So to get the rough in frames, finish boards plumb as well as the windows I think I had to custom cut each piece to make it presentable.  Now I have to stain some more lumber before I can continue.  Well here is the end results. 

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The good news is that the log stringers I had mentioned earlier as well aas the 3" dressed beam that I will use to cut my 3"X10" steps out of are ready to be picked up. Also another local mill called and said that the 1X6 T&G beadboard which I am going to install on the bathroom wall and foyer are also ready to be picked up.  Looks like Monday will be a transportation day. 

 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 01, 2009, 06:46:25 PM
That's a nice combination, John.  Looks good.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on May 01, 2009, 07:10:32 PM
Yessir, looking great!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on May 02, 2009, 07:07:02 AM
What a showplace!  You should be very proud of yourself - you can see all the time, care, expertise in everything you've done there.  Would love to make it out there sometime & see it. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on May 02, 2009, 07:26:35 AM
Looking good John.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: jdbmont on May 06, 2009, 03:34:37 PM
Redoverfarm; thanks for the info on how you anchored your porch support
poles. I've read all your posts and am very impressed with your cabin.
Really like the front door and all the stone work you've done. Thanks again
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 07, 2009, 03:10:31 PM
This week I have been working on the 1X6 TG for the foyer/bathroom wall. I picked up the lumber on Monday which was only about a three hour window without the rain that we have had steady for the last 6-7 days.  I finished and installed it.  I also started today on the basement partition adjacent to the basement stairs.  I will finish it tomarrow by installing the door at the bottom of the stairs.  Since the stairs on the main floor will be completely open there was no way to seal that area from the basement so I decided to seal off the basement stairs. 

These first two pictured are the paneling where it had to be scribed to the contour of the log wall and chink joints.  I sort of cheated on this by not doing the old fashion scribing.  I got a contour guage and started at the top doing 6 inches at a time until I reached the floor.  It had to be done on both walls adjacent to the exterior doors.

A little eye candy for your enjoyment.

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Here is a couple shots of the paneling.  Use your imagination and see if you can pick out the BEAR IN THE WALL.  It appears in both pictures of the wall.  The second one you may have to go to the left/right adjustment bar to view.

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Basement stairs partition.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Beavers on May 07, 2009, 04:01:43 PM
Wow, I can't believe how tight of fit you got on that paneling!

No way would I have the patience or skill to get a fit like that.  :o
Looks great!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Alasdair on May 07, 2009, 04:53:22 PM
looks great! but which bear are you talking about? I see 3!
 [crz]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 07, 2009, 05:41:57 PM
Beavers it is not all skill or patience.  A lot has to do with having the right tool.  I had done several other scribes in the cabin with a divider or compass but this was far easier and I think a little more accurate.  This is what I used.

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Alasdair There are several images that you can get from grain and knot patterns.  I thought this was just funny it turned out that way.  Didn't really notice it until I downloaded the pic's from the camera once I got home.  I will try to see it tomarrow with my naked eye.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on May 08, 2009, 05:40:35 AM
I used to giggle when I saw all the discussion on this forum about "having the right tool".  I just thought it was a "guy" thing.  I was so wrong....that little comb you just posted works really well, better than any of the other options I tried.  I wish I had acquired one earlier in the process. 

The work is beautiful..you picked a real challenge, marrying linear and non-linear building techniques, but that place is already a work of art.

Congratulations.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on May 08, 2009, 07:57:29 AM
Amazing work John.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 08, 2009, 02:03:26 PM
Considerations I thought about you when I was using it with the scribing that you had to do around the post near the stairs.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on May 09, 2009, 09:18:16 AM
looking awesome, and close to completion Red.  Can't wait until it is done, so we can schedule that visit :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on May 09, 2009, 08:06:52 PM
"Considerations I thought about you when I was using it with the scribing that you had to do around the post near the stairs."

Aw, shucks, you say that to all the beginners!   ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on May 11, 2009, 02:50:18 PM
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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 15, 2009, 01:07:57 PM
Work on Dogtrot has been a just a little faster than a snail pace this week.  Two days were spent out of town. Upside to those trips I always managed to pick up something I needed.  Roanoke, Virginia for Thinset to set the tile underlayment and to set the tile.  Well on Wednesday I was back to the grind  "sort of" as I have been under the weather for the last couple of weeks.  Nothing serious (Don't think") just conjestion and as of yesterday I pick up a bad cold.  Go figure I thought it started at the top and worked down. This was just the opposite.  About 3 weeks ago my daughter (7) had walking pneumonia.  Is it contagious?  Anyway I got my Shulter "Ditra" last week so I finished putting it down in the Kitchen and Bathroom.  I hauled about 1/2 of the tiles to the cabin from the house in anticipation of starting to lay it Monday.  I am going to use a neighbors tile saw but his daughter presently has it.  He called and said that it will be back home tonight. 

Here is the Ditra underlayment for the 1/2 marble tile.  I went ahead and laid it off in preparation for Monday.

Kitchen

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Bathroom

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Here is the tile "dry set" against the fireplace.

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Here it is next to the log wall and post.

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While I was going at a slow pace I also trimmed out some windows in the bedroom(no pics) and stained and put a coat of sealer on the basement stairs. I am constantly going up and down and in an out the basement to start the generator and I could invision grinding dirt into the step.  Maybe this will help some until I can actually put the finish sealer on them.

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Well they are back.  For the third year in a row.  On the same post as last year.  Evidently it wasn't the mother bird that died in the cabin last year or it is one of her offspring.  I should have put the nest back up that I took down but they probably wouldn't have used it anyway.

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Hope everyone has a good weekend.  I think I will recoup a little. Well I said a little. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on May 15, 2009, 01:23:56 PM
Looks like a good start to the tile John.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 15, 2009, 06:11:24 PM
Scott the tile was just dry set (placed) to get the correct layout.  Will have to wait for the saw to really get started.  With marble you need to stay off it for 2-3 days once laid.  I didn't want to get started and have to wait several days to be on it.  So I will start in one corner/side and move to the door all at once.  When I make it off the kitchen I have other ways to walk around and stay off it. Wish I could give you a hand on yours.   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on May 17, 2009, 05:50:23 AM
Red I continue to be amazed at your work of art. The bear in the wall is great! Your place is looking more and more like a museum of fine art building.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 17, 2009, 01:34:56 PM
Dog thanks for the compliment.  The bear was just accidental but unusual.  The trim work is slow to make it look right.  I am getting there slowly but surely.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on May 17, 2009, 03:43:51 PM
You can even see the bears giant paw in the air! That wood is very cool. Has great character  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 19, 2009, 02:11:49 PM
Been working on the marble tile in the kitchen for the last two days. Sorry no pics.  I never laid 1/2 marble before but it is definitely different than regular tile.  Lippage is the main concern with marble in that the tile will settle and make it uneven.  Real PIA to work with.  OK I am like everyone else in that I under estimated my materials. I originally got what I thought would be enough thinset.  But I failed to take into consideration the amount of thinset that it took to fill up the waffle design on the Ditra before using the notched trowel.  Oh well I guess it gives me another excuse to go shopping soon.  I need to pick up a new blade for the saw as well.  I hate borrowed stuff.  It is either worn out or broken when you get it.  Good for the owner though as I always give it back in better shape than I got it.

Here is my son earning some Extra Credit in the evenings.  He is using a draw knife peeling the bark off of the stair stringers logs.

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So I guess I will switch gears until I can make it out of town for the thinset.  Think I will lay some more stone on the wall.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 21, 2009, 01:15:22 PM
I can't believe that it has taken me 4 days just to lay the marble in the kitchen.  I ended up driving about 1-1/2 hours OW to get some more thinset on Wednesday after I ran out that morning.  I really was going to wait until an opportune time but I got to thinking about the weekend and needed cure time.  I could have laid the whole cabin in tile at this rate in the same amount of time.  Oh well it is laid and will go to the bathroom tomarrow.  Hopefully if I can get it finished it will have a long weekend to cure before I will grout.  Here is a couple of pics.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on May 21, 2009, 01:43:26 PM
Looks great John!  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 27, 2009, 11:52:38 AM
Just sitting waiting for the paint to dry.  No not really.  I grouted the kitchen and bathroom floor yesterday.  I thought I would give it a little extra drying time to make sure that the grout is dry before I seal it.  I didn't want to get involved in anything else until I got this done because i knew that the dust would migrate to the kitchen & bathroom.  It is basicly clean now with two clear rinse applications and I wanted to stay that way until I got the grout sealed. 

But I did work on the kitchen cabinets at home.  They are nothing fancy just beadboard front doors but they are made strong with 3/4" birch ply for the complete housing & 3/4" white pine for the facings and door skeleton.  The uppers will be glass front with beadboard backs.  The lower are just sealed natural 3/4" birch ply.  This is the first one that is completed.  Haven't decided on handles yet. 

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on May 28, 2009, 08:01:10 AM
Cabinet looks nice John. Can you put some more pics showing construction detail sometime? I'll be building my own cabinets too in a few months.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on May 28, 2009, 08:57:11 AM
John, I need you to build some cabinets for me too!   ;D  They look really nice...
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 28, 2009, 12:01:17 PM
Well this is one time that I cannot take the credit.  A friend of mine that was off work in the winter built them for me.  If I hadn't worked on the cabin all winter I would have probably done them.  Not enough time in the day. I did sketch out the general design and sizes. 

As for the construction they are just regular 3/4" birch shell with 3/4" white pine faces, doors and doors.  I did pick-up the beadboard and prefinished it for him to use as door inserts. All in all it took roughly 7 sheets of ply to do what I have in the kitchen.  And that isn't that many cabinets. Oh of course that included a 3' X 5' island for the sink and breakfast bar.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 28, 2009, 03:16:51 PM
Scott here are some pictures of the cabinets that I haven't got finished yet.

Upper

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Corner Base

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Corner Upper

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Filler Base

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Island

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The Island is the only false back that I have.  It was done this way because I am going to use 1X6 T&G paneling to wrap the sides and back to go with the other T&G near the kitchen.

Hope these are good enough to give you some idea.  
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Alasdair on May 28, 2009, 04:30:12 PM
They look great. Your pal has made a sweet job of those.  [cool]
The tiles look great too.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on May 28, 2009, 04:58:54 PM
Great pics. Thanks John.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on May 29, 2009, 04:54:22 AM
Wow, those are wonderful. How long has it taken you to get this far?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 29, 2009, 02:15:41 PM
CF I wouldn't want to say as if I did it would surely give my age away. Everyone in younger years would be surprised that I made it this far.  Oh you mean the cabin.  Here is a post which really recounts the time period.

http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=3613.msg85274#msg85274

Thanks for the comments
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 02, 2009, 01:26:58 PM
I started this week off on the hardwood flooring.  I probably have 1/3 of it done as of today.  Here are a couple pictures of what it looks like.

Foyer & Kitchen

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Livingroom

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Loft view of living room and Fireplace hearth

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And here is my summer guest for the third year.  It appears they might be a tad warm.  There was five eggs and I assume all of them hatched.  Sort of cramped in that nest that size. Their timing is pretty good.  I checked last year and it was May 30th and appear to be about the same size. 

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on June 02, 2009, 01:51:27 PM
Oh boy, John! That floor is looking nice.   :)

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Alasdair on June 02, 2009, 01:58:09 PM
What Mtn Don said. :D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on June 02, 2009, 02:01:37 PM
You are kick'n butt John. Looks great.  :)

I picked up my stone today.  :P
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Whitlock on June 03, 2009, 03:35:47 AM
What a nice place you have made [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on June 03, 2009, 05:10:12 PM
Is that teak?  looks good.  reminds me of a teak floor I did back in CA
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 03, 2009, 05:19:45 PM
No Jens it is Brazilian Cherry.  Prefinished (God I love that part).  It does look like Teak when it is finished this way.  It was a little red when I first started and wasn't sure whether I liked it or not but it does grow on you.  If there is a downside you have to be really careful installing as not to hit the edges and facenailing doesn't work ( hard to conceal) as well in those hard to get places.  Well you have heard of the Bermuda Triangle today I was at the Devils triangle.  In an area of about 3  square feet I had to trim to go around 2 post, 45 degree hearth, fireplace and stairway landing.  The biggest problem is that I had to transpose that imaginary line to pick up on the other side so that the rest of the floor area would match.  I am beat tonight. Too much figuring I guess. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 04, 2009, 01:10:05 PM
Yesterday I had mentioned the devils triangle.  Here is a picture showing what I was talking about.  Believe it or not I was able to keep the flooring running straight going around everything.

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Here is an over view of the foyer area which will lead to the deck on both sides of the area between the kitchen/livingroom and the bathroom.  I tried to use the darker pieces of flooring against the bathroom wall in an effort to make it blend better.  I should have took more time and laid it with varing shades but I was working out of three open boxes and didn't have room to open another.

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This picture is for Considerations as we were talking about post and scribing.  This one is locust about 14" in diameter.  This is the butt end on the floor.

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Can't believe I used a complete roll of # 15 felt on the floor.  Ran out so it looks like if I am going to lay any more flooring tomarrow I will have to go to town and pick up a roll.

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on June 04, 2009, 01:41:19 PM
Looks really good John.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on June 04, 2009, 02:25:23 PM
"CF I wouldn't want to say as if I did it would surely give my age away."

Yea, well, we all get old if we just hang around long enough.  Anyway, my theory is that its not the years, its how much rubber you leave on the road...only the rich can afford retreads and sometimes that doesn't even work.

Most of us are older than we want to be, not because of the age so much but because we finally got smart enough to do what we enjoy, but its just plain harder now.

I've sunk to taking the Aleave before I start working on the cabin.  :)  And, I've come to believe in "union breaks".  Only now I carry the whistle and blow it PRN.

By the way the marriage of locust and Brazilian cherry at the bottom of the post is flawless!  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 04, 2009, 09:03:35 PM
Crimoney, John.  That's nice.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on June 05, 2009, 11:41:06 AM
Red, you continue to outdo yourself - beautiful!

Ha, considerations, I've resorted to taking the Aleve before starting work, too  :P
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 05, 2009, 01:05:30 PM
These past two weeks have been hard on the old man.  Two complete weeks of working on my knees. One with the tile and the other with the hardwood.  Well it is finished today.  Now I am looking at something that I can stand up for a while at. Sounds like a good night to crawl in the hot tub. ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on June 07, 2009, 03:26:54 PM
I sympathize wholeheartedly John. :( :( I've done 400 sq ft of ceramic floor tile over the past 2 trips up to the mountains, and I am sooooo glad it is all over. Except for the bathroom, but that's later and it's small.  We have about 120 sq ft to seal and that's it.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 16, 2009, 07:38:32 AM
Well back on the knees again this week.  I started finishing the loft floors on Monday.  So far I now have two coats of Minwax Poly on them.  After ample enough drying time I will sand them and apply the final finish.  Here are a few pics in case someone would like to see what 1X6 T&G looks like with a walnut stain and one coat of Poly. I am pleased with the finished appearance.  It sort of goes with the theme.  Sort of barn plank flooring look.
 
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When doing floors you are limited on what else you can do until the finish dries.  Too much work to allow saw dust to infiltrate the cabin and land on the floor.  So I moved to a neater project and installed the exterior lights at the entry ways.  I was tired of moving them around from room to room anyways.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on June 16, 2009, 08:05:06 AM
Comming together nicely.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 19, 2009, 02:31:13 PM
This week completed several task that have been lingering for some time.  The loft floors are finished.  I am pleased with the way they turned out.  The only thing remaining in the loft. is the baseboards, bathroom door, bathroom cabinets, commode, sink , lights and recepticles/switches.

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I also finished the stone work on the fireplace.  I had left approximately 4" of stone off the bottom until I installed the tile and hardwood floors.  Only reasonable way to do this. Having to scribe the flooring to fit against the stone would have been a nightmare.  The stone sits down on top of the flooring and it was a perfect fit. ;)  You will notice that it appears dark in comparison to the rest of the flue.  The grout will cure out and hopefully match the rest within a couple of days.  The left over mortar was used to complete some more of the retaining wall stone.  Actually got about 8 feet done which I hadn't planned on doing.  So I guess on the nicer days I will do some stone work.  Unlike concrete work you can just stop where you are at when you run out.  ;D

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After I finished I cleaned up some.  Boy did it need it.  I wanted to make sure that I got all the mortar scraps off the tile and hardwood.  Mortar and finished floor do not mix well.  I also put a coat of poly on the basement stairs so when I start to drywall the stairwell it will be easier to clean off the mud and dust.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on June 19, 2009, 07:16:48 PM
Wow, what a masterpiece! 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 28, 2009, 07:49:49 AM
No I hadn't quit working on Dogtrot.  Just been a little busy this week and haven't had time to spend with the family (CP).  I decided that I would work on the stone work of the retaining wall since the weather was decent and ScottA's work got me back in the mood.  I Got the propane offset area done and then went to work on the opposite wall (straight wall).  Actually I got tired of seeing the stone and sand pile.  I had unloaded the two tons of sand in a position that was accessable but not a henderance.  Well it caught up to me.  I ended up having to move 1 ton out of the way. to finish the walls.  I had used surplus metal roofing which I placed on pallets and had covered with other roofing during the winter. I did manage to use the truck (Ford) to chain through the pallets and pull away from the wall.  Believe it or not I only lost about 1 shovel full.    I should finish the wall this week with the exception of the earth side which will be small in comparison sometime later. Here is a couple pictures of the finished wall and the one that I am working on.  I did get that small section grouted after I parged the remaining wall on Friday.  It was 89F which is not hot by some on the board but in this area it was miserable.  The mortar set up a lot faster and I had to hump to get it finished. 

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Maybe I can get a picture of the overview of the completed wall this week that I can post.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Whitlock on June 28, 2009, 08:17:27 AM
Nice job I love the rock work,I have been thinking about doing that to the block on the outside of my cabin.
Lots to do and not enough money to do it with yet :-\



I love your place,W
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on June 28, 2009, 08:32:04 AM
Nice job, John.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on June 28, 2009, 12:23:38 PM
I agree!   [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 06, 2009, 12:40:33 PM
I am certainly glad this phase of the construction is finished.  All of the basement and retaining walls are finished.  The sand and pallets of rocks moved to use later in the piers for the decks and the gate post.  I had temporarily put 6X8" gate post in for the gates to keep unwanted's out.  I plan to erect concrete block permanent gate post later and cover them in stone. When I moved the sand pallet to another location I had several pieces of tin (previous sand pile) and black plastic on the ground.  When my son went to move the tin he uncovered about 6 snakes.  Most of which were just garden or ring necks( 12-24") but it didn't make any difference to him as they got the buisness end of the shovel.  [rofl2]

Here is the finished wall.  Although the majority of the ground side of the wall will have top soil against it I decided to go ahead and stone to the ground (sloping).  You will probably only be able to see 1 rock sticking out but it will look beter than the concrete block.

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Back of the back wall

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Front wall (both inside and out)

Hopefully I wil start back on the inside again.  Drywall the basement stairway, baseboards, make the transitions from the tile to the hardwood, sinks, toilets  and  install the kitchen cabinets.   

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 07, 2009, 11:30:47 AM
It nice when a well laid plan falls together.  I had this list of things to do today but none of it panned out. The Air Conditioner went out at the house. Called a HVAC and said sometime mid morning.  So I ran to the building supply and picked up the drywall for the stairway and took it to the cabin early this morning.  Ran back home and at 2:00 he finally showed up and didn't leave until 3:30P. So the only thing I managed to get done was hauling drywall.  BTW I did get 5/8" greenboard w/ fire retardant for the price of 1/2" regular greenboard because they were out.  I did finish staning the glass cabinet door frames.  I hate days like this.  I will probably hate the day that I get the bill from them on the repairs.  But at least now the kiddies will stay cool. ;D 

I should have guessed since the stone work went fairly smooth last week.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Erin on July 07, 2009, 12:52:48 PM
Oh wow! 
This is going together so beautifully
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on July 07, 2009, 01:16:50 PM
Very nice.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Bishopknight on July 07, 2009, 03:37:56 PM
Wow you've been very busy John! I do like it very much. Thats my favorite color of staining. I'm not a fan of light staining. I prefer the richer darker and earthier colors as well. I like the color of the roof too.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 10, 2009, 11:07:07 AM
Well the conclusion of another week at Dogtrot.  I picked up the base & casing that was needed for the cabin along with some additional sheets of 5/8" greenboard.  All total there was approximately 150 lin feet of base and 112 lin ft of casing.  Of which I have yet to finish.  Anyway I got the drywall hung and taped in the basement stairway.  Talk about a PIA.  Everything went well with the installation EXCEPT the last sheet on both sides at the bottom.  I had a bulkhead at the bottom where the exterior door goes.  I don't care how you cut it it just wouldn't go.  I had a friend that stopped by and told me I should have started at the bottom and went up the steps.  WRONG.  Didn't make any difference the full width sheet would not go.  I had added a 3/4" spacer board on both sides of the stairs as sort of a rake so that the drywall would slip past the end of the steps.  With the angle there was no room to manuver the sheet.  So my only option was to cut the sheet in half and seam it.  Oh Well it is hung and taped so on Monday I will start finishing.  I also picked up the 3/4" ply for the countertop base.  Speaking of which I have all the cabinet finishing done with the exception of 5 door frames ( glass inserted) to poly.  Then I can get them installed and tile the countertop with the exception of the Island which I will have to locate a diamond hole saw to run the waste and supply through the tile for the sink.  But that's another day.   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 16, 2009, 11:15:43 AM
Well this is the stairway from "Hades"  I could have drywalled three rooms in the time that it has taken me to do this much.  Since it is primarily in the basement the cure time for the compound is doubled.   Well anyway I usually stretch 1/2 work day into a complete day.  Coat of mud and then to the house staining and finishing trim the rest of the afternoon. 

Since my 1st floor stairway is completely open I needed to build the insulated wall at the bottom of the basement stairway to isolate things.  So here it is.

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After prime coat on the interior.

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Bulkhead of my prior referals that caused so much problem.  The solution was far easier than the problem.

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Basement view of the stairway.  Note the access door opening to gain storage under the steps,  The exterior door pictured will go at the bottom of the stairs.  Even now If I don't get it all drywalled under the stairs it is insulated. 

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I guess tomarrow will be about the same.  But I will haul up the baseboard when I go up and have something to do at the cabin after I work with the drywall.  Oh Yeah  "I do hate drywall".
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: rick91351 on July 16, 2009, 11:59:44 AM
I keep forgetting to write and ask where the front door came from?  It and the rock facing with the lights really show off well.  Very well presented.   [cool]

As far as the stairway from hell, or the sheet rock from hell in the stairway from hell it too shall pass.   ;D

Really happy for you all!!!  And the way it is all turning out.  Great job.  Hope my build looks so good when and if we ever get around to doing it.  $$$$

rlr
 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on July 16, 2009, 04:51:16 PM
Now I know why there are so many unfinnished basement stairways.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 16, 2009, 05:18:01 PM
rick91351 the door was bought at a surplus builders auction which is held in my area twice a year.  I have no idea of the manufacturer but a friend said he found the door at Home Depot in Charlotte,NC for $1,350.  Lord knows that is not even close what I gave for it.  It is a solid 2" mahogany door.  I had been trying to find something that would go with the look of the cabin and this was the closest I could find without having it custom made which would have probably cost more than a car. ;D  Yes there is alot of things that have aggrivated me since I started but as you say " they have passed".   Thanks for the compliments. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on July 19, 2009, 07:58:50 AM
Your house is mad ART John!  Amazing 8)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 22, 2009, 11:56:16 AM
Got a little late start this morning on Dogtrot. A neighbor needed to finish his flue at his summer home about 4-1/2 miles up the mountain from mine.  So being neighborly I told him that I would give him a hand.  I parged the flue in about 2-1/2 hrs.  It was 8' tall, 30" deep and about 7' wide.  Sorry son since you are with me today you can mix the mortar.   ;)  He was paid and I think overpaid as Ken gave him a new "Buck" survival bowie knife.  Dad didn't get anything as it was for a friend and his friendship was paid in full.

Here is a picture of the before. A lot of uneven blocks but I did manage to get the parging half way level so that I can lay some stone on it in a week or two.

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Here is  pictures of the after

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Here is his house that he has been working on for the last 13 years.  There used to be an A frame which is almost in line with what he has now but had been removed.  Another old trooper who was shot in the early 70's and is disabled.

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Did manage to salvage a portion of the day.  Trimmed out three interior doors and run some base molding in the cabin.

This is  pictures of the bathroom "knotty pine" door. Same door just different angle.  The color is closer to the first.  I guess the flash just made it apper reddish.

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Here is the master bedroom door which is on the same wall off the foyer as the bathroom door.

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Sorry no hardware on the doors.  There is an auction coming up this Saturday and I hope to pick up some matching knobs to what I already have to be installed.  
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 23, 2009, 12:47:46 PM
I got another door set to the loft bathroom and trimmed out. About the same as yesterday with a "knotty pine" door. Still some more base to run but I have got to trim out the pocket door for the master bath before I can continue.  That holds up the Master bedroom and bath progress.  I did however haul the kitchen cabinets to the cabin from the house and set them to see what the fit was like.  I think I did find the diamond hole saws to use from a plumber.  Maybe next week I will tackle the cabinets.

Oh yeah I thought that some might find it a little curious about my friends flue with their being a 6" pipe near the ground level.  It is for a wood fired hot tub,  So the flue is for both the fireplace and the hot tub.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on July 23, 2009, 02:34:31 PM
It's looking almost finished John. Nice work.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Mike 870 on July 29, 2009, 10:36:54 AM
What is the name of the stain you used for the door? Looks great.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Bishopknight on July 29, 2009, 05:40:10 PM
John, amazing job, grace and I are sitting here admiring your work. Our next house will have this kind of detail, for sure!  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 01, 2009, 03:29:16 PM
For those who have been keeping abreast of the Dogtrot progress you have probably noticed that there hasn't been any for the last week.  My wife convinced me to take a week off ( 1st time in the last three years).  So we ended up on the Outer Banks of NC for a week.  Nice but a tad too hot for me.  Everyone had a good time.  I took a few photographs. But to the important information first.

Bishopknight Thanks for the kind words.  I don't think I will ever make it to another house.  I still have to finish this one and I still have about 1400 sq ft to finish with my full time residence (garage loft, shop and garage.  I have not really needed now so I guess that is why I have put it off.  Although the shop would be nice.

Mike 870   I really don't know exactly what the stain color is on the door.  It was bought pre-finished.  It is a solid mahogony door.  The touch up material (stain marker and wax pencil) that was with the door is labeled as "Mohawk M280-1522, Oak , Statesman #2" if that will help you.

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ListerD on August 03, 2009, 07:12:02 AM
 [shocked]

Looks awesome! Been a bit since I checked this thread. Great job on the place. The stone work is "to die for".
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on August 03, 2009, 03:44:11 PM
That last batch of pics don't show for me John.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 03, 2009, 03:54:03 PM
Sorry Scott.  I moved that portion to "Just needed a break".  I thought I had it taken care of but apparently I didn't.  No new building pics.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 03, 2009, 05:38:31 PM
Bishopknight I was going back through my thread and you commented on the stain and the roof color. Sorry I didn't reply sooner.   The stain is Olympic "Driftwood" semi-transparent.   The roof is called "Burnished Slate" and is also labeled by some companies as Antique Brown. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 07, 2009, 12:03:14 PM
Most of this week was spent trimming out the cabin.  I figure that I am about 95% finished with that task.  I had roughly 36 feet of either transition/ threshold material to install at the bathroom doors, hearth and where the kitchen meets the hardwood.  I priced transition strips and the cheapest I could find was about $4 a foot.  [shocked] They only had 36" & 72" available.   So I went to my local mill and found some 3/4" X 3" T&G white oak.  I cut the T&G off and milled it to resemble transition.  Another factor other than the price (which was bad enough) was that the only solid wood transition I could find was for a 3/8" elevation.  With the Kitchen I had 1/2".  The hearth I could get by with 3/8".  The added width actually helped without making the transition too steep.  In addition I installed the pocket door to the bathroom from the master bedroom.   The price of the white oak was roughly $14 and I had the time it took to mill and finish.  Here are a few photographs of what I accomplished.  There are so many other things to do I am not sure what I will start on next.  Just have to wait and see what strikes my fancy.  ;D

Front Foyer meeting the kitchen

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Rear Foyer meeting the Kitchen

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Fireplace Hearth

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Pocket Door

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on August 07, 2009, 12:50:48 PM
Wow! Looks very nice John.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on August 07, 2009, 12:59:10 PM
Looking great!  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 11, 2009, 11:40:11 AM
Not exactly Dogtrot but I have been working.  A couple weeks ago I helped my neighbor with his chimney.  Well the last couple of days I went back and laid the stone on the majority.  I left him to complete the back (roof side) and grout.  Not some of my better work but hey I only had a 16" (2-2'X8") walkboards at the most to sit a mud pan, cut off saw, stone and Me. The front had a littel more room for staging and pulling up mud buckets, stone and the like.  He's happy so that what counts. Hopefully I can get back to my project with the kitchen cabinets.  I have been waiting for a diamond hole saw to run the drain and gas lines through the marble. Should find out tonight if a friend has located his at another job site.

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Yesterday we had to quit early because of a thunderstorn that passed through.  I really didn't feel confortable standing on the steel roof with all of the antennas sticking up around me.  Before I could make it off one strike did come fairly close.  I could visualize being lit up like a candle.  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Bishopknight on August 11, 2009, 12:07:51 PM
Ah cool John, very nice. Like I said, I really like the colors. Grace and I also love your front door.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 14, 2009, 12:05:38 PM
Minimal amount of work on Dogtrot this week.  I did manage to get the island anchored in the kitchen and constructed the top ( Laminated 2 layers of  3/4" plywood glued and screwed). I thinsetted the "Ditra" on top after cutting out the sink opening.  Sorry no pics.  I was hoping that I could get by without putting Corbels on the 1' overhang but I don't think it will be strong enough and the marble tile countertop will break. You know how some people just like to lean on the bar.  ;D  Oh Well just another project to the list of many.

After helping one neighbor get started with his stone flue project I was again drafted by another neighbor to get him started.  I may have spoken of him on here before but he is a retired WWF National Wrestling champion.  Commonly known as "Hands of Stone". He lives in the Charlotte area and is building a cabin about 1/4 mile from mine. He refers to it as a cabin but it is honestly a house away from home.  He wanted to construct a stone flue for his free standing soapstone stove.  So being the person that I am I told him that I would get him started in the process. Here is a picture of the chase and one side that I parged.  He picked up on the process really well and begin the opposite side with the leftover mortar.  Once he gets it finished parging I will probably go over and get him started on his stone work.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 26, 2009, 08:06:46 AM
Well I started setting the kitchen cabinets this week.  Two are permanently set and the third (sink & island)will have to wait.  I still haven't located a diamond hole saw for the drain line and supply that goes through the marble floor.  The cabinet tops are double 3/4" ply with Ditra on top.  I laid the marble yesterday and grouted today.  I will trim the edges with oak similar to the transition color that I had put in a week or so ago.  Here are a couple of pictured of the base units.  Since I grouted there is still a grout haze on the marble.  When it cured I will buff it out the same as the floor.  I waited on installing the upper cabinets until I had the countertop tiled.  I could just imagine how many times I would bump my head.  Just made sense to wait for ease of tile installation.  Miss my go-for today.  He started school.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 27, 2009, 12:24:25 PM
I went to Lowes this morning to pick up the needed plumbing parts for the double bowl sink in the kitchen.  While I was there I priced a 1-3/8" diamond hole saw.  $ 70  [shocked].  I hate to put that much money into drilling 6 holes and probably never use it again.  I had an inquiry to a friend (plumber) who is building himself.  He said that he had one but has misplaced it in the construction process.  So I put out another inquiry and should hear from him this evening.  I went ahead and drilled the waste line the old fashioned way.  Tracing the pipe outline with a permanent marker on the marble floor followed by drilling SEVERAL 5/32" holes with a carbide bit and water flow on the line.  I driller another  1/2" hole in the center and then took a chisel and broke from the outside line to the center.  It took nearly 2 hour for that one hole.  But it didn't crack the rest of the tile. ;D  The remaining holes are for gas and water supply lines.  If I don't hear anything tonight I will attempt the two supply lines (adjacent) to the waste line tomarrow.  This process needs to be done to permanently secure the island so i can tile it.  It doesn't have to be pretty because the island sits over the holes and it will not be seen. I am undecided about the other holes but there is always escutcheons right.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on August 27, 2009, 06:54:16 PM
"It doesn't have to be pretty"

Only you and the mice will know for sure.  ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 28, 2009, 03:58:04 PM
considerations I am hoping that I have most of the holes sealed up.  The mice were a problem early on but you never know.  As the saying goes in the movie "Field of Dreams" in that "If you build it they will come".  Kind of hard building something in the woods and not expect some guest.

As for today I permanently secured the island.  The plumbing holes are not a pretty sight but will do.  I wrapped the island with 1x6 T&G.  The only thing remaining to do is the corbels on the island bar.  I cut them out this evening and hopefully over the weekend I can get them finished and install them Monday and begin tileing the countertop.  

I saw my neighbor ( the fireplace stone work help) this evening and asked him to stop by Monday and help me with the upper cabinets.  Too much to hold and secure myself given the uneveness of the walls (logs) and the need to shim them out.  

Anyway here is a picture of the plumbing holes I had mentioned in the earlier post.  Sort of looks like a drunk groundhog with buck teeth cut them out.

The before

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The after

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This is the Island after I installed the T&G

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If you are wondering what this picture is depicting it is a work station.  I changed the design on the corner cabinet which was suppose to have an 18" cabinet adjacent to the corner unit.  I moved the 18" cabinet 30" to the right to create a mini-bar or work station. It is hidden in the photo behind the island.   I just thought it might be nice to have a little more countertop area.  I guess with a little overhead lighting it would be a good place to sit down and pay the bills. [waiting]

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on August 28, 2009, 04:38:26 PM
Starting to come together. Looks good.  :)
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Post by: Redoverfarm on August 31, 2009, 11:15:05 AM
Moving right along.  I got the corbels installed on the island this morning.  Then cut and dry fit the tile for the countertop which I will lay tomarrow.  I was sweating at the corner cuts on the bar top around the sink.  Marble has a tendency to break in small narrow pieces so cutting out for the sink was slow.  But none of them broke as I had anticipated.  

My neighbor stopped by and helped me put up the upper cabinets.  All that is remaining on them is to install the shelves and hang the glass front doors.  I still have the toe-kick to put on the cabinets and base around the island.  

Here is a picture of the corbels and the upper cabinets.

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Sorry that the last picture is offset a little. On my screen I have to use the bar at the bottom to bring it in line.  
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on August 31, 2009, 01:43:16 PM
Looks very nice.  :)
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Post by: Dog on August 31, 2009, 01:50:44 PM
Wow! You got a lot done today!  Looking good!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 31, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
Thanks Dog & Scott.  I didn't get as much accomplished as I had wanted to today.  I had to quit early and go run a couple cows that had gotten out.  Oh Well tomarrow is another day.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on August 31, 2009, 04:02:01 PM
Looking very nice indeed, John.   :D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 03, 2009, 02:33:28 PM
After the last few days the kitchen is almost completely finished.  Still have to set the sink , overhead lights and a few switch plates.  I made the band trim for the countertops out of the same white oak I made the transitions from.  With the two layers of 3/4" ply , thinset, Ditra and the 1/2 tile it came to just under 2-1/2" thick. Here is a few pics of the finished product.

Island Front and Rear.

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Complete Set

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Stand Alone base that will seperate the gas range from the refrigerator

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I had something strange happen today with one of the prefinished pieces of trim.  When I unloaded it I left it on the edge of the deck.  The sun shined most of the day and when I looked at the piece it had blisters in the part that was exposed to the sun.  The remaining was shielded by the porch roof and alright.  The only thing I can think is that it had not cured long enough. ???

I guess tomarrow I will work on getting the sink installed.  I had already dry fitted so it's just assembly then to the basement to finish it up.  

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on September 03, 2009, 02:44:58 PM
Looks awsome John.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on September 03, 2009, 03:19:13 PM
... blisters in the part that was exposed to the sun.  The remaining was shielded by the porch roof and alright.  The only thing I can think is that it had not cured long enough. ???


Moisture in the wood coming out with the heat from the sun?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 03, 2009, 06:07:49 PM
I would say that you are probably correct with the moisture. Maybe not neccessarily in the wood but the stain and poly.  I sort of rushed the finishing process and probably the steps didn't have ample time to cure out.  It was dry to the touch but maybe hadn't cured under the skin.  Luckily I had a litle extra and just cut around that piece. The temps at night have been fairly low which might account for it now fully drying.  Normally the garage is warm at night but not last night.  If you notice the majority of the blisters seem to originate in the grain which would be the heaviest concentration of stain.    Oh Well that's "water under the bridge" now.   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Bishopknight on September 08, 2009, 11:50:47 AM
Looks great John, love the stain color, very pro job  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dandlite on September 10, 2009, 07:15:34 AM
you do some nice stuff...
there Red...it all just kinda flows together...ya got good vision...!
kinda like an artist can look at a blank paper...see something that's not there but then paint it...
it's a gift...! Dan...

P.S. i'm gonna do this dog trot stuff...kinda...maybe 3-14 x 24's...i figure if i build them all down hill a bit i can kinda roll
from one to the next...not having to trot...the master BR would be the last...so..the only problem i'm having is how to get back
to the top of the hill in the morning for coffee...i'm thinkin' maybe a little solar-battery cart...red convert. would do it...

P.S.-2 the other prob. is a staircase in a small building to get to a loft...i'm trying to figure out a kinda dumb-waitor kinda thing...
something you can lower and raise str8 up but yet raise it during the day to keep it off the bottom floor...
you're into dungeons and chains and metal and stuff...give me some out of the box ideas...!  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: upa on September 10, 2009, 08:48:22 AM
looks great
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on September 10, 2009, 10:01:17 AM
Yes, it really looks gorgeous!  Always look forward to your updates & pics  :)

When you 1st put the marble floor in I kinda wondered if it would go with the whole look but it really is nice!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: PEG688 on September 13, 2009, 07:19:47 AM

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 Do you guys do "hider's" back there? They are becoming popular out here, a metal shroud that covers the chimney top and hides the flues?

  Nice work all around. I seem to miss this thread some how, good work! 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 13, 2009, 07:32:54 AM
That's a new one on me.  I guess you are referring to a shroud that covers the clay liner. ???

I don't even have a cap for mine at the house.  Did once and I got drip which ran down the cap and onto the stone so I removed it. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: PEG688 on September 13, 2009, 07:35:51 AM

  I have three that just got delivered last week . They have to go to the powder coater this week , I'll post them on the Bigger windows thread when they get final installed.

   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 16, 2009, 11:37:58 AM
Most of the day was spent on "odds & ends".  I finished plumbing the sink and installing the faucet. Mounted a few gas heaters.  I still haven't found a diamond hole saw and still haven't found anyone to run the rigid pipe from the supply.   Then moved onto the kitchen ceiling lights.  There will be two 24" flourescent banks (3-T8 bulbs in each) on either side of the middle ceiling beam.  They are wired with 3-way switches.  Wiring takes on a new meaning when you do not have any light/junction boxes to wire the lights to.  Early on I routed out the ceiling beam(before loft floor) and ran the wires terminating them in the middle of the room.  You might have seen the bunny ears in a early post.  So today I figured out which wires were which and hooked them up to the lights.  Since I have two lights which will work in union I needed to breach through the ceiling joist to connect one to the other as well as wire them in a 3 way configuration.  That is where the looped bunny ears came into the picture.  By splitting them I had an extra 14/3 to jump from one side to the other. Thank goodness for diagrams.

Kitchen Sink COMPLETED

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Spaghetti Anyone

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Finished Product

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I will still need to route out a trim to cover the small (3-4")section of wiring between the beam and the light fixture but that can wait until another day.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on September 16, 2009, 01:01:39 PM
John did you make the glass front cabnet doors? If so how? I might want to do something like that. Sink looks nice. Looks like you guys could do christmas in the new cabin maybe.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: jdhen on September 16, 2009, 03:26:40 PM
John- routing out the beam seems like a great idea.  What size bit did you use?  I was thinking of using some sort of metal housing for the wiring but that is a much better solution.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 16, 2009, 04:48:25 PM
ScottA actually I didn't my friend made them when he made the cabinets.  But he made them for raised panel (force of habit I guess) and I had to go back and route the back portion (1/4" X 1/8") of the doors frame out so that the glass could be placed in after the frame was glued up.  Then I used clear silicone to adhered the glass to the wood frame on the back side of the doors in that sort of rabbited out area.  As far as making them just use a raised panel bit.

It would just be wishful thinking to say it will be ready by X-mas.  I still have a lot of time consuming task to do.  One of the biggest will be the log stairs which I am waiting for the moisture to drop in the log stringers now.  Well, septic, power to work out yet.

The sink is actually "Bisque" and matches the tile better than what appears in the photo. It looks white in the picture.  

jdhen I say route out the beam. Actually I started doing that but was afraid that the router would go haywire and off to the edge and possibly ruin the beam face.  I ended up just using a chaulk box and laid out a 3/4" wide area mid center the beam and used my circular saw at a 3/4" depth.  About 3-4 passes and the only thing left was several small splines which I broke out then used a 3/4" chisel and cleaned it out. When I got to the point that the lights would be I turned and sawed the same width through the face from the opposing trough to run my wires out to the light.  My ceiling heigth was only 7' 7-1/2"and the beams are 7-1/2" so I couldn't mount the box at the bottom of the beams.  I guess I could have mounted the box on the ceiling but them I would have had to trim it to hide it and with a flush mount light it just worked better for this application. Just be cautious when you nail/screw your flooring that you only nail or screw on either side of the trough.  Your flooring will go perpendicular to the beams so you should be able to tell when installing the flooring/ceiling.

I would say that you could route it out with a regular straight bit 3/8" dia in two passes if you have a router guide to keep it from wondering.

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 17, 2009, 12:13:39 PM
I finshed the light today with the exception of the trim covers for the wiring.  I wanted to test it out but I didn't have the T8 bulbs. Oh Well.  I also mounted the individual room propane wall heaters and drilled the floor for the supply line on the ones I could which were in a hardwood floor room. The others in the tile rooms will have to wait.  I got a count on the recepticles, switches and plates need to complete the wiring.  The grey & brown colored ones are difficult to find here.

I got a call from a guy some 100 miles away that I was talking to about water storage tanks.  He said he expects a shipment this afternoon and will call me tonight.  They are 250 gal, poly tanks with a steel cage and valved.  They had only been used once for food grade Soy Lechtin so they should be good for temporary water storage.  I know that new they sell for about $1 a gallon so $75 each doesn't sound that bad.   Mark another up to Craigslist.  Anyway there is a Home Depot & Lowes in that area and I may be able to find the switchs and recepticles.

Here is a picture of the double ceiling light in the kitchen

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The bathroom sink and toilet. Just temporarily set for plumbing alignment.

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The wall heaters in their various rooms.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 25, 2009, 12:12:57 PM
This week has been pretty laid back.  I picked up the water tanks that I mentioned in an earlier post as well as the recepticles, switches and plates.  I have the complete main floor and loft areas wired up with the exception of the ceiling fan in the livingroom. I also finished wiring the panel box which was just mostly dead end wires hanging on the wall.    I also broke down and drilled the marble floor for the gas supply lines.  Never did find a diamond hole saw so I drilled them as I did underneath the island. Actually they turned out pretty good but to make things nice and neat I picked up some estucheons to go around the gas line and water lines in the bathrooms. I also installed the entry door to the basement stairway.  Just a lot of odds & ends putting off the big ticket items $$$ for later. 

The winter is coming fast.  Ask me how I can tell.  I have trapped 4 mice in the crawlspace.  One a night.  I found out they are really carnivorous in nature.  The one that I trapped last night was half deviored this morning with the guest still feasting when I checked it.  Baited it up again and we'll see what happens. I had found an older nest in the corner between the joist and the sill plate which was probably what was used to bear the young.  So hopefully I can catch the whole family within a short period of time before thay can reproduce again.  As I said before concerning mice and building "build it and they will come" ;D

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 13, 2009, 11:38:33 AM
Well it's been a couple weeks since I have posted an update.  I drywalled the storage room under the stairway to the basement.  It's not real pretty considering that I had used up my scraps. Some are 1/2 and others are 5/8".  They are mainly green board.  But it will be a storage area and it will be out of site.  

I picked up a new addition to the cabin this weekend.  My mother had this one in the garage. She is using another one in her house now.  It is not in mint condition but with a little TLC I think I can make it shine again for the most part.  My intentions were to have the chrome portions redone.  But I will use it this winter "As is" and maybe when summer comes I can disassemble it and have the chrome done.  Still haven't found a location to get this done yet but I have a couple leads. The stove is complete with a water jacket but I doubt that it will ever or rarely get used in that capacity.  I went ahead and installed it on the right side just to cover the non-enameled area if it was removed. The stove has the markings of Maleable Stove Manufacturing of South Bend.  The model I guess from a plate mounted on the side was  # 2182

I often wonder when I run across older products just how it was used, how many meals were prepared on it.  It has 6 burner eyes and I could imagine at one time in a large family they were pretty well all used at one time not to mention Biscuits and bread in the oven.  

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I installed the basement stairs door.  Still have the trim to install.

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I am not real sure whether I had mentioned my well pump situation or not.  I am looking at a Grundfos pump which only draws 9 amps (no start-up surge) which should work well with the battery system.  Only problem it will pump 10GPM at 200 ft but to a non-pressurized system.  By running it directly to the pressure tank it drops to .5 GPM.  So I will pump it into a storage tank (250 gal) and then use a RV or 12 volt pump into the pressure tank of the cabin.  I still haven't worked out all the details yet but when push comes to shove it should work.  Here is the storage tank that I picked up off of Craigslist a couple weeks ago.  It was food grade storage tank which originally held Soy Lechtin.

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I will pick up the necessary stove pipe tomarrow to get the stove up and running.  I am sure that it will be needed before you know it for heat. I was sort of hoping to have the gas lines ran for the propane heater but like every other contractor the guy that started hasn't showed up for the last week or so.  He will eventiually show up as I have his tools locked in the basement.   ;D

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on October 13, 2009, 11:49:25 AM
I love that stove. Looking good John.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on October 15, 2009, 06:11:36 AM
I think you put the basement door too close to the stairs, it won't open like that  ??? ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on October 15, 2009, 06:30:12 AM
The door appears to swing out; no hinges visible on the inside.


Cool old stove.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 15, 2009, 12:37:15 PM
Jens that was on purpose.  It is an exterior door which is normally suppose to swing in.   Buy reversing it's orientation it will now swing out away from the steps and against the wall.  I couldn't extend the landing to allow for this because of the end wall of the house.  I think I have about 6" remaining now with the door wide open.  I could have built the wall to extend to that end wall and placed the door in the wall at 90 deg from it's current position( to the left) but that would have created a "dogleg" trying to carry things up the steps.

Oh BTW the stove works great. Hot lunch today.  Left over hamburger in tin foil for about 5 minutes. Try some soup tomarrow.  Need to round up some good cast iron cookware.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 15, 2009, 08:02:50 PM
Boy, John,  that's all looking great.  The stove is a beauty.

For the pump - have you checked out the Grundfos SQ Flex.  It is specifically for solar-will run direct off the panels or other ways,  and also has a controller for solar/generator, but will run on any power with the proper control box.  2 to 3 gallon per minute and other models also - low water cutout etc.  It covers everything.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on October 16, 2009, 07:04:36 PM
That stove looks perfect in there!  You've done such a wonderful job on everything - if I ever make it out that way, I will certainly have to take a tour  c*
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 17, 2009, 02:43:26 AM
Sassy you are Welcome anytime.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on October 17, 2009, 04:54:47 PM
yeah, another case where a dry sense of sarcastic humor does not translate well in type.  Oh well.  Looks like you are getting close to our visit!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 17, 2009, 06:19:27 PM
That's OK Jens.  I figure if it has a hinge the door swings both ways.  ;D.  The only way to do it correctly is to have ordered a "outswing" door which would be about twice the price I paid for this one and since it is not exposed I wasn't going to worry about the weather.  
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 26, 2009, 09:31:13 AM
It's been 2 weeks since I posted an update on the cabin.  Been working nearly everyday but from a visual standpoint it appears that nothing has been done.  I finally got about 95% of the gas lines ran through the cabin.  I would have finished if I hadn't ran out of a couple fittings.  I should be finished tomarrow. Probably next week I will call the gas company to bring me the tank and hook it up.

Installed the bathroom sink and lavatory permanently. Painted the stairway and basment partition.  The shade is basickly the same as in the bathroom. 

Installed some lighting fixtures throughout. I went with a low profile light since I was limited on headroom with the beams. 

I still have the main septic line to run to the floor, septic field to install, generator to hook up, and alot of complicated work but I am getting closer.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on October 26, 2009, 12:45:17 PM
Almost done!   You won't know what to do with yourself.  He-he.   heh
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 30, 2009, 10:44:44 AM
Most of this week has been repairing a few things and it's not over yet.  Started off when I noticed a short wire in the wall.  I posted on the subject which is here. http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=7855.0.  I finally got it corrected. In my search for knowledge I frequented another forum that I am a member of and posed the problem.  After I got it fix this is the reply that I got from one of the members.

"As a chief inspector. I will issue a cyber RED CARD and stop work order. Not that really means anything. I will add the violation notice later. I am not at a computer with the NEC in it. This is for educational purposes only. As you know now the code and specifically the 1 1/2 inch set back for NM is with good reason. Very glad you found this before it turned deadly or burnt down what looks like a beautiful house".
 

Secondly we finished up on the gas line.  Been an uphill battle just getting the plumber to show up.  Started on 9/29 and finshed on 10/29 for a total of 13 hours.  That just gets my goat.  Skilled craft are so independent they could care less about commitment, schedules and the like.  There are some exceptions but for the most part I am correct.  Well I discovered this morning that there is 5 leaks in about 60+ connections. I sure hope that I will not have to wait another 30 days to get them fixed.  Yes I could fix them but I paid for the job and I don't feel it's my responsibility.  Fortuneately they are at the drops (7) and no main line leaks.  

I am hoping by next week if I can get them fixed that I will be able to set a tank and use the heaters in the near future.  Still debating about the outside line from the tank to the cabin.  It is not that long of a run but I don't want black iron on the outside.  I will have a drop for teh generator midways to the cabin.  Maybe the gas company can come up with something.  
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Mike 870 on November 01, 2009, 05:51:17 AM
I hear you about the plumber.  I had a cracked nut on my main valve entering my house, and my shower knob was jammed up.  I paid $40 to the county to get my water turned off at the street, and took a half day from work, and the guy never showed.  This guy had already been to my house to give a quote and collect a $60 service fee.  Wouldn't answer his phone, no courtesy call or anything.  Finally after another half day and another $40 to shut the water off I get it fixed by a different guy.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on November 02, 2009, 09:56:19 AM
What brand  and size ofPropane heater did you decide to get?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 03, 2009, 05:09:22 PM
What brand  and size ofPropane heater did you decide to get?

What I got was Eskabe.  3-20,000 and 1-10,000.  I am not sure exactly how they will work as I haven't gotten them hooked up to the gas yet. BTW I did finally get all the leaks discovered and it is holding 80# of air pressure.  I called the gas company and they are 5-6 tanks installations behind so it may be a while before mine. 

On a similar note.  The guy who installed my lines used pipe dope (which I purchased).  He said that he normally used teflon tape (yellow) and hardly ever has any leaks in installation. 

Work on the cabin has been steady. No real earth breaking things just installing lock sets, started trimming out the exterior window, did some more minor plumbing ( Island Sink w/no vent stack).

I took out some time off in the afternoon to get in some wood that I had cut and split earlier.   This should be the last of it.  I will be pretty much set for next winter.  Not real sure about this one coming up.  Might have to find some standing dead stuff to accompany what I have.  That is an understatement.  I still do not have any firewood for the cabin though.  I had better get busy one of these days (real soon).

Here is a picture of some serious BTU's.  It is just about all that I want to haul with the trailer and the roads that I have to haul it from.  This is the second load in two days.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on November 03, 2009, 05:25:11 PM
Nice bunch of fuelwood. 

FWIW, I have had better success using teflon pipe dope/paste than the teflon tape. I used both on the plumbing and gas piping in our cabin. The only threaded fitting that had a leak was one of the water connectins at the shower. One I used tape on.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 05, 2009, 02:01:59 PM
Majority of the week has been spent on trimming out the windows and doors on the exterior.  So far I have gotten 3 windows and two doors.  I still have 9 windows remaining.  Two of which will require scaffolding for the loft area.  The remaining 7 will be slow going as they are adjacent to the log walls.  I have it in my mind how I will accomplish it.  My plan is to cut a kerf in the log wall to accept coil stock which I will break and overhang the trim board on the top portion then followup with caulking to seal the kerf and coil stock.  If it is feesible I would like to cut the kerf with a slight degree so that the water will not run into the log wall if possible.  I will continue to use "grace membrane" to seal the area between the rough framing and the window itself.  Will see how it goes.  I used Grace on the ones that I already did. 

With the temps in the mid 20'sF in the AM I found another use for the wood cookstove. I precut the grace to length and roll them up and place them into the warming oven on a sheet of tin foil.  When I get them out they are very pliable and the sealant is re-juvinated making for a easy adhesion.

Here is a couple pictures of the windows and door that I have done.  The white around the door is clear caulking that hasn't cured.  Excuse the mess on the front porch.  Since the majority of the interior is finished I lack a staging area for lumber and scraps.  But I guess being from WV that is probably a normal look. ;D

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 12, 2009, 12:58:24 PM
Well the last couple of days were spent on odds & ends inside the cabin. Installed a few locks, roughed in the main sewer/drain line to the 4" in the floor and installed a few more lights.  Two in the basement were auction items.  They were made as a light kit for a ceiling fan with a schoolhouse globe.  I bought a case of 12 for $10.  A little miodification to the base (drilled an extra hole) and they bolt right up to a 3-1/2" square box. So minus a 12' piece of 14/2 wire, two 60 watt bulbs and two metal boxes I have a total of $1.66 in them.

The last couple of days we were catching the spin-offf of Ida and it has rained the complete time.  Somewhere between 2-4" of rainfall.  On Tuesday I started making the drip edge and installing it on the windows.  Coil stock and a metal break I borrowed from a contractor friend. Then the rain started.  I did manage to get 5 windows done.  The log walls were the worst to figure out.  I set my circulat saw at 15 deg and cut a 1/2" kerf in  the log just above the window trim.  I really hated to cut into the logs but I guess it was necessary and probably minor to what they have endured over the past 100 years or so.  Then I made the drip edge out of the coil stock and inserted one edge in the saw kerf, caulked and bent the other 90 deg to the face of the trim.

Here are a few pictures of the log wall window.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: karnf on November 12, 2009, 01:34:46 PM
Sorry for all your rainfall and delays you are encountering with Ida. I live in Maryland and was enroute
to western Maryland to finish my siding and got held up with the drenching rain. Imay have to go
out tomorrow to close up the exterior siding before the snow season starts(chance of snow tonight..
ouch!).
I'm sorry if you have already mentioned but what is the color and brand you used on your trim and
board and batton for it is perfect for blending in with the tree and nature?
I have to say you have one of the nicest cabins on this site and I just love your front door. Medival
and rustic all rolled into one. Keep up the great work and photos coming!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 12, 2009, 02:28:33 PM
karnf

Hows the cabin in Garrett Co.  I think the last time I had talked to you about it I had mentioned using Advantex for the floor decking.  Need to get some "eye candy" (pics)of the cabin.  Yes it is that time of the year for snow in that area.  We really need the rain so I will not complain about getting it only that it restricts the outside work some. Our snowfall is not much behind yours. 

The stain is Olympic, Semi-transparent oil based.  The color is "driftwood".  It was actually about the closest I could come to the log shades. I have strived to make it as inconpicuous as possible without painting it camoflauge. ;D.  The roof color is Antique brown or burnished slate which also sort of blends toward the stain and the logs.   

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=194622-86-79250A/01&lpage=none

Thanks for the kind words. 

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: karnf on November 12, 2009, 03:27:53 PM
I will be going up soon and have been putting together a collage of pics and will start posting soon
once I can get the exterior done. I am using 1x6 spruce fence boards for the exterior which I got for
free but had to take apart the panels and cut off the bad ends which were buried in mulch on the
property of the guy who gave them to us. My wife separted the panels, pressure washed and stained
the boards with a cedar stain we already had. You can still see some areas where the 2x4 boards held
the panels together but it really doesn't look that bad. The only cost for the exterior was the gas and
electric used for pressure and compressor for the paint sprayer. We do have a green metal roof and door
but I probably will restain with the color you have next year. I really was looking for exactly your color but
we had this fence stain free and wanted to get it done fast. We sprayed them at home and brought the
boards which are PT to the lot site. The only setback is that I put the boards on the building which was
7'6" high and still had about 3' left to the roof. What I had to do was to had 2x4 furring strips on the top
part and I split the fence board in two and used one 7' 6" underneath the first level. I did add insulation
very thin underneath the siding.
I am going back to finish the top section of the 12' sides (front and back). I was going to add windows
there for one side will have a loft but decided to come back and put them in when winter subsides and
I will have time to put in more light. I may put the board and batton look or just leave the the boards
with no strip for the boards are older and won't shrink much. I also went with this design so that the ends
of the boards will be exposed that the water can just run off without the trim which may hold in water.
Also it was a question of not having much money to finish the exterior and got 18 panels of pressure treated
spruce boards for free and felt that if the boards don't last I can always change them at a later date.
But I have to tell you that the boards after cleaning are in great shape especially after the stain was added.
It is amazing what you can get free on craigslist for I got a free harvester woodstove, exterior boards for
decking and interior framing boards and a little bit of insulation. I keep finding deals all the time so you'll
take a look.
On the flooring, I have already installed the advantec on the framing and floor which is really sturdy. I
plan on using advantec for the loft flooring also.
Sorry for not posting pics along the way but I have had a hard time getting over there and am now pressed
for a deadline with the weather and the HOA.
Thanks for inquiring.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 16, 2009, 01:25:01 PM
I guess now I can say that I am totally finished with scaffolding.  I finished the windows today.  Actually I had finished Friday but in retrospect I decided to do the two bedroom windows drip edge on the top of the windows. Originally I had just caulked between the window exterior framing trim and thought it would be OK.  Then the more I thought about it decided that since I had the metal brake and scaffolding WHY NOT.  I am sure that the original version would have sufficed but I feel better with the metal.  I basicly saw kerfed above the window to except the flashing edge, installed and then caulked the seam.  So with the original caulking and the metal flashing and then re-caulked it sort of doubles the guarantee.  If it leaks now at least that I know that I did my best and will just have to address it when the time comes.

Here is the before and after.


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So then onto other weather proofing.  I started sealing up the log wall corners with clear caulking.  I was really pleased at how little the mortar chinking had shrunk.  I had just glanced at it periodically but never really closeup.  The picture shows the corner intersection of the log wall and the chinking.  I went ahead and caulked that intersection anyway.  This may eliminate any air infiltration to the inside and maybe disregard on caulking the interior wall corners.  I guess I will find out on a cold windy day with the aid of a candle flame just how tight it will be.  I am sure that it is probably a little better than the original chink ( horsehair, mud , sawdust, sticks, rocks and the like that was used).  Not pictured is the intersection of the log wall and the board and batten wall.  Although I tried to keep the scribing fairly close there were some locations that needed attention.  I used foam backer rod forced it into the openings and then caulked that joint.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 18, 2009, 01:59:28 PM
Hooray.    :)  

I am completely finished with the outside of the cabin.  At least for now.  I lacked a few batten strips which were left off so I could install the two rear exterior doors (pictured in an earlier post ).  A little chilly to be staining and they were not competely dry before I nailed them up but they will just dry on their own in their good ol time.  I still have two large decks to build but that will just have to wait til spring.  

I also moved all the tools from the first floor to the basement to my equipment trailer (4X8 tag along).  I used this in the beginning stages of construction when I had to haul my tools from the house to the cabin on a daily basis.  It's been parked in the basement once I got locked doors.  I don't think they will all fit.  I have picked up several since I started and it has almost completely filled up the trailer.  

So in essence I have the stairs to build, buy and install 4 fans/lights and that will finished the first floor.  Still have cabinets to build for the loft bathroom and install the sink and toilet and thats about it.  I don't really count installing the frigerator or range of which I still have to purchase. Moving right along.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on November 18, 2009, 03:32:38 PM
Congrats John. Finished is a nice word about now. I'm right behind you.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: TexstarJim on November 19, 2009, 05:15:22 PM
Absolutely beautiful, no doubt about it....... and congratulations on finishing the exterior John, a job well done! :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 21, 2009, 02:56:29 PM
Well I told a little white lie.  Not really.  I said I was finished with the scaffolding but I forgot that I had to use it today to install the living room fan/light.  The peak of the ceiling is 17&1/2 feet above the floor.  I thought it would be much easier than battling a extension ladder.  Even with the scaffolding it took me nearly all day on 1 fan and wiring the threeway switches on the first floor and loft landing.  Of course some of the time was setting up and tearing down the scaffolding.  

And yes I am working on a Saturday.  That's something I usually try not to do since I work there the majority of the week but I missed a day that my mother had surgery and I am playing catch-up.  Besides the DW went for annual X-mas shopping.  I would rather climb around on scaffolding that do that.  ;D

Yesterday I installed two fan/lights in the loft room.  I know that sounds like a long time for just two fans but each of the mounting bases had to be altered/modified to work in the peak of the 10/12 ceiling.  They are just a tad low (just a little over 6') but I could not find any 24" fans that I liked or would look half decent. The bases are meant to be mounted on a ceiling box at 45 degree.  But by doing so I could not get to the trim ring screws to finish it off. So I re-drilled then to set with the ridge run.  Anyone considering a ceiling fan to that pitch might consider this or build out the flat portion of the ceiling peak to except the convientioned mounting.  

Here is a picture of the living room light/fan. Note the 6' down rod.  That gets the light closer to the area needed and is not blocked by the beams.

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Another angle showing the fireplace chimney behind.

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Even another angle from the loft area looking down. Don't even say anything about the dust on the top of the beams.  That will get taken care of since the majority of the dust making buisness is finshed on the main floor.

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Here is a couple pictures of the loft fan/lights which are identical for each loft room.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: TexstarJim on November 22, 2009, 09:06:11 AM
I didn't realize you had added more pics or I woulda jumped in here immediately and tell you what a great job you've done red.  Installing ceiling fans at that height, especially without a helper is an all day deal and very tedious work.  You've done well pilgrim......  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on November 22, 2009, 10:05:03 AM
Looking very nice John. When's the housewarming?   :D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 22, 2009, 11:45:05 AM
It's great that you could get those two old log cabins back into another several hundred years service, John. 

I remember what they were when you got started on this project.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 22, 2009, 03:41:32 PM
Glenn it has been a great adventure.  It is not quite finished but the end is alot closer now.

In the beginning

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Don I was hoping by Christmas but that was unrealistic.  I would say by spring for sure. If I wanted to run strickly by genset it wouold be alot closer but I have my mind set on battery bank and inverter.  Might seek a little professional guidance from you and glenn on that one. I will let you know so you can mark it on your calender and plan to attend. ;D

Jim yes it does dress up the interior and provides some realistic function. Although I have noticed in the summer if I leave the doors and windows closed it stays comfortable. But it might help circulate the warm air that escapes to the ceiling in the winter to warm your feet some more.  
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 22, 2009, 05:35:55 PM
I think you will like solar - it's interesting and feels good too. :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: 2zwudz on November 23, 2009, 03:25:17 AM
 Redoverfarmer

 Please forgive me for asking but what color is your steel roofing. I went back thru your post to see if you mention it but I didn't catch it.

Mark
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 23, 2009, 07:17:36 AM
2zwudz (Mark) the color is Burnished Slate.  Some companies also refer to it as Antique Brown.  It is darker than the convientional brown roof. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on November 25, 2009, 07:31:50 AM
Redoverfarm...what you have accomplished is so beautiful. Congratulations and Happy Thanksgiving.
Dog
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 27, 2009, 01:36:58 PM
Finished out the week with the installation of the last ceiling fan.  It was the one in the master bedroom.  I was limited to the size because of the ceiling beams and the 7' headroom.  So this is what I ended up with. It is a 24" dia fan/light combo. I could have gone with a 30" fan but when shopping at Lowes and Home Depot your selection is limited.   I also made the wooden wire chases for the kitchen and bedroom lights and got them installed.

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Earlier this week I installed the medicine cabinet, lights and bathroom towel racks, toilet paper holder.

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Still waiting for the propane company to set my tank.  So hopefully this week he will call and I can put some serious heat into the cabin.  If not I will start on the staircase which will take some time.

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on November 27, 2009, 03:25:14 PM
I've never seen a 24" ceiling fan before.  8)  Fine looking bathroom ensemble too.

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 27, 2009, 04:49:07 PM
Sort of odd looking Don.  With the fan center demensions the blade only measure approximately 8"-10" in length.  But if it moves the air then it has done it's job.  I just hate paying more for a 24" than what I paid for a 42".  Doesn't make sense to me but anyway.  I did find a 30" but it only came in white and wasn't very appealing.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 27, 2009, 05:21:05 PM
It's one of those art things, John.  Nice.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on November 28, 2009, 05:10:27 AM
Good Morning, what size propane heater(s) are you using for the place?  I'm still playing around with the BTU calculations for mine, just curious.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 28, 2009, 07:15:01 AM
CF I posted this on 11/3 after your inquiry but you might have missed it.  If you are going with a ventless some insurance companies will not allow anything larger than a 10,000 in the bedrooms.  ???

What I got was Eskabe.  3-20,000 and 1-10,000.  I am not sure exactly how they will work as I haven't gotten them hooked up to the gas yet. BTW I did finally get all the leaks discovered and it is holding 80# of air pressure.  I called the gas company and they are 5-6 tanks installations behind so it may be a while before mine.

Just in case you miss it again I PM the same info.

John
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 30, 2009, 01:24:21 PM
Another first.  I started a fire in the fireplace this morning.  I built it small and will do the same tomarrow as well to season the liners.  I will progressively increase the size each day.  By the weekend it sould be able to be burnt as the normal fire size.

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Picked up a few pieces of furnishings ( Sportsmans Guide) for the kitchen.  I had priced bar stools and they were priced in the $100 - $150 range.  These were actually a 29" seat and were too high but a few minutes with the saw and they were just right and at a price that was more accommodating @ $52 each.  I realized that I probably would not find a finish that would match so I thought variety is good.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on November 30, 2009, 01:34:50 PM
Starting to look like home.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on November 30, 2009, 01:38:57 PM
Build a ire in that cookstove, put a pizza in the oven, let me know when and I'm coming!    ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on November 30, 2009, 01:40:29 PM
CF I posted this on 11/3 after your inquiry but you might have missed it.  If you are going with a ventless some insurance companies will not allow anything larger than a 10,000 in the bedrooms.  ???

What I got was Eskabe.  3-20,000 and 1-10,000.  


For the curious...

http://www.eskabeusa.com/
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on November 30, 2009, 04:01:17 PM
you ready for the 6 of us to visit yet?  I could help out with some finishing touches to earn our keep.  Looking good.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: speedfunk on November 30, 2009, 04:18:52 PM
looks freakin' awesome!  Good work!!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 30, 2009, 06:38:38 PM
Thanks for the comments

Jens you will have to hold off until I get the water in the cabin and septic unless you can find a tree that hasn't already been used  ;D

Don I have had several fires in the cookstove already.  No pizza but I have warmed up lunch and cooked small things for lunch. I just cooked a large pot of Northern Beans tonight so that will be lunch at the cabin tomarrow.   I am not sure whether I will have enough wood to keep both the fireplace and the cookstove both going at the same time.   ;).  I will try to the pizza though.  Sounds like a winning idea.

I am also not sure about the Eskabe stoves whether that pertains to vented or unvented on the size restrictions. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on December 01, 2009, 04:39:01 PM
Water and septic?  Sounds pretty pampered to me.  We may take a trip up to NH this winter, could just stop on in. ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: poppy on December 01, 2009, 05:28:47 PM
John, I don't remember the dimensions of your fireplace and whether it is Rumford inspired or not.  Too lazy to look it up.

If it has a Rumford shape there are a couple of recommended ways of building a fire and neither uses a grate.

One is to build a TeePee out of the wood directly on the floor.

The other and more interesting to me is the "upside down" method.  Again built on the floor but with the big stuff on the bottom progressing to the tinder on the top.

Both methods are supposed to burn hot with little smoke.

I think the upside down method is related to a design I saw on the web called Rumford Renaisance.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 01, 2009, 06:37:25 PM
Poppy I really didn't measure the firebox but the width on the outside is 34" and the back width is 24".  I have a ash dump in the firebox to the basement hence the grate to make easy cleaning.  So far I am not overly impressed with the masons design. I am getting a little too much smoke toward the face which is attributed to a couple different things.  One being there was no apron dropped below the damper in the front.  Secondly the damper IMO was placed too far to the rear not allowing enough of a smoke shelf.  Thirdly the sloping back making the climb to the damper was not gradual and has a step of about 4-5" to make up around to the damper opening.  I have some ideas for a remedy on a portion of the problems shy of tearing it out which I think will solve the majority of the problem.

1.  Welding a 3"X6" angle to the existing lintel to drop the apron. Tack weld  lath wire to the open portion of the angle(front) and then I will lay another course of stone over it.

2.  Also adding a 8" flat steel plate on the back portion directly under the damper and smoke shelf to eliminate that abrupt angle for the smoke to exit the firebox at the damper opening. I can utilize the firebrick joint to secure one edge of the 24" wide 8" plate and the other can be welded to the damper frame.

Not real happy with the results thusfar but I think I can modify and improve it considerably.  I had experimented by placing a wooden apron of that demension and I greatly reduced the exhaust. The masons of which I will never hire again for this and other reason also tapered from the flue liner to the smoke shelf which should have been a straight wall but there is not much I can do about that now.  I had met a retired mason a couple years ago (old school) and we have gotten to be friends.  He looked at it and said that it was a crappy job.  He said he would have wished I would have known him when I was having it built that he would have done it and done it right. He is the one that had given me the suggestions.  He also said that it is a job but he could fix it by rebuilding.  It's hard to beat an older experienced mason.  The work he has done for me in comparison to what I had done before is 10X better craftsmanship.  

Jens anytime.  
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: poppy on December 02, 2009, 08:04:16 AM
John, I was afraid that there was something wrong with the firebox dimensions (too deep, for one thing), so I'm not surprised there are some problems.

I would strongly suggest that you study up on the Rumford design, but don't get married to his original plan.

There are some modern improvements to the original Rumford configuration and they do not include a smoke shelf.

I don't have time right now to put together the results of my research and report here (have a funeral to go to).

But I promise to followup later with more detailed recommendations.

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 02, 2009, 01:04:52 PM
Well I have taken all that my back and knees will stand for a day.  I started working on the stair stringers this morning.  They are too heavy to be supported by horses so I am working on the floor of the garage/shop.  I did manage to smooth the flat surface which will face the treads.  I used a 3" planer followed by a 3"X21" belt sander.  They are not smooth enough for finish work but it will allow the step layout better.  Once the Mortise is cut I will final sand them before finishing.  I started on the outside surface with a draw knife and I will follow-up with a belt & palm sander.  Ran out of belts so a call to my DW at work who will pick some up on her way home at the hardware store.  I had plenty but they were old.  I had order several in bulk but apparently the glue joint went bad and after about 2 minutes they come apart.  As an experiment I am gluing a couple back together and see what happens. 

Anyway there is always a silver lining.  The installer for the propane tank came by the house today and we went to the cabin to see exactly what was needed for installation.  It is scheduled for next Thursday.  The generator had complicated matter somewhat but he has a plan. I was unaware that the regulators had a breather on them and they expell some gas.  He was concerned about mounting the regulator near the air intake of the generator which is also the location that the gas hook-up is at.  So he will mount the regulator on the other side of the dividing wall and then run a single line to the generator.  He will "T" the line before that regulator and run high pressure to the house and put an additional regulator to it.  Sounds like fun.

Anyway here are the stringers.  They basicly average 15" in width and 8" in thickness at the center.  The finished length will be approximately 13'6".  But to get the steps to evening work out I will have to make a "birds mouth" at the bottom landing.  Given the demensions I have to work with that shouldn't be a problem.

Here is a couple pictures of the stringers.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on December 02, 2009, 03:50:02 PM
I'm sure they'll look beautiful when you're done!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: poppy on December 02, 2009, 04:34:36 PM
John, here is some more fireplace info. relative to Rumford type.

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This is from the renaissancefireplaces.com web site showing some of the differences of conventional fireboxes to a Rumford design.

Your fireplace is likely more like the conventional design.  If your firebox is more than 13 or 14" deep then it's too deep.

It should not be a major problem to reshape your fire box, but making a smoother transition to the flue could pose some challenges.

Reducing the opening by extending the lintel down might help, but then the flue size may be too large.

The ratio of the flue cross-section area to the fireplace opening area should be between 1 to 10 to 1 to 12.

So if your fireplace opening is say, 36"x36" then the flue should be between 130 to 108 sq. in. which is about 13" ID to 12" ID for a round flue or about 12"x12" inside to 10"x10" inside for a square flue.  So for instance if your flue is say 12"x18" then it's probably too large.

If you reduce the fireplace opening say by 4" making it 36"x32" then the flue size requirement becomes even smaller or your current flue is that much more too large.

Confused yet?  If so, you are not alone.  Proper fireplace design was lost 50 to 75 years ago when fireplaces began to be an archtitectural feature rather than a heat source and got larger for proper proportion, not efficient operation.

I have a ton more info. but it is not organized.  You can glean some good info. from these web sites.

rumford.com
hart-pagosa.com,

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on December 02, 2009, 04:34:48 PM
  As an experiment I am gluing a couple back together and see what happens. 


It might work?  ???  Don't try to staple them, though.    ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 02, 2009, 05:16:01 PM
 As an experiment I am gluing a couple back together and see what happens.  


It might work?  ???  Don't try to staple them, though.    ;D ;D ;D

Be like using a metal plate to patch a car tire.   The original bonding material Don was a re-enforced type tape.  The only thing I will be out is a little epoxy and a few minutes time.  We will see tomarrow.  If they don't I have 14 new ones to destroy tomarrow.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 02, 2009, 05:20:49 PM
Poppy  Thanks for the info.  I didn't go to the cabin today but worked at home on the stairs.  I will measure it up and let you know exactly what it is.  It is more conventional in nature.  The masons that I used which are about the only ones left in the county and are young.  They learned from their dad who is a decent mason but he apparently failed to teach them properly on fireboxes and some other things as well.  I am sure in time that I can get something that will work better (insert).  For now the quick alterations will probably suffice.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: poppy on December 03, 2009, 08:04:39 AM
John, a couple more thoughts on the fireplace.

I wouldn't worry about the lack of a smoke shelf; they are over-rated.

The key is a smooth transition from the firebox into the flue.

I would suggest the following test:  stack up some brick to make a new back wall so that the front face of the new wall is even with the back of the damper opening.

So long as the firebox depth is at least 12", you should be OK.  This will shift the grate out towards the front, but that's where you want it.

Also check the width of the damper opening, front to back; it should be no more than 4".  If is greater than 4" then choke down the damper to create 4".

Some of good fireplace design is counter intiutive, like making the firebox less deep, or the flue smaller.  I talked about the 1:10 or 1:12 ratio in a previous post, but I have read where a 1:15 ratio has worked.

You may also want to build new side walls to angle in making the back wall less wide (refer to the illustration in my previous post)

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: poppy on December 03, 2009, 12:28:18 PM
John, I appologize if I am responding too much on this fireplace thing, but I have done a great deal of research and since I'm not building my own fireplace after all, I want someone to get some benefit out of it.

I have a copy of the '06 International Residential Code, chapter 10 on chimneys and fireplaces for one and two family dwellings.  There was a link for it on rumford.com.

I'm no code expert and don't know if this is the latest but here is some info. from that code.

Conventional fireboxes are required to be 20" deep but there is an exception for the Rumford design requiring only 12" of depth provided the opening width is at least 36", so the code doesn't allow a fireplace less wide than 36".  (short-sighted in my opinion)

Damper and throat should be 8" above the fireplace opening.  The requirement for Rumford design on the throat location is 12" which doesn't exactly make sense to me.

The Rumford throat is allowed to be only 1/20 of the fireplace opening area, which is much less area than the typical flue.


Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 03, 2009, 12:35:19 PM
Well I got both stringers dressed down but not without incident.  To start the day off I wanted tio sharpen the drawknife.  Unlike a regular knife there is only one beveled edge and it is usually sharped with a whetstone.  So I placed the knife against a block and while holding it firmly and using the whetstone in the other hand proceeded to sharpen the edge. The knife slipped,  You can guesss what happened.  After I got the bleeding stopped amd got it bandaged up I went about my task.  You don't realize how your fingers work in unison with everything else but when one is injured you soon realize.  To say the least I was working with a handicap most of the day.  I tried to get it bandaged up as soon as possible hoping the skin would graft itself back.  Last year I injured the finger next to it an it has never regained feeling.  This is not the way to test to see if your drawknife is sharp.

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Well here is the stringers after they had been sanded and dressed down.  The only thing left is the layout and mortises.  I will wait another day or so until I get some feeling back in my finger first.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on December 03, 2009, 01:32:29 PM
Ouch!  Those bleed like a stuck pig at times. I've done three 'good' ones on parts o my left hand over the years.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 03, 2009, 04:36:33 PM
Poppy thanks for your research.  With the alterations I will accomplish the majority and see how it goes from there,

Don Yes it did bleed quite well,  The photo was this evening after I cleaned up.  I was more interested in stopping the bleeding when it happened rather than documentation.  Anyway I would have bled all over the camera.    ;D This evening I could not seperate the tip so maybe it will heal. I don't really hate getting hurt it just puts a cramp in my style being able to continue to work.  >:(  Seems like everything I do now bumps the end of my finger.  Ouch.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Don_P on December 03, 2009, 05:14:09 PM
I know you said Ooo-wee! One of my favorite movie lines "That ain't gonna grow back". Hope it does but if not you'll be able to bend notes on the guitar with the best of em.

Those things can be treacherous to sharpen. The best way i've found is I hold it in my hand bevel up, blade away with the other handle locked in my bicep. With the stone in my other hand with fingers carefully up well on the sides I "fiddle bow" it to sharpen it.

To hold logs and timbers I screw plywood scrap to all 4 sides of my horses legs to strengthen and stabilize them. For round bottomed logs I then screw 2- 2x4's between the horses, usually about 5" apart to make "train tracks" that the curve of the log will sit in. I do much better work when it's at a comfortable height and I can get around it to clamp, etc.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: TexstarJim on December 04, 2009, 04:07:32 AM
Little late for me to be sharing this now but they make a glove to wear while fileting fish that prevents cuts.  They can be found in the fishing and game department of your local Wally-world. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: poppy on December 04, 2009, 05:03:02 AM
John, I would surely not like to see an insert in that good looking fireplace, but it's your project.

It's about time for me to sharpen my draw knife, so maybe I can avoid the blood letting.  ;)

BYW, can't wait to see the finished stair case.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: NM_Shooter on December 04, 2009, 08:46:08 AM
Holy cow.

Do you sleep?

That finger will heal up nicely. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 04, 2009, 06:17:46 PM
 Frank actually  I didn't alot last night.  It just throbed.  Today I must have jabbed it several times.  I was even careful in how I did things.  Like I said before you just don't realize how much you use something until it's disabled. It's my right click finger to boot.  ;D Give it a couple more days and it should be OK. Shoot I was going to cut firewood tomarrow.  Maybe tape it up real good and put a glove on.

Poppy The demensions on the firebox is 32H X 34W X 24D  As is there is only about 2" appron on the front to the damper.  With the additional 6" that will make it 8".  I'll let you know how it turns out.  Maybe picture documentation will make it clearer when I get it done or in the process.

Jim I have seen them but never really thought I would cut it sharpening.  Maybe drawing yes but not sharpening. Might have to add this to my XMas list.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: poppy on December 05, 2009, 10:25:32 AM
John
Quote
Poppy The demensions on the firebox is 32H X 34W X 24D  As is there is only about 2" appron on the front to the damper.  With the additional 6" that will make it 8".

Boy, that mason really screwed you over.

You probably don't have much choice than to add the 6" to the front making the opening height 26".  That's not a terrible height.

Based on info. from your previous post, the damper is pretty far back and again the lack of a smoke shelf is not the problem.  The excessive depth of the firebox is the problem.

It would be nice if you could reduce the depth to 14-15" but with the damper location it appears that 18-19" is the best that you can do without sloping the back wall backwards.  Again, I would recommend a new back wall that goes straight up to the damper.  You really won't help yourself very much by adding the 8" plate, since the firebox would still be 24" deep.

Hopefully there is a gradual transition of about 12" high between the damper and the flue lining.

I would assume that the flue lining is rectangular and should not be any bigger than 8.5" x 18" outside dimensions.  If it's square the size should not be any larger than 12" x 12" outside.  If it's as big as 12" x 16" it may be still OK but there would be more chance for soot buildup.

As a side note, there is a reason that wood stoves don't have things like smoke shelves and large flues.  Whether it is a stove or a fireplace, the goal is for complete combustion and little smoke.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 05, 2009, 01:59:33 PM
Well a quick trip to Dogtrot to pick up the generator.  The house lights have been flickering all day on and off.  So I would imagine that the power will fail sometime during the night.  Really wasn't that quick as the usual trip takes about 1/2 hour and with the tractor and plowing in and out it was 2 hours.  There is about 2" more snow than at the house at the cabin. It is about 500 feet more elevation but on the mountain range.  I took a few photo's while I was up and apparently I have a little heat loss on  the roof.  Or just enough to make it slide off the 10/12 roof.  Here is a picture

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Thesa are about 8" steps in the retaining wall and the snow is about level with the steps.

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Anyone in a snow region who is contimplating putting gutters up might take note.  This in only about 8" or so and you can see what it is doing on the eve of the metal roof.  I would imagine with a litttle freezing and some additional snow accumulation and sliding the gutters would be severly damaged or destroyed unless snow birds or some other deflection was installed.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: RainDog on December 05, 2009, 03:45:12 PM

 Been watching your posts for a while. Fantastic place you have there.

 I used to live in them thar hills, on the VA side. Hot Springs, VA. Those photos brought back some cold memories!

 You anywhere near there?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 05, 2009, 04:14:57 PM
RainDog by the way the crow flys I am only about 10-12 miles other way about 23 miles.  I am 18 miles west of Warm Springs which is just 5 miles north of Hot Springs.  Did you work at the Hotel?  On a clear night I can see the airport beacon light from Hot Springs Airport.  Where did you end up at?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 08, 2009, 03:51:40 PM
Well I got pretty steady work for the next couple days on the stairway.  And it couldn't come at a better time with the weather forecast. Last night my friend/contractor stopped by and we laid out the stringers for the stairs.  This morning was spent making a baseplate for my router that would except the 1-5/16" bushing.  My router has a 2" opening and it would not work.  And to Special Order the correct size bushing from Bosch would probably take over a week not to mention the cost plus shipping.  So I did the next best thing.  I removed the 1/4" plastic base and made a plywood base. It is nothing pretty but if it holds up for twelve more I've got it made. Next I made a jig to cut the 2" X 4" X 1-1/2"D mortise that will except the stair tread tenon. Again nothing to brag about but it works.

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Here is one stringer completed with the 12 mortises needed for the stair.  Twelve more to go.  More time consuming just measuring and transfering the jig from hole to hole.

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I don't know whether I had stated previously but the stairs will be open riser and the treads will be 3" X 10" and contain a 2"X4" tenon which will be set into the riser.  I will cut a slight degree releif from the face edge to the tenon.  I will relief the additional 1" on the tenon to the top so that if additional adjustment is needed they can be shimmed from the bottom and will have no visual impact.  I have laid out stringers before but not log stringers.  It definitely was a new and mind bending experience to take the stringers which were different widths, wavy along the edge and attempt to get the stairs centered.  I guess we will find out how I did later.  ;D

Thanks Don_P for your guidance.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on December 08, 2009, 06:15:05 PM
you ought to get those things up off the floor.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 09, 2009, 02:38:53 AM
They are on planks Jens,  Too heavy for one person to lift. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 11, 2009, 01:38:45 PM
Well I finally got the propane tank set and now have gas in the cabin.  I only had one  supply line so I hooked up one of the 20,000 BTU heaters.  Worked great.  I have the remaining 3 heater supply lines ordered and once they are in then heat should not really be a factor.

For those of you that have been watching the stairs construction I managed to get 4 treads cut and dry fitted into the stringers.  They are 3" X 10" X 34"W.  I was surprised that the blanks which originally 10" true had dried ( I thought they already were) and I ended up with anywhere from 9-7/8" to 9-3/4".  Close enough for goverment work.  I used my band saw to cut the tenon and bevel back from the face.  Each step weighs 15#.  Out of curiosity I dry fitted the treads into one section of the stringer and they are just a tad bit snug which is perfect for assembly later.  Here are a few pictures of the process if anyone was interested in how they will appear in a somewhat finished shape.  

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Her is my weapon of choice.  The bandsaw made a difficult step to this particular project easy.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: bayview on December 11, 2009, 02:05:07 PM



   I am in "awe" (admiration) over your abilities . . . Those stairs look pretty stout.

   Sorry about the cut finger!


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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 11, 2009, 04:08:42 PM



   I am in "awe" (admiration) over your abilities . . . Those stairs look pretty stout.

   Sorry about the cut finger!


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Thanks for the comment.  Yes they will be stout so I shouldn't have any problem carring the Baby Grand up stairs ;).  

The finger is healing up nicely.  The missing portion did not graft back and I had to remove it.  It is still pretty tender but given enough time it should be fine.  As the old saying goes " When working with woodworking tools there are only two kinds of craftsman.  One that has been cut and one that will be cut. "  I hope that this is the most serious injury that I can acquire. So far I still have all my digits so I am thankful.  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on December 11, 2009, 06:15:46 PM
Nice stair treads John.   :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 11, 2009, 07:09:01 PM
Nice tenons, John.  That is Whitlock style building.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on December 11, 2009, 07:38:44 PM
Glad you're healing up ok - I've done that a few times cutting veggies - just not so deep...

Your stairs are going to look awesome - wonderful craftmanship as usual!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 14, 2009, 05:53:55 AM
Normally I try not to work on the weekend but the stairs were calling.  ;D I finished cutting out the treads on Saturday.  Really was time consuming working with such larger material.  I was cutting it close on the planks for the steps.  Maybe including the saw kerf I had probably 1/4" of waste.  I was able to get 4 treads out of each plank.  Originally I had figured on 36" steps but upon closer examination of the stairway and the verticle support post for the landing this was not possible and I had to reduce it to 34" which I don't think is a real problem not having the additional 2" width.  So basicly I ended up with one extra plank 3X10X12'.  I am sure that before this project is over I can use it somewhere.  Here is a picture of the finished steps(excluding assembly and finish). Now to find a another man and a boy to help me hoist the stringers up into place so that I can scribe the outside of the stringers to the loft verticle support post and let them into the stringers.  I have cursed the wall tie beams ever since I started on the stairs but I guess they are a blessing now.  I can use a come-a-long to lift the stringers into place.  The biggest obsticle will be carring them into the cabin.  Well I will cross that bridge when I come to it.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Whitlock on December 14, 2009, 09:08:26 PM
Nice stairs John I'm going to build some soon hope you won't mind if I deside to use your idea :-\
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 14, 2009, 09:16:52 PM
Told you he'd like it... :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 15, 2009, 10:13:03 AM
Whitlock I am honered that you would consider using my design but this is probably one that the decendents of Abe probably used and I doubt that I can take credit for.  You have surpassed my abilities long ago with your cabin.  There are a few little tricks to make them work out and if I get a chance I will PM you about those.

Thought I would post early today as it is my Anniversary and I am sure that my DW does not want to share me with CP this evening.  She already says that I live there so I will show her that I actually don't but I do take frequent and extended vacations there.

I sort of thought it would be fun to shoot a little video of the step project.  This particular stage is in the finishing area.  I do know that you should not leave a sharp corner on the face of steps because in time they will cut over the edge and be rough.  So I used the belt sander to champher all the exposing edges.  I also used the belt sander to create or replicate tread wear on the face edge.  So hopefully when they are finished they will appear as if they are a lot older than they actually are. ;)

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 15, 2009, 01:54:07 PM
Wow two post in one day.  Hey I have to catch up with Scott someway.  ;D.  I had to wait until I found a man & a boy to help me with the stair stringers.  I found both (my son).  Just had to wait until he got off the bus.  We managed to load them into the truck and took them to the cabin and rolled them inside.  Now if I can just figure out how to elivate one end to meet the loft landing I will have it made.  I have an idea.  We will see if it works.  Don't laugh when you see my "weapon of choice" moving the stringer around. I priced trucks to make a rolling platform yesterday at Lowes. WOW $$ almost $5 each.    Hey it's winter and she will not need it until spring anyway. ;)

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While I waited for Steven I managed to complete the sanding on the stair treads.  I can start staining and finishing them.  BTW I lucked out being able to post.  The DW called and said she had a board meeting so she will not be home for another couple hours.  "No I haven't been at Country Plans all night" If you don't believe me just ask Glenn.  ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Whitlock on December 15, 2009, 05:23:52 PM
Good idea on the skate board. I have also used the wedge the board under the tool box a time or two.


Love your work,W
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 15, 2009, 06:50:03 PM
Right, John... I can vouch for you... just ask me... :)

John, we use pieces of pipe for rollers for moving around heavy beams in rooms.  Three work well.  Move them to the front as they roll out the back.  Maybe duct tape around them if there is danger of floor damage. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 15, 2009, 06:53:40 PM
BTW, great video John.  Thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 15, 2009, 07:12:08 PM
Whitlock I sent you a novel in a PM.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Whitlock on December 16, 2009, 08:04:03 AM
Whitlock I sent you a novel in a PM.

WOW what a novel it is heh
Thanks It was very easy to understand.
I will print it so when I get to that part I will have it.

Thanks again,W
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Don_P on December 16, 2009, 02:26:51 PM
It wouldn't have done much here but this is another way to move timbers, walking the dog.
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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 16, 2009, 02:45:52 PM
Good idea Don but I was moving them from a roofed area to another roofed area.  If it were outside I would have used my tractor but I couldn't get it in the front door.  ;D.  Really wasn't as tough as I had thought it would be.  That's one good think about a high tailgate on the truck.  The biggest problem was getting them into the front door on an angle with the fireplace.  Ended up just picking one end up and man handling them as Steven keep one end on the skateboard.  Now the fun starts getting them up and scribing them to the loft support post then down to finsih and assemble and back up again.

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Actually you can see the bottoms of the post I was referring to in the picture.  One is flsuh cut while the other is naturally round.  The protrude about 4 feet above the landing.  Trying to figure out if once I get them assembled whether they will slide down to fit or whether they will rotate 90 degrees in between.  

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Here is the flush cut one at the top of the landing

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Here is a picture showing both post at the top of the landing.  There is no way to assemble them where they go because of the post.  Maybe I will have to cut them a little sloppy and then shim and dress one side later to tighten them back up.

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Reminds me of the guy that built the boat in the basement.  ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 16, 2009, 04:44:32 PM
Stuff like that is always fun to figure out.  In some areas I use cardboard templates to scribe then transfer that to the board.  It will not work in all locations though.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 17, 2009, 05:32:20 PM
I can't believe that it took all day to cut in one stringer.  But of course I was working by myself so that just doubles the time.  I used a come-a-long to hoist the stringer into position.   Again a slow process with just 2 inches at a time.  I raised and lowered the stringer 5 times for various cuts I had to made for the bottom beam, birdsmouth, one window trim and one post. 

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Along with the circular saw. hand planner and belt sander I also used one of Glenn's favorite tools.

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Here is the stringer in place.  I still have some fine tune work but for the most part it is finished.  I checked the tread mortises and they are dead level.

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And this is how I left it this evening.  Hopefully I can get back to it on Monday.  I think I will find a chain hoist for the other stringer.  It shouldn't be too bad as I onely have the birdsmouth and one post.

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BTW I left two of the propane heaters on low from Yesterday.  This mornings temperature was 16F outside and it was 55F inside the cabin.  I can only deduct that if that was assisted with a little wood fired heat that I might not have to turn them onto High unless it is extremely cold for a long period of time.


Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 17, 2009, 06:05:40 PM
I could not see trying to get along without it, John.  [chainsaw]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: poppy on December 17, 2009, 06:54:04 PM
Nice work John.  Necessity is the mother of all inventions, they say.

Here's the neat little cable hoist that I found at an auction.  Works easier than a come-a-long.

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I'm still trying to find an affordable 3-pulley block and tackle system for when I raise the timber frame.  May have to be satisfied with the 2-pulley rig I already have.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 20, 2009, 11:56:01 AM
It looks like Dogtrot construction will have to be on hold for a while.  After about 1-1/2" hours attempting to plow the road open I only managed to go 1/4 mile.  With the 24-28" of snow it is just too much snow and to hard on the tractor.  It is not worth the chance of tearing up something or somebody.  I am due a new set of front tires as well so the tractor does not bite well in the snow.  The only way I was able to get as far as I did was plow in stages.  By the time I made several passes it was packed and difficult to get traction.  Oh Well I can at least finish the treads at home and catch up on the "honey doo" list before X-mas.  The only thing I can hope for is a week of warm weather. RIGHT.  But it will come maybe in March or April.  ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: speedfunk on December 20, 2009, 02:19:10 PM
Those will be some really cool stairs! nice
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 20, 2009, 06:39:08 PM
When do you think your road will be passable, John?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 20, 2009, 06:53:34 PM
As Peg would say it just "Depends".  If we would get a warm spell sometime to melt it down without freezing I may be able to get it pushed a little.  If not I lost 2 months the year before last because of the road. I plowed it last year a couple times and only lost 3 days all winter.  I have been thinking that it may be a real PIA but I can drive the tractor up without plowing.  I think so I may just do that if the weather is permitting.  The biggest problem is ice. if it turns to ice then I am doomed til spring.  I could really use some of your west coast sunshine and temps for about a week and a half.  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 20, 2009, 07:07:26 PM
We have had it decent for a bit but maybe an inch of rain coming tomorrow night so that should convert into another foot of snow or maybe more added if it gets to you by the end of the week.  :(
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 23, 2009, 03:57:32 PM
With the forecast of more snow, freezing rain and sleet I decided to try to get to the cabin.  I needed to rough in the other stair stringer so that I could get a measurement on the treads and finish them at home when this bad weather hits.  It takes a little longer but I was sure that the tractor would make it to the top.  It did after a long drive from the house this morning at 18F.  When I got to the cabin it was 31F inside and the ouside was about 29F.  The I realized that when I was working the other day running the chainsaw that I had opened two living room windows to allow the fumes and smoke to leave and forgot to close them.   d*  I closed the windows and fired up two of the heaters on low.  When I left it was 45F.

This is what I found once I got up to the cabin.  The porch is 2' off the ground and I would estimate the pile of snow off the roof to be around 4- 4 & 1/2 ft.  What really amazed me was that in the front when it slid off it shot out in the front some 15 feet from the porch.  The pictures really don't show it completely but you can see it tapering off to the left side. While I was working some more slid off the back and I thought that I had built the cabin beside some Railroad tracks.  What a racket when it slid. 

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This is hanging about 3' from the roof on the back side.

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Here is a picture of the other stringer in place.  

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I managed to locate a chain hoist from a friend.  That really helped raising and lowering the stringer so much better than the cable come-a-long.

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On the way off I decided that I would try plowing the snow.  Actually I got one lane pretty good which is enough for the truck.  I had to drive a mile from the bottom back up and push down grade to get the other side.  Even if it would sleet and freeze I should be OK with chains on all four wheels of the truck.  

I think I will take a break for Christmas and spend quality time with the family.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Whitlock on December 23, 2009, 04:39:16 PM
Is something wrong with your pictures or was it a white out :o


I hate it when it snows I always lose all the stuff I didn't put away heh
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 23, 2009, 05:46:17 PM
Is something wrong with your pictures or was it a white out :o

I went back an looked and they showed up for me.  

I hate it when it snows I always lose all the stuff I didn't put away heh

Yes I know what you mean.  My son used the snow shovel in the last snow and swore he put it against the house.  Guess what it was not there when we got the big snow.  Had to resort to an old metal one that has seen it's better days.  I guess when and if it melts we will find it.


Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 29, 2009, 06:21:36 PM
Before It turned to the Artic Tundra it was warm enough for me to finally get the road plowed to Hightop.  With the exception of a few cloudy turns which didn't receive an ample amount of sunlight the road is in fairly good condition and two lanes wide.  So I chained up the rear wheels of the truck and off I go.  I worked yesterday and today.  Mostly with aligning and fine trimming the stair stringers.  I did manage to get them both stained today. I was a little disappointed in stain on the logs round edges.  There is approximately 1-1/2" of the sap wood on the edges so that is carried through the complete face of the round side.  Not the grain effect I was looking to get.

My draftsman was off a little on the measurements of the stair treads.  d*  So I had to adjust the width of the stairs.  The landing between the two verticle post was 44".  I didn't take into account that the stringers were 8" thick.  So the math tells me that 34" ain't gona get it. So back to the band saw this evening.  I reduced the steps to 30" which will allow some lead way in the installation of the stairs and only require a 1-1/2" shim between the stringer and the verticle post.  That 1-1/2" shim is the thickness of the tenons on the steps.  I hate re-doing something that is already done but it was neccessary to make them go together.  Prime example of something that isn't in a book or manuel.  Trial and error.  

I left one heater on tonight at the cabin so it will not be down right cold in the AM when I go up and put a coat of poly on the stringer.  Then back to house to stain the stairs.  Right now it is 11F and falling.

Sorry no pictures.  But they will come.  
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on December 29, 2009, 06:42:56 PM
Yikes - that is determination!  Stay warm my friend. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: poppy on December 30, 2009, 07:36:49 AM
John, I hear you on the sap wood.  Have you thought about trimming a slice off the upper edge of the stringer to expose more heart wood?  I wouldn't think you would lose that much strength.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 30, 2009, 09:36:15 AM
Poppy

I couldn't remove that much and still have the log look.  If you recall the photograph I posted earlier you can see that it pretty much encompasses the total circumference of the round face.  It is just something that I will have to live with to have the half round stringers.  The flat side of step face is less noticable as this face reviels the heart wood. 


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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Don_P on December 30, 2009, 06:44:23 PM
I was going to comment earlier on how nice the logs looked. Ours tend to grow like weeds for about 25 years and then they hit the bones of the mountain, growth rate drops in half from then on. In a small to medium sized log I would have more sapwood than that. Those had nice moderately slow uniform growth.
This does lead to a question  :). How long does a typical white pine cell live?

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 31, 2009, 03:47:48 AM
I was going to comment earlier on how nice the logs looked. Ours tend to grow like weeds for about 25 years and then they hit the bones of the mountain, growth rate drops in half from then on. In a small to medium sized log I would have more sapwood than that. Those had nice moderately slow uniform growth.
This does lead to a question  :). How long does a typical white pine cell live?



Don  I am sure you probably already have that answer and it would be interesting to know.  I have several on the farm that are above 36" -48" which I should really probably fall and salvage the lumber but I hate to do that to a beautiful tree.  Each year I can notice another one biting the dust.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 31, 2009, 10:10:58 AM
I promised some pictures so the inquiring minds can take in the whole process. I applied two coats of poly to the stringer and the steps in the last couple of days.  One nice thing about doing the tenon steps is that you can finish all four sides at one time unlike convientional treads where you can only finish thee sides and have to wait for the drying time to get the remaining side.  I used saw horses to support the treads and spaced them to accept the tenons only.  That allowed me to rotate the steps 360 degrees to finish all four sides at one time with both the stain and the poly. I will allow the poly to set up this weekend and give the final sanding and re-coat on Monday.  

As you can see the stringers turned out somewhat dark due to the sap wood.  Although they are not quite as dark as pictured they are darker than the hardwood side.  But " It'll be ok buckwheat".

I need to post a picture of the saw horses again that I made.   They are amazingly lightweigth but strong as an ox.  I would imagine that these stringers are close to 500 pounds together.  They are really simple to make and during the winter months when construction is at a halt for alot of the builders I think it would be an welcomed addition to your tool assortment come spring.  Enough rambling here is what they look like.

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I went ahead and modified the post to include the saw horse pictures.  If anyone is interested I have some measurements and diagram that I drew up if I can find it.  Standard 1X4's, 3/8" plywood gussets, drywall screws, glue and door hinges.  One nice thing is when collasped they are only about 2" thick and can easily hang on the wall or can be transported without taking up valuable space.

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HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Don_P on December 31, 2009, 12:49:11 PM
Looking good, those will be a real showpiece.

Count the rings of sapwood, that's the lifespan of that tree's average cells.
The heartwood is dead and backfilled with the by products of the sapwood's metabolic processes.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 31, 2009, 12:59:58 PM
Looking good, those will be a real showpiece.

Count the rings of sapwood, that's the lifespan of that tree's average cells.
The heartwood is dead and backfilled with the by products of the sapwood's metabolic processes.

 ???  I was aware that the rings represented the age of the tree but I don't understand " tree's average cells".
Do you have any idea of the lifespan for a white pine? 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on December 31, 2009, 01:11:24 PM
http://www.cnr.vt.edu/4h/BIGTREE/TreeAge.htm


Pine, White     Pinus strobus     200 yr average     450 max
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Don_P on December 31, 2009, 01:43:10 PM
I was calling the tracheids "average" cells since they are the majority of the wood. They live on average about 12-15 years, the number of rings of sapwood.

The tree has what is termed a moderate lifespan, a couple of hundred years under favorable conditions. I've heard stories that several trees with the king's mark were still found standing in the 50's. The king didn't mark anything under 24"... makes for a good story anyway, no idea if it's true. From that time period, if you've never studied it, look up the pine tree riot. If a tree is in decline and can be utilized it's usually a pretty easy call for me. The borers hit pine pretty quick once it is dying or dead. The sunlight then hits the forest floor and provides opportunity for the next generation. Pine is considered "intolerant" (of shade) so needs plenty of sun to make a good tree. If the tree is a fine example of the species or home to someone I'll usually let it seed or shelter till it falls apart. I've been limbing ours up to about 16' and need to go through now and cull the weaklings. In another area the opening created by some treefalls during Hugo regenerated into a doghair thicket of white pine. I've been going through it selecting the best and trying to space them so that the remaining trees will be good ones.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Fred_47460 on December 31, 2009, 03:00:51 PM
Duuuude, you do nice work !!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 07, 2010, 01:05:14 PM
Well I guess this is where you say " all your hard work has paid off".  Got the stairs assembled and installed today.  No small task but with preseverance and few choice words they went together.  

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The above photograph was a little dark but contained the majority of the length.  Here is another one that is lighter and has my good buddie "Carl" who helped me get them installed.  He is a retired stone mason and has worked hard most of his life but can still outwork me at 73.

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A view of the treads leading up to the loft.

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I still have to stain the lag bolt holes in the side of the stringers, sand and re-coat the outside of the stringer.  But all in all I am quite pleased with the finished product.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on January 07, 2010, 01:51:22 PM
Fan feaking tastic John. I love it!  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on January 07, 2010, 02:32:44 PM
What?  No balustrade?   :)  Niiiiccce.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 07, 2010, 03:37:46 PM
One thing at a time Jens. Besides I haven't gotten the material yet. Hopefully rustic railings as soon as I can afford a tenon cutter or develope something to use in it's place. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: poppy on January 07, 2010, 03:45:18 PM
All your hard work has paid off.  ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on January 07, 2010, 04:44:58 PM
Wow, looks great!  That's one solid staircase!   [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Don_P on January 07, 2010, 04:51:07 PM
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Duuuude, you do nice work !!
 
Couldn't have said it better ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on January 08, 2010, 12:46:19 PM
It pays to be stubborn. You could rent the upstairs to an oliphant and not be concerned about those stairs.  They are quite attractive....and fit the setting very well.   Gold star!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 08, 2010, 03:21:31 PM
Today was sort of like the "morning after". Clean up and it was definitely needing it.  With the chainsaw, planner, sanding, circular saw there was saw dust in places I didn't think to look.  But I had my two little helpers with me. No school again today. It will be rough on them when they do have to go back.  With Christmas vacation and the snow storms they haven't had school since 12/18.   My son basickly plowed the road from the State Route about 1-1/2 miles on his 4-wheeler to rid of us of the 3" of overnight accumulation before it was packed into ice. I don't think the temps went above 19F but he was relentless.  Pretty cosy after I arrived and cranked up the other heater and they (2)remained on High until I was able to raise it to 55F in about 2 hours.  I postponed putting the final coat of poly on the outside of the logs because of all the dust that was hanging in the air.  I did manage to sand the previous coat, stain the wooden dowel plugs and am ready for the final coat probably sometime next week.

Thanks to all the comments on the stairs. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on January 08, 2010, 05:55:13 PM
John that is a very nice staircase, very nice. You're probably proud of them and should be.  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Whitlock on January 08, 2010, 06:28:55 PM
That turned out nice [cool] I hope I can do as well d*
When ever I build something that big and heavy and it is place I allways think I will never have to move that again becuse it will out last me and the kids ;)

One of a kind you should be proud 8)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 10, 2010, 05:21:59 AM
Wow.. cool escalera, John. :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 15, 2010, 01:53:00 PM
It's been a week or so since I posted my progress.  Most of this week was spent at the house working on the additional kitchen cabinet and cabinets for the loft bathroom.  I did occassionally make it to the cabin to pick up some tools that I needed.  The road is in pretty good shape and the higher temperatures have started to melt some off the road.  Today it was 40F outside and 28F inside.  I did however do some small things that didn't require a moderate temperature.

Here is the stand alone cabinet (16") that will go above the bar area.  There will be a shelf for a microwave and wine rack that will join that cabinet to the corner cabinet. Please excuse the mess.  That's another day.  I still have alot to do with making the glass front door for the upper cabinet and drawers and doors for the loft cabinets.  I will have to pick up some more material before then.

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Here is a picture of the carcus of the cabinets that will go under the shelf in the loft bathroom.  They will have two drawers each on the left two sections and a double door on the right section.  These will have to go in before the commode and sink to have clearence to fit in the space.  The second picture is that space.  I am not sure what treatment will go on the shelf top.  My original plan was tile but I am udecided.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 16, 2010, 09:20:58 PM
That's not a mess, John.   I can show you a mess.. [waiting]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Whitlock on January 20, 2010, 11:25:36 AM
Believe him he speaks the truth [scared] [scared] [scared]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 21, 2010, 02:03:52 PM
Don't listen to W.... he has seen the problem... [waiting]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 21, 2010, 02:05:58 PM
If the truth is know maybe even contributed to it. ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 21, 2010, 02:45:49 PM
You are so intuitive, John.  He "helps" quite often... how did you ever suspect that?  [noidea'
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 26, 2010, 01:33:11 PM
It sure is good to get back on the mountain.  Spent the last week or so at the house making the cabinets for the kitchen and bathroom.  The loft 1/2 bath was the worst because I had to make three individual cubes to house the drawers and doors.  The kitchen is just a 16" upper which is connected to the corner unit via a microwave shelf.  The cabinet doors are actually finished.  I need to pick up a set of cabinet hinges for the loft bathroom doors and a piece of glass for the kitchen cabinet.  I would still like to incorporate a wine rack but I am not sure about locating it above the microwave as most of the heat rises in the kitchen and is held to that particular bay by the ceiling beam.  Maybe I will have room to run it up one side of the microwave and reserve the top section as a plate rack.  Something will come to me eventually.

Here is a Before picture of the space I am utilizing for the microwave and cabinet.  I am not a cabinet maker so please overlook any discrepencies.

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Here is the after

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Here are two pictures of the loft/bathroom storage area.  The room is a little tight so I couldn't capture it all on one picture.

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Still haven't decided on a material to use on the deck ( where the rolled Ditra is).  I was looking to tile but I also have some laminate wood flooring I could use.  The problem it is a little light for the room trim.  There is a upcoming builders auction on the 6th maybe I can find something there to my satisfaction.

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on January 28, 2010, 08:36:04 AM
Gorgeous cabin!  We'll have to make a trip out there just to see your place  :)  that is, if I can ever get Glenn to leave the mountain...   [waiting]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 28, 2010, 03:25:00 PM
Thanks Sassy.  Just tell him you are going to the mountain and to close his eyes.  Different mountain but we won't tell him.

Here is the finished cabinet with the doors installed.  Alot of trim work done today but nothing earth shattering.  Will hit it again tomarrow as the forecast is possible 8" of the white stuff in the evening.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 31, 2010, 11:24:43 AM
It was play day today.  No work but I did manage to get the road plowed up to the cabin.  At the house there was about 8" and at least 10+ on the road to the cabin and surrounding.  Before I plowed someone had drove up the road with a full size truck.  The undercarriage drug in the snow.  Brave sole that's all I have to say to drive 6 miles to a dead end road without any inhabitants at the other end.  I never saw the tracks out so I guess we will find them in the Spring Thaw if he doesn't make it out.  It was a little much for the 4-wheeler.  Hindsight I should have taken the tractor. But it was a nice day.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 08, 2010, 06:53:23 PM
The last week has been trimming out the cabin in between snow storms and plowing.  I managed to install the risers on the basement stairs, built a smurf door for the crawlspace under the stairs storage area, access panel in the loft for the loft bathroom plumbing, trimmed out the ends of the loft flooring which was exposted because of it's orientation to the livingroom and trimmed out the drywall/hardwood intersection at the basement stairs.  The trim was simple in design being casing and luan was the loft access, 2X2 framed with insulation and luan skin for the crawlspace door and 2X ripped to 1/4" with a roundover for the T&G flooring ends.

Loft access to plumbing in the 1/2 bath.  If I would ever have to gain acces I would still need to pull the cabinet to have enough room but a few finish nails and drywall screws to gain the room to crawl. ;D

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The "Smurf" (PC verticlely challanged)door with the absence of casing yet to be installed.

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The basement stairs.  The rosin paper is still left until I quite making all the trips up and down for tools.

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The loft flooring trim

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Thejapster on February 10, 2010, 12:48:21 PM
Great job on the stairs!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 13, 2010, 10:39:15 AM
Thanks Thejapster .

Yesterday I plowed the road again with the 3" the day before.  This makes 5 times in 11 days.  This is really getting old.  But with that little bit of aggrevation over with I managed to spend a couple hours installing two crawlspace doors that I had made at the house yesterday. Still some trim work to do when I get to town to pick up some casing , door stop and latches.  Maybe it will cut some of the drafty air entering the basement.  Also had a couple of guest.  Nice people from KY just looking at some of the property in the area that they had found on the net.  

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: kim(WVa) on February 15, 2010, 07:43:05 PM
hi redover..i have really enjoyed  reading your posts  great job on your cabin...hard work really pays off...i know what you mean  about havin so much snow...
work for us is slow,we are just doin little by little,plan on really jumpin in there when weather breaks a little..keep up the good work...kim(WVa)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 16, 2010, 10:19:46 AM
No earth breaking work now.  Just finishing up odds and ends.  Basicly using up some scrap lumber.  I finished the crawlspace doors yesterday.  My son painted them while I trimmed out the closet under the stairs.  The crawlspace doors are just 2X material framing with two layers of 5/8" foam board inset into the frames.  The door skins are some left over soffit plywood and 3/8 plywood for the backs.  Couple 3" door hinges and cheap barrel locks.  But it does seem to keep the cold air out of the basement.

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I laid the Ditra tile underlayment on the loft bathroom shelf/cabinet.  As soon as I make it some place to purchase some inexpensive tile that will be the next phase.  The worse part of the day was cleaning up all the tools with cold water.

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I am so tired of all the snow.  I made up my mind that I wasn't going to plow the road again with yesterdays 4" so I just chained up the truck and went.  The forecast is for snow (exact amount unknown) through next til Sunday the 21st.  Maybe I will just wait until we have a little more and do it all at one time.  It is not suppose to get higher than 30F until the 22nd when the sun is suppose to come back. So I doubt it will turn to ice.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 24, 2010, 01:59:48 PM
Discovered a small problem.  Well maybe small  but I will have to wait until warmer weather to try to remedy it.  That being the vent stack.  Apparently the great amount of snow slidding off the roof has caused the vent pipe to lisp to the eve direction.  When I installed I thought I had braced it with strapping against the rafter.  Maybe in the haste I forgot.  So if you are building in snow region make sure you secure the vent stack to avoid this.  Hopefully it will not necessitate removal of the ceiling T&G and lord knows what else.

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On a lighter side I managed to pick up some tile and installed it on the loft bathroom shelf.  This would have been otherwise unusable space but building the cabinets I now have 4 drawers (6X18)  and a two door which cover a 20"X20" storage area for cleaning supplies.  I used verticle T&G in the back to the ceiling and I have yet to trim the front edge out.  I guess if you were under 6' it could also double as a single bed. d*

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I guess that all the plowing payed off.  There was some brave sole who thought he could continued up the road for the rest of the 4-1/2 miles past my gate.   That was short lived at the end of the straight and I guess he decided that he didn't need to go that way and backed out. With the warmer temperatures (35-45F) in the last couple days we have lost approximately 50% of our ground snow.  The road today was in pretty good shape.  


Unplowed Section (4-1/2 miles)

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Plowed Section ( 1-1/2 miles)

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Bishopknight on February 25, 2010, 09:00:07 AM
Looks great John. Love the cabinets and dark stain.

Good luck with the stack project.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 06, 2010, 05:58:59 PM
John - you probably already know this but in heavy snow country if you can get the vents to the ridge or high point area of the house, much less snow will be able to push against and bend the vent, chimney etc.

Looking great though.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 06, 2010, 07:09:43 PM
Yes you are correct.  It is between 1/3 and 1/2 of the run up the roof.  Actually I only had a limited length of pipe left and it worked out to that location.  In hindsight (20/20  ;)) I should have just waited until I could pick up another stick of pipe.  BTW I looked back on the photo's and it was stapped down about 6" from the elbow before running onto the roof and glued.  I think I can get it back plumb in the spring and fix it. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 08, 2010, 01:03:07 PM
Getting closer and closer to completion on the main floor and loft.  Today I installed the toilet and sink in the loft 1/2 bathroom.  The only remaining portions of the living space left is the modification of the fireplace and running a supply line for the gas heater in the master bathroom which I picked up last week.  Here is a picture of the loft bathroom after the tile was laid and the trim applied.  There is no room in the bathroom for a overview photo.  I would just like to know what urged me to use pedestal sinks.  They are a PIA to install.  At least the ones that I got.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on March 08, 2010, 01:12:34 PM
If it makes you feel better John, all pedestal sinks are a PITA to install not just yours. Nice progress. I'm glad you got the toilet flange problem worked out.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on March 08, 2010, 03:14:19 PM
If it makes you feel better John, all pedestal sinks are a PITA to install not just yours. Nice progress. I'm glad you got the toilet flange problem worked out.
 
I concur.  I have never met one I liked...to install, that is.  Of course, the one in our bathroom was free, found in a garbage pile, so it has at least that one redeeming quality.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 08, 2010, 03:52:56 PM
Scott I really don't see the hype in Pedestal Sinks.  But for my circumstances ( small room) it was probably a good choice.  Maybe a larger room and plumbing coming up from below would be better but out the wall the only thing I eliminated was the cabinet below as the majority of the plumbing can still be seen.  As I stated before the newer pedestals have the complete back missing which would make it easier.  I only had a 2"X4" opening which made it impossible to put a trap in even though it was at the correct heigth.  Then there came the drain stopper rod.  Not. There was not an opening to use.  So learning from the other pedestal I used my 4-1/2" grinder with a wet diamond blade and removed the upper 1/2 of the back of the pedestal.   

Oh yeah the toilet.   [toilet]  I went ahead and picked up a standard wax seal and put it in the warming oven of the cookstove for a while.  Needless to say that worked quite well.  Anyway it's tight and not rocking when you sit on it.  BTW thanks for your guidance.

Well thats another obsticle overcame by ambition.  Now onto something else.

Jens I have never met a piece of salvage that I didn't like.  Sometimes it isn't exactly what I originally wanted but as they say "the price was right".
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 11, 2010, 01:05:36 PM
The last day and a half were spent peeling pine logs for the railings.  I got lucky in that I was able to pick pre-cut white pine which varied in demensions from 4-8" diam and 4-7' long along the highway.  The highway department was cutting their right of ways which is common in this area to make the visibility better and keep them from falling in the road.  There were several hardwood trees cut as well but that would was picked up as soon as it hit the ground for firewood.  The pine which in this area is rather useless for firewood so most likely would just sit on the berm and rot.  I got most of the useful portions and will wait until they continue along the road not that far from the house to get some more they have yet to do.  Hopefully I can talk to them and have them to leave some longer poles for the porch railings rather than cutting them up in smaller lengths. All in all I got 24 poles.   Back breaking work and I think I will just throw my pants in the dump from being covered with pine pitch.

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I made a temporary holding jig to manage them better when peeling.  I just straddle the log and work from one end to the other rotating the log as I go.  

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These are very common in this area.  Even in the snow they still produce.  ??   [hungry]

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: OlJarhead on March 12, 2010, 12:14:15 PM
Nice!

The stuff I've cut is all MUCH smaller but it's for loft railings.  I want some bigger pieces for the posts but not too big.  Maybe not bigger then 3" diameters.  The rails I think I'll make with 1 1/2" diameter pieces (+/-).

Anyway, I have my jeep running like a champ :D  So I'm itching for a trip to the cabin.  The plan is to go next weekend and stay for a week!!!!
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Post by: Redoverfarm on March 12, 2010, 12:38:59 PM
OlJarhead most that I have seen the rails are usually 1/3 larger diameter than the pickets.  Not real sure if you are going with the tenon cutter($$$) or not but at least make the pickets large enough to have a taper before the tenon.  If not it will just be flat against flat and IMO doesn't look as nice.

I will have to wait until they are dry and see what shrinkage I have but most likely will be 5-6" rails and 3-4" pickets.  Not really what I wanted but it will work and the price was nice. ;D  Probably on  the porch I will go with the larger sizes.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 12, 2010, 04:16:16 PM
Spent today trying to correct the botched up fireplace by the masons.  My cousin who is an A rated welder brought his welder to the cabin.  We attached a bevel plate (3/8") in the back for a gradual incline of the smoke rather than the 2-3" offset. Also welded a piece of 6" channel to the linel to form a appron on the face of the firebox opening.  The lathe screen was too light to tack to the channel so I had some #7 rebar which will do fine in securing the mortar.  Next week I will try to lay the stone and make it look as though it has always been there.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 17, 2010, 02:14:44 PM
Pretty light day today.  I picked up some more pine poles for the rustic railing.  Basicly the same amount as last time but they were more of the 7-9' lengths.  Everything left were too big to use as railings or pickets.  Maybe tomarrow or Friday  I will start peeling them as I did the others.

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Here is a finished picture of the fireplace remodel that I had posted the other day.  The grout is still dark from yesterday but should lighten to match the previously done stone work.  I am not 100 % pleased with the results.  Has nothing to do with the actual installation but I only had a limited amout of stone remaining from the previous stone work around the cabin.  And that just happened to be smaller pieces.  Maybe I will get used to it. If not I will tear it out and do it over later.  The soot present is from the welder and should clean off.

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Some time back I had found some old Chestnut fence rails.  I plan on using them to landscape later.  Considering they are probably 80 years old they are in fair shape.  They were used in this area frequently before the use of steel wire for fencing.  These have been exposed to the weather their entire life.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: jdhen on March 17, 2010, 04:38:55 PM
Red- I think the fireplace looks great.  You probably couldn't get any stones much larger in there anyway, don't you think?  I'll bet it will all blend in once the grout lines lighten to match the rest.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on March 17, 2010, 04:42:43 PM
Fireplace looks good to me. Does it work? I wish I had a few of those fence rails. They look really cool.
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Post by: Redoverfarm on March 17, 2010, 05:49:21 PM
Yeah Scott they are in great demand.  Most sell in the big cities for about $20 a rail.  Here is what they normally look like assembled.  Pretty common sight around here on the older farms.  Some actually still hold livestock to this day.

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As far as how it works now I am not certain.  It would have to be an improvement over the way it was before (which I could have actually used).  I was going to give it a few days to cure out and try it maybe the first of the week.  

Thanks jdhen I was just wanting some longer stones to make it from the edge of the opening to the keystone. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on March 17, 2010, 07:11:41 PM
I think the fireplace looks great!  Only you would know that it was different or not exactly what you wanted, but to me, I'd be perfectly happy with it  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 23, 2010, 09:51:13 AM
Yesterday I sealed the beveled plate in the back with fireplace cement.  Not that it really mattered to most but it is one less place that smoke would accumulate and not exit the firebox.  The directions recommended that it be cured for 2 hours.  I didn't want to stay there yesterday for two hours and watch the fireburn.  So today I built a fire and cured the cement.  It was "Red Devil" brand that cures hard up to temperatures of 1,000 degrees.  I was so used to using the putty knife kind that this was a easy installation with a caulking tube.   Here is a picture which shows the cured grout on the stones I laid which lightened to match the rest. BTW the alteration probably improved the performance of the firebox by at least 50%.

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I lost another trusty tool today peeling the logs. I knew it would happend eventiually as there was a crack in the middle.  I kept holding my breath but it finally gave out.  Thank goodness for Peternap who sent me one last year that he had gotten at a yard sell.  Not quite the tool as it was modern built.  It is a "Dunlop" brand but if I can ever get a decent edge on it I will be set for another 20 years or so.  The one that bit the dust only has markings to indicate # 10 which I assume is the blade length.  It is doubtfull that it can be repaired.  Any welding or brazing would probably not hold an edge unless I tempered and then I am not sure.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on March 23, 2010, 12:06:44 PM
I'd mount it on a board and hang it in the cabin somewhere.
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Post by: Redoverfarm on March 23, 2010, 04:41:41 PM
I'd mount it on a board and hang it in the cabin somewhere.

There is a few artifacts or objects that were discovered since I started building.  I think I will make a shadow box some day and display them in that.  All have a history behind them.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 25, 2010, 07:44:51 PM
That one looks like it was well used and earned it's place on the wall. 

I'd weld it up with steel - maybe a gas torch weld with extra carbon in the flame - use some good high carbon steel - old hack saw blade etc,  for filler material - or just gas weld it with no added filler...  it could be an emergency functional artifact.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on April 05, 2010, 11:36:38 AM
you could remove the handles, anneal the metal, weld it, temper it, and put the handles back on.
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Post by: MountainDon on April 05, 2010, 11:53:09 AM
I'm little slow, the fireplace looks very nice, John.

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Post by: Redoverfarm on April 14, 2010, 01:55:37 PM
It has been a few weeks since I seriously did any measurable work on the cabin.  Had other commitments that needed tending to helping my parents doing some repairs on their house on the other side of the state.  They are trying to get some things done to put it on the market to sell and move closer to my location.  Also been spending some time on the net researching in preparation for power and water. Since Grid power is out of the question at $55,000 I had to come up with something else. 

Today I changed the crawlspace vents to automatic rather than manuel.  It should have been that way at the beginning but didn't come into play until I decided to put a wrap-around deck in the back.  I couldn't visualize crawling under a deck to open/close twice a year.  In addition I installed vent wells so that I could raise the grade next to the house to get the water away from the foundation. 

In the picture you will see the rim joist which will get Ice guard, metal flashing, another layer of ice guard (PT lumber) and a rim joist bolted to the house joist for the deck framing.     

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They are back.  A couple weeks early this year and a few less eggs.  Same nest as last year but remodeled for the new tennants.

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Tomarrow I will start laying out the deck for the footings of the block piers.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Solar Burrito on April 16, 2010, 07:47:39 AM


I lost another trusty tool today peeling the logs. I knew it would happend eventiually as there was a crack in the middle.  I kept holding my breath but it finally gave out.  Thank goodness for Peternap who sent me one last year that he had gotten at a yard sell.  Not quite the tool as it was modern built.  It is a "Dunlop" brand but if I can ever get a decent edge on it I will be set for another 20 years or so.  The one that bit the dust only has markings to indicate # 10 which I assume is the blade length.  It is doubtfull that it can be repaired.  Any welding or brazing would probably not hold an edge unless I tempered and then I am not sure.

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Ebay is full of this antique gems at great prices. I bought on just like yours... very old off ebay in great condition for around $35 shipped. There are dozens to choose from. It did take me 3 trys to buy one however since the competition is fierce! I think most people are collecting where as most of us on here would using them! I sure don't see these at my local Home Depot.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: OkieJohn2 on April 17, 2010, 01:13:21 AM
Golly, I think it is too early to type this BUT....I would sure be tempted to attach a spring steel semi circle to the drawknife and wear it at Halloween, like the arrow thru the head thing.  :)

The chestnut fence rails reminded me of what my grandad had behind the big barn, next to the old horse drawn road grader, it was a bunch of tipi style stacks of Osage orange fence posts, a lifetime supply.  Osage orange is also known as
Bois d'arc and was used for hunting bows.  Talk about a tough wood, you know you are going to end up with smashed fingers when stapling on barbed wire. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on April 26, 2010, 04:15:43 PM
John where are you? Anyone seen John lately? He's been MIA for a while.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 26, 2010, 05:01:31 PM
Still kicking Scott.  Rained most of the day today and seeing that I am on the outside again that pretty well puts a damper on things,  Last week I dug 11 footers 24"X24"X18" for deck piers.  Started by hand but with the majority of the ground being "groundhog shale" I quickly changed gears for a more appropriate tool.  I got a Bosch "Brute" jackhammer.  Still work but not like the digging iron which took 2-1/2 hours for the first.  Plan on setting the rebar for the concrete tomorrow weather permitting.  If all goes well (Weather wise) Wednesday I will go pickup the Portland, sand, grave, block and mortar for the block piers and gate post.  I hate picking up sand by the ton in the rain and paying for water in the deal.

I have been doing a lot of research on inverters and well pumps for the cabin.  The jury is still out on that one.  The cabin is basically finished with the exception of the gas range and gas refrigerator.  Still have the septic to install and am waiting for my friend to get a break in his workload.  I guess everything will happen at one time when it does. 

It seems that I has procrastinated the big ticket items until last.  $3,000 septic, $3,500 inverter and batteries, well pump $600-800, Frig $1,400, range $400 and deck about $1,400.

I will post some pics when I do something worthy enough.  Thanks for thinking of me.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on May 01, 2010, 07:07:20 PM
The fireplace is beautiful! I'm always blown away when I see what you're been working on!  :o
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 03, 2010, 05:12:45 AM
This weekend my parents came to visit.  My mother made me a hanging wall quilt for the cabin which she worked on this past winter.  Thought I would share it with you.

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Post by: Redoverfarm on May 06, 2010, 03:25:39 AM
I moved to another phase of Dogtrot.  I had originally planned this later in the summer but with the weather cooperating I thought I would move ahead.  I began last week on the foundation footings for the wrap around deck to the rear and sides of the cabin.  The rough sketch shows little detail only the general layout.  On each side of the "board and batten" room their is 10'X18' and 13'X18' .  There is 12'X39'6" on the ends which will have 45 deg angle on each side to a 12'X16' which is included in the total demension.  Although I say 45 degree it is far from it being that there is different demensions on either side.  I had originally planned on 10'X16' rear platform which will eventually incorporate an outside fireplace.  But decided later that it was really insufficent room and changed it to 12'X16'.   d* d*.  Of course that meant moving the concrete footings for the different demensions. With all said I mixed and poured the 8 pier footings, fireplace footing and two gatepost footings.  

The piers will be concrete block laid to support the floor joist.  I was able to pickup "cull" blocks at the supplier which were about 1/3 of the cost of 1st run blocks @ $.57 ech.  Being that they will be covered in stone the appearence was not critical.  Before you comment on the batter boards I can tell you that it is almost impossible to drive wooden stakes into the ground.  So I used what was available being # 7 rebar with the actual boards wired to them which were set at grade.  There are even batter boards attached to nearby cooperating trees on the high side.  I will just have to double check them before starting and work when the wind is not blowing.  ;D This is on the high side which will be approximately 4' feet above the ground.  Hey it works.  ;)

Here are some photographs of the deck area and rough sketch.  Sorry I wasn't able to scan the sketch and transfer it but this will give you some idea of my plans. You will notice that out of  "er on the side of caution" I cut a dead "rock or chestnut" oak tree some 18" in diameter which was located on the corner of the deck.  

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on May 06, 2010, 08:30:32 AM
That deck's going to be awsome. I like your mom's quilt work.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on May 06, 2010, 08:03:08 PM
I like your mom's quilt, too!  Wow, that will be a nice deck!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 27, 2010, 11:58:33 AM
Back on track the last couple of days.  My friend the block layer got the OK from his doctor to resume his regular activities but in moderation.  So we have been working 1/2 days and got all the piers laid for the rear deck.  The shortest pier was 3 courses and the highest was 5 courses.  I had 4 piers that were somewhat unusual in that they had approximately 40 degree turn working our way around the board and batten room from each side.  Here are a couple of pictures and with the sketch of May 6th post maybe you can get the gist of what I am trying to accomplish.  It is amazing what a good block layer can accomplish.

End (north side)

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East Side

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West Side

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Angle Piers (two per side)

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The piers will be filled solid with concrete.  The fireplace is next on the agenda which will be raised to 5 courses then filled with #57 stone, formed and then a 3" concrete cap will be poured to allow the building of the firebox and hearth.

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 29, 2010, 12:00:25 PM
Beat the rain again today. Yes it did rain which is an everyday occurrence this time of the year but it held off until I was finishing the last pier.   Yesterday I picked up another ton of sand, Portland and hopefully enough blocks to finish.  So I jumped in this morning and filled all the block piers with concrete.  I am sort of glad that his project is drawing to an end.  Portland jumped $3 a bag and Type S mortar jumped $2 a bag from when I first started.  Doesn't sound like much but considering that I have bought dozen upon dozens of bags it soon adds up.

On the lighter side the birds have flown the coop so to speak.  But mother is right on the ball and has laid another 3 eggs in the nest for a second go round. What energy.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 29, 2010, 03:17:42 PM
That's going to be a cool deck, John.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: poppy on May 31, 2010, 07:31:44 AM
Nice deck project there, John.  [cool]

The description of the fireplace base sounds like it's for a massive fireplace.  Allow me to put in a serious plug for the Rumford design.  It will give you a wide angle of radiant heat.

I would think that the Rumford fireplace would be about perfect for an outside setting.  One doesn't really need any thermal mass in that setting.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 05, 2010, 05:29:35 AM
Ready to start laying the fireplace Monday.  The fireplace foundation has been laid, backfilled w/#57 stone, rebar grid with # 7 bar, dry stacked support wall and a concrete cap poured from which the fireplace will be built.  The cap is a stepped pour.  The side closest to the cabin is higher than the firebox. This was done so that the stone tile ( same as the hearth in the cabin) will be laid level with the wooden deck and will abupt the firebrick of the firebox minus 1/4".  The 1/4" is to take into consideration that the slope of the deck runs toward the fireplace and any water hopefully will not run into the firebox.  ???  I did manage to parge the piers because I figured it would be much easier rather than waiting until the deck was built. Oh yeah I filled around the piers and cleaned up some just so I could move around without stumbling. ;D Also took my high-tech batter boards down all except the ones I had attached tothe trees.  ;)

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on June 06, 2010, 07:37:37 AM
Looks like you're making good progress. I need to wrap my piers with stone this summer.  d*
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Post by: Redoverfarm on June 06, 2010, 10:29:25 AM
Looks like you're making good progress. I need to wrap my piers with stone this summer.  d*

Yes finally I am Scott. The pier work with stone is just busy work for me.  I usually will wait until I have the bigger projects stoned and use the scrap and leftovers for the piers.  You can actually use "flat" stone for them allowing the front stone to overhang the sides and cover the cut edges.  Corner stones are really not worth the money in that type of application.  Now if the weather (rain) will just cooperate for a few days.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 29, 2010, 03:00:30 AM
It's been sometime since I have posted a update.  Real hectic last month.  As the saying "I have been busier than a set of jumper cables at a redneck wedding" seems to fit.  I did get the fireplace laid , cap poured and parged.  I have two gate piers to lay up and I should  d* be finished with the block work.  . 

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My best friend that has a cabin past mine was diagnosed with what they think is pancreatic cancer.  So I have been mowing his grass and watching his place.  You might remember a post last year where I showed a picture of his fireplace flue that I parged and stonedfor him. Had to make a trip to the southern part of the state (drove past the mine that had all the minerswere killed at not long go) to pick up about 600 sq ft of cedar siding that he had ordered to cover his shop.

Also had to make a trip to my sisters newly acquired house (again in the southern part of the state) and helped her husband to gut and remodel a 1200 sq ft home, rebuilding a bathroom floor.

Then last week my father 85 years old two weeks ago fell at my sisters and dislocated and fractured his shoulder.

To top everything else off my John Deer riding mower up and quit so I had to take it to the dealer and have the coil replace.  $360  [shocked]  My friend who has laid my block offered me his to use which I gladly accepted because the thought of push moving 2 acres wasn't something that I wanted to do or had the time to do right now. 

So what am I doing now?  Believe it or not I decided it was time to take a break.  I am sitting at the beach at the Outer Banks of NC. Same place as last year.   No actually this was a planned family vacation by my wife.  Don't tell her but I would rather be building back in the mountains. I do have my pressure treated lumber ordered and they will deliver it as soon as I return.  The children have all theirs camps and music workshops out of the way so my son can help now.

Can't wait to get back.

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Post by: MountainDon on July 01, 2010, 10:34:28 AM
Breaks are nice John. Enjoy!

Fireplace looks nice.
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Post by: ScottA on July 08, 2010, 02:36:08 PM
That FP will be a hit in the fall.  :)
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Post by: Redoverfarm on July 09, 2010, 05:04:57 PM
Yes Scott it will be a good place to sit, relax and watch the fall colors change in the fall. 

Started the wrap around deck this week.  Off to a slow start.  The lumber that I had ordered to be delivered 1st thing Wednesday morning didn't arrive until 3PM so not much accomplished.  I did however get the coil stock broke for water protection against the rim joist.  I followed that by adding a layer of ice guard and then bolted the ledger of the deck in place to about 50% of the attachment to the cabin.  I managed to get this much done on Thursday.  No work today.  I had to travel to my sisters again and help her out hanging and finishing drywall.  Hope to get started full speed again on Monday.

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Post by: ben2go on July 09, 2010, 07:59:33 PM
Will you be hanging gutters to help divert water and snow melt?Are gutters even a good idea in high snow fall areas?
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Post by: Redoverfarm on July 10, 2010, 02:24:13 AM
Ben the jury is still out on that one.  There was a lot of people last winter that lost gutters due to the large amount of snow we got.  Even those who had "snow birds" or guards had them ripped off the roof. 
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Post by: poppy on July 12, 2010, 05:59:01 AM
John, I have been following your progress even though I have not weighed in much.  Looking good.  [cool]

I loved the redneck-jumper cable metaphor.  I may use that.  :)
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Post by: Redoverfarm on July 21, 2010, 03:01:16 PM
After a long week I am finally starting to nail some deck boards in place.  Hooray.  Not so fast.  After installing about 120 sq ft my compressor quit.  Still running but will not get above 80PSI which is well short of the needed 90-120 PSI for the nail gun.  While it was running my son noticed a "pop" sound and it sounded a little different.  Shortly afterward he said "Dad I don't have any pressure".  With 700 more Sq Ft I'll try to find one to borrow.  I have a larger Coleman compressor but I am afraid that it draws more amps than I have to where I am drawing it from.  Might have to run it strickly off the generator and not through the house wiring.

Does anyone know what the allowable deck railing height would be.  Not that I am under any code restriction but trying to utilize the most of my 6X6 post I am coming up with a total heigth of 41" including the top cap.  

Surprising enough the rough framing was pretty darn close.  The only part that gave me fits was the 40 deg angle on one side and 47 deg on the other.  Nothing a sawzall and belt sander can't fix. ;)  

I decided late in the project that I would include a ramp. The section is on the side pictured on the July 9th post which will run from the log structure to the point that it changes angles toward the fireplace.  Yes I am fairly healthy now but I know in time that may not be the case and I want to enjoy this cabin "even in my golden years".  So the ramp is 42" wide for a distance of 16' with a rise of 1" per foot with a 42" X 5' landing.

Maybe when I post again I can include some photographs to give you some idea of the layout.
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Post by: ScottA on July 21, 2010, 03:09:34 PM
Hand rails are generaly 30-36" high. But I'm sure this varies by location.
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Post by: Redoverfarm on July 21, 2010, 03:32:51 PM
Somehow Scott 36" was what was sticking in my mind but my son said " Dad that's too low to lean on"  I guess with the added heigth it would prevent someone from wanting to sit on them Huh.  ;D  I did notice that the pickets were 42" in length obiviously they would have to be cut down anyway.
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Post by: Don_P on July 21, 2010, 04:16:49 PM
36" is residential, 42" is commercial height. Remember that the railing is a lever, the taller you make it the stronger it needs to be. It sounds like you're on the money with the ramp specs.

My little compressor gave up the other day after a long round of using the palm nailer on joist hangers. I told the homeowner to let it cool down and try it again later. There is no way his generator is going to pull my 5 horse. I got there the next morning and he wasn't there so I fired up the genny and tried it, it worked and I started the day. He showed up a little while later and said "I bought you a new compressor". I told him it seemed to be working fine and he didn't need to do that. I've become real reluctant over the years to loan tools, I've gotten back so many that were ruined. This is someone I would be happy to loan a tool to.
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Post by: Redoverfarm on July 22, 2010, 04:27:30 PM
Well here is the deck up to date.  My son and I have been humping the last couple of days.  The generator would not run the 5HP compressor.  So a trip a little further up on the mountain revealed that my friend had one (pancake) that he wasn't using.  As of this evening we had all the deck boards installed that we had on hand.  I am the worlds worst when it comes to estimating material.  Ran short of 9 deck boards to finish the main deck.  The handicap ramp was an add-on so I knew it would take more than what I originally bought.  Anyway here are some pictures of the semi-finished deck excluding the handrails.

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Post by: ScottA on July 23, 2010, 04:35:17 AM
Wow! Looks great John.  :) That ramp will make getting firewood easier.  ;)
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Post by: Sassy on July 23, 2010, 08:58:12 AM
Yes, it looks wonderful!  That will make a really nice area to sit out w/family, have barbecues, watch the sunset...  anything new inside the house?  I'm waiting for a room by room picture tour! 
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Post by: Redoverfarm on July 23, 2010, 03:32:18 PM
Sassy  not much to add on the interior.  It is basicly finished with the exception of furnishings which I am slowly acquirring "one piece at a time"  so to speak at estate sales, auctions and the like.  I would give you a tour but the rooms next to doors are filled with tools.  Seems they are like magnets for tool storage staging area until I get the deck finished.  By the time you get to the East Coast it will be cleaned up  ;)

Scott yes the deck and ramp will come in handy for getting wood in.  Wheel borrow right up the ramp and I can take it in the back door.  Even enough room to stack up a coupkle of ricks there as well.  Better than last year when I had it stacked up on the front porch.   ;D

I finished the ramp & deck flooring today.  So it looks as if Monday or the first of the week I will work on two sets of stairs and the railings.  I think after this week I will just enjoy a Gin & Tonic. ;D
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Post by: glenn kangiser on July 24, 2010, 05:44:51 AM
Nice deck, John.  I'll remind Sassy to take her camera when she comes by to check it out. :)
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Post by: Dog on July 27, 2010, 04:30:41 PM
Wow John! Looking good! Bet you're acquiring some really interesting furniture. Can't wait to see the pics.
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Post by: Redoverfarm on July 30, 2010, 03:31:00 AM
DOG I haven't gotten a lot yet only dressers and chest.  It seems that estate auctions have slowed down here lately.  I did purchase about 75 gunny sacks which I may convert them to curtains later.  

Yesterday I finished the deck for the time being.  The only portion remaining is adding two benches to the area adjacent to the fireplace on either side.  I have been looking for plans which will suit the space.  I may have to wait on that portion of the project until I get the stone laid on the fireplace so I can properly place them.  Building them first would probably create a headache in laying the stone.  

After the railings have dried out in a couple of months I plan on routing the edges , sanding and staining them the same color as the siding on the B&B addition.  The floor I will probably wait until the following year to treat.

Here is a few pictures of the finished deck.  

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Post by: ScottA on July 30, 2010, 07:58:56 AM
That really looks sharp.  :D
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Post by: Sassy on July 30, 2010, 08:38:08 AM
Impressive!
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Post by: glenn kangiser on July 30, 2010, 09:35:12 AM
Nice job, John
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Post by: MountainDon on August 01, 2010, 05:17:56 AM
Jeepers, John. You've been busy over the past few weeks. Looking good!

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Post by: ChuckinVa on August 01, 2010, 05:39:44 AM
Looks Great John. Did you use 5/4 deck boards or are those 2 X 6?
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Post by: Redoverfarm on August 01, 2010, 06:23:05 AM
Thanks Mt.Don and Chuck.  The decking is 5/4 mostly because of the cost.  With the price of PT lumber I probably have more in it now than most have in framing a small cottage with white wood.  I have been looking for a bench design (plans) to incorporate in the 60" space on each side of the fireplace. 

But I have some other projects closer to home that i have to focus on for the next week or so. Building 500 ft of farm fence and cutting wood.  I have to hustle in the next month or my helper will be back in school  :(
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 01, 2010, 11:37:02 AM
Very nice work!

I wish I had the funds, time and experience/knowledge to do that kind of brick work!  Let alone the great deck and rail work! 

I'm planning a much simpler deck that will use the same post and pier foundation as the cabin...figure 'keep it simple stupid' applies well for me :P

But this is a some inspiring work!
Thanks
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Post by: Redoverfarm on August 01, 2010, 12:00:50 PM
Very nice work!

I wish I had the funds, time and experience/knowledge to do that kind of brick work!  Let alone the great deck and rail work!  

I'm planning a much simpler deck that will use the same post and pier foundation as the cabin...figure 'keep it simple stupid' applies well for me :P

But this is a some inspiring work!
Thanks

The funds are the biggest obsticle.  As for the rock work it was learned out of neccessity rather than paying a mason some $30 hour.  Really not that hard once you get started.  As for the deck it is no more complicated than a cabin floor and most of the same principles apply with the exception of the deck flooring.  I went with 6X6 for the railings as I didn't want weak railings that someone might get hurt on.  The actualy railings are 2X6 with the standard pickets.  My biggest challange was the varing widths of the two sides to figure the angles to the fireplace but I managed to get it fairly close.  Thanks OLJarhead for the compliment. If you ever want to venture into the rock work let me know I am sure you can do it and I would be more than glad to walk you through it.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 01, 2010, 04:50:25 PM
Very nice work!

I wish I had the funds, time and experience/knowledge to do that kind of brick work!  Let alone the great deck and rail work!  

I'm planning a much simpler deck that will use the same post and pier foundation as the cabin...figure 'keep it simple stupid' applies well for me :P

But this is a some inspiring work!
Thanks

The funds are the biggest obsticle.  As for the rock work it was learned out of neccessity rather than paying a mason some $30 hour.  Really not that hard once you get started.  As for the deck it is no more complicated than a cabin floor and most of the same principles apply with the exception of the deck flooring.  I went with 6X6 for the railings as I didn't want weak railings that someone might get hurt on.  The actualy railings are 2X6 with the standard pickets.  My biggest challange was the varing widths of the two sides to figure the angles to the fireplace but I managed to get it fairly close.  Thanks OLJarhead for the compliment. If you ever want to venture into the rock work let me know I am sure you can do it and I would be more than glad to walk you through it.

I might take you up on that ;)  We have TONS of rock and have thought about making a rock wall someday...might be a good start.

I actually wanted to build a rock hearth for the wood stove out of rocks from our property but decided to take the easy way out and use some old red brick we had laying about -- figure it's flat and should be an easy way to learn -- I hope!
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Post by: Alasdair on August 04, 2010, 04:43:06 PM
Looks good as always! I've really enjoyed catching up on this project - lovely stuff. The deck and stone work look awesome.
Love yer Mom's quilt too!
 :)Al
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Post by: Redoverfarm on August 04, 2010, 06:08:37 PM
Al thanks for the kind words.  As the saying goes 'I can see light at the end of the tunnel".  Love Nova Scotia. Made about 3 trips over the years to include Cape Breton.  If I see one in the future I will definitely look you up.
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Post by: Redoverfarm on August 23, 2010, 12:06:10 PM
Not much going on at Dogtrot the last week or so.  Been helping my sister get into her new/remodeled home which is about 1-1/2 hr drive one way.  Life is not always a straight road and occassionally you come upon curves or intersections.  Since my sister moved away to her husbands new job there is no one living close to our parents. My parents, Dad of 85 years who is failing fast with kidney failure  and my mom of 76 years there current house + 22 acres is too much to take care of.  With my Dads failing health she is left to carry wood, fire the stove, do all the yard work, pick apples and maintain their home.  So she wanted to be near me and my sister and return to the county of her birth which also happens to be where she met my father some 64 years ago who also started his career here as a game warden in 1946. Sort of ironic in a way as this is the location that I retired at after 25 years.  He retired after giving 42 years of his life to the state.  Well anyway they closed on a one level 2600 sq ft all brick home in town (12 miles from me) today.  So to make a long story short the previous owner has 30 days to vacate the premises and then the works begins.  Any work needed at Dogtrot will have to be done before that time expires as I will have to somewhat remodel the new house.

Originally built in 1967 the house has all the original appliances (avacodo green), worn out carpet, a sunken living room which I plan to restructure and bring it up to the floor level of the rest of the house. Remodel the kitchen and cabinets, hardwood & carpet various floors, paint and rebuilt some of the soffit and rake board behind the gutters and get rid of the jungle of shrubs in the front.  Basicly right now I want to concentrate on getting them moved in before bad weather.  Some of the outside work will just have to wait until spring.  Is it possible to move a country family into a city setting.  Shoot right now she has a 12X15 root cellar stuffed with can goods alone.  Wish me luck.

Here is a couple pictures of their new home

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Post by: ChuckinVa on August 23, 2010, 06:12:40 PM
Looks like a solid house. I like the low maintenance brick. Hey those avocado appliances bring big $ as "vintage appliances" :-)
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Post by: Redoverfarm on August 31, 2010, 07:48:26 AM
Last few days was spent on the entry gate post.  I had poured the footers when I had poured the deck footers several weeks ago.  I was waiting for my cousin to weld an extension to the gate bolts to extend them to 20" rather than the basic 12".  Thursday got the post laided up with standard 8" cement blocks doubled and turned 90 degree every other course.  The finished post will be approximately 5' in heigth. Being that the gates will require "fine tuning" after hung I improvised and used 1" PVC as a sleeve.  If I hadn't the filled concrete would not have allowed the bolts to be free so I could make that adjustment.

Yesterday I mixed and poured the cavities with concrete and inserted 1/2" rebar.  I had already pinned the footer with 1/2" rebar before the blocks were laid.

Today I parged all four sides and after a few days of cure time and then I will form the cap and pour it .  I can then lay the stone.  But I have to make a trip to the factory to pick it up which is about 1-1/2 hours away.  I will also get enough to cover the outside fireplace and deck piers. Oh yes I need another ton of sand.  Seems that I go through that stuff pretty fast.  But I guess I have poured and laid a lot of concrete and stone so you could say it is a necessary evil.  ;)  In the mean time I plan on making the deck beches.

Had a slight engineering problem last week.  When I put the metal roof on the cabin and flashed the chimney one of the boys helping me made the flashing a little wider than I would have liked.  So I laid the stone bridging from the block over on top of the flashing.  I guess that the roof metal had expanded and contracted enough to loosen the stone and a couple of stones came tumbling down.   :(  Not a real problem but a PIA to have to work off of a ladder and repair.  I am thinking a piece of lathe wire attached with sheet metal screws should suffice and then lay it again.  It lasted two years before it loosened.
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Post by: Redoverfarm on September 01, 2010, 10:55:41 AM
Here is a picture of the gate post I referred to yesterday.  I didn't have the camera.  The parge coat had cured enough that today I formed the post caps and poured them. Took a little longer because I hand mixed the concrete rather than using the mixer.  Just a pain to clean up.  The mortar pan is so much easier to clean.

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And yes it looks awful tall.  There is about 10" fall from one side of the driveway to the other ( 24' span)which I hadn't noticed.  But now that both post are in and level it is really noticable.  I have drove in an out of that gate for the last 4-1/2 years and never paid attention.  I will just have to build it up to make it look better.
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Post by: glenn kangiser on September 03, 2010, 03:37:16 AM
Looks like you are going to have plenty to keep you busy for a while, John. :)
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Post by: Redoverfarm on September 03, 2010, 12:23:09 PM
Glenn I had plenty before.  ;).  Well today I finished the deck benches temporarly as I have to lay stone on the fireplace.  I just used a couple screws in all the back support so that I could remove them to give me clearence with the stone.  I also removed the forms from the gate post and dressed them down.  Long weekend so it looks as if my day trip for the stone is off until Tuesday because of the holiday. 

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Post by: ScottA on September 04, 2010, 09:49:57 AM
That looks nice John.  :) also thats a serious gate post you built.  8)
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Post by: Redoverfarm on September 11, 2010, 09:40:45 AM
Just to let you know that I haven't "fell asleep at the wheel".  On Tuesday I picked up the slate tile and stone for the outside fireplace.  Spent the last three days from 7AM to 6PM laying it up.  I still have another 1/2 to 3/4 days work to finish where I couldn't reach from the ground and will have to erect a section of scaffolding.  Then I have to grout it all.  I completely wore out one grout bag since I started so that is on the list the next trip to town.  Enjoy the pics.

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Post by: ScottA on September 11, 2010, 09:58:23 AM
Sweet!  [cool]
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Post by: MountainDon on September 12, 2010, 03:26:07 PM
Wow!  John, that is very nice!!

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Post by: OlJarhead on September 16, 2010, 07:09:17 AM
I better not let my wife see this!  d* [cool]

Actually I'm going to show her -- it is awesome!

Damn, now I'll have to learn to do this... :D :D :)
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Post by: Redoverfarm on September 16, 2010, 04:43:45 PM
OJ when ever you are ready for your "crash" course let me know.  I finished the stone work on the fireplace. Only remaining is to grout the tile at the hearth.  In the meantime I moved to the gate post. It was hump day in the rain mind you.  But I got both of them stoned and will see how they are set tomarrow to grout.  Thats after I haul the cows to the livestock yard first thing inthe AM .  It should be a grand entrance.  I mean the gate post not the cows ;D
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Post by: ChuckinVa on September 16, 2010, 04:55:59 PM
Looks great John. I like the keyway in the first course.
Wish we had some of that rain. Had a little in Harrisonburg today but by the time I got back to the house all we had were a few clouds and no precipitation.
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Post by: altaoaks on September 16, 2010, 05:12:13 PM
john, wow.  now that is a really great deck and outdoor fireplace!  it is just beautiful!  we are waiting to see the gate posts.  how much stone work have you done previously?
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Post by: Redoverfarm on September 17, 2010, 02:38:54 AM
Chuck thanks for the comment.  When I picked up another order of stone the owner asked me where I got the "keyway".  I told him I made it from a flat stone in the order.  Apparently they did not make any keyways to match their product.  I had seen some of the work they had done on several fireplaces without the keyway.  Just doesn't look right in an opening without one.   

As for the rain.  Just enough to get you wet while working but not enough to be benifical.  I talked to a farmer not far from me and he said something like .007 of inch.

Altaoaks  I think with this order it puts it up around 1200-1300 sq ft.  Lost track actually.  Doesn't seem like that much then as it was a little at a time.  In answering your question about 12-15 years.  Still have a little to do with the block deck support collums but I will wait and do them last with scrap left over if need be. 
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Post by: Redoverfarm on September 17, 2010, 02:53:38 PM
After a late start today I managed to finish up the gate post.  I will allow 2-3 days set up time before attaching the gate hardware and hanging the gates.  The existing gate post were scrap 6 X 8 PT post and intended to be temporary.  Here is a couople of photographs of the finished post.  Even with farm gates it will be more attractive at the entrance.

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I had some left over mortar so I started on the deck support piers.  I normally do small stuff like this with the days left over mortar but for some reason I must be getting better at estimating material because with the exception of today I haven't had any.  I just have 7 piers to rock and I should  d* be finished with the stone work.  

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Fall is fast approaching.  The leaves can be seen changing daily.  Maybe because it has been so dry this year.  Our peak is Mid October.  Maybe there will be some left by then.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on September 17, 2010, 02:56:24 PM
Looks like an entrance to an estate, not a farm John.   :)   I mean that in a nice way.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 17, 2010, 05:04:51 PM
Yes Don I hope its not too much.  If it is I am just going to live with it.  ;D  Busy day tomarrow.  Going to the builders auction.  Not for the cabin but for my parents recently acquired property.  I also need a new double ext door for a storage building at the house.  I can't believe that I am not buying for the cabin this trip.  Well maybe if something strikes my fancy.  

I am going to try to incorporate a stone sign on one side of the driveway.  There is a company not far from here that sandblast them.  I may even give it a try myself. d*  The biggest difference is that they use sandstone and mine will be whatever I can find on the mountain.    Eventually I will put up antique chestnut rails winged from the post toward the main road.  Here is the company that I was speeking of. 

http://naturalstonesign.com/
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: upa on September 18, 2010, 06:05:50 AM
John, it looks fantastic. Just make sure you seal those horizontal laid slate tiles well and repeat at least every couple of years, they like to delaminate themselves with the freeze thaw cycles, trust me I have been down this road.  ::)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 19, 2010, 02:24:54 AM
Upa thanks for the word of advice.  But these tiles although they appear to be slate are a composite man made product .  They are supppose to be made specifically for exterior application.  I still have the grout to add but it too is a relatively new product as well for the exterior that does not need to be sealed.   I have used the tiles before (interior and semi-exterior) but never on the extreme exterior so I will just have to wait to see what it does.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on September 19, 2010, 11:25:25 AM
I like the pics of your porch posts.  I notice I'm not the only one with pencil drawings on the wood only mine say things like "CENTER">! No REALLY CENTER!<
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 19, 2010, 12:33:31 PM
You must have caught what I missed.  Don't look tooooo close.  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop-New Look
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 22, 2010, 11:52:46 AM
Well I think I may have finished the deck and stone work.  That is with the exception of the chimney repairs.   I got all the deck support piers stoned as well as the railings and benchs stained.  The stain although the same did not turn out on the pressure treated lumber as it did with the siding.  But it is toned down which is what I was after.  I left the floor untouched as it will eventually turn grey and I will sealed it once it has.  Although you cannot tell from the photograph I grouted the tile on the hearth as well.  Now ready to "test fire" it up and see what happens.  Here are a few pictures.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on September 23, 2010, 09:03:10 AM
That deck is not finished young man!You haven't put out the tables,chairs,and porch swing.Oh and don't forget the meal with all the fixins. :)


Looks great.Impressive work.  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 25, 2010, 05:27:55 AM
The stone work looks great John, as we have come to expect from you. :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on September 25, 2010, 03:11:35 PM
The stone work looks great John, as we have come to expect from you. :)

He does set the bar rather high doesn't he ?  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: John Raabe on September 25, 2010, 04:39:57 PM
Yes this is a first cabin deck... Not to mean a builder's first tentative cabin build, but the first cabin on the exclusive cruise ship!

Good thoughtful work!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: diyfrank on September 25, 2010, 04:58:48 PM
Very nice work for sure!  ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 28, 2010, 04:45:05 PM
Thanks everyone for your admirable thoughts.  Haven't hit a lick on the cabin since last Wednesday.  Yeah I need to tie up some loose ends but life threw another curve in the road.  On Wednesday they found a blood clot in my fathers brain.  Fairly good size that necessitated that it be removed.  We have noticed that the last several months his thought process was a little confused.  Not knowing whether it was the early stages of Alzheimers or the need to start Kidney Dialysis.  I made a hasty trip to where he had been admitted and on Friday they surgically removed the clot.  On Saturday I walked into the room and right off the bat I could tell a 100% improvement.  [cool]   His dialysis start has been postponed because he can not have the blood thinners for about 3 more weeks because of the recent surgery.  Now that I am back home the last several days have been spent rushing to get their house renovated.  Does anyone know how to tell a 85 year old that he has bought a house in the last 2-1/2 months for which he doesn't recall.   ???
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on September 28, 2010, 04:59:12 PM
Sorry to hear about your fathers troubles, but on the other hand it appears that things might be improving. Our best to you all.   D&K
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Solar Burrito on September 29, 2010, 07:13:48 AM
great news! Wishing him well.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 06, 2010, 01:05:14 PM
Got the entry to the driveway completed.  Not to say without problems.  Goes along with the saying  " measure twice and cut once".  Hit a very familar tune.  I will post the photos and see if anyone picks up.  I'll return and explain what that was.  I still have got a little tweaking to do to get them parrallel and level.

Roadside view

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Driveway view

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on October 06, 2010, 01:08:29 PM
Wow! I am so jealous.  :P
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on October 06, 2010, 01:19:47 PM
I dunno John?  ???  I'd say from what I can tell I'd be pleased if they were mine.


Well I might want an automatic opener/closer.   ::)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: muldoon on October 06, 2010, 01:56:21 PM
I think the gates look fantastic.  can you come build one at my place next?   d*
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on October 06, 2010, 04:08:58 PM
Nice looking gate.I am planning on using the same style gates on my property.How do you keep the unsupported ends from sagging over time?All of the ones we had on the farm sagged real bad after a couple years.Yours look perfectly straight.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 06, 2010, 05:18:26 PM
Nice looking gate.I am planning on using the same style gates on my property.How do you keep the unsupported ends from sagging over time?All of the ones we had on the farm sagged real bad after a couple years.Yours look perfectly straight.

I would say these will also overtime.  But there are two gate post bolts which can be adjusted later to bring them back into alignment.  The standard gate post bolts are sort of like 6" lag screws to be used in wooden post.  With mine they were gate post bolts which I had to modify by extending them to 20" instead of the standard 12" to travel through the 15 & 5/8" post plus the thickness of the stone veneer. I used a galvanized 3/4" power pole bolt welded to the 12" gate bolt giving me 20".  The only problem was that they had square nuits. To my knowledge they don't make a square nut socket.   OH a solution.  I welded a 1" hexhead galvanized guardrail nut to the ouside of the square head nut so that I could use a 1&1/2" socket later. In essence the actual holding power of the nut is the square nut with the bolt just passing through the 1" nut.  So if they sag later I can readjust the length of the lower bolt out and the upper bolt in to raise the outside end ( end away from the hinged end) up.  I can say that the majority of my gates that had sagged was from not supporting the post properly and the weight of the gate pulled the post rather than the hinge becoming weak.  Depending on whether your gatepost will be the active portion of a fence the gate post by itself will determine the best approach.  In a normal fence/gate there should be a brace post on either side of the actual gate post.  Kids hanging on the gate while it swings or using it as a gate/fence crossing doesn't help either. ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 06, 2010, 05:27:31 PM
I think the gates look fantastic.  can you come build one at my place next?   d*

I thought you drew up a set of plans for an entry gate post once.  [waiting]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 06, 2010, 05:29:58 PM
I dunno John?  ???  I'd say from what I can tell I'd be pleased if they were mine.


Well I might want an automatic opener/closer.   ::)

Well Don it would have to be solar operated. Yes they make them but I am not sure that I have enough sunlight to operate one and I definitely know that I don't have enough $$$ to buy one.   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on October 07, 2010, 08:17:28 AM
Nice looking gate.I am planning on using the same style gates on my property.How do you keep the unsupported ends from sagging over time?All of the ones we had on the farm sagged real bad after a couple years.Yours look perfectly straight.

I would say these will also overtime.  But there are two gate post bolts which can be adjusted later to bring them back into alignment.  The standard gate post bolts are sort of like 6" lag screws to be used in wooden post.  With mine they were gate post bolts which I had to modify by extending them to 20" instead of the standard 12" to travel through the 15 & 5/8" post plus the thickness of the stone veneer. I used a galvanized 3/4" power pole bolt welded to the 12" gate bolt giving me 20".  The only problem was that they had square nuits. To my knowledge they don't make a square nut socket.   OH a solution.  I welded a 1" hexhead galvanized guardrail nut to the ouside of the square head nut so that I could use a 1&1/2" socket later. In essence the actual holding power of the nut is the square nut with the bolt just passing through the 1" nut.  So if they sag later I can readjust the length of the lower bolt out and the upper bolt in to raise the outside end ( end away from the hinged end) up.  I can say that the majority of my gates that had sagged was from not supporting the post properly and the weight of the gate pulled the post rather than the hinge becoming weak.  Depending on whether your gatepost will be the active portion of a fence the gate post by itself will determine the best approach.  In a normal fence/gate there should be a brace post on either side of the actual gate post.  Kids hanging on the gate while it swings or using it as a gate/fence crossing doesn't help either. ;D

That is some good forward thinking on the adjustment set up.You're right about people hanging and climbing the gates.Our posts never moved the gates were bent downward.I never gave the cause much thought until now.Thanks for the idear.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 08, 2010, 09:55:15 AM
I guess that no one picked up on the width of the gates.  Very minimal difference but the left gate although looks similar is 4" shorter than the right.  When I laid off the footers and built the block columns I used the measurement of the gate width which was a combination of 23'10" outside hinge to outside hinge.  I didn't allow for the thickness of the stone face.  d* So in essence I was too narrow by about 3-4".  Moving the gate post was not an option.  Changing the location of the hinges was one option to gain 3" but would not allow any adjusment later.  So I took the left gate to a friend of mine that has a repair shop.  I cut the right side panel ( opposite from hinge side) tubes from top to bottom.  Using his muffler machine I expanded the short cut off tubes 4" to accept the tubes on the remaining portion of the gate.  Slid the expanded tubes over the longer tubes. Squared them up and tack welded them in place.  So in essence the right panel looks like a blacksnake that swallowed a mouse. 

I guess it is now water under the bridge.  Today I cut and split a "topple pile of biscuit wood".  [waiting]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: rick91351 on October 08, 2010, 10:08:58 AM
Great fix.  Gates like that can be so hard to figure for some reason.  Our hole was too big so we added a pipe fitting to the hinge and it looks like it was planned that way for adjustment.  Ours are not like yours at all.  Ours is plan old railroad ties.  And I did have to buy them and I do keep the receipts because Union Pacific as most railroads does have their own deputized police force.  Moving ours would have been a lot simpler but man I hate re-digging holes, come to think about it I hate digging holes in the first place.   [frus]   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 08, 2010, 10:57:17 AM
Firm believer that anything can be fixed except "old age".  I had a city slicker put up a gate to his cabin near mine.  He had dug and set the post too far apart.  A double gate.  I looked at his and told him to just add another 6X6 to the inside and use the 12" gate bolts.  Worked out just fine.  Didn't set the inner two post just lagged them onto the existing ones at a little below ground level. So in essence he ended up having a post that is 11" wide viewing from the front.  Looks better than the standard 6X6 as well.

I often wonder what type of hinge or support some of those massive wooden timber gates have with the large stone piers.  Maybe I will have to stop and take a look at one of those someday. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 24, 2010, 04:44:13 AM
Work at Dogtrot has been miminal to say the least this past month.  I have been concentrating my efforts toward my parents house renovations.  Making good progress in that respect.  I have raised the sunken living room floor, painted almost all the ceilings (12" tiles), managed to remove all the carpeting and baseboards, raised a 14' basebaord heater (wiring work).  With just a few more ceilings to be painted and closets and I will be ready for hardwood flooring.

I did get my firewood supply stacked up and covered at the cabin as well as a supply on the porch.  I got around to repairing the chimney stone that fell from the flashing which I referred to on August 31st.  I went with a little different approach and that was to use "thinset" for adhesion instead of mortar.  I guess only time will tell if it works.  The repair altered the appearance somewhat but not to the point of being unsightly.  The previous stone broke when it slid off the roof and hit the ground.  So different stone was used.  Here is a picture of the before and after.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 24, 2010, 05:23:47 AM
Looks good from here, John.  :)

I also am working out getting wood ready for winter. [ouch]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on October 24, 2010, 06:48:32 AM
.......all I can say is WOW! What attention to detail  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 24, 2010, 12:46:08 PM
Well I put off the inevitable long enough.  I took off a couple hours from my parents home renovation to check out the vent stack at the cabin.  It was worse than I anticipated but not a total disaster.  The amount of snow that we got last year was higher than normal and more than a 2" 45 deg schedule 40 fitting could withstand. The picture is after the majority of the snow had either slid off or melted.  As near as I can tell there was probably close to 36" on the roof at one time.

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The end result was it just busted the fitting.  With the winter drawing closer I just did a temporary repair.  Shortened the vent to the heigth of the roof boot and capped it off.  I added a piece of strapping to hold it tight.  If I would have known I would probably just bought another boot and left it sealed until spring.  It is doubtful that I will get everything operational this fall anyway so the vent is not needed.  It will give me all winter to decide the best course of action come spring. ;D  I basicly know what I have to do but this is not the time of year to start.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: phalynx on November 24, 2010, 03:39:18 PM
You got 36" of snow last year?  wow!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 24, 2010, 04:24:45 PM
Yes and then some.  That was one time within a couple days.  Don't really know how much all total for the season.  About 30 miles & 2000 feet more in elevation they got over 215" .

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: phalynx on November 24, 2010, 04:42:30 PM
 ???  Just wow....
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on November 24, 2010, 06:23:05 PM
Kentucky got hit hard last winter also.We didn't think we were gonna make off the mountain.We were on top of Black Mountain at the KY/VA state line.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 26, 2010, 07:20:34 AM
That's way too much snow for me.  [ouch]

We have had big snow storms in the past but not real bad since we have lived here.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 13, 2010, 06:35:35 AM
While awaiting a shipment of a power inverter and other components for power at the cabin and renovations at my parents house the Dogtrot project is pretty much on hold.  But I did run into something that was quite odd.  

As I had posted ealier I had removed the tall vent stack at the cabin that was damaged from last winters snowfall and replaced it with a shorter pipe and cap.  I had went to the cabin on Saturday to pick up something that I needed at the house.  I had a piece of coil stock ( metal) lying on the loft bathroom commode to keep anything from falling into the commode. Additionally I had a trashbag in the bowl for the same purpose. When I lifted the metal I noticed ice on the underside as well as on the plastic bag.  OH NO my first though was that the roof had developed a leak.  I searched and could find no evidence of a leak.   ???  Is it possible that the ice was from condensation resulting from the air entering the waste line outside ( Septic not completed) rising up through the sewer line and exiting through the toilet.  There is not water in the cabin yet.  The air passes underground and through the basement which is warmer (Near ground temperature) and since I had capped the vent line off the toilet was the only place that the air would escape.  Since it has been down to single digit temperatures here the condensation would freeze.  Does that sound logical?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: HoustonDave on December 26, 2010, 11:10:47 PM
Somebody else will have to verify, but sounds reasonable to me.  If the interior is warm, and the other end of that pipe is open to the outside, then the trash bag acted like a vapor barrier.  Cold air from outside contacting with moisture collecting on the surface of the bag could easily freeze up.  Anyone else want to weigh in?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 28, 2010, 10:22:36 AM
Just a little update on the earlier post concerning the mysterious moisture in the toilet.  I went to the cabin today and inspected the area again.  My assumptions were correct.  I plugged the toilet to prevent the rising air from the sewage line to enter the bowl area.  The rag was frozen tight but there was no moisture or ice in the bowl.  So it seems that by capping the vent stack that the warm air is finding it's way upward which just happened to be through the toilet which was the highest exit in the cabin.  The sink drains were stopped earlier to prevent anything from entering the drain.  

The road was surprisingly in good shape with just a skiff ( +/- 1") and in some places the sun had penetrated to show gravel.  The north west turns are still ice and probably will remain that way until March but with the skiff of snow there is still traction.  But I played it safe and took the 4-wheeler to inspect the road rather than chain up the truck.

Well I broke down and got a set of chains for my tractor as part of my Christmas present to myself.   I am now prepared now to tackle the ice.  Not cheap mind you but well worth the price of $750 when you consider the alternative of the previous years problems.  http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=3613.msg73422#msg73422


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On another note I got my belated Christmas present to myself all the way from Mount Shasta,CA.  

A Magnum MS4448PAE Pure Sine Wave 120/240 inverter, ME-ARC50 remote, BMK battery monitor, MMP175-30D DC Breaker, Magnum MEAGS-N Generator start module, DC & AC lightning arrestor's, WWS Mini-Magnum Power Center.  It is all prewired so the only portion remaining is installation and the battery bank.  The solar controller was ommitted for now but may be added at a subsequent date.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on December 28, 2010, 11:42:35 AM
Serious chains John.   [cool]


Magnum Energy seems to make good inverters too.   :)   They were on my short list.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on December 28, 2010, 01:29:12 PM
I'm so jealous of the nice toys and gifts you have there.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on December 28, 2010, 04:24:19 PM
Merry Christmas to me. Merry Christmas to me. Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas to me ! Sorry John. Couldn't resist!

Those duo's look sweet. I have singles on mine but I have R4's and they are not as deep as your Ag's so they don't disappear in the tread as bad.
CHUCK
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 29, 2010, 03:55:46 AM
Don yes they are some pretty hefty chains.  With Ag tires it doesn't leave you with a lot of options pricewise as in comparison with regular tires.  The standard "ladder" chains would disappear in the treads.  As for the inverter Outback was also considered but seeing that I needed 220/240 volts it seemed like Magnum was the most logical in that I would only need one inverter and not two stacked.

Ben2go I sort of figured that these were bought out of neccessity. The inverter was definitely and the chains I should have bought them years ago. But at least it is not a tie or pairs of socks. ;D

Chuck yes the chains appear that they will get the job done. Only downside is that I don't usually need them at the house with the pavement and am worried about tearing it up.  But after the driveway the cabin road is next and I definitely need them there.  But they are a real pain to take off and on so I will just take it easy and try not to let the tires spin too much.   ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on December 29, 2010, 09:14:49 AM
Since we are talking tire chains.I recently saw a loader with these really tightly spaced chains that looked like they were woven into a diamond pattern.I have never seen any like them before.Is there a special name for them?They didn't look home brewed to me.Everything was to even on them to be home brewed.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 29, 2010, 09:41:34 AM
Since we are talking tire chains.I recently saw a loader with these really tightly spaced chains that looked like they were woven into a diamond pattern.I have never seen any like them before.Is there a special name for them?They didn't look home brewed to me.Everything was to even on them to be home brewed.


I would say they can make them any design you want.  This is where I got mine.  Manufactured in Johnstown,PA.  They have quite an assortment.

http://tirechain.com/


Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on December 29, 2010, 05:11:15 PM
Since we are talking tire chains.I recently saw a loader with these really tightly spaced chains that looked like they were woven into a diamond pattern.I have never seen any like them before.Is there a special name for them?They didn't look home brewed to me.Everything was to even on them to be home brewed.


I would say they can make them any design you want.  This is where I got mine.  Manufactured in Johnstown,PA.  They have quite an assortment.

http://tirechain.com/




Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 07, 2011, 04:06:06 AM
Not exactly on topic with Dogtrot but somewhat related.  Wednesday I finally got the parents moved into their new (new to them) house.  I had went down to their house last week and moved a complete load of material that the movers would not move.  My Dad has been gunsmithing for about 50 years.   So I guess Homeland Security must have been asleep when I came back up the road. ;).  It was without incident or you would have probably read it in the paper or saw it on the news. ;D   Now where in the world are we going to put all that stuff.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 07, 2011, 08:12:43 AM
I like the chains too, John - nice.  Dry pavement will tear up chains too but I'm sure you know that.  At least the tractor is not real high speed.

When do you think you will get the inverter hooked up?  I haven't seen a report on them yet.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 07, 2011, 09:44:51 AM
I usually only use the tractor in deep snow and the 4 wheeler most of the time.  Basicly got the chains for the mountain which is a gravel road, well I say gravel but this time of the year it is mostly ice.  But I am ready either way.

As far as the inverter.  It was sort of put on hold til I can get my parents settled in and maybe a little better weather.  I need to buy my battery bank and thought it would be better to hold off until I could be around to monitor them a little better for a while rather than leaving them alone for a week at a time with the generator auto start.  Oh well it will all come together before too long.  Nice of you to ask.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: duncanshannon on January 07, 2011, 07:46:09 PM
Wow. I've read about half of this post over the last two days. Fascinating and exciting to read. Amazed at the place you have built for yourself! Should be a book or a movie or something.

Thanks for putting so much effort into sharing your project!!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 04, 2011, 10:11:14 AM
No actual work on the cabin persa.  I started refinishing an antique chest for one of the bedrooms that I had purchased at an estate auction. I usually don't like to refinish antiques as it deminishes their value but some just leave you no choice.  I try to find a date on the dresser backs, drawer bottoms or mirror backs.  I found one on this one on the mirror itself.  The mirror was made in December 1908.  So I would imagine the dresser was probably made about the same time period.  It is basicly mahogany veneer and solids with what appears to be maple stained.  I am not quite sure what the final finish was but either it had turned dark over the years or it was a tinted finish to begin with.  Here are a couple pictures of the original finish and after it was stripped.  There is a door missing which I have stripped also which is a "bonnet or hat" shelf I quess you would call it.  

The mirror had some dark streaks which appears to be from someone wiping the back rubbing the reflective coating off. ???.  But using a tried and true refinishing trick I stripped the metal reflective coating off using toilet bowl cleaner.  The result is a piece of clear beveled glass.  Purchased a cheap 1/8" mirror which will be set directly behind the beveled glass in the mirror frame and the results are almost undetectable.  Here are a few pictures of present stage.  I will post one later of the finished product.  A good winter project.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on February 04, 2011, 01:27:00 PM
Ahhhh real furniture.That's a nice piece.Is it stamped 1908?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 04, 2011, 03:49:03 PM
Ahhhh real furniture.That's a nice piece.Is it stamped 1908?

Yes it is made well.  One of the characteristics I looked at before bidding.  All the minor surface defects can be fixed.  Some people would just pass on it because it didn't look pristine or user ready.  For the price and a few hours it will almost be like new for a fraction of what it might be worth. But I have never been know to sell any antiques anyway. I would rather pass them down to my children.  There is just something about furniture of yesteryear in comparison to the modern furniture that attracts me.  There is partial markings on the chest but nothing to date.  The date on the mirror is stamped and appears to be original.  Maybe it will last another 100 years.  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 17, 2011, 07:15:23 AM
Thought I would post a picture of the finished chest that I did the last few days.  Came across some more small pine trees for railings at the cabin.  The State Road was straightening a turn and they had to remove several before cutting the bank back.  So I will take the trailer up this afternoon and grab what I can.  Free for the taking.  I believe I have enough small pickets but I lacked a couple of long rails for the stairs. 

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on February 17, 2011, 09:04:14 AM
Looks beautiful, Red! 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 04, 2011, 12:15:16 PM
Well I was able to break away and go back on the mountain the last couple mornings.  Seem as if Spring is finally on its way.  Little brisk at 20-25F the last three mornings but good working weather.  I posted earlier that I picked up some more Pine poles that the State Road was cutting to make way for a new road.  I got about 16 - 16' which ranges from 2" diameter to 5-6".  I needed some long rail material to go along with the pickets that I got last year.  Now I believe I have enough to do everything that I need to and then some. Furniture ???.  

So the last couple mornings I peeled the poles.  Here is a couple pictures.

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And here is a video of the process.  I sure that it is not as exciting as chasing cows  ;) .  In fact if I had a camera when I was chasing them I would have probably gotten frustrated and threw the camera at them.


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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on March 04, 2011, 12:24:11 PM
A video of chasing cows would not be as informative, John. That can be a most frustrating experience when they don't really want to go where you want them to.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Texas Tornado on March 04, 2011, 01:43:03 PM
Nice video!! ;D [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on March 04, 2011, 05:28:57 PM
Your way looks a lot simpler than what I had to do!  Thanks for sharing.  Most of the logs I did were probably 12in to 18in or more.  Hope I don't have to do anymore  d*
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: astidham on March 04, 2011, 08:49:46 PM
Thanks for sharing.
I wondered how you do that.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 05, 2011, 03:44:48 AM
Yes Sassy I had to do about 10 of those big ones some years ago. Not real sure but I think I would rather do the large diameter ones rather than the small ones if it wasn't for the "heave ho".  Just guessing I would say that I have done about 50+ of the smaller ones which range from 4' to 16'.  Hoping that I will have enough as I have about 82 feet of railings (rails and pickets) to do in various places throughout the cabin. Pretty labor intensive but I think the end results will be worth it.  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 05, 2011, 05:58:32 AM
Nice informational video, John.  I like your stand you made to work on.  Looks like it helps.  :)

I think your draw knife is a bit heavier than the ones I have.  Looks like that may be an advantage.

All of this new information and instruction makes me want to go out and get me some new logs for making railings and other uses and have my wife get started peeling the bark off of them..... [waiting]

....about the cows.... I think the wood may be more fun... at least it doesn't have a tiny brain of its own that has contrary thoughts like cows do.... [ouch]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 05, 2011, 06:06:51 AM
Thanks Glenn.  Yes if you recall I wore out the other one that I had.  Not that I did personally but it was on it's last leg when I acquired it.  I was able to pick up two good ones at an estate auction. In fact the one pictured was new and hardly looks as if it had been used.  It has folding handles which is good to save the edge as well as a safety feature so I don't lose too many fingers.  ;D  Good ones are hard to find.  I am sure they are still made but at a $$$ . These should last me out.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 05, 2011, 06:09:39 AM
I have two of them.   The old one is hanging on one of my girders..... and you are right..... the good one is hard to find.... [waiting]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: bigcountry on March 08, 2011, 04:25:10 AM
Redoverfarm....Your work and craftsmanship is awesome...I have enjoyed reading through your post but I have a question regarding the use of timber. Is pine the best wood to use for supports and railings and other such things? I have no access to pine, but i will be cutting down a lot of maple in 8 to 12 inch diameter range. Possibly a couple black and red oak of the same size.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 08, 2011, 05:39:52 PM
Redoverfarm....Your work and craftsmanship is awesome...I have enjoyed reading through your post but I have a question regarding the use of timber. Is pine the best wood to use for supports and railings and other such things? I have no access to pine, but i will be cutting down a lot of maple in 8 to 12 inch diameter range. Possibly a couple black and red oak of the same size.

I chose Locust for the porch support post being that it is naturally preserved against rot and bugs more so than other species.  For the railings pine is easy to work with and light weight.  Probably most are made of spruce and some cedar but those were not readily available to me.  I guess that you could utilize the species (hardwood) available to you for but it will be heavy for railings and pickets and a little harder to work with.  The railings would be in the neighborhood of 5-6" and the pickets will be 2-3" in diameter.  The porch support post are approximatrely 10-12" diameter.  Thanks for the comment.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 25, 2011, 09:59:24 AM
Although it may appear that the Dogtrot project has been abandoned it has just been hit and miss lately.  Several small projects in between my parents relocation.  Just to let you know that I have not just been idiling by here is what I have done.  Finally made the last trip to my parents house and removed the last remaining possessions which were unloaded into a new 12 X 16 storage building a friend of mine constructed for them.  I would have rathered stick built the building at a considerable savings but time was of the essence.

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I also removed all the overgrown shrubbry from in front of their house which was planted in the mid 60's.  What a difference it made. We used a backhoe to skid the building into place.  While it was there we removed the shrubs.  There was 5  dumptruck loads.


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In between jobs I managed to refinish a small dresser for Dogtrot.  I only now have one remaining to bedrooms to equipt with a dresser.   You can say this one went from "rags to somewhat riches".

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on March 25, 2011, 12:08:04 PM
Gee, that dresser turned out beautiful!  Everything ok at Dogtrot?  You've been busy!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 25, 2011, 05:46:12 PM
Thanks Sassy.  Yes I went up and checked on it that evening after the storm and the large trees around the cabin were still in the upright position. ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Jens on March 30, 2011, 03:48:26 PM
in the "fully upright and locked position"?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 24, 2011, 05:54:18 PM
Recently I haven't been able to devote too much time to Dogtrot.  To start off the recent high water demolished my water gap for the second time. A real struggle on this one as it was about 30" in diameter approximately 25 feet attached to a 7'diameter root ball.  It was more than my 50 HP Duetz could handle.  So I played "Swamp Logger" and managed to seperate the tree from the root.  Here is a picture of a portion of the tree and root ball. There was also about 100 feet of fence to the right of the photograph which had to be rebuilt as well.  That was about 4 days labor that I hadn't planned on but with cattles sales nearing it was vital that it get repaired.

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I did however remove the firewood that was stacked on the porch anticipating to have been used during the winter months in the stove and fireplace. With everything else going on I did't hardly hit a lick on the mountain for working at my parents house.  I did wise up some and palletized the wood, shrink wrapped and moved it off which will make restocking the porch this fall a breeze by just putting the pallets on the porch.  I think I will put all my wood on pallets for the cabin rather than moving it piece by piece in a wheel borrow.

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Well my house guest arrived about the same time as last year only they relocated in stead of "two doors down" it was "two post down".  That makes me believe that the parents of last years hatch didn't survive and the new nest is the off spring of last year.  This is about the 5th or 6th year on the porch for the bird family. Anyway here are the house guest.

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As if I didn't have enough to do a large oak behind my parents decided it was tired of standing for 80-100 years and decided to lay down.  The base or trunk is about 3' in diameter.  To add insult to injury my saw decided that it needed a rest as well partly through cleaning the mess up. Parts are on order.

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Well back on the farm.  My son and daughter lost one of their show pigs the other night.  About 70# which was pictured in another post.  I am not quite sure what caused it's death but I sent it off to a med student locally who has been preforming autopsy's for farmers.  Hopefully I should get the results soon to determine if the other pigs are at risk or whether this was just a fluke of nature.  At any rate my son and daughter lost the $150 investment.  But as I told them that raising livestock is a gamble hopefully one that doesn't occur too often.

On a happier note. My son's 4H Forestry team took 1st place in the state competetion and the 5 team members took 2nd -5th individually.  Now onto the Nationals.  

Hopefully things will get to normal and I can finish the cabin this summer for some much needed R&R this fall.

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: OlJarhead on May 25, 2011, 05:42:35 AM
Thanks for the update :)

I wish I was at the stage you are but I know I'll get there someday.

Sounds like you've been VERY busy but then aren't you always?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 25, 2011, 02:20:19 PM
Erik just keep chipping away and before long you will be there hopefully sooner than me. I started mine in May 2006 and there were times that I didn't think I would make it this far.  Recently it seems that for each step forward I fall two steps back.  Not with Dogtrot but on the farm and at my parents.  Time consuming projects which just eat away at my time that I would normally be working on the cabin.  I miss my right hand man (Son) being in school.  I thought I would get back into the swing of things when school was out but it looks as if he might have found a full time job this summer.  At least the pay will probably be better than working for dad. ;) But these projects just seem more important now.  So if the lord's willing and the creek dont rise I will manage to be in by fall to enjoy the leaves turning and the first snowfall.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on May 26, 2011, 03:33:25 PM
Cool idea putting the wood on a pallet. If I had a forklift handy I might do the same thing.  :) Looks like you had a big mess to clean up John. Take it easy and stay safe.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on May 27, 2011, 02:39:04 PM
That oak was bigger than I remember you talking about. Was all of it rotten or was there some firewood left? I guess you guys are headed to Vandelia this weekend? I need a set of forks for my little tractor like yours. Only smaller.  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 27, 2011, 04:40:17 PM
That oak was bigger than I remember you talking about. Was all of it rotten or was there some firewood left? I guess you guys are headed to Vandelia this weekend? I need a set of forks for my little tractor like yours. Only smaller.  ;D

The tree in the water gap was pine and the oak was at my parents.  The pine I donated to the US Goverment.  ;)   I finally got my saw back from the shop on Wednesday to the tune of $100 for a clutch, sprocket/drum.  So Thursday I jumped on the oak.  The main trunk was half rotten up to the first limb (10') and then fairly solid.  It will only be good for firewood.  I finally got it cut up and only have to split/haul.  I need a bigger bar. 20" wouldn't cut completely from either side.  I managed to finally cut the larger blocks.  Haven't had a chance to cut into the pine to see what it is like.  I will let you know.  Just guessing the sawable length is about 30-35'.

Yes we head to the Capitol in the AM.  First music set is at 12 noon and second at 2:30.  I think Steven is stoked to play with the big boys but who knows what a 16 year old boy thinks of besides girls.  ;D

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Whitlock on May 29, 2011, 10:51:51 AM
I scrolled back a few pages to get up to date on Dogtrot looks like you have been busy with other things besides Dogtrot. You sure did a nice job on that place.
As for around here.
This has been the longest,coldest,wetest winter that I can remember.
It has made a lot of extra work for us all but things are still geting done.


  Time to put more wood in the stove.


Take care,W
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 30, 2011, 04:06:56 AM
Yes Whit I have been busy as a one arm paper hanger.  Hopefully once this rush slows down I can get back on Dogtrot.  My Well driller dropped off my well pump yesterday.  Had some trouble locating the particular one that I wanted. Grundfos quit making the particular one that I wanted (1/2 HP) and I had to settle for a 3/4 HP 230V instead.  Of course with anything new and improved $$$.  But it still has the same slow start feature as the original.

Yes it has been an odd winter (Where did spring go).  Rained here for the majority of the last two weeks.  The fields are soaked to the point that no one can get into them to spread fertilyzer or mow hay.  They are predicting hot clear weather for the next 4-5 days so maybe that will dry things up.

I guess you have moved into your place.  The last I heard you were in a rush to meet a deadline.

Well off to split wood. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Whitlock on May 31, 2011, 04:05:51 PM
Haven't moved yet John got a lease until next June.
I have been busy on the place.
But I just ran out of cash so until I get more it will be on hold.


Talk soon,W
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 08, 2011, 03:07:46 PM
Well I guess it is the season.  I had went to my friends cabin on top of the mountain to remove a battery from his generator that had frozen during the winter.  This is what I found on his front stoop as I went to the front door.  I am sure glad that I saw it first.  Can you imagine walking out your front door to this in the early morning hours.  Apparently it wasn't socialable and slithered off.

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A quick check on Dogtrot on the way off the mountain and everything looked the same as I had left it with the exception of the feebies which had flown the coop.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on June 08, 2011, 03:59:00 PM
Something to play with.Grab him by his head and shake his tail.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: duncanshannon on June 09, 2011, 04:16:54 PM
Apparently it wasn't socialable and slithered off.

YUK!! [shocked] :( [toilet]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 11, 2011, 10:04:36 AM
Well I gave him a fighting chance but he refused to give up.  I returned to my friends cabin to work on his generator again this morning.  The snake was there again to meet me at the front door.  No mercy this time as it was apparent he was not leaving.  Come to find out that another neighbor had just killed a yellow ratler so I would imagine it was the mate.  Maybe my son can make a belt out of this one.  He might have to fight his sister for it though.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: muldoon on June 11, 2011, 10:34:57 AM
Too bad he was stubborn. 

Anyway, if you take a rattlersnake like that, skin him, and cut him into 2-3" pieces, they skewer nicely.  I like a butter and rosemary with seasalt and fresh coarse black pepper treatment.   over red/white mesquite or oak or pecan coals.  takes about 10 minutes a side at 400ish. 

I think they are delicious. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Texas Tornado on June 11, 2011, 11:34:42 AM
Too bad he was stubborn. 

Anyway, if you take a rattlersnake like that, skin him, and cut him into 2-3" pieces, they skewer nicely.  I like a butter and rosemary with seasalt and fresh coarse black pepper treatment.   over red/white mesquite or oak or pecan coals.  takes about 10 minutes a side at 400ish. 

I think they are delicious. 

Can we say internal parasites  :o
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on June 12, 2011, 07:56:03 AM
We have been having snake issues around here this year.We rarely see one and so far I have run over 7 or 8 within a few minutes of my house.Scary thing is they were around neighbor hoods with children.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 12, 2011, 08:44:12 AM
We have been having snake issues around here this year.We rarely see one and so far I have run over 7 or 8 within a few minutes of my house.Scary thing is they were around neighbor hoods with children.

Yep plenty of black snakes lying on the road.  Maybe going for water as this week has been dry.  The ratler was using the concrete to warm up I guess as the nights on the mountain top are a lot cooler than in the valley. The owner is coming up this coming weekend and probably bringing the grandkids so I figure it was time.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: PEG688 on June 12, 2011, 09:16:17 AM




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 I wonder whats been using that dryer vent without the flappers on it for a entrance to the place??   :o
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on June 12, 2011, 03:35:03 PM
I wondered what you had been up too. Now I know, rattle snake rustling ! :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 13, 2011, 02:24:13 AM
Yes Peg you are correct.  It is a dryer vent.  The louvers had fell out at some point.  They have been replaced.  But that was just a minor fix in comparison to the gas refrigerator that quit working at some point since last winter as well as the water pump.  The contents were [yuk].  Well all of that is cleaned up now. Am waiting for a battery for the generator which is on order and hopefully it will arrive before the owner does.  If not I will be making a trip every 10 hours to refill and start or come up with a replacement battery to temporarily to use since the owner is in failing health conditions and it is doubtful that he will be able to start it. As you can see the winters are a little brutal there with the snow taking down the gutters.  Well that is another day.  ;D  

On an added note.  The owner is off grid and has set up some batteries & inverter to assist in his power.  I had no idea how this or the water was set up.  So I was pretty much working in the dark  ???.  The water was drained last fall.  I believe that anyone who has a seasonal dwelling should write down and post the directions on how things are set up or function.  Who knows when you may be unable to actually to do what is necessary to open a place back up after it has been dormant for a period of time.   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Don_P on June 13, 2011, 03:40:23 PM
Good point on instruction for others... and yourself. I open up for several of our summer folk and went up to the top of the hill last week to get a friends house and spring ready. It's within strong hollering distance but takes about 20 minutes each way. I took the saw and weedwhacker and cleared the winter's damage down to the spring by the old civil war veteran's jenny lind. The line silts in every year and a quick shot from below with a tank of air gets her going again. Darn if I didn't forget the air tank for the second year in a row  d*. Then you have to hold your mouth just right while manually pressing the pressure switch to get the pump to cycle and get the water back up to the tank, after that it's good for the summer. If someone goes in there cold they'd drive themselves buggy for a few hours. I need to write up a set of directions, keep one in the computer here and paste a set to the inside of a cabinet door. Then there's the folks with the radiant system that looks like the engine room in a nuclear sub  :D. They've all forgotten how their various systems work and I imagine it'll be sooner than I want when I've forgotten too.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Pine Cone on June 13, 2011, 05:57:02 PM
It might rain a bit here in Western Washington but it's the first place I have lived (not counting NZ) that has no rattlesnakes!

Glad you took care of the snake without any real problem.  I'd rather not have to kill them, but if they won't get out of your way you don't have much choice.  Should make a nice belts or hat bands... but for Steven wouldn't a banjo strap be more appropriate?

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 14, 2011, 01:10:14 AM
Never thought of that   [cool].  I will mention it to him but I am afraid that it may lack the length needed.  From what I am told they will shrink some after tanning.   Good idea PC.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: pmichelsen on June 14, 2011, 08:00:24 AM
I believe that anyone who has a seasonal dwelling should write down and post the directions on how things are set up or function.  Who knows when you may be unable to actually to do what is necessary to open a place back up after it has been dormant for a period of time.   

This is a good call, the electrician in our group did a good job of drawing schematics for everything, laminating them, and storing them with the equipment (water pumps, electric gate, etc) but we are lacking start up procedures. And a few weeks back when I had to rebuild the water system it took me a minute to remember the correct start up procedure. I can't imagine what one of the others that weren’t familiar with the system at all would have done.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 06, 2011, 05:43:55 PM
Hooray!!!   I now have my well pump installed.  A temporary electrical connection yielded 6-1/2 GPM from a 5 GPM pump @ 207 feet.  My installer ( friend ) was also impressed by the little 7-1/2 # Grundfos 3" diam, 3/4HP  pump .  He has installed hundreds of both residential and commercial pumps and was excited to get it installed and see just how efficient it was.  The total cost of the pump, pipe , wire and other components came in around $1K.  Installation was the biggie at one six pack of Coors Light. ;D

Although I am probably a month or two away from becoming habitable we decided to rush things a bit last Saturday.  We lit a fire in the outside fireplace, roasted hot dogs and was entertained by Steven on his Banjo accompanied by a couple other musician friends. A good evening under the stars a sippin.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on July 06, 2011, 07:55:41 PM
 [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on July 07, 2011, 12:17:27 PM
Sounds like a blast.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 14, 2011, 01:18:30 PM
I guess there is something factual about the saying " hindsight is 20/20".  Seems I get reminded of this every now and then.  I plumbed the well pump into the pressure tank and house plumbing.  Now test for leaks.  Yeah a few but mostly in the crawlspace where I forgot to glue a elbow and of course it blew off.  No problem with this one.  A major one required taking part of the ceiling down in the masterbath (2X6 T&G).  Thank goodness I anticipated something similar and constructed an access panel.  But that only gave me partial access to an elbow in a wall in the loft (drywall). Solution I just moved the toilet supply to penetrate the T&G floor a short distance from it's original location.  So a word to the wise is to double check all fittings before closing in.  Better yet don't close in until you either pressure test with water or air. Water was not an option and air was a hindsight. d*

Speeking of plumbing if anyone is using CPVC the manufacturer has changed it's rating for hose bib connection ( sink or toilets hook ups) that the fittings should not be used with hot water. ???  I always new (or was told) not to use PVC for hot but CPVC was an alternative for hot.  Seems they are referring to the fitting and the hot disolving the fittings. 

There is light at the end of the tunnel and a ray of sunshine lingered my way today.  Last year I met a gentleman that stopped at the cabin while he was letting his squirrel dog get in some training.  Well he stopped today and conversation went to wiring up my generator, inverter , batteries and other components to get my power going.  His reply was that it shouldn't a problem.  He said that he has a degree in Electrical Engineering and worked until he had an accident and lost his leg.  He now sells insurance.  It didn't take long to realize he wasn't blowing smoke.  Best part is that he offered to help me.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on July 14, 2011, 03:21:32 PM
Sorry to hear about the plumbing issue.I have a house trailer that has sat for almost 10 years.When I remod it,I am planning to use all PEX.Hoping to use a solar collector and hot water heater for the trailer, or an energy efficent tankless whole hose unit.It's good that you had a second pair of eyes fall into your lap,so to speak.LOL You'll be glad you have your friend when wiring in the power.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on July 17, 2011, 03:30:19 AM
Glad to hear you got the water on, sorry to hear about the leaks. For future reference you can test with air if no water is available. Sounds like you're getting close. Good luck.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 20, 2011, 06:36:40 AM
Nothing like changing the horses in the middle of the stream.  I have decided after talking to my electrician that the 12KW generator is not needed at the cabin.  I have decided to down size to a 8KW since the only function will be to run the lights and occassionally the well pump.  It should be a considerable savings in propane.  So this is what I am getting.  The 12KW I will move to the house as there is aneed for it during outages.  The savings I made on the original purchase of the 12KW will pay for the other generator and I will be killing two birds with one stone so to speak.

http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Generac-Guardian-5882-Standby-Generator/p4792.html

I did run into a little snag with the well pump though.  Not sure if I can work it out or whether it is just the nature of the beast.  The pump is a slow start model.  Although it is friendly with the anticipated battery bank (48 volts) there is a significant drop in water pressure from when the pressure switch engages the pump.  I guess that is due to the slow start feature.   ??? 

On the up side. Finally got the hay fields mowed at the house.  Now I can afford to get the gas refrigerator I have ordered.   ;D

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 28, 2011, 03:01:24 PM
Moving right along.  Well after a two day delay finding a busted and clogged sewer line at my parents.  40 degree slope through the woods.  Why would anyone use Schedule 20 pipe for sewer is beyond me.

Anyway I got the Dometic (Servell) refrigerator installed.  Surprising it only took approximately 5 hours to get cold enough in the freezer to start making ice.  I am undecided about whether to build a platform to raise it up off the floor.  It is only 64" tall and reaching the bottom shelves is a chore.  But the wife loves the lower freezer that she can actually see what is what.

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Also got the hot water heater installed in the basement.  It is a 40 gallon propane. I am not real satisified with the 6X3 reducer for the exhaust.  The clay thimble is 6-1/2" and the reducer is 6".  So I had to by a round 1/2" gasket material to make up the difference.   

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: rick91351 on July 28, 2011, 03:25:01 PM
John will they let you use propane in the basement?  I have been informed this is a no no.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on July 28, 2011, 03:46:51 PM
 Surprising it only took approximately 5 hours to get cold enough in the freezer to start making ice.  

Note: any absorption refrigerator like the Dometic/Servel get good and cold fater when fired up and then loaded with a reasonable amount of cold stuff in the fridge box and some frozen stuff in the freezer box. When we fire up ours for the season a bring two coolers full, one for the fridge and one for the freezer, along with bottles of ice.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Alasdair on July 28, 2011, 03:56:52 PM
John, I have the same model of well pump and had the same "problem" with the pressure drop on start up - I never got around to snagging it  and I so rarely notice it these days I'm not even sure if it still does it!
Al
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 28, 2011, 04:30:59 PM
rick there are no codes here and I am not going to ask anyone.  ;)

Alasdair I might have found a possible solution or at least part.  I called my well driller and he made a couple of suggestions.  1. being to lower the pressure tank pressure 2-3 PSI than what is called for.  2 tighten down the high pressure lug (middle taller one) some.  This will increase the high cut off.  Seems to have worked some but I haven't ran it enough to see on the long haul. I can see that showers would be the only real problem.

Don I never had one so I called Dometic and they said to expect 24 hour period for the first start.  I actually raised the thermostat some today as I did'nt have anything that needed to be that cold.

On a related note.  Several people that I know have gas refrigerators and they state not to turn them off. Leave them run.  But the manuel states to shut them off if they are not needed for 2+ weeks.   ???
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on July 28, 2011, 04:38:47 PM
We generally run ours from spring through to late fall. Then shut off the gas and clean the interior. I have two small magnetic blocks I use to keep the two doors open a tad. I feel better having air circulation. Remove the bulb from the light so the batteries don't run down. In spring it is an easy fire up.

I don't understand the advise to never turn it off. It makes complete sense to me to shut it down when it is not going to be used to keep food cold/frozen. Probably some "old wives tale". No offense to any mature wives. 

These refrigerators are the same as every refrigerator in RV's as far as basic principles of operation. There are how many RV's parked for how long with the refrigerators off? There is no plague of problems stemming from that. (RV fridges are frequently damaged when parked at too great a tilt with the fridge operating.)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: bayview on July 29, 2011, 02:07:44 AM


   Please, get that hanging electric wire into the box and the box cover on . . .     ;D

//
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 29, 2011, 02:39:50 AM
Bayview  that is the temporary power drop from the generator feeding the panel box.  I say temporary but it has been there for two years.  Trying to get the permanent service ( battery bank, generator, inverter) once I can afford all of the components.  I don't want to rush things and have nothing to do later on. ;) Thanks for your concern.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: rick91351 on July 29, 2011, 04:00:47 AM
John I understand perfectly, there is temporary.  But then there is temporary that is more like longer temporary.  (You know sort of like temporarily temporary.) ;)     
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 29, 2011, 08:30:12 AM
You've got it. ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on July 29, 2011, 11:27:27 AM
Bayview  that is the temporary power drop from the generator feeding the panel box.  I say temporary but it has been there for two years.  Trying to get the permanent service ( battery bank, generator, inverter) once I can afford all of the components.  I don't want to rush things and have nothing to do later on. ;) Thanks for your concern.

I'll let Mrs Redover know you have nothing to do later on. I am pretty confident she can find something. Wait, don't you have an apartment over the garage that needs finished?.... ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 29, 2011, 04:23:13 PM
Don't remind me Chuck.  Actually I should have finished it before I started the cabin but that would not have been as much fun.   ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Alasdair on July 30, 2011, 02:11:22 AM
We all know how that goes!  :D
When I finish our house and we move in I will maybe get round to finishing the cabin we live in now! ???
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 30, 2011, 03:22:48 AM
Alasdair it is a wonder that I get anything done now days.  I actually have four different places to tend to.  The house, the cabin, my parents house and my friends cabin on the mountain. Then there is little favors for widows of my past friends that have departed and a little farming in between it gets a little hetic at times.  But I just remind myself that the earth wasn't created all at once and I just take it one day at a time.

In regards to the pump delay.  I had an oppurtunity to test out the pressure after taking the suggestions of my well driller friend.  Seems to have corrected the issue.  It raised the high pressure cut-off to 52 PSI instead of 50PSI.  Now on the low end cut-in it doesn't drop pressure and engages the pump at the prescribed 30PSI.  
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 30, 2011, 03:55:10 AM
Try getting something done when you are in a far away land surrounded by hundreds of thousands of city people...... Oh well... it pays for the time when I am able to get there and do nothing. :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 05, 2011, 03:25:25 PM
TGIF.  Been a busy week.  Sprayed about 20 acs at the house in an attempt to rid myself of Multi-Flora Rose.  It's been a couple years since I had done this.  I should try to spray every year but just does't seem like there is enough time.  I can tell from my previous spraying that it is slowly but surely working.  Also vaccanated the kids three pigs.  That is fun trying to wrestle 200-250 pound pigs and get them still enough to get a needle in their tough hide. Got my fingers crossed on one that has developed a weight drop and loss of appetite. I figure it would be a good idea to treat all of them.

I got one step closer today with the installation of my septic tank and field. Also regraded the drive and laid down about 15 ton of #57 stone on the top portion of the driveway.  The drive from the Forest Service road to the top of the hill is churt which holds better on the hill and does not spin out. Electrical service is next.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: dug on August 05, 2011, 04:11:12 PM
I wish my driveway looked like that. Nice job!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on August 05, 2011, 05:51:17 PM
Is that last pic from the gate looking up the drive?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 06, 2011, 02:16:17 AM
No Chuck that is at the top of the hill at the front of the cabin.  If you recall the drive from the gate to the top is churt (purple slate).  I am afraid to put any stone on that portion as it would probably not hold in place and make climbing the hill difficult.  I did get my friend to grade the ditches deeper, crowned more and make the run-off alley's more prominent to keep the water from running down the road and washing the road away.  We will see how that works this winter.  If it doesn't work then next year I will put in a couple pieces of guardrail as water breaks.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on August 06, 2011, 02:28:12 PM
So from this picture the cabin is to the right ? and the dogleg of the drive is over to the basement?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 06, 2011, 04:35:20 PM
Thats correct.  Once I got the tank and field put in and graded it actually gave me more space to turn around. Now I don't have to back the trailer up the hill from the gate.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 11, 2011, 06:20:03 PM
Been a busy week trying to get things cleaned up from the last few years.  I managed to get grass sowed on the septic field, along the driveway, front and back yard.  It took roughly 40# of seed and 14 bales of mulch hay. I guess you could call this the "final grade".

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Also picked up a little something for the interior.  I couldn't find a wooden one.  Maybe out in the western states but not around here. So this "dump rake" steel wheel will do just fine hanging on the fireplace above the mantle.

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If anyone remembers my earlier post I was ordering a different generator.  Well I decided on the new Ecogen by Generac.  It is only 6KW but that will suit my purpose.  This is the only generator they will warrant for "Off Grid" use. It apparently is the only generator made by them which is immediately compatable with off grid equipment.  It carries a 3 year warranty. The service interval is 500 hours which is a lot longer than their others.   I got it on Tuesday.  Haven't got it hooked up yet but I am getting closer.  If anyone is interested here is some information on it.

http://www.generac.com/Residential/EcoGen_Series/Product/6kW/

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on August 11, 2011, 06:39:46 PM
"only 52 dB(A) under normal load!"  That's pretty quiet. Cool.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 12, 2011, 01:40:38 AM
"only 52 dB(A) under normal load!"  That's pretty quiet. Cool.

Yes the other one was 62dB(A) and the gas consumption is a lot more as well.  I just hated to spend the $1.5K more but by the time I get the required componets to bring the other one compatable with the inverter, starting battery system and the warranty I think it may be worth it.  At least I will not be left holding the bag if it blows up within the first three years ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on August 13, 2011, 11:39:24 PM
The place  is looking good, John.  Your module system reminds me of one I did for a customer.  They remind me of the thing we used to do when I was a kid... a bunch of boulders in a ditch with tin over them.  They do the same thing and it has been working at my dad's for over 50 years..... in clay soil. 

Engineers...... We don't need no stinkun' engineers...... [waiting]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on August 14, 2011, 03:13:29 AM
I'm just wondering why you would want to create all that new grass to cut ?  ;D I love the picture from the front because it makes the cabin look smaller than it really is. It is deceivingly larger than it looks.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 14, 2011, 03:48:13 AM
Chuck I guess the main reason is too try to eliminate the bare look and get rid of some of the mud and dirt from being tracked into the cabin. It seems that every week I am sweeping out what I have tracked in during the previous week.  Hopefully that will subside some now that the majority of the exterior is finished.  The only down side is that now I can't pull right up to the front door.  d*
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 16, 2011, 06:39:14 AM
Moving right along.  I got the gas range installed yesterday.  Took longer to convert to LP from Natural gas than it did to actually hook it up.  I extended the 1/2" gas pipe to just below the top of the range and installed a cut off.  Since this range is w/o electric functions I can cut off the gas when not in use and eliminate burning the three pilot lights.

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Well I am off to the State Fair for the afternoon with the family to see what is new equipment wise.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on August 16, 2011, 06:48:36 AM
Nice looking set up.Is the fridge propane and electric?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 16, 2011, 07:15:10 AM
Nice looking set up.Is the fridge propane and electric?

Thanks ben.  It is propane. Dometic (Servell) 400 series. The range is a GE.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on August 16, 2011, 07:47:46 AM
If that fridge is still made the way mine is there is an electric option BUT it is really only meant for use as a backup to the propane. It is like the electric option on an RV fridge, in that the electric part is a resistance heating element that takes the place of the flame. Unfortunately that is inefficient use of the electric power. Doubly unfortunate it does not automatically switch over; it's requires a human to turn the selector knob.

We have a similar range and also have a handy shutoff to extinguish the pilots when not in use.

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 16, 2011, 08:26:57 AM
Don it does have electric but as you stated it is not very efficient.  As you stated it does emit heat that is not needed this time of the year.  Normally the inside of the cabin is a relief from the outside but now not so much now.  d*  But it seems the weather is changing as the ferns are dying on the mountain and some of the early tree leaves turning so I would imagine that the extra heat will come in handy before too long.  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: kenhill on August 16, 2011, 09:09:42 AM
My all gas range had pilot lite adjustment screws.  I turned my until closed.  I do lite the pilot light in the oven, but I am only at our cabin for 3 days or so at a time.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on August 16, 2011, 10:07:48 AM
Beautiful!  What are your plans - will you be moving to the cabin & selling your other place or is this a get-away?  I'd be wanting to get moved in there real soon, it is so nice!   :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: mogie01 on August 16, 2011, 10:34:14 AM
Wow, your cabin is beautiful.  Nice work!  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 22, 2011, 01:24:32 PM
Yesterday my son and I fixed the vent stack on the cabin.  For those who have followed my progress I had a design flaw so to speak.  The vent stack exited the roof on the lower third portion.  During the heavy snow a year or so ago it snapped the elbow below the metal.  I had contiplated on just lowering the heigth and put a diverter (3" plastic angle ) on the ridge side.  Unsure whether this would solve it I decided to go ahead and relocate it further toward the ridge. After 4 hours of labor it is now 18" below the ridge.  I am glad I had an extra piece of metal roofing. 

The Before

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Also got some conduit run on the exterior from the basement to the generator. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 26, 2011, 04:44:48 PM
Spent the last couple of days running conduit for the generator and hardwiring it to the inverter and panel box.  Ran into a temporary snag in a component of the system.  I am installing a Automatic Generator Starter with the system which will turn the generator on when the battery bank depletes to a designated %.  So I will have to wait a week or so to pickup the batteries ( 8 X 6vdc) and then I can complete the installation.  I wanted to go ahead and install the starting module but it requires the 48 VDC current along with the generator output to work,  So right now it is just operating manually started when required.

The new generator is exceptionally quiet in comparison to the portable that I had been using for the last several years.  In hindsight I should have installed this earlier but I had other expenses which took priority.

So Bayview the temporary wire is now gone. ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on August 26, 2011, 05:27:17 PM
Yeaaaah!  Good stuff.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 27, 2011, 12:43:13 AM
Don I thought it was all good stuff.   ;D
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Post by: Redoverfarm on August 31, 2011, 12:25:53 PM
I've got grass.  First time that it has been green since I started in 2005.  I am really surprised that it took off considering how dry it has been here.  I did use a sprinkler to give it a jump start in germination.

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Additionally I mounted the Magnum inverter and breaker panel.  I went yesterday and picked up my batteries.  8- 6volt for a 48 volt system. [shocked]  $$$. Now I can wire the batteries and start on installing the Automatic Starter as soon as I can figure out where to hook a couple wires (waiting on factory information)

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on August 31, 2011, 05:07:22 PM
Dig that dead simple set up.Hard to go wrong with that.
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Post by: nathan.principe on September 02, 2011, 03:22:12 PM
In the pic above I noticed the cpvc lines, and went back through your thread and confirmed that you ran entirely cpvc supply lines.  I am leaning toward doing the same at my place.  Any problems, thoughts, benefits you encountered during the process?  I am finding it to be the most economical and easiest to install ( i think)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 02, 2011, 03:46:52 PM
No problems other than operator error with forgetting to glue a couple of fittings   [waiting].  I believe that Pex is probably a better choice as you will have no elbows but I am sort of old school.  Just be sure that you clean the fillings out if you saw your pipe as it will cause problems with some valves in your fixtures.  You might look at buying a PVC cutter.   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 05, 2011, 10:17:43 AM
My latest find for Dogtrot.  It is going to take some time to strip the layers of paint off and then refinish but I think it will look good after it is finished.

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Post by: noklu on September 05, 2011, 11:33:28 AM
Nice bed frame, is it a twin or a double!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 05, 2011, 01:28:59 PM
Nice bed frame, is it a twin or a double!

The bed is a full 4/6 size  (54").  I started stripping it today.  Going to be time consuming because of all the rosettes and detail where the wrought iron meets.  Actually I need a sand blaster but there is no one near here that does that so the stripper will have to do.

I have been looking for a set of twin bed wrought irons but they are hard to find and to too expensive for my blood.  I found some fulls similar to the one that I found but they want upward to $500 each. I will keep looking.  I have seen them at estate auctions in the past but actually had no need for them until I started that cabin.  Now I haven't seen any for years.  The metal beds (pipe) are a little easier to come by than the wrought iron.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on September 06, 2011, 11:21:03 AM
That awnsers my question.At first I thought it was a brass bed that had been painted.My next Q was gonna be,paint,polish,or patina.Wrought iron ya say.Gotta Dremel?Those are some hard details to sand by hand,but it's gonna be purrrdy when ya finished.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 12, 2011, 04:15:56 PM
Well the power system is up and running.   :)   Finally got all the kinks worked out.  Been switching bulbs to the CFL's and it does make a difference.  I can monitor the amps drawn on each individual light and appliance at the time they are on (one at a time).  Where I had 2 regular bulbs in the basement they drew between 3-4 amps.  But with CFL's they barely registered.  Had one issue in hooking up the Automatic Generator Starter and the Battery Monitor.  They use a 4 wire telephone cable each which are hooked up to the network port of the inverter. So I had to use a telephone splitter. The only one I could find at the house was an older verson and would not fit adjacent to the other additional ports.  So I had a Telephone/DSL splitter .  Using the telephone side The AGS would not work properly.  Apparently they had filtered the telephone jack with the DSL port which caused the problems.  But I will have to admit that the Tech's at Magnum Energy were A-1 in support throughout the day on Friday ,  That evening it was working as intended. 

Here it is.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on September 12, 2011, 05:00:18 PM
 [cool]

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: noklu on September 12, 2011, 05:10:00 PM
I see the batteries are Duracell's bu what type are they Marine types or other? And what $$$ for each? I need some top quality for my ham station.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 13, 2011, 01:37:01 AM
I see the batteries are Duracell's bu what type are they Marine types or other? And what $$$ for each? I need some top quality for my ham station.

They are 6V deep cycle "golf cart" batteries.  I think 225 amp.  I am using 8 to give a total of 48 volt system.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: OlJarhead on September 13, 2011, 04:14:12 AM
Pretty sweet :)  I'll be interested in how well the power system works out :)  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on September 13, 2011, 05:46:04 AM
48 volts makes for a nice simple series set of batteries.

If you find yourself needing more power you have the option of another series string connected in parallel. Even better than that would be to find a buyer for those 8 and replace them with another string of batteries or cells with larger capacity. That would be my ideal, but initial cost held me back.

FYI, with 48 volts you are now in or very near the point where the DC voltage is high enough to kill. It will also cause some very serious arcing / welding if something shorts across the top connections. Be good to get those enclosed and vented soon.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop (INVITATION)
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 17, 2011, 02:59:27 AM
It's been a long hard but enjoyable journey building Dogtrot.  There are just a few little loose ends to tie up but for the most part the major construction is finished.  So what do you do when something is finished.  CELEBRATE.  So with that being said I am sending out an invitation to my CP family and friends to join us at Dogtrot the weekend of October 15.  I realize that for some it may be too much of a journey but for others maybe not so much.  Helping celebrate will be musicians friends of my son and our family that play traditional Applachain Music as well as others who have helped this dream become a reality. I guess you would call it a House (Cabin) Warming, West Virginia style.  So for anyone that is interested just PM me or send an E-mail for specifics.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on September 17, 2011, 08:30:34 AM
Wow, that sounds like fun!   [cool]   Would love to go but doubt if we'd be able to make it.   

Take some more pics of the inside, please???  You've certainly created a beautiful house/cabin, wish I could see it  :(

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 18, 2011, 01:45:03 AM
Yes Sassy it should be a good time for all.  It will also coincide with the peak or near peak fall foliage changing. A relaxing time after the summer rush before the winter actually hits.  You can never go wrong with good friends, good food and good entertainment.   ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on September 18, 2011, 06:44:38 PM
I/we would love to attend, but being only half retired and half a continent+ away it's kind of difficult. That would be a good trip, many things out there I would like to see, not to mention other members I'd like to bother visit.   :D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on September 19, 2011, 03:03:07 PM
That's a trip I'd love to make but I just can't swing it this year. Way too much to do. Congrats on getting it all done John. I know what a job it's been.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 19, 2011, 03:10:57 PM
I/we would love to attend, but being only half retired and half a continent+ away it's kind of difficult. That would be a good trip, many things out there I would like to see, not to mention other members I'd like to bother visit.   :D

Thats understandable Don and Scott.  I really didn't expect anyone would travel that far but I thought I would offer.  We are limited in numbers on the East Coast but since most members do not place there geographic area this is the only way to get the word out. If an when you do get a chance to grace your presence I think it will still be there and you are welcome. Take Care.
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Post by: Redoverfarm on September 21, 2011, 05:24:16 PM
Moving right along.  Broke down and took the cast iron bed along with another one to a metal fabricator to have them sandblasted.  Should be finished the first part of next week.    I was making progress with the little Sears sandblaster until my air compresser gave up the ghost.  That is the second Porter Cable 6 gal compresser that I had go bad in the past two years.   d*  Note to self do not buy another one.

The power system is working great.  Although I haven't used alot of power today for the first time in several it reached the preset charge volts.  It started the generator on its own and after about 1-1/2 hours of charging it shut the generator down.  Scary when something works that smoothly for me.  [scared]

 I've been putting some final touches that somehow got over looked over the past 6 years. Added two outside waterproof recepticles and one flood lamp.  Luckily they were an easy fix.  One recepticle and flood light was opposite two interior recepticles so just drilling through the wall and branching off them gave me power to where I needed.  The basement recepticle required some conduit and considerable more wire from the panel box. The flood light actually should have been wired to the gable ridge area for greater light distibution but this will work.  I didn't realize just how dark that end of the cabin was until a week or so ago.

Heres a few pics

Parking area light

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Basement

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Outside Firplace lounging area

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I picked up a gas grill for the cabin the other day.  It was a Kenmore 53,000 BTU on sale at Kmart for 50% off.  Seemed like a good buy for $135.  Now I will not have to haul mine for the house everytime I want to grill.

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Also installed some additional bathroom fixtures for towels, toilet paper and the like. Caulked around the shower , floor tile and between the sinks and the wall.

Tomarrow I guess it will be more of the same.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 27, 2011, 07:25:44 PM
Very Nice, John but you must continue to keep a running project of some sort going there forever....

Old Chinese Proverb... The Man Who Finishes His House Dies.... [waiting]

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 02, 2011, 05:08:40 AM
Yes Glenn I don't think there is any worry about not always having something to do.  Crunch time getting things completed for http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=3613.msg143244#msg143244.  Just got my guttering delivered the other day.  I have been assembling the drops and end caps to be ready to install as soon as I can get an extra set of hands to install it.  Did make a bench out of the left over mantle beam.  I'll have to post a picture of it when I get it finished.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 04, 2011, 11:47:17 AM
Another homemade furnishing for the cabin this week.  I had an extra piece of wall log that was remaining from the fireplace mantle so I decided I needed a hefty bench.  The jury is still out on the species of wood but I hope to get an answer shortly.  I was told that it is Poplar but several knowledgeable person said it is not. Keep in mind that this piece is approximately 245-265 years old.  Hopefully it will last again as long.

The bench measures 4-1/2" thick (legs included) X 14" wide X 48" long.  The legs are let in full dovetails.  Due that massive dovetail I solicited my friend Mikey from a nearby Woodworking School  http://www.pocahontaswoods.com to help with their larger woodworking machines.  The dovetail is about 3" X 2-1/2".  I just wish I owned 1/3 of their equipment. Hopefully this winter I can make a Chestnut farm table to accompany it in the kitchen of the cabin.  

This is the side which still retains the original tree bark surface (removed).  With the curvature the dovetail does not quite meet on the edge front.

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This is a picture of the back side which was plained flat and the dovetail are flush to the bench seat.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on October 04, 2011, 12:23:55 PM
Another nice piece of woodworking, Red!  Looks incredibly stout  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on October 04, 2011, 01:18:42 PM
Awsome bench!  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: dug on October 04, 2011, 01:21:46 PM
Great work, I'm sure it will be around long after us.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on October 04, 2011, 04:25:14 PM
I hope to be sitting on it he 15th of October. ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 04, 2011, 04:31:26 PM
I'll put a "reserved" sign on it for you.   ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 05, 2011, 03:20:46 PM
Well the jury is in.  The bench is made of Hickory. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 08, 2011, 01:59:24 AM
Busy day yesterday.  Stained two 5 foot swings for the front porch.  My original plan was to run railings around the front porch but I ran into a design flaw.   d*.  Opposite the corner post against the cabin on both ends there are windows .  There is not that much elevation from the porch deck to the ground but I would just fell better with some type of barrier.  There was no way to secure a railing post against the cabin wall that would support the railing short of a tall post in front of the window. NOT.  So I decided to install the swings on the porch ends.  If someone does fall off the porch they will be swinging as the hit the ground.   ;D  Photo's to follow.  I hate staining because of the time needed to dry between coats of the stain and finished protective coat ( spar) but I guess I will just have to be patient.
I went to Lowes to pick up a gallon of the stain that I previously used on the cabin trim to use on the swings. Yes you guessed it they no longer make that type of stain.  They (Olympic) now only make the higher priced type.  Same color basicly but it is Water based rather than Oil.  Found that out the hard way trying to wash things up afterward.

Also got 90% of the guttering installed.  Had to work by flashlight on the 32' run on the porch. My contractor friend arrived late but did show.  There was no way I could install the two inside corners portions by myself. I only have two more 6' runs to put up on either side of the porch and the downspouts and that chore will be done.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 08, 2011, 06:20:26 AM
The bench is a beauty, John.  Looking forward to seeing more pix of your latest handiwork.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 16, 2011, 02:32:45 PM
I guess you could say that the Cabin Warming was a success.  There was approximately 40 people in attendance. The menu for supper was barbequed chicken, pepper pork loins, baked potatoe, green beans, tossed salad with an assortment of other side dishes brought in by the friends.  Breakfast this morning was sausage gravey and biscuit, buckwheat cakes with local maple syrup and eggs fixed on the wood cookstove.  

After supper there was great entertainment by some of the best musicians in the region and state.  Oh Yes the liquid refreshments ( Tuning oil) was in abundance as well.  The music continued throughout the night and I believe it terminated at about 5:00 AM.  I left my son in charge at about 2:30 and turned in at the house after an exhausting week.

Couple of improvements were made before the festivities.

A decorative "dump rake" wheel on the fireplace.

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Porch swing and rocker on the west porch end.

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The wrought iron bed refinished

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Porch swing and rocker on the east porch end

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Sofa , chair , endtables and lamps in the living room.

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Here are some snapshots of people having a great time. I was having problems with my camera so I couldn't get an videos of the music and lost a lot of candid pictures

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This little fella couldn't keep up with the big dogs and decided to take a tap on the landing

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Rob_O on October 16, 2011, 02:51:10 PM
Wish I could have made it, looks like you had some experienced musicians there
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on October 16, 2011, 03:07:19 PM
Me too!  Sounds like a lot of fun was had by all, the cabin looks fantastic & the menu sounded delicious  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: UK4X4 on October 16, 2011, 03:32:37 PM
awsome bench- certainly outlive me !

is it strange for a foreigner to allways ascociate banjos with the film "deliverence" ?

maybe just my age group !
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Rob_O on October 16, 2011, 03:43:03 PM

is it strange for a foreigner to always associate banjos with the film "deliverance" ?


Not all banjo players are inbred homosexual rapists

This may help. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFzZXvivo4c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFzZXvivo4c)

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Pine Cone on October 16, 2011, 08:22:06 PM
Looks like it was a great party.  Sorry I missed it, but you're just a few too many states away.

Everything is looking great.  I love the porch swing!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 17, 2011, 01:16:17 PM
PC maybe someday you can make it out to "gods country" and join in on what I invision will be an ongoing event.  Actually there are two swings at either end.  They are stained the same color as the rest of the trim but the species of wood (oak) makes it appear lighter.

Rob_O and UK4X4 just like everything else there is always something associated with good in a negative light.  Being from WV I know this first hand and have learned to look over the shallowness.  Rob_O there is great musicians here.  The other Banjo and Fiddle player's pictured with my son has been playing for 50 years and is considered a "Master" in old tyme music. The Mandolin player(not pictured) annually tours Ireland, Scotland and Australia and other as well.  His brother (unable to attend this year) who plays some with my son taught "claw hammer" banjo in Spain last year for three weeks.  So even if you are from the hills you can succeed.

Sassy it was a great time.  As for the food there was an abundance.  When I invited everyone they would ask what they could bring and my reply was nothing that I had taken care of everything.  Of course being country folks they wouldn't dream of showing up without some contribution.  So in essence almost everyone brought something.  Considered icing on the cake if you will. 

Just to be neighborly I invited a gentleman from Orlando,FL who recently bought a place nearby and is remodeling it.   He said that is the second invitation he has received this year from perfect strangers and people in WV are nothing like FL.  Just so happens that he is a Old Tyme & Bluegrass fan as well.  I can see he will fit right in. ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Gary O on October 17, 2011, 02:48:12 PM
Supurb
Just supurb
I can hear the strings come alive
I can't play a lick, but my one good ear can sure enjoy good sounds.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on October 17, 2011, 04:52:19 PM
I can attest to the good times had by all. Had a great time and got to play a little music too! Redover had quite a spread and we met lot's of nice folks. I appreciate the invite. Maybe next time I'll get into some of that tuning oil... It was a nice way to showcase a really beautiful place. Even with all of the pictures that have been shared during this build it is hard to do it justice. Really a masterpiece of craftsmanship. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 17, 2011, 05:42:12 PM
Thanks Chuck.  Glad you had a good time.  Wish you could have stayed longer. Maybe next time.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 24, 2011, 07:04:31 AM
Added a little something to the cabin.  There was an open area above the microwave so I decided to make a wine rack.  Now all I have to do is find some glasses and a few more bottles.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on October 24, 2011, 01:26:36 PM
where are the places for the quart jars?  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 24, 2011, 02:07:07 PM
In that High Priced refrigerator.  Unlike wine it is better if chilled.   ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop (Undecided)
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 27, 2011, 04:04:40 AM
Well I am undecided about winterizing Dogtrot.  I will certaining drain and winterize the water but what to do about the electrical system.  My options are to allow the system to operate as "is" during the winter which will mean without any electrical loads present (except inverter drain 6-25 watts daily) or to completely shut down the system. Without any power drain I can only estimate that it would be several days if not a week or so that the generator would engage to recharge. If I completely shut down I will attain a full SOC in the batteries and disconnect them from the inverter.  But in doing so I must also remove the generator battery which obtains the charging current from the battery bank.  I have never known anything to freeze in the basement ( location of battery bank) so I think the batteries will be OK. 

The water system although I can protect the first & second(loft) by allowing a couple gas heaters to remain on. The crawlspace is where I would get a potential freeze.

I guess I am fortuneate that I only live a short distance away and can adjust according to the inclimate weather(temps).

Any idea's or suggestions 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on October 27, 2011, 05:39:33 AM
Here is where one PV module would be real handy. You'd shut down the inverter and the PV modukle with its charge controller would maintain the batteries at peak charge all winter long. That's what our system does.

If you simply let the electrical sit there with the genny set to come on if the battery SOC drops that would work too, but you would not have the float charge that keeps them right up.

If the battery in your truck doesn't freeze these won't either IF their charge is kept up

As for water... personal choice. I drain because I don't want to burn propane in the heater all winter.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 27, 2011, 06:13:37 AM
Here is where one PV module would be real handy. You'd shut down the inverter and the PV modukle with its charge controller would maintain the batteries at peak charge all winter long. That's what our system does.

If you simply let the electrical sit there with the genny set to come on if the battery SOC drops that would work too, but you would not have the float charge that keeps them right up.

If the battery in your truck doesn't freeze these won't either IF their charge is kept up

As for water... personal choice. I drain because I don't want to burn propane in the heater all winter.

Don the float charge is built into the charging cycle.  Bulk, Absorb and then Float.

Yes the PV would be nice and it might be worth considering in the future but then again the Inverter and Generator would have to be shut down completely to keep from coming on or draining the starter battery down when the PV would take their place.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on October 27, 2011, 08:28:31 AM
Don the float charge is built into the charging cycle.  Bulk, Absorb and then Float.

Yes the PV would be nice and it might be worth considering in the future but then again the Inverter and Generator would have to be shut down completely to keep from coming on or draining the starter battery down when the PV would take their place.

But it doesn't supply a daily float like a PV module will. It only floats when the generator runs.

You shouldn't need to shut down anything on the inverter unless I'm missing something. A PV module(s) and separate charge controller would charge the batteries whenever the sun shines. If the cabin sits with no power being used the cycle goes something like this. The sun comes up, the panels see sun and produce power, that wakes up the charge controller 9we're talking good stuff, Outback, Xantrex), the charge controller goes into bulk, then absorb for the programmed time and then float. When the PV output falls to very low the charge controller eventually goes to sleep. That daily cycle keeps the batteries up. As long as the charge in the batteries is above whatever level you have the generator to auto start the generator will never run. That is unless there is a programmed schedule like for the generator to run every Sunday or whatever.

I don't know how the generator starter battery is connected to the system, but there are devices available that can be used. Solar Converters makes a charger that can use 48 VDC and put out 12 VDC and could be used to keep the starter battery full.

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Rob_O on October 28, 2011, 11:56:44 AM
Generators are just a bad way to charge batteries. In float stage the batteries are taking very little charge while the generator is still using a lot of fuel

You can get a pair of these

http://www.solarblvd.com/p2566/Kyocera-210-Watt-24-Volt-Solar-Panel-KD210GX-LFBS/product_info.html (http://www.solarblvd.com/p2566/Kyocera-210-Watt-24-Volt-Solar-Panel-KD210GX-LFBS/product_info.html)

And one of these

http://www.solarblvd.com/Charge-Controllers-PWM-Charge-Controllers-Xantrex-Charge-Controllers/c6_48_104/p794/Xantrex-C40-40A,-12-48V-Charge-Controller/product_info.html (http://www.solarblvd.com/Charge-Controllers-PWM-Charge-Controllers-Xantrex-Charge-Controllers/c6_48_104/p794/Xantrex-C40-40A,-12-48V-Charge-Controller/product_info.html)

And keep the batteries happy while using zero fuel. Next year you can add another set of batteries and another pair of panels.

That controller even has load diversion, which you can use to run electric heat strips and maybe keep the place a little warmer in the off season.

MPPT controllers really are better, but if you want to keep the initial cost down that one will get you through a few years of adding panels 2 or 4 a season.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 28, 2011, 02:32:38 PM
Rob thanks for the information.  I will keep it bookmarked for later reference.  Right now you can say I am sort of like a child learning to crawl then walk.  ;D  Starting off small.    Evientually I will probably incorporate some solar to the system as I learn more about alternative energy. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Rob_O on October 28, 2011, 05:42:33 PM
Rob thanks for the information.  I will keep it bookmarked for later reference.  Right now you can say I am sort of like a child learning to crawl then walk.  ;D  Starting off small.    Eventually I will probably incorporate some solar to the system as I learn more about alternative energy.

That's why I suggested a small system that has plenty of capacity for upgrading. For ~$1500 you can buy the parts I suggested plus all the wiring, connectors and conduit to have it up and running. Oversize the wiring to accommodate future upgrades and add a little every year until the sound of your generator breaking the mountain silence is a distant memory
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop (Undecided)
Post by: ChuckinVa on October 29, 2011, 03:35:47 AM
Well I am undecided about winterizing Dogtrot.  I will certaining drain and winterize the water but what to do about the electrical system.  My options are to allow the system to operate as "is" during the winter which will mean without any electrical loads present (except inverter drain 6-25 watts daily) or to completely shut down the system. Without any power drain I can only estimate that it would be several days if not a week or so that the generator would engage to recharge. If I completely shut down I will attain a full SOC in the batteries and disconnect them from the inverter.  But in doing so I must also remove the generator battery which obtains the charging current from the battery bank.  I have never known anything to freeze in the basement ( location of battery bank) so I think the batteries will be OK. 

The water system although I can protect the first & second(loft) by allowing a couple gas heaters to remain on. The crawlspace is where I would get a potential freeze.

I guess I am fortunate that I only live a short distance away and can adjust according to the inclimate weather(temps).

Any idea's or suggestions

I have a solution. I will pack my bags and stay the winter as long as you can keep that road clear.  ;D And keep settin  those pallets of wood on the front porch. :D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 30, 2011, 07:43:05 AM
Went up to check on the cabin this morning.  With just a dusting (3-4") of snow it was apparent that I needed an ice bar to prevent the heavier snows from tearing off the gutter.  I placed an order on Friday and they should be in on Thursday.  So if the weather holds out I may get them installed the last of the week or the first part of next week.  Somehow I think the window of oppurtunity on the outside work is quickly closing.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Canvasman on October 30, 2011, 12:27:35 PM
John, looking at pics of kitchen. How did you attach island to floor? Also, did you cut tile around where cabinets were to be placed? Or tile whole floor and set cabinets on top of tile. Why did you choose ditra over hardie board, under tile? I am debating 1/2 inch plywood and ditra or hardie board then tile.
Thanks
Eric
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 30, 2011, 03:31:21 PM
Eric I completely laid tile over all the kitchen floor before setting the cabinets.  I used 2X4 cleats on each end of the base cabinet which I secured to the tile via long deck screws into the subfloor (1/2 ply and 3/4" Advantex).  I used a mason bit to drill through the tile and mortar for the anchor screws.  The cabinet bases were secured to those via deck screws.  Base molding then hid the screws at the bottom of the base.

http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=3613.msg91199#msg91199

The reason that I used Ditra was two fold.  One being that I was border line with deflection and I figured that if I had some slight movement that the Ditra would be more forgiving.  Secondly was the ease of installation.  Ditra requires no mechanical fastners and the tile can be laid immediately after installing the Ditra without any additional cure time.  The Ditra is a little more expensive but a lot easier to work with and absorbs floor movement better.

Depending on the span of the area I would check the deflection.  Seeing that I used 1/2 marble it was greater than regular ceramic tile.  I originally had spanned 16 feet with 2x10's which was insufficent.  I later added a 4X16 Glulam mid span to decrease the deflection.



Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 04, 2011, 03:40:36 PM
Spent the day putting on my Witches Hat.   [waiting].  This is a name given by a metal roof manufacturer because the profile closely resembles that of a Witches Hat.  Basicly a snow/ice guard for metal roofs.  It was sold in 10' lengths and is color matched to your roof color.  From all appearences I think this will work.  It beats the alternative of individual "snow birds" which will cost $ 6-12 each.  With 110 feet of guttering this could get expensive.  The Witches Hat cost $13 for a 10 ' section.  It is mounted on the rib portion of the roof with two individual screws top and bottom.  I used some of the low profile screws that I had left over.  I really like these in comparison to the hex head normally sold to install metal roofs.  They are # 10 -1-1/2 color matched with a # 20 Torx  recessed head.  Their projection is minimal which helps if you have leaves and pine needles which like to hang up in the regular screws.  I have about 40 feet more in the back and it will be finished.

Although it appears different in color it is the same as the roofing it is just reflecting the light at a different angle.

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A picture showing the projection off the roof.

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Profile

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Low profile metal roof screws

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These are really strong once you have them attached to each rib.  In fact if I have any left over I think I will double them together and attach them in sorter sections to form a ladder to get up to the flue for cleaning.  Actually they would probably hold your weight even mounted single fashion.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 04, 2011, 05:53:27 PM
Good idea, John.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on November 04, 2011, 07:15:58 PM
The pic below is how they are done here except the ones I see look like a saw blade tooth with the point facing up to the ridge.
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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 10, 2011, 12:07:34 PM
Well I finished the "witches hat" snowguard.  I also fabricated a ladder of sorts to gain access to the flue top for cleaning.  I had debated about where to locate the stairs.  The back would have been the ideal location but because of the valleys they would have been staggered and probably harder to navigate not to mention I didn't have enough material.  d*

I showed him the pictures of the ladder and his reply was "in the front" which was my initial thought as well.  I hope that it does not distract too much from the appearence.  But like other aspects of the cabin that I wasn't fully confortable with these will pass as well from my short term memory to a forgotten one.

The steps are the snowguard which I doubled the thickness to make them a little more beefy.  I would imagine that just a single layer would have worked but I had the material .  The steps are 20" wide and spaced 20" apart which is evenly spaced in the area from the bottom of the roof to the ridge.  I had debated on installing the snow guard on the porch roof. But given it is above an unheated space and the pitch is around 3/12 I really don't think it will cause much of a problem slidding.  If it does  I can add it later.

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The only other major project which I have remaining is the railings on the outside and inside.  I have been looking for a tapered tenion cutter which I imagine will be my next purchase sometime after Christmas unless Santa finds it first. ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on November 10, 2011, 12:24:04 PM
That all looks very nice!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CjAl on November 13, 2011, 01:58:32 PM


that generator you switched to. is that the ecogen model? is that the only model that will auto start off the invertor?

i was looking at them but they are about twice as much as the same wattage in a regular standby unit.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 13, 2011, 03:41:18 PM

that generator you switched to. is that the ecogen model? is that the only model that will auto start off the invertor?

i was looking at them but they are about twice as much as the same wattage in a regular standby unit.

CjAL yes it is. Only 6000 watt. BUT it is the only generator that Generac will warranty for "off grid" application.  The other Generac generators ( standby's) the manufacturer will void the warranty if they are placed into service without grid tied power.  In addition you will have to have Generac to furnish you with an additional wiring harness to auto/remote start.  The Ecogen is already equipted with auto/remote start wiring.  While Generac voids the warranty on other standby generators manufactured by them for "off grid" use the Ecogen carries a 3 year warranty and the service interval is lot longer than regular standby's.  You ask me how I know this. Athat neighbor had purchased an 8000 Standby and had to go through the hoops that I described.  In fact I too was going to purchase the same as him until I learned the particulars regarding the warranty and auto start features. 

Even with the Ecogen you will have to supply some power to the generator to " maintain" the starting battery whether that be grid power, battery bank or additional solar power.  This is the major problem I see with their generators but one you have to go through.  I use my battery bank to accomplish this.  My neighbor uses a couple of small solar panels.

I am not real sure of the particulars regarding the engine in comparison with others that they build by it is my understanding that they are built stronger to run longer than the standby's.  They have a pressurized oil system to make sure that it maintains proper lubrication while running for longer period of time.

I use a Magnum AGS (Automatic Generator Start) control which is wired to the inverter control module.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CjAl on November 13, 2011, 03:51:54 PM
thanks for the info. the ones i googled say 7k, wonder if they uprated the new ones.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 13, 2011, 03:59:09 PM
thanks for the info. the ones i googled say 7k, wonder if they uprated the new ones.

Not real sure of that.  This is the unit that I originally had considered and one that the neighbor had purchased.

http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Generac-Guardian-5882-Standby-Generator/p4792.html

In addition to the regular equipted Ecogen I had to purchase the 240 volt breaker which split the 50 amp to two 25 amps.  Their price was enormous for the breaker and I am sure you could probably find one for 1/2 the price. I don't recall  the exact make but it was a commonly known company

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CjAl on November 13, 2011, 04:09:57 PM
i know. i used to haul for generac and i have more then a few friends who work there. im actually not a fan of the company but they make a good unit. the bigger ones anyways.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 13, 2011, 04:51:55 PM
Well we gave Dogtrot a test run with a weekend overnight stay.  Friday temps were in the upper 20's to low 30's and at about 4am I turned on one of the propane heaters to maintain a decent indoor temperature.  I didn't want to fool with firing the fireplace at that time of the morning. 

Saturday night was music night.  We invited a few musicians and family for an evening of entertainment which lasted until about 1AM.  Since we were up longer firing the fireplace and wood cookstove the temperatures were confortable throughout  the night. But then again the outside temperature was a little more moderate at 40F. 

Here is a few pictures and video of night.

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There always seems to be a wee little one enjoying the music.  This little fellow is the mandolin players grand daughter. She has been raised around music and it's a joy to watch this 11 month old keep time and wiggle to the tunes. Is there any doubt this little angle is from Irish decent.

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And here is a little video of one of the many songs played that evening.  I believe it is known as Congress throughout the old tyme circuit

http://www.youtube.com/user/redoverfarm1?feature=watch#p/a/u/0/pTX81ZRvoSs

I do have a few other videos and may edit this post later with a few more but the down load time prevented me from doing them now.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: carroll on November 13, 2011, 07:53:23 PM
Great playing!  Looks like a good time was being had by all . . . .  (And what a cutie!)

:)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on November 18, 2011, 11:12:45 AM
So, redover, are you going to live there?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 18, 2011, 02:03:44 PM
So, redover, are you going to live there?


Part-time.  Mostly in the above frigid seasons.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: considerations on November 19, 2011, 04:40:13 PM
"Part-time.  Mostly in the above frigid seasons."

Its fun to have those types of choices.  I always thought it would be nice to have a car for every mood I was in. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Ernest T. Bass on November 19, 2011, 07:06:10 PM
Nice string-pluckin' going on there! Bluegrass is deceptively challenging to play well...
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on November 21, 2011, 11:26:17 AM
I always thought it would be nice to have a car for every mood I was in.

... I used to have a full set of different tires and wheels for summer and winter.  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 21, 2011, 11:31:42 AM
But then the birth of  All Season Radial's.  What ever happened to "recaps"?   ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on November 21, 2011, 11:50:34 AM
I haven't heard or thought of recaps for a long long time.


My winter set of 4 were studded, sort of like these..

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Of course the ice racers had studded tires too. I never got into that though...

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CjAl on November 21, 2011, 04:49:45 PM
what you mean what happened to recaps? look on the side of the road you see them scattered all over!

we run them on our semi trailers. i wont run them on the truck, i have had too many things torn up when they go boom. but with the rising price.of tires you will see more and more.$250ea sure beats $600 ea.

 not too long ago i found a company selling recap mud tires. i considered a set for my jeep for about 2 minutes. figured with the 6" of lift i probably dont need a 35" recap blowing on a short wheelbase at 70 mph
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 21, 2011, 05:21:22 PM
Yep on trucks they are still used but for auto's and light trucks they are slowly being phased out.  I remember that we too used to run winter treads recaps on our cars and pu trucks.  In fact we used to mount the winter treads on extra rims and just change out in the summer months.  I think the price of recaps on bias ply in comparison to steel belted tires probably has a lot to do with it.  Been ages since I even priced recaps.  Didn't they make what they called a "sawdust cap"?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: CjAl on November 22, 2011, 06:23:57 AM
one of big reasons for no recap car tires is the lack of bias ply casings.

in tx its so hot in the summer i blow recaps constantly. they are very sensitive to tire psi. in the summer running 70 mph truck tires can pick up 40psi.

in the summer i lower my tire psi and dont run over 65. it gets expensive fast
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: mgramann on November 22, 2011, 11:26:44 AM
It's kinda odd that my first post here is about tires, but what can I say, I'm a jeep guy.  Through jeepforum I followed EaglesSJ here and have been lurking as a guest.

I run Treadwright MTG's on my Cherokee.  About $100 each for 31's, and if you request Goodyear MTR cores, it's very difficult to tell the difference.  I have no complaints so far, and they are quite popular among the budget minded off-road crowd.  I haven't heard of any tread separations yet.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on November 22, 2011, 12:30:35 PM
It's kinda odd that my first post here is about tires, but what can I say, I'm a jeep guy.  Through jeepforum I followed EaglesSJ here and have been lurking as a guest.

I run Treadwright MTG's on my Cherokee.  About $100 each for 31's, and if you request Goodyear MTR cores, it's very difficult to tell the difference.  I have no complaints so far, and they are quite popular among the budget minded off-road crowd.  I haven't heard of any tread separations yet.

 w* Thanks for that bit of info.I was looking at a set for my Ranger.


Sorry for the thread jack.  [scared]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 07, 2011, 04:56:51 PM
Another sad day on the Mountain.  A good friend of 73 years young passed away.  He has battled cancer for the last two years.  You might recall a couple years ago that I had helped a neighbor finish the stone work on his fireplace flue.  It was his flue that I finished.  I am glad that I was able to help him with this project which was just one that he didn't have to worry about in his last couple of years.  Although just a summer residence he was a constant companion helping me with Dogtrot since it's beginning.  I was honored that he made the trip (several hours away) to Dogtrot for the house (cabin)warming back in the middle of October.  I had spoke with his daughter just hours prior to his passing and she said that although his life was labored he was listening to a video of my son playing on that night that he was at the cabin.  :(   I have been blessed with so many people in my life who have lended a hand while building Dogtrot  I just wish a few would hang around a little longer to enjoy it with me.  This makes three dear friends that I have lost in the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Texas Tornado on December 07, 2011, 05:26:00 PM
(((Hugs))) The blessing is in his life and you were a part of it....
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 13, 2011, 05:24:50 PM
Working at the cabin intermittently lately.  Discovered a problem with my generator.  Had the Generac service personel at the cabin the other day and determined that the lower oil seal was leaking on the drive shaft.  They were on another service call and agreed to take a look at mine. I had noticed oil leaking out from under a lower shield.  All the fittings and filter were dry.  I called their office and they agreed to take care of the problem as soon as they received a service manuel and parts
from Generac.  This is a newer model than the manuels they have.  He advised that he would contact me to arraign to pick the unit up.  Well I guess that will be the determining factor on winterizing the cabin as far as shutting down the generator/inverter and battery bank. In the meantime I have been trying to get my batteries equalized.  With the help of Mountain Don I think I am getting there.

I went up on top of the Mountain today to retrieve my friends (recently passed away) Generator and Lawnmower Battery.  He had a problem with the charge being down and froze last year and they had to be replaced.  While up their I decided to take a few photographs and try out the telephoto lense. 

This picture was taken from on top toward my house some 2-3 air miles away

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Here is the same but with the telephoto lense. If you look in the center of the previous photo you can barely see this 

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Just a few inches of snow the other day but it still lingers on the north side of the cabin.  The "witch hat" is working as designed. Be interesting to see when a major snow hits.

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Found a pretty interesting tree out the bedroom window that I thought others might like to see.  I just wonder how it became to grow this way.  Better hide it from "Poppy" or he would be taking it to Ohio to use as cruck beam.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Whitlock on January 01, 2012, 11:15:53 AM
I have watched this build from the beginig and I must say it is one of my favorites.
I hope some day to build something like it .
You have came along way Redover I bet it is nice to have it so far along.

Happy New Year,W
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 01, 2012, 11:35:29 AM
I have watched this build from the beginig and I must say it is one of my favorites.
I hope some day to build something like it .
You have came along way Redover I bet it is nice to have it so far along.

Happy New Year,W

Thanks Whitlock.  Yes it is a good feeling (bitter/sweet) that the majority is finished and am enjoying the fruits of my labor. Still have the railings to build sometime in the near future.  Still have plenty of other projects to do at the house which will soon occupy my time.  Winter is closing in here so I am undecided what to do as far as  Dogtrot is concerned.  I will just have to play it by ear and see.

I went to the cabin today to unhook the generator so that it can be picked up.  So for now it looks like it will be at least a couple of weeks before I get it back and re-installed.  What a pain.  Oh Well that's life . 

I was just talking to Glenn and inquired about you the other day and your progress. You need to bring everone up to speed on your built.  Inquiring minds would like to know. ;D

Take care my friend.

John
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on January 01, 2012, 05:43:20 PM
I guess I missed something somewhere. What happened to your generator?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 02, 2012, 05:45:26 AM
I guess I missed something somewhere. What happened to your generator?


When everything is working right watch out.  Something is about to go wrong.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on January 02, 2012, 05:59:11 PM
I hope they get it turned around quick for you. We had a little flurry here this evening. Just a dusting.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 04, 2012, 05:02:47 PM
Well I guess you could say that Dogtrot is offically winterized and not a minute too soon.  Sunday I unhooked the generator so that it could be picked up for repairs.  Doesn't sound that difficult?  Well there was about 10-12 wires ran to various location within the generator that operated the charging system, automatic generator start feature and feed to the inverter charger.  Then the gas line as well.  Well today they picked it up so now I do not have any power.  I did manage to charge the battery bank to 100% SOC.  I checked the specific gravity which was as high on the tester as marked.  Pretty good considering that the temperature was 45F in the battery and room surrounding them today.

The last couple days of low temperature really drew the inside temperature down.  10-18F for three days dropped the inside temperature to 25F.  Enough to make the toilet tanks look like "slurpee's" at a convienent store.  After sitting a portable propane "eye" heater toward them for an hour or so they thawed out.  Also heated water on the gas range to pour into the tanks, down the drain lines to remove and partially frozen traps.  I followed up adding RV antifreeze to anything that would not drain upon it's own by gravity.  I blew all the water lines ( both hot & cold) with air.  Surprising enough I got very little water out after the initial draining.  In installing the supply and drains I tried really hard to put all of them on a pitch.  But I guess through all me effort I ended up with a few low spots.  It is doubtfull even if I hadn't blowed the lines they would have probably survived the winter as only being 1/2 capacity of the pipe diameter  ??? The pressure tank and hot water heater was also drained.  If I would have had it to do over I would have run a seperate drain line for the hot water to drain other than exiting  via the hot water heater.  I may still do this later.

I was worried about the toilets supply valves as they are basicly one way valves I think. Allowing water to enter the tank but not return to the supply line.  My solution was to clear the valves with air as well after all the water was removed from the tank.  Then the tank was filled with RV antifreeze and flushed to reach the toilet trap area.

I was unable to locate any components to make up air adapters for the sinks.  Different sizes and constuction makeup (male and females) so I just used a new tire valve pushed securely in the faucets and supply lines and added air from a temporary air tank. 

Prior planning did pay off in that I situated a floor drain centered between the pressure tank & hot water heater which made easy work in draining the lines, pressure tank and hot water heater without lengthly hoses or pipes. 

Only concern that I have is with the faucet cartridge in the shower and kitchen sink and being able to clear the water from them. While injecting air into faucets & shower heads I moved the selection handle to catch both the hot and cold water supplies independently as well.  I guess other than injecting antifreeze through the supply lines this is the best that I can do. Only time and spring will tell.

The only real concern that I had with freezing lines was the crawlspace where there was no practicle way of heating.  If need be I could heat the cabin area to prevent freezing in that area.  It would be doubtful that the basement area would freeze unless it was more unusual than winters past when the temperature did not drop below 32F there.

Hopefully it will be a mild winter and early spring.   :)

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on January 04, 2012, 05:10:03 PM
When you blow your lines out,how much pressure do you use and how long do you run air through the lines?Being in the south,we don't have to do it unless a house sits empty for a long time.Mine has sat over 10 years now and I didn't think to do it.Now,it's a complete replumb.Need it anyway.The PVC is almost 40 years old.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 05, 2012, 02:47:16 AM
When you blow your lines out,how much pressure do you use and how long do you run air through the lines?Being in the south,we don't have to do it unless a house sits empty for a long time.Mine has sat over 10 years now and I didn't think to do it.Now,it's a complete replumb.Need it anyway.The PVC is almost 40 years old.

There was no particular pressure.  I used a portable air tank which was filled to 90PSI initially and decreased as I progressed from the loft to the 1st floor.  I shut all the cut off's valves except the one I was using and did the cold 1st and then the hot.  The lines are Crestline & Genova CPVC which is rated for 100 PSI @ 180F.  Just used short burst.  After a few you can tell when there is no back pressure.  I only refilled the tank once to complete the process.  I guess it would depend on how much water is left in the lines to determine how long you would have to maintain pressure on a line. The process sounds really simple but took 6-7 hours to complete.  d*
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on January 05, 2012, 10:24:47 AM
There was no particular pressure.  I used a portable air tank which was filled to 90PSI initially and decreased as I progressed from the loft to the 1st floor.  I shut all the cut off's valves except the one I was using and did the cold 1st and then the hot.  The lines are Crestline & Genova CPVC which is rated for 100 PSI @ 180F.  Just used short burst.  After a few you can tell when there is no back pressure.  I only refilled the tank once to complete the process.  I guess it would depend on how much water is left in the lines to determine how long you would have to maintain pressure on a line. The process sounds really simple but took 6-7 hours to complete.  d*


Thanks for the info.I had an idea and have helped do it a couple times.Ok so I watched for water to come out of the drains when my friend did.  d*
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 13, 2012, 03:01:21 PM
Since my generator is away for repairs I decided to do some things at the house.  For those who had kept up on this tread you probably recall that I had bought a 12KW generator for Dogtrot a couple years ago.  Since that time I decided that it was overkill for the cabin and moved it to the house and replaced it with a smaller one.  Well I got around to installing it today. 

It sure makes a mess of a fairly tidy panel box with all the pig tails, wire connectors and wire nuts.  As you can see it sort of looks like a big bowl of spaghetti now.  I sort of stretched the envelope by expanding the generator breaker panel some to include additional circuits.  I had an electrician friend to look over what I was doing and he said it appeared OK. 

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A test of the system worked flawlessly coming on when the grid power was disconnected.  Sure beats dragging out the portable in bad weather and only running a few essential circuits discriminately.  Not to mention hauling gas.  There have been times that our power has been off for 9 days straight.  Not that bad now as they have upgraded their system but it stills goes out for 1-2 days at a stretch. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on January 13, 2012, 03:51:06 PM
That could be a very handy thing. Keep the propane tank topped up.  Any idea how much fuel it uses for an average hour or day?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 13, 2012, 04:44:35 PM
Don the generator is a 26HP (763cc displacemnt) @ 3,600 rpm.  1/2 load is 1.53 gph or 56 cf per hour.  At full load it is 2.08 gph or 76 cf per hour.  It is louder than the one at the cabin at 70.5db.

Dogtrot generator is 18HP (533 cc displacement) @ 3,600 rpm.  1/2 load is .82 gph or 30 cf per hour.  At full load it is 1.47 gph or 54 cf per hour.  The noise level is around 52 db.

As you can see it is a gas guzzler   d*  in comparison to the smaller one.  But for occassional use it is tolerable.

I was able to add a circuit dedicated to my freezers and refrigerator.  Also one circuit for the computer modem which is a must.  ;)

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Johnny on January 15, 2012, 02:44:04 PM
Working at the cabin intermittently lately.  Discovered a problem with my generator.  Had the Generac service personel at the cabin the other day and determined that the lower oil seal was leaking on the drive shaft.  They were on another service call and agreed to take a look at mine. I had noticed oil leaking out from under a lower shield.  All the fittings and filter were dry.  I called their office and they agreed to take care of the problem as soon as they received a service manuel and parts
from Generac.  This is a newer model than the manuels they have.  He advised that he would contact me to arraign to pick the unit up.  Well I guess that will be the determining factor on winterizing the cabin as far as shutting down the generator/inverter and battery bank. In the meantime I have been trying to get my batteries equalized.  With the help of Mountain Don I think I am getting there.

I went up on top of the Mountain today to retrieve my friends (recently passed away) Generator and Lawnmower Battery.  He had a problem with the charge being down and froze last year and they had to be replaced.  While up their I decided to take a few photographs and try out the telephoto lense. 

This picture was taken from on top toward my house some 2-3 air miles away

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Here is the same but with the telephoto lense. If you look in the center of the previous photo you can barely see this 

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Just a few inches of snow the other day but it still lingers on the north side of the cabin.  The "witch hat" is working as designed. Be interesting to see when a major snow hits.

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Found a pretty interesting tree out the bedroom window that I thought others might like to see.  I just wonder how it became to grow this way.  Better hide it from "Poppy" or he would be taking it to Ohio to use as cruck beam.

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CjAL yes it is. Only 6000 watt. BUT it is the only generator that Generac will warranty for "off grid" application.  The other Generac generators ( standby's) the manufacturer will void the warranty if they are placed into service without grid tied power.  In addition you will have to have Generac to furnish you with an additional wiring harness to auto/remote start.  The Ecogen is already equipted with auto/remote start wiring.  While Generac voids the warranty on other standby generators manufactured by them for "off grid" use the Ecogen carries a 3 year warranty and the service interval is lot longer than regular standby's.  You ask me how I know this. Athat neighbor had purchased an 8000 Standby and had to go through the hoops that I described.  In fact I too was going to purchase the same as him until I learned the particulars regarding the warranty and auto start features. 

Even with the Ecogen you will have to supply some power to the generator to " maintain" the starting battery whether that be grid power, battery bank or additional solar power.  This is the major problem I see with their generators but one you have to go through.  I use my battery bank to accomplish this.  My neighbor uses a couple of small solar panels.

I am not real sure of the particulars regarding the engine in comparison with others that they build by it is my understanding that they are built stronger to run longer than the standby's.  They have a pressurized oil system to make sure that it maintains proper lubrication while running for longer period of time.

I use a Magnum AGS (Automatic Generator Start) control which is wired to the inverter control module.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Johnny on January 15, 2012, 02:48:00 PM
I have an Eco Gen 6 it is 1 yr old and I have had a problem noticed oil had leaked blowing out the left vent area of the generator. Just curious what your problem turned out to be. Am calling the generator company near here tomorrow to see if they can come and repair it. I live in ontario Canada and would appreciate any input you might have. I have not been able to find anyone to hook my generator up to come on automatically when batteries are low. Any info would really help Thanks, John
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on January 15, 2012, 03:11:04 PM
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hook my generator up to come on automatically when batteries are low.

What inverter do you have?  Some inverters come with the auto start built in. An accessory unit to connect to the inverter and the generator is usually needed to be purchased separately.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 15, 2012, 05:03:24 PM
I have an Eco Gen 6 it is 1 yr old and I have had a problem noticed oil had leaked blowing out the left vent area of the generator. Just curious what your problem turned out to be. Am calling the generator company near here tomorrow to see if they can come and repair it. I live in ontario Canada and would appreciate any input you might have. I have not been able to find anyone to hook my generator up to come on automatically when batteries are low. Any info would really help Thanks, John

Well I talked to the service company on Friday and they determined that it was not the lower shaft oil seal but a cracked, missing or damaged ring which was allowing oil to be pumped to the air cleaner.  They are waiting on Generac to get back to them to determine how it should be repaired or replaced.  I noticed that oil showed up at the bottom shroud near the foam gasket of the muffler area (on left bottom facing) .  Since this is a rather new design and the oil is pressurized system there are several places visible that could have leaked but none showed any sign of leaking.  This might be a problem with that new design that they are aware of.  As soon as I find out something further I will let you know.

Mine has a 2 yr-2000 hr  complete warranty.  Yours should be the same. I wouldn't wait too long to get them to check it. 

I used a AGS (Auto Gen Start) from Magnum but that was compatable with the Magnum inverter.  It was not really that hard to wire up and their tech staff was great for the guidance. Believe me I am not that knowledgeable of electronics and managed to "getr done".   I doubt that they are the only people that provide that particular AGS feature.  What kind of inverter do you have?  The AGS interfaces with the Inverter control panel.  I also have a battery monitor kit that is faced to the controller. It will show the status of the batteries in State of Charge and voltage as well as temperature.  Most of the communication lines between are just telephone cable.  There is standard wire used to the generator from the AGS and for battery charging.  I may be able to help if your AGS and inverter are the same as mine. Your manuel should show where the two wire start terminals are.  Mine is on Page 25 of that manuel.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop (VIDEO)
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 15, 2012, 05:21:59 PM
Sort of comical to watch my steer waiting to be served it's breakfast every morning.  They are a creature of habit being that I have been graining it since mid October.  It will gather at the feed box at about 6AM and if I don't get the feed to him by about 6:30 it will start bawling.  Once he see's me he will start that frantic dance back and forth until I pour the grain into the box. 

Here is a little video.  Excuse the quality as I was trying to shoot and carry the bucket at the same time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKpn1DCvQ8E


Here is the satisfied bovine until tomarrow.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on January 15, 2012, 06:10:31 PM
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Here is the satisfied bovine until tomarrow."

Is tomorrow a special day for him? He looks a little like T-bone or Porter house to me or maybe Sir-loin but then You know I love to eat !
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 15, 2012, 06:18:55 PM
"
Here is the satisfied bovine until tomarrow."

Is tomorrow a special day for him? He looks a little like T-bone or Porter house to me or maybe Sir-loin but then You know I love to eat !

No just another day of pacing at 6:30 and waiting.  But his pacing days are short lived.   [hungry]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: rick91351 on January 15, 2012, 06:52:05 PM
John it is so nice to know that livestock in West Virginia act and react like those out here in Idaho.  Your not going to keep yours around like Glenn's cow pets? 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 15, 2012, 07:01:02 PM
John it is so nice to know that livestock in West Virginia act and react like those out here in Idaho.  Your not going to keep yours around like Glenn's cow pets?

No here they either make a profit or are dinner.  Too expensive otherwise.   ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: rick91351 on January 16, 2012, 03:09:43 AM
We have a couple nice irrigated acres of pasture here in the valley.  We usually will turn out in the spring one or two old cows and their calves here.  Cows that are just to old to go back to the ranch and make it well on that type of feed.  But come September and pasture is short it is auction time!   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 16, 2012, 01:20:21 PM
No here they either make a profit or are dinner.  Too expensive otherwise.   ;D

Thanks for the vid and pix, John.   :)


Moi??   Pet cows??   Not sure ...those are weed eaters and I just wanted the steaks to be a bit bigger... or more hamburger...... [ouch]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop (NHS Induction)
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 22, 2012, 02:02:51 PM
This boy never ceases to amaze me. Today Steven was inducted into the National Honor Society.  One exception to the apple falling from the tree. 


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Not to hard to pick out the Country Boy.


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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on January 22, 2012, 02:43:27 PM
Congratulations, John!  A son to be proud of   8)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on January 22, 2012, 03:32:29 PM
way  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Pine Cone on January 22, 2012, 04:52:55 PM
Way to go Steven [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Carla_M on February 01, 2012, 09:05:38 AM
Here's another one it took a while to read through ;)  It seems your name is John. Hi, I'm Carla, a lurker coming out of the dark. Very nice work John. I do love the old squared logs that you reclaimed. It looks old and has modern conveniences, a very nice combination. 8)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 01, 2012, 04:29:46 PM
Thanks Carla_M for the comments.  Sorry for the length of the thread but it is over about 5-6 years.  The build was a fantastic experience.  There are a few loose ends to complete but it is liveable.  As Glenn would say once we are finished we just die.  So I leave a few things to carry on with.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 06, 2012, 01:32:07 PM
I guess you could say that Dogtrot is semi-retired. Still no generator yet (out for repairs).  I did go to my annual builders auction on Saturday and manages to pick up 2 storm doors.  Actually they are heavy ( 75# each) and they are classified as pre-entry doors with full glass or screen.  I had seen them at previous auctions but never the right size or color.  They are the right size, right directional swing and color ( Antique brown).  If you can believe they were originally retailed at $389 each.  Of course I didn't spend that much for both.  They even have deadbolts verses the standard flip latch and lock.  Now when the weather breaks I hope to get them installed.  Those will give me a lot more ventilation in the summer.  They will go on the two rear/opposing doors to the deck area.  The nice thing is that in the winter with the full glass they will keep the snow from laying against the regular entry doors.

Today I loaded the last remaining stone that was left over which I sold to an individual who was in the market for some.  All total I think I have laid about 1200 square feet at the cabin.  I had about 140 sq ft left over and basicly got almost the same price back that I originally paid.  There is always a downside.  The ground has starting thawing so you know what happens when you take a farm tractor with forks to load the stone.  I think if I can get my lawn roller I will be able to roll the cleat marks down.  If not I guess it will give me something to do this summer filling in and reseeding a portion.  It is always good to get rid of your salvage material for $$$.  ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on February 06, 2012, 06:35:15 PM
We started to come to the auction Saturday. I told Debbie I bet you went and she said she thought you were going to the square dance. ( By the way, dad called this evening and he got his "badge" and certificate so he is an official square dancer !Not bad for a guy who spent 3 days in the hospital week before last.) We went to H'burg Saturday afternoon. Our company left about 10:30 in the morning headed back to WV. Glad you found the doors. I need to pick your brain about a way to lift my logs once I start cutting them. I have been marking trees on the property but I'm going to need a lot more than I have here. I may need to scale it back to 16 X 14 to use some of the trees I have here.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 17, 2012, 03:13:08 PM
Found an updated map of Dogtrot.    [cool]  Might have even been in the fall after I finished the deck.

http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=38.112522&lon=-79.939604&z=20&r=0&src=msl
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on February 17, 2012, 04:29:40 PM
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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 17, 2012, 05:43:00 PM
Well for the time being I have shifted gears and moved to the house for a long awaited project.  I have roughly 35 acres of elevated woodland behind the house which I have never been able to gain good access to other than a ATV.  Today with the aid of a neighbor who builds logging roads we flagged about 1500 feet of road through the woods to the mountain top.  First we flagged a 15% grade starting at the house to the mountain top.  The distance to the National Forest Boundry came up too quick before we reached the top.  So we went back and moved up the mountain side and flaged a 20% grade which brought us to the top within 20 feet of the boundry.  The road is probably a little steep for regular vehicular traffic but the intention was to gain access to firewood so it will be basicly 4 wheel drive vehicles, ATV's and tractors.  The grade could have been reduced by the addition of two switchbacks but that is alot more cost.

Prices have risen on dozer work in the past couple of years.  The last dozer work that I had done was inthe neighborhood of $55-65 hr.  With the amount of trees that have to be removed it was suggested that a larger dozer be used. Ching, ching to the tune of about $100 hr.  Rough estimates are 20-25 hours to cut it in.  I guess it is a trade off being that there are so many people getting Firewood Permits from the National Forest it is getting harder and harder to get firewood.  Yes there is plenty of "dead & down" wood in the National Forest but access is limited to the main roads only so they are waiting in line for the trees to fall.  I have an abundance of trees that are either down , diseased or dying on the mountain top.  If I were to have to purchase wood it would outweigh the road construction within a few years.  So why not kill too birds with one stone. ;D

I tried to post an arial photo of the area showing the road which I couldn't insert the road into the photograph.  So I will post an arial photo and describe the location of the road.

http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=38.120885&lon=-79.956758&z=16.1&r=0&src=msl

It will start at the house ( Middle of satelite image denoted at the cross hairs)and run west along the hillside which is just south of the hollow running to the west turning to the southwest. It will gradually  d* Wind to the top.  Just south of the house there are two pasture fields.  1/2 the distance through the big field (second one south of the house)there is a fence row with a few trees which run from Route 92 to the west by north west being the property boundry.  It will intersect the new road at the top of the first ridge to the west of the field.  Once on top it will be branched to include a few moderately disturbed skid roads and landings to turn and stack logs to be later cut.  Sorry if you are unable to follow by the description but until I figure the technology used to insert roads onto photographs you will just have to use your imagination. ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 29, 2012, 04:39:00 AM
Too Little Too Late.  For those that have followed my build may remember my post of the 4th of January where I addressed the cold snap of 10-18F for that week and my attempts to Winterize Dogtrot.  Well I found a leak recently.  No not the plumbing itself ( I wish) but the toilet in the loft area.  I noticed a small puddle of RV antifreeze on the downstairs bathroom floor.  It was apparent that it originated in the loft bathroom which is immediately over the 1st floor bathroom. 

So I removed the dropped ceiling to investigate.  Huh  ???  No leaks could be found.  Looking closer I found a small trail of antifreeze on the ceiling beam.   I found the culpert. d*    Apparently the toilet trap had frozen before I added the RV antifreeze.       Yep you guessed it.  The toilet bowl was cracked midways from the flange to the rim from one side to the other..   :(   The antifreeze had seaped out the bowl/trap onto the floor and run down through the 2X6 TG to the bathroom below.  When I found them on the 4th the water in the bowl was only slushy so I thought I had caught it in time. 

The weather has been extremely mild in comparison to previous years.  I had tried to monitor the temp(s) but I missed this little cold swing.  Lesson learned for the future  I guess by not trying to stretch the season of occupancy.  I would never be able to find a replacement so I will just have to shop around to find one that will match fairly well and move on.  I guess when the weather finally breaks and I re-energize the water I will be able to tell if there are any other leaks.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: rick91351 on February 29, 2012, 05:40:37 AM
Not that it is any consolation John.  We occurred frozen stuff up at the ranch this last fall as well.  Bad early cold snap before it really snowed.  Two nights up there they said it almost went to zero in early October.  Before we could get everything drained and put away the pressure switch or pressure gauge on the pressure tank had cracked.  (To much water and mess to tell.)  The valves and clock to the drip line for the raspberries and black berries was solid ice and the 'brass' manifold was cracked and laying on the ground.  At least ours was not in a cabin.....   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on February 29, 2012, 02:10:33 PM
There's always a bright side.... Better pink stuff leaking than yellow or brown.   ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on February 29, 2012, 02:55:02 PM
There's always a bright side.... Better pink stuff leaking than yellow or brown.   ;D

Always the optimist !

Sorry about your privy John. Your right about not finding another to match it. But maybe you can have fun looking for one!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 02, 2012, 08:17:26 AM
Manuel Labor. I am getting too old for this stuff.   The last couple of days I have been cutting/clearing an access up to the top of the mountain for the dozer to start my road.  The road route was measured and appears to be about 1500 feet until it reaches the top from the barn.  The landing and branch access is about another 700 feet so it will be just shy of 1/2 mile in length.  The dozer operator wanted me to go ahead and cut the trees and he would punch a road down then skid the trees to the landing. Then come back and drag the ditch line, install water breaks, bevel the bank and dress the road down..  I would imagine that probably every other tree cut will hang as the majority that have fell are resting on the tree tops of each other.  This could be a problem and imagine I will have to cut and pull as we go.  Not to mention that the slope is extremely steep which makes it a little more difficult to walk let alone cut trees.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 03, 2012, 06:02:54 AM
I dunno, John.  Looks to me like this new fangled indoor plummin stuff ain't all it's cracked up to be.... better build yerself one of them there traditional old shacks out back and use that.  Sears and Roebuck catalogues... now they are hard to find though.....  The little brown shack might freeze up but at least they don't crack and leak..... [waiting]

Logging and roads..... reminds me I have some to do if the guy doesn't get tired of waiting for me.... :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 03, 2012, 07:43:52 AM
I dunno, John.  Looks to me like this new fangled indoor plummin stuff ain't all it's cracked up to be.... better build yerself one of them there traditional old shacks out back and use that.  Sears and Roebuck catalogues... now they are hard to find though.....  The little brown shack might freeze up but at least they don't crack and leak..... [waiting]

Logging and roads..... reminds me I have some to do if the guy doesn't get tired of waiting for me.... :)

The only cracks in the outhouse would be the ones in the walls.  ;)  Good thing I built a spare on the first floor.  That way I will not be completely out of buisness.
 
Yep I think my plate is getting awfully full and it is only the beginning of the year.   [waiting]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 04, 2012, 06:40:28 AM
The old outhouse my grandparents had was a three hole'r John.  [scared]

I somehow just could not picture myself in there with two other people and doing my morning constitutional while casually discussing the weather, crops etc.....  I wonder how business like that was really conducted back in the day?  [noidea'

Yet, a three hole'r does seem to show some semblance of luxury and class.... so much more elegant than a simple one hole'r.  [waiting]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 12, 2012, 03:32:17 PM
Busy,Busy Weekend at Redoverfarm or at least for it's residents.  Just thought I would give you a taste or for some remind you what it was/is like with kids.  Just to think it is only beginning for the summer.

Started off on Friday evening with the chidren playing a benefit concert for the McClintic Public Library at the Marlinton Opera House.  The Library has been furnishing rooms for the music students to practice and have their weekly jam sessions.  So this was a way to pay them back for all they do for the community.  Raised approximately $1,500.00.  Here is a few videos of that.

This first song is an old (1699 AD )Celtic waltz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EREU09Ig18&feature=plcp&context=C4686c11VDvjVQa1PpcFMKHPRVUZuRL182ezx7gakxnmxSY5wohzo=

This is an Irish song written in about 1922

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqQCXDd0FlA&feature=plcp&context=C4999a40VDvjVQa1PpcFMKHPRVUZuRLwAnJFz8phvJGM5FE1_XMEI=

And I don't want to forget the girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij7Iie3hwJc&feature=plcp&context=C4a0cdbaVDvjVQa1PpcFMKHPRVUZuRL-nYwQyDljxmWzE5pfEVjsw=

Well onto Saturday morning with a trip to the National Radio Astronomy Observatory for the county Science Field Day Competition.  No ribbons this year .  But my little girl is already a winner.

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Rush, Rush Rush.  Next stop was the annual Ham, Bacon and Egg sale by the FFA & 4H members.  There was 51 children presenting their Ham's, Bacon and Egg projects.  Again the community is behind our youth by purchasing their entries pieces to the tune of approximately $23,500.00. [shocked]

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The Grand Champion Ham weighed 25.45# and sold for $34 # Totaling $865.00
The Grand Chamion Bacon weighed 9.5# and sold for $71# Totaling $674.00
The AAA (Grand Champion) eggs by the dozen sold for $400

Believe it or not Steven's bacon was the Grand Chamion Winner.  A total shock to him as this was not one of the best pigs he had raised. 

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This was my daughters first year with 4H Ham & Bacon.  Her exhibits won her a "Choice "award on her ham and "Prime" on her bacon which was the opposit side of the hog from her brothers. But the bacon which was 7.3# SOLD FOR $31 @ #  Just about all she could do holding the 26# ham    Notice her brother is "ready and waiting" for a quick recovery in case she drops it before it is sold. ;D

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Well it is now Monday and back to work from all that relaxation.  Started cutting the right of way for the road at the house.  Probably managed to clear 700 feet of the 1500ft of trees.  They ranges from 6'-18".  Doesn't seem that much distance but on a hill side I feel that I made pretty good progress.  If the weather holds out I may get the rest done tomarrow baring any unexpected problems.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Pine Cone on March 12, 2012, 05:17:21 PM
Great news!

I really enjoyed Steven's tunes. 

Pretty nice to end up with the prize bacon as well.

Steven better keep an eye on Emily though... she might be gaining on him!

Sounds like a great weekend.   At least to to relax afterwards cutting that right-of-way timber  d*
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: duncanshannon on March 12, 2012, 06:04:49 PM
Whoah. Thats some expensive ham and bacon... whats the story??
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 12, 2012, 06:15:47 PM
Whoah. Thats some expensive ham and bacon... whats the story??

And they say everything is bigger and better in Texas.   [waiting]  No seriously that is my son & daughters 4H & FFA project.  They each raise a pig which is shown and sold each year.  Then they raise another one which they butchered where they cure the hams and bacons and then sell them at auction held annually in which local buisness owners bid. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: OlJarhead on March 13, 2012, 04:27:09 AM
Oh how I wish!!!

Great show -- if I could learn to make ham...... [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: mgramann on March 13, 2012, 04:52:59 AM
Very  [cool] Redover!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Don_P on March 13, 2012, 06:56:16 PM
And I'm here to tell you, that is some excellent bacon  :)  That is quite the ham! Good show [cool]

Our big culinary experiment for the weekend, well we don't exactly have mozzarrella down yet but if anyone needs a new form of rubber I think we have a winner.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 14, 2012, 03:17:59 AM
And I'm here to tell you, that is some excellent bacon  :)  That is quite the ham! Good show [cool]

Our big culinary experiment for the weekend, well we don't exactly have mozzarrella down yet but if anyone needs a new form of rubber I think we have a winner.

Glad you enjoyed it.  Last year was so much better as it was smoked and a little leaner.  With Emily joining in the mix this year we didn't get a slab smoked. :(  Let me know how you like the sausage.  What I have had is excellent. 

The cheese oh yes.  I love cheese but not enough to have a milk cow and process it.   ;).  There is a friend that milks and my son has grown to love raw milk.  At $2 a gallon it is a realo bargin.  But most people would turn their nose up at raw milk because it is not pasturized and homogenized.  IMO you can not beat homemade cottage cheese.  Keep trying and eventually you will put "laughing cow" out of buisness. 

Well off to the woods.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 14, 2012, 11:27:56 AM
Day three of clearing the road site at the house.  The logger came by to see how I was getting along with the right-of-way.  After we walked it I have a few more trees that I have to take out. In fact about 10-15 more.    :(.  I was hoping that he would get started tomarrow but it looks like Friday now.  Hey I made it all the way to the barn at the house though.  All 1500 feet of standing on your head.   d*

Here is a shot from the top.  Looks like a mess.  It was so thick that the only open area to fall the trees was in the roadway itself. Also I didn't have gravity of the hillside to pull them over the bank.

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I was sort of hoping that I wouldn't have to cut this one.  You can see the size reference to the 20" Chainsaw.  Worse part is that once upon a time the farmer used this for a fence post with woven wire.  The wire is embedded about 10-12" inside the tree.  I will try to cut it high and push the stump out. Picture quality has a lot to be desired  ( Out of breath).  There is another one not in the picture on the lower side and the logger said one has to go.  This one is the worst of the two healthwise. What you don't see is that it is a double tree with each side being the same size.  I would imagine widthwise on the double side it is about 36-40" wide.

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OH NO

Well you have that kind of thing on a big job.   ;)  Where is Ax Men when you need them.  Yes I could cut the tree that the forks surround but a safer option is to pull it with the dozier.  I should get 6 points on this one.  There was a gap on either side but the wind was blowing and maybe it attributed to the misalignmet  ;D

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Here is a shot at the landing which will be 100 ft X 200Ft at the top. The logger say's " why so small".  I am not going into the logging buisness just some place to stage logs and cut them up.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on March 16, 2012, 03:02:20 PM
1.  Great music.  :)   I am a big fan of Irish music which provides the roots for Appalachian folk music.

2.  Good show on the ham & bacon.

3.  Your part of the road work in looking good. That is a whole lot of work.

Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 16, 2012, 03:07:15 PM
Broke ground on the road today.  In fact in 7 hrs the complete road was "punched" open, one large landing was cleared and a smaller landing was cleared.  Just goes to show you what an experienced dozier/logger operator can do in his own environment.  There were several times I thought he would have to stop and clean his britches but he never missed a stroke. Monday will be a hard day.  He will bring his skidder and guess who will be hooking the choker to drag the fallen logs to the landing.  ;D   Once the logs are skidded to the landing the road will be finished.  The banks will be tapered back, drainage ditch, water breaks installed and road widened.    Here is a few pictures of todays accomplishment.  I have got a video of that monster tree being felled but I will post it tomarrow due tot he download time involved.

The beginning at the barn/house.  This is the only portion of the complete project that can be seen from the house or to the public'

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Halfway up the road looking back to the house.

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Top Half

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Large Landing with the larger logs that were taken off the landing.

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Small Landing

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Dozier in action with a 18" White Oak.


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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 16, 2012, 03:17:10 PM
1.  Great music.  :)   I am a big fan of Irish music which provides the roots for Appalachian folk music.

2.  Good show on the ham & bacon.

3.  Your part of the road work in looking good. That is a whole lot of work.

It is always good when the children are preforming.  Had a good time.  Both children were pleased with the outcome of their effort. Yes there is a lot work.  Just cutting the 50 or so trees on a steep grade about did me in but as the guy says " I am halfway through now and I can't quit"  ;)  Steven accidently missed the bus today  ;) so he was a big help.  Can't beat youth.    Note to self " have wife pick up another bottle of Ibuprofen"
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on March 16, 2012, 07:51:41 PM
Looking good John. Is all that wood fire wood or did you get any saw logs out of it? Not asking for me of course cause I can only get over there when it is snowing to beat the band or the Loudermilks are in town and then not often enough. ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 17, 2012, 01:37:30 AM
Looking good John. Is all that wood fire wood or did you get any saw logs out of it? Not asking for me of course cause I can only get over there when it is snowing to beat the band or the Loudermilks are in town and then not often enough. ;D

Chuck the majority of this will be firewood.  There are some good saw logs in the bunch but I am not sure what kind of shape they will be in by the time I get them to the landing.  There was just no good way to remove them before punching the road.  Unlike logging where you punch the road and then cut the trees.  I guess I will see once I pull them out and get them to the top.  The majority I'm not sure that I would want to saw after they are dug out and slid through the dirt.  But we will see.  Let you know the next pickin date.  Looks like mid May.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on March 17, 2012, 03:45:16 AM
I guess I will see once I pull them out and get them to the top.  The majority I'm not sure that I would want to saw after they are dug out and slid through the dirt.  But we will see.  Let you know the next pickin date.  Looks like mid May.

I had hoped to get over this month to get some ramps before they are all gone or too leafy but it will either have to be next week end or April. I'll try and keep Mid May in mind for the pickin. I have a set of log tongs if you need to borrow them to skid those logs behind your tractor but it might be better to use a skidder or the dozer if you have those available to you. I'm working on getting a F650 truck from work. We have a 98 model.diesel with about 65K milles on it. The injectors were just replaced by Ford and the Co has written it off so I think I can get it for a pretty good price. It was just inspected. Just waiting for the replacement truck to arrive which is supposed to be sometime in April. It has a 16 foot flat bed and a lift gate on it. Not sure what i would do with the lift gate but will have to figure it out.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 17, 2012, 06:32:03 AM
Chuck thanks for the offer on the tongs.  I have decided to go ahead and pull them with the skidder.  Some of them are going to be difficult and although it may be possible with the tractor it is also possible that I may do damage to the bucket cylinders.  I think it is money well spent at $55 hr.  Some of the logs are substantial and I would just be more comfortable.  You will have to stop on teh way over/back and inspect the progress. ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 21, 2012, 03:39:40 AM
Well I think it is time to let my son start standing on his own two feet.  Monday we looked at and purchased a 2006 Chevrolet and traded off his little D50.  Although the D50 was good for his first vehicle it just didn't have any room and wasn't that dependable.  Since he has more or less a full time job in the winter and summer months I felt it was time.  Of Course Dad had to cosign but I really don't feel that there is any risk involved. ;)  He needed to start establishing some credit.  The truck was a one owner with 48K mileage. 

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Now off to the road building.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on March 21, 2012, 04:56:23 PM
Nice PU for the young man.  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on March 21, 2012, 05:40:50 PM
 [cool] I have the same truck but mine has 148 K miles.  ;D Dad and I are headed over Saturday. Probabaly will come back Williams River Road. Don't worry if you already have  plans. We will probably stop and if you are home we will see you and if not we won't .
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 21, 2012, 06:20:49 PM
[cool] I have the same truck but mine has 148 K miles.  ;D Dad and I are headed over Saturday. Probabaly will come back Williams River Road. Don't worry if you already have  plans. We will probably stop and if you are home we will see you and if not we won't .

Not sure about Saturday yet.  Daughter has a Basketball game in Monterey sometime (am/early pm).  Then headed to Frankford for some Saturday Jam Session later that evening.   ;D  Stop by if you can maybe between the engagements. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 21, 2012, 06:31:39 PM
Nice PU for the young man.  [cool]

Yes he has worked hard and continues to so in way he's earned it.  But there is something wrong with this picture.  Mom & Dad's s are 2004 & 1999.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on March 22, 2012, 10:31:29 AM
Yes he has worked hard and continues to so in way he's earned it.  But there is something wrong with this picture.  Mom & Dad's s are 2004 & 1999.

Time to trade up.  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on March 22, 2012, 03:16:25 PM
Not sure about Saturday yet.  Daughter has a Basketball game in Monterey sometime (am/early pm).  Then headed to Frankford for some Saturday Jam Session later that evening.   ;D  Stop by if you can maybe between the engagements.

Not sure what time we will be coming through as I really don't like Dad driving after dark but no way we can make the trip in a day with out that happening. Probably won't see you this trip if you are headed to Frankford. If we by some chance head back earlier we will check on you, otherwise maybe sometime in May.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 22, 2012, 04:31:38 PM
Not sure what time we will be coming through as I really don't like Dad driving after dark but no way we can make the trip in a day with out that happening. Probably won't see you this trip if you are headed to Frankford. If we by some chance head back earlier we will check on you, otherwise maybe sometime in May.
 

Probably will not leave until around 7PM for Frankford.  Yes it is a long trip and hard to get it all in a day especially taking time to enjoy your ramps.  ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 22, 2012, 04:44:57 PM
Finally the hardest part is done on the road.  Still plenty to do but not as strenuous as this past week.  :)

Here is the last load of logs heading to the landing.  I had contimplated using my tractor to skid the logs but soon came to my senses. ;)  If my tractor breaks I PAY and if his skidder breaks HE PAYS.  There is also the amount of time saved.

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This is the larger landing and the logs that were cleared from the road in addition to the ones from the landing that I had posted earlier.  I left the 4 wheeler and chain saw in the the pictures to give you some idea of the size logs and the amount that were landed.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on March 22, 2012, 05:44:34 PM
It sure beats pulling them one at a time. I talked with Dad this evening and we are going to leave lexington around 8:00 am Saturday. I'm hoping the weather won't be too bad to be out and about. He said he didn't think he could walk up the mountains very well so I guess we're going to have to find some close to the road. ;D  I know where some are but I'm not sure I can get across the river to get to them. I hope we get to see you guys but like I said if not then next trip.
CHUCK
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 25, 2012, 06:43:24 AM
Pretty common site around here this time of the year.  I would expect a bumper crop of Turkeys this fall with the mild winter that we experienced.  Just a short drive this morning we saw about 6 flocks in the fields near the house.  The largest was about 40 birds.   Here is a picture taken from the house of a Gobbler sharing space with some deer.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on March 25, 2012, 08:31:29 AM
We have been over run with turkeys, so far this year.I have never seen so many in my entire life.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 26, 2012, 01:50:18 PM
I've got grass.  Or should I rephrase to say "I'm getting grass".  No big deal you say.  Well considering that there was no top soil and the majority of the ground is groundhog shale I think it is coming along real well.  I didn't plant it until late fall of last year.  But it may be short lived when it becomes dry.  Top soil is the retention of moisture and without it there may not be much come late summer.

On another note.  The phoebe's have returned for the 6th year.  Different porch post but one of the family did return.  Earlier this year than previously but I heard someone say we are 4 weeks ahead of where we should be at this time of the year.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on March 26, 2012, 01:58:51 PM
I'll be over to cut grass next week. ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 06, 2012, 12:23:57 PM
Finally got the road finished.  Well for the most part.  Caught a dry spell in this monsoon season.  I still need to sow grass for soil retention.    Installed 5 water gaps on the main run of about 1500 feet.  Probably not enough but it will suffice for now until I can line up the guard rail panels to install for open culverts.  I have a 5 ac field beside the house which had a drainage ditch to rid the water coming off the hill adjacent to barn.  Over the years the groundhogs had burrowed along it to where water would not drain.  So while I had the dozier I recut the ditch.  Maybe 400 feet.  The lower portion of the new road drains in that direction so I figured I would rather be safe than have a swimming pool in my hayfield. ;)

The new generator was delivered on Wednesday to replace the defective one.  Spent part of Thursday re-wiring it to my AGS & Inverter.  Connected the gas supply line.  Need a couple more hours to complete this and I am back in buisness.   :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 18, 2012, 04:09:04 AM
Not much in the way of Dogtrot this past week.  Had other chores which I had to complete at the farm.  Did manage to get the road's final grade done.  I am waiting for some precipitation to settle the soil before I seed the road and embankment.  I did manage to get the drainage ditch and road entrance at the barn seeded and mulched.  Finally some much needed rain arrived this morning to get the grass started.

In the meantime cattle purchased for the summer grazing.  Boy are they high.  I have never seen cattle prices this high before.  In talking to some of the more prominent farmers they were in agreement that the cattle has reached an all time high. So get ready this fall for higher prices at the supermarket.  Here is a picture of three that I bought.  Sorry for the long distance shot but they were a little spoked after their ordeal. Hopefully they will settle down throughout the year.

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Yes it is that time of year again. Picked up the kids annual 4-H/FFA pigs for this years project.  Here is a picture of the little girl.  Straight from the soccer field to the pig pen. 

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: rick91351 on April 18, 2012, 05:48:43 AM
In the meantime cattle purchased for the summer grazing.  Boy are they high.  I have never seen cattle prices this high before.  In talking to some of the more prominent farmers they were in agreement that the cattle has reached an all time high. So get ready this fall for higher prices at the supermarket.

John they are high here as well.  I had to buy some replacement cows and calves this spring and good young stock cows (Angus and Black Baldies)  with 200 - 300 hundred pound calves by their side were running $1600 on up to $1750.  Or they were a couple weeks ago.  Last year I was picking up way, way better cows and calves for $1500 than I am this year for the same price.  They are still good cows, older meaning they will not be with us as long.  (Maybe four or five years before I will have to think about replacing them.)

I did have a bout of auction war blues....  I got in a bidding war with someone and bought a good young big framed cow and calf and went $1750 and laid awake for nights thinking about that.   [waiting]  Oh well Daddy said there would be days like that....   :D  GGRRR!!!  @#$#@$@#O$ -- Stupid!  Well I'm about over it or was until I just relived it!   :-[

Last month here I seen 400 to 500 hundred pound calves selling for $200 plus per hundred weight.  500 - 600 hundred pounders were going for $180 per hundred weight.  I have never in my wildest dreams ever thought or imagined that they could go that high.  A lot of the feed lot buyers and owner - operators  are really starting to get nervous and not buying as heavy as they were.   We here are already seeing a lot of movement in the meat counters my wife and I watch.  Costco I recently noted a huge jump in premium cuts.

There is not a lot of availability in cattle right now.  The Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas drought last year, caused them to take a lot cows to market that never would have went in a normal year.  That of course depleted a lot of herds.  Plus the culling of herds up this way down to nothing due to high hay and feed prices.  This now has reduced beef availability greatly in our area.  Stock cow hay as well as dairy hay both more than doubled in price out here in the west and northwest.  Unless you raise a lot of winter feed or have cheap winter feed available from other sources it is hard to impossible to make ends meet.       
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 18, 2012, 12:57:39 PM
Rick last week at the spring sale 300-400# steers went for $2.00 per pound, 400-500# was $1.65 and 500-600# was $1.50.  Shoot even the heavier stuff in the 700# and above range went for $1.20.  Any heifers close to breeding age of 750# were $1.30.  This was a spring sale so there were no cow/calf pairs but from what I understand you got a good buy by our standards being set here.   

Another thing I noticed that out of approximately 375 head only about 10 head graded out at L1 and the majority were M1.  That is a big decline from previous years.  Larger groups were sold as FG (Farmers Grade) which were not graded individually. 

I just hung around for the single's which were a good bit cheaper.  I couldn't afford the small or large groups anyway at those prices. d*  Just like Vegas it's a gamble whether the prices will stay firm this fall or the bottom will drop.  I would hate to have been the one that bougth 10-15 head at $1.60# and find out this fall they went to $1.15. :(  Their weight gain couldn't even pull them out to break even.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 19, 2012, 03:08:45 AM
I am up and running again at Dogtrot.  Finished re-installing the new generator yesterday and tweaking the AGS and inverter.  Now I do not have any excuse to not vaccume and clean up. ;)  I will go up this morning and see what transpired overnight or whether it had run in my absence.

I did notice an oddity when I recharged the water system.  The shower head did not have very good flow rate.  In the fall (early winter) I drained and blew out the water lines including the shower.  I took the shower head off to investigate.  It has never been used yet.  SAND   ??? or what appeared to be sand was clogging it.  Normally it would be a simple explanation if the well pump was installed too close to the bottom of the well and other spigots experienced the same thing.  But the well is a good 10-15 feet off the bottom so it is doubtful that I am picking up anything.  Cleared that away and run it again w/o the head and into a clear plastic bottle.  I left it sit for several minutes just to see if any more would appear and settle to the bottom.  None. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: mgramann on April 19, 2012, 03:43:36 AM
Have you considered a whole house water filter?  There aren't that expensive, and would be cheap insurance for your fixtures.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 27, 2012, 04:39:04 PM
Well I spoke too soon on the generator.  I have been intermittently trying to get the generator in sync with the inverter charger.  After multiple calls to Magnum Energy and trying different solutions I think it "may" ???  be running the way that it was intended and originally set up.  Apparently when I disconnected the inverter and batteries when I had to send my generator in for repairs I had lost a lot of parameters which I initially set and re-entered them wrong when I re-installed the new generator.  One problem was the internal clock on the generator was not in sync with the AGS (automatic generator start) internal clock.  When I left this evening the inverter controller indicated 49.2 VDC with 92% SOC.  I keep monitoring the voltage to determine exactly where 50% SOC will be so I can further "tweak" the system.

Installed another toilet inthe loft bathroom which I got at the auction last week.  It is a one piece, dual flush similar to the one that froze and broke last fall. 

I did manage to install the two pre-entry doors I had bougth at an auction a short time ago.  I can tell you that Korea has a long way to go in quality control.  Missing parts, miss tapped screw location, incorrect welds and the list goes on.  But as a whole they are pretty heavy built doors which have a deadbolt system and a little modification and figuring out the parts location ( No direction not that I would use them anyway) I got both done without too many left over parts. ;D  There are two reason I bought these doors. One being ventilation (full length glass or full length screens) the other in that it will keep the heavy snow accumulation off of the main entry doors.  These were put on the doors to the deck area on each side of the back foyer.

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Nature never ceases to amaze me.  I noticed that the Teaberry plants were in bloom.  I just never noticed before that they would have to bloom to bare fruit  d*  They bare fruit all winter but only bloom in the spring I guess as I have never seen them bloom in the winter but they have fruit. 

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And a picture in the fall

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop (need a name)
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 08, 2012, 09:37:22 AM
A guest came to see the cabin today.  I don't think I will ever be able to get rid of him.  The problem is that I am not sure what to call him.  Looking for Suggestions?

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Since storage is at a premium at the cabin I thought I would use the table leaf for a shelf in the klitchen. 

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: NavyDave on May 08, 2012, 03:31:01 PM
He looks like a Bob to me....or possibly a Robert?  ;D Great idea on the shelf!  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Bob S. on May 08, 2012, 06:42:57 PM
I woud just call him Kitty.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Pritch on May 19, 2012, 06:43:17 PM
"Bob"
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Don_P on May 20, 2012, 12:48:50 AM
I seem to recall a story about cousin Marcel tangling with one of those wild eyed pussy cats up in a tree while coon hunting. "Just shoot up here amongst us, one of us is bound to get some relief." I bounced a fawn yesterday while mowing, cute little thing I didn't see it till I was on top of it and it finally spooked. Our 110 lb dog thought that looked like something fun to chase. Had to put him away, Mama doe was about to take that big dog out  d*.

Who is in the picture on the wall?
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 22, 2012, 03:48:24 AM
Been a while since I posted on Dogtrot.  So I thought I would catch you up on the happenings.  I decided to name the cat "Miss Kitty".  Sort of goes with the Old Time theme of log houses and Gunsmoke. ;)  So now instead of saying that I am going to the Mountain or the Cabin I just say I am going to see Miss Kitty. ;D

Don_P the picture is a relative of my wifes from years ago I think.  Not real sure but all of her relations say's it Cousin "Issac" from the community of Trout,WV

Started off the 2012 season at the cabin with a music weekend.  Great time as usual.  The evening began on the deck by the outside fireplace.  The weather changes once the sun goes down and the cold and humidity started to affect the instrument strings and the elderly player.  So inside we went.  The fireplace was more than enough to make it comfortable. 

We were priviliged to have the Bing Brothers (This years recepient of the Vandalia award http://www.statejournal.com/story/18581686/bing-brothers-receive-west-virginias-highest-folk-life-honor?clienttype=printable) and Jake Krack , members of Mud Hole Control and a secret Country Plans Member from our sister State as our guest.

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Food was nothing special and sort of like the music it was traditional with Chilli, Cornbread, Pinto beans, French Bread, deserts and liquid refreshments   :)

My daughter wanted to make her contribution to the event so in the afternoon she and I took a short walk and gathered a flower arraignment of wild flowers to garnish the table.

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And here she is with her favorite duties.  You probably remember the little one from last year.

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The Mystery Guest.  I am not sure whether he was an undercover scout from Nashville, food critic from the Food Channel or guest services scout  from Travelocity. But he had talent on the guitar and mandolin so he fit right in.

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Oh Yeah Music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iZF8Etn51o&list=UUeTi-PMcRDvERThoKSowv4w&index=2&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esQSGlOP_aI&feature=channel&list=UL

I have another good one that I am in the process of down loading which will be added a little later.

The festivities concluded on Sunday with your's truely fixing breakfast ( not too early mind you) of Eggs, fried potato's, sausage gravey, buiscuits,

This weekend will be a spectacular one as well.  We travel to Charleston to the State Capitol for the 36th Annual Vandalia Festival where Steven is playing in a concert Friday night at the Cultural Center as a student to http://www.alleghenyechoes.com/index.html which was founded by Mike Bing our good friend.  Then Saturday he is playing two square dances at the Festival with his favorite band "Mud Hole Control". 

 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on May 22, 2012, 09:24:26 AM
Wow, great music!  Looks like fun - now how do I push the "like" button?  Tell you daughter the flower arrangement is beautiful...  and the little guy is a cutie  :)  And of course, your place is spectacular as usual!

You must be really proud of your son  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Don_P on May 22, 2012, 10:42:51 AM
Looks like you all had a fine time  :) Hope to get up that way for some toe tapping sometime. Made the right call, it hit again yesterday. Good luck in the big city, sounds like quite an event. I'm curious, both flowers in your daughter's arrangement go by a couple of names here. Flame azalea is also called honeysuckle by the old timers and the mountain laurel also goes by ivy, do you hear them called both, or other names? Looks like you have the same maidenhair and Christmas ferns we do. We have another beauty, catawba rhododendron, that was fading by last weekend that has been making the woods pretty.
 We went home by another way about a week ago.
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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 22, 2012, 11:29:29 AM
You are right on all counts Don.  We have some rhododendron but mostly laurel.  When I lived near the New River Gorge it was just the opposite.  It is our State Flower.

Hope you get on the mind soon.  You are missing out. :(.  But we will catch you good times later. ;D

Yes this is a busy time of the year for us.  Alot going on all the time.  But before long it will be white and cold again so as they say " make hay while the sunshines".

BTW I got one wall done at the cabin w/solubor.  Managed to get 6 applications on the same logs and then the heavens broke loose.  Gully washer here.  I did think ahead a little and did the front where it was covered by the porch.  They were calling for T.Storms today.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: rick91351 on May 22, 2012, 11:50:25 AM
Sounds like great music, great times and lots of fun....

Don_P's photo is almost as pretty as your daughter! 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on May 22, 2012, 12:18:17 PM
Wow. Good video. Glad you posted. That mystery guest really had a good time! Oops. Might have given that away.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 22, 2012, 03:04:30 PM
Sassy and Rick thanks for the kind words.  Yes we all had a good time. I really don't see how we couldn't.  The best part is that we all came together as friends and when they left we were still friends.   The little one is a girl from Irish decent. I think the hair gives her away.  ;D   She is always surrounded by music and enjoys it as well as the adults. 

Yes Steven has come a long way in a short time.  He has already accomplished more in his youth than the old man has in a lifetime.  I can't wait to see where he goes from here.

Here is another Video taken that night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33YIJl09hLY&list=UUeTi-PMcRDvERThoKSowv4w&index=1&feature=plcp
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 25, 2012, 03:33:03 AM
Now that the festivities are over for the time being I took the oppurtunity to treat the exterior of the cabin for infestation.  I noticed a couple of places that the elusive "powder post beatle's" have found a temporary home by the presence of their dust trails.   :(  I originally treated the logs at the onset of construction in 2006-2007.  You would think that logs over some 100 years in age would not hold any nutritional value but apparently they do.

I used Solubor which Don_P recommended.  Easy to apply with a compressed garden sprayer.  I omitted the anti-freeze from his formula as I was afraid of the discoloration that might occur on the chinking.  The mix was 1-1/2# of solubor @ 1 gallon of water.  I managed to apply approximately 6-8 coatings.  I used approximately 20# of the solubor for a coverage of approximately 800 sq. ft.  The applications were judged by the saturation rate.  If the spray began to run I would wait a few minutes to reapply giving time for it to soak into the wood.  This took approximately 12 hours all together for the treatment.

I recently received the tenon cutter that I had order to make the 90 some ln ft  of rustic railings  :)  .  As soon as I get some other projects out of the way  d*  I hope to get started on them. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 30, 2012, 09:47:31 AM
A little time to play as I wait for things to dry up to finish my outside projects. I mentioned the Tenon Cutter that I ordered so I decided to put it to the test.  I am not quite ready to jump into the railings with both feet but I was curious.  Seems to work pretty good considering the cost of it in comparison to some more expensive models.  I only noticed two downside features.  One being it takes a good amount of horizontal force to push the cutter onto the picket end.  Second being that the there is no individual adjustment of tenon size vs. log diameter.  It is capable of cutting a 4" log (picket) but you end up with a 2" tenon.  Since the majority of the pickets vary from 3-1/2" to 4"  I will be using the 1-1/2" tenon.  I will just drawknife the diameter to accept the cutter width of 4".

There is a 3/8" pilot hole drilled into the picket end to accept the steel tenon cutter guide shaft.  I secured the picket onto a set of saw horses(1) and used a 6"X8"X6' post as weight on the set of homemade horse. Using an adjustable ratchet strap it help it secure enough. 

It took only 25 seconds to cut the 3-5/8" picket.  But I am sure that the feed rate will be much slower with repetition. With some nearly 90 feet of railings to make that is almost guarenteed.  Oh BTW the picket weight has nearly decreased by some 50% from when I peeled them. 

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on June 04, 2012, 02:02:37 PM
I think I'm going to miss the openness of the front porch once you put the railings on....
 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 04, 2012, 02:45:00 PM
I think I'm going to miss the openness of the front porch once you put the railings on....

Chuck I have been debating that decision as well.  I am going to concentrate on the stair and loft railings first.  Maybe that will give me more time to decide. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 07, 2012, 03:23:46 PM
Spent the majority of the day laying out the railings on the stairs.  Not an easy task.  Finally got the newell post scribed and in place.  Generally I usually don't have a problem scribing but with the angle of the stair stringer it just didn't want to come together. Finally got a decent fit.  Working with logs on angles and varing demensions is a learning process.  The railings varied from 3-1/2 to 4-1/2" and the pickets were mainly 3 and 3-1/2".  Not the straightest pieces but what do you expect gathering up along the roadside during a highway improvement project.  But they were free.  Another problem was finding center on the rails to drill the angled tenion pockets.  By the time I get the inside done I might forgo the porch railings. We'll see.  Unlike conventional lumber trying to get square and plumb is a real chore.  Now I will sand, stain, finish and then assemble.  But that will have to wait.  It's drying out here so back outside until a rainy day.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 11, 2012, 04:59:55 PM
The last several days have been without rain and sunny.  I took advantage and started seeding the landings and road up to the top of the mountain behind the house.  So far I have both landings and 500 feet of road seeded and mulched down.  I only have another 1,000 feet or so left to do. :(   The roadway inclusive of the sloped embankment, road and overburden area is about 25-30' wide.  I am using 800-1,000 # round haybales for mulch.  So far I have went through 6 bales or approximately 4.800-6,000 pounds of hay.  Don't have any problems unrolling them just headem down hill and give them a push.   d*   No not really.  I use the tractor forks to hold them back. Once the roll is completely rolled out I use a pitch fork and hands to distribute the hay.

The seed that I am using is a formulation developed for West Vaco Pulp and Paper company for reseeding harvested land.  It contains about 8-10 different varieties of seed which have proven to have the best soil retention qualities.  We'll see.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: NavyDave on June 18, 2012, 07:25:58 AM
Red, how long did you let the logs for your railings season for? I'm thinking about making my own also. I really like that rustic look and I have large stand of pines that need thinning at my place. They make some really nice railing at a local lumber yard for $10 a linear foot  but I figured since I need to do some thinning anyway I might as well save some money by killing 2 birds with one stone.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 18, 2012, 03:55:49 PM
Red, how long did you let the logs for your railings season for? I'm thinking about making my own also. I really like that rustic look and I have large stand of pines that need thinning at my place. They make some really nice railing at a local lumber yard for $10 a linear foot  but I figured since I need to do some thinning anyway I might as well save some money by killing 2 birds with one stone.

Dave the railings is a dirty word to me today.  I have been struggling to put up the stair railings today.  All day and still not there.  So many variables to them that things are not working out correctly. I guess using less than completely straight and uniform diameters doesn't help.  The straight sections of the railing should be a snap compared to these. But then again I have to get a little inventitive as they butt up to my stone fireplace flu.  I love a challange ;)

To your original question now that I have vented.  I peeled the logs in March 2011 where they have air dried covered since then.  I started using them around the first of the month and they appeared to be dry.  They probably had lost 1/3-1/2 of their original weight.  Really light in comparison to when I peeled them.  So basicly 12 months .  They varied from 3-6" diameter.  They will check but that is OK with me as it adds a little character and does not effect their strength.  There is a lot of work involved to get them to the competed stage.  So if time is money you might be better off buying the pre-made ones.  But if you want to make a go of it and have something to do on the rainy days you might try.  I am often accused of being cheap but I like to refer to it as being frugal.
 ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: OlJarhead on June 18, 2012, 04:07:28 PM
Very nice tenon!  I'm having a VERY tough time with the Logman Tenon cutter.  It works but I cannot get a decent tenon on my balusters.  Seems the fact that they are not perfectly straight could be the issue but the cutter tends to turn them into 'screws' almost.

Perhaps cranking up the router speed will work??
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 18, 2012, 04:41:53 PM
Very nice tenon!  I'm having a VERY tough time with the Logman Tenon cutter.  It works but I cannot get a decent tenon on my balusters.  Seems the fact that they are not perfectly straight could be the issue but the cutter tends to turn them into 'screws' almost.

Perhaps cranking up the router speed will work??

The key might be one of two things or a combination.  If it has a guide made sure that the pilot hole is dead center and the piece is kept level while feeding.  The other may be the feed rate.   Even with my patience   d* some of mine are not exactly straight either and I would probably attribute it to poor centering.  Hope you are not making stair railings. ;D

I was pleasently surprised at the tenon cutter.  For the price it worked exceptional.  Only drawback is that it takes a lot of horizontal force at times.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Pine Cone on June 18, 2012, 05:30:53 PM
Very nice tenon!  I'm having a VERY tough time with the Logman Tenon cutter.  It works but I cannot get a decent tenon on my balusters.  Seems the fact that they are not perfectly straight could be the issue but the cutter tends to turn them into 'screws' almost.

Perhaps cranking up the router speed will work??
I found the Logman tenon cutter worked best if I used a very slow feed speed.  I also ended up using a guide block attached about 2 feet in front of the tenon cutter to help me keep the sticks somewhat straight.  If you keep a consistent height above the guide block you end up with decent tenons.  The pencil-sharpener type sold by Lee Valley is easier to control, but the Logman works OK with a guide block.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 20, 2012, 03:12:41 PM
Well the stair ralings are finished and installed.  Not some of my better work.  I learned alot about stair railings which didn't enter into the making until I went to assemble them.  Part of the problems was that all the pickets were cut the same length.  The railing handrails were not straight.  So some had bottomed out and others had not. This did not alloow me to fine tune the plumb of the pickets.  I could have also taken more time to percisely drill the handrail holes to accept the tenons on exact verticle.  I thought I had but freehanding stair railings there are too much room for error.  Nothing I could do other than re-make them custom to the measurement.  Then I said hey  " it's a log cabin".  Still have the landing railings to do but they are level so I don't anticipate any problems other than having time to do them. 

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Had a visitor at the cabin before I got there this morning.  I met him coming off the hill of the cabin but not before he left his calling card in the driveway.  So what they say about " bears in the woods" is not true they also use the driveway.   He wouldn't pose for a photograph.   I would say he was last years cub weighing in at about 150#

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: NavyDave on June 22, 2012, 04:27:37 AM
Red
those railings really look great. Would you say that if you cut every one as you installed them that it would have went smoother for you? I really like that look and would like to give it a go on my porches and lofts/stairs also.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on June 23, 2012, 01:22:03 AM
They look good John. I wonder how the girls are going to see the musicians when they are sitting on the steps watching. LOL You might need to build some booster seats to set on the steps !
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 23, 2012, 03:22:10 AM
NavyDave  there are several factors you want to consider and apply when making the stair railings.  Pick the straightest rail poles, layout the rail poles up the stairs with the correct rail spacing (4") from the floor and what heigth you want from floor to top rail.  Make sure that the heigth of the rails give you uniform picket length.  Layout of the picket holes is crucial that they lay dead center in the top and bottom rails with the required or recommended 4" spacing of the pickets.  Determine the angle of the pickets using a sliding bevel square.  You need to transfer this to a guide block to make sure that all the pickets will be uniform plumb.  With mine being 11 feet long I had to free hand the picket holes and despite my best efforts some got a little off. Hindsight being 20/20 I should have developed a better drilling jig.  Maybe a 4"X4" with a angled picket hole that could be set on the rail and the drill bit passing through that to the rails.  But that only works for a short period of time until the cutter head of the forstner bit passes through the guide block.  I am sure you can come up with something similar. 

If you purchase a tenon cutter it is best to get a beveled tenon cutter for the stairs.  The 90 deg shoulder ones will not allow any adjustment as the shoulder will hit on the rails with a stair angle.  With the tenon cutter I had it gave me a 2" tenon but even then the angle of the stairs took the majority of that tenion to secure the picket to the rail with very little of the tenon being visible.  Straight landing railings should be rather simple and straight forward.

As far as the layout and assembly  Once you determine the length of the pickets (some may vary) I cut the pickets and used a level to place them at plumb and spaced (4" ) apart and marked that location on the rails for the picket holes. I marked the ends (numerical) from top to bottom to insure which pickets went where because they are different diameters.  Assembly is best to place one picket in the end and work the pickets into the holes one at a time to the other end.  That will let you gradually lower the top rail over the pickets enough to hold in position.  Working by myself there was no way I could set the rail over the 16 pickets at once.  I secured some of the pickets to the rails by angling a few 2" deck screws through the tenon and rail.  I found that passby attachment of the rail to the newell post is alot easier than trying to accurately tenon the rails to the newell post.

ChuckinVa  yeah it will narrow down the additional seating some.  With the loft railings it will be even more spectator space absorbed.  Maybe I will have to set some more chairs up on the porch and deck and let them peak through the windows. ;). 

 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: NavyDave on June 23, 2012, 03:48:02 AM
Red, Thanks for the railing tutorial. It's a ways off for me yet since my rails have yet to be cut but you broke it down pretty well. I'm sure i'll have a few more questions when that time comes.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 29, 2012, 09:39:58 AM
Well I finished the railings today. I thinks it is just as hard to clean up as it was to install them.   d*  I had the two loft sections on both sides of the fireplace.  What I thought would be straight forward wasn't so much.  But in an effort to make it more appealing I dropped a section of the post below the floor level.  That just complicated the install.  Anyway that's finished.  I couldn't get back far enough with my camera to get both sections in one picture. 

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on June 29, 2012, 11:11:24 AM
Looks great.Real rustic looking.I'm think 1700's frontier house.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on June 29, 2012, 12:47:47 PM
Very cool John!!   :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop (WHAT A WEEK)
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 06, 2012, 04:23:29 PM
Well I made it back.  Well partly anyway.  Probably wasn't missed as much as I missed seeing the progress others have been making.  The storm hit this area pretty hard.  But I must count my blessings.  We arrived home late Friday June 29th to find this which was just the tip that I could see inthe dark.

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I think I mentioned my friend that passed away in December that had a cabin on the mountain pass mine.  Anyway his wife and family had driven 4 hours to spend a week at his cabin only to find that the road was blocked by a tree.  So they let themselves into the house all 8 and sacked out on the floor and couches.  I told her that there were probably a few more down and that me and Steven would cut the road open inthe AM.  So the next morning we set off and begin cutting. Little did we know that the complete 6 mile road was littered with down trees.  They ranged from 6" to 24".  Well approximately 2/3 of the distance we got re-enforcements.  A volunteer fire department joined our struggle and after 8 hours of removing approximately 70 trees were made it to the top.  Thank goodness that all the trees that fell along the route did not land on the road.  The forest was war zone. 

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When we returned home our task was not complete,  I had a large hickory that fell over the cattle fence which had to be cut and the fence repaired as well as a downed Cherry trees which had to be removed before the cattle could eat the toixic wilted leaves.  Oh well the standby Generator did it's part and has been running intermittently for the last 7 days.  We are still without power and according to all reports will be until at least Sunday.   Hope everyone is well and weathered the storm on.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Don_P on July 07, 2012, 12:20:56 PM
Hey John,
I was wondering how y'all weathered the storms, it sounds like you got hit harder than us. I started a thread titled "High wind" on the general board ,I think, last Sat before we winked out. Spent the night on the porch at work after trees blocked the road, wow what a nightime game trail :). We got power back Thursday night, friends down the road phoned last night that they were lined up for showers and enjoying fresh water. Devildog up in C-burg checked in yesterday. I don't think I've seen Chuck on yet. We lost a few trees but in better shape than many. I'm starting to find some fried electronics, we must have gone out with a pop. I guess it might be time to update the stereo/ phonograph/cassette deck  ;D Darn, now what to play "Old and in the way" on.

Edit;
Cool, this computer is back up, I wrote the above on the offline business machine, this one was acting up. We seem to be getting lines uncrossed. They say we'll get a break in the weather midweek.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 07, 2012, 02:59:48 PM
Don we are making it as most in this area.  Still a lot of outages.  As of today Sat/PM we still do not have power.  Thank goodness for the generator.  Now if I could just put it on a diet.  So far in the last 8 days I have burned about 125 gal's of propane.  That is intermitently not even solid running.  Seems that these long outages happen at the worst of times.  Either in the dead of winter with snow up to your waist or the hottest days in summer lingering around 100 all week.  I am having more problems from the heat than the outage.  Get in about 5-6 hours in the early AM and then it gets so hot that you can't seem to get anything done.  They anticipate the power to be restored on Monday.  If that is the case it will be one day longer than the last major outage of 9 days.

I talked to Chuck a couple days after the storm and he said the power outage was their biggest problem in conjunction with the high temperature's. 

Yes we have plenty of firewood down.   Some that required immediate attention I got taken care of and the rest will just have to wait a while.  As far as the electronics even with a compatable power source it is not constant with a generator and they struggle as well.  Just hoping that the frig doesn't decide to commit suicide. ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 07, 2012, 08:08:46 PM
Wow... looks like you guys really got it out east, John.  Hope all goes well as it can considering. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Pine Cone on July 08, 2012, 10:16:37 AM
Looks like at lot of work, but at least you were prepared.  So much for relaxing holiday weekend...  Glad everyone is OK and damage isn't too bad.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 09, 2012, 08:41:28 AM
Back to normal at the house.  Well the best normal can be under the circumstances.  We got our power on last night at 9PM.  So if you were counting it was 9 day and 1 hour since it went out.  I'm not sure which is the worst, the storm or the clean up afterwards.  I have managed to get most of the trees out of the pasture and hayfield.  There is still a lot to clean up but there is not an urgency.

The wife took a couple of extra days off work following the 4th.  I made good use of her on Thursday cutting up and splitting the cherry tree off the barn roof.  She stacked while I split.  So that job is done and I guess you could say we killed two birds with one stone by getting in the firewood for next year and working up the tree off the barn and out of the yard.  It wasn't really her idea of a vacation but she never complained. 

Dogtrot faired really well during the storm.  A lot of limb/leaf tips over the yard but most of the tree's held their ground.  I did have one large semi-rotten Chestnut Oak about 18" dia fall at the corner of the yard but it went into Virginia when it went.  That one I will not have to clean up with about a 16/12  slope.   ;)

With the hot weather the grass has really did well on the new road at the house.  I had a couple trees fall over the road but got them off this morning.  A couple more on top but the sky looked sort of black with thunder/lightning so I figure why push my luck. 

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on July 09, 2012, 08:49:16 PM
Glad everything's getting back to normal Red,  guess you didn't need all the extra work, but hey, you & the wife got to work together gettin the firewood in  :)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on July 12, 2012, 05:30:14 PM
I'm glad to hear that you received no serious damage, John. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 13, 2012, 01:19:01 AM
I'm glad to hear that you received no serious damage, John.

Yes Don it could have been a lot worse.  Some in the vicinity were not as lucky.

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 The tree damage was severe enough but add the unusual heat and lack of electricity made things a little uncomfortable.  I did sustain a broken little toe when a chunk of wood fell on my foot but that like everything else will heal in time.  It will take years to get everything cleaned up that is down in the woods and maybe I will never get to it all.  I spoke to the National Forest Ranger in charge of this region and she is offering free firewood permits in an attempt to clean up the roads managed by them.  Maybe even open some closed areas for clean up. 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Don_P on July 13, 2012, 02:06:03 AM
I hope they do open it up, wish it were for a little longer lengths. I'm driving by a tangle of good timber on the one side of the road and a disabled woman's driveway who will never be able to afford a house on the other side :-\

If it was the big toe at the ball on the foot, I don't know if they can do anything but it might be worth getting it looked at. It does more to your walk than you would think.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 16, 2012, 11:26:25 AM
Enjoying the fruits of my labor.  Saturday evening Dogtrot hosted my wife's Birthday Party.  Weather was unpredictable for using the deck so thank goodness for the 8' covered porch.  Made outside grilling a little easier than holding an umbrella.   Anyway my 10 year old daughter has been put in charge of the menu posting on the cabin events.  The slate is a portion of blackboard from my mothers high school where she graduated in 1950.  The school was torn down many years ago but I picked it up at an auction near where it once stood in Green Bank.  The frame is a hay hook used in a barn loft when they used to store bulk hay in the loft. 

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As always everyone had a good time.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on July 16, 2012, 03:40:54 PM
I'm startin to see a pattern on the drink menu...
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 16, 2012, 04:40:04 PM
I'm startin to see a pattern on the drink menu...

Yep I always try to keep water on hand at the cabin. ;)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on July 17, 2012, 05:39:34 PM
Yep I always try to keep water on hand at the cabin. ;)

I was referring to the pop. ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Hillbilly9691 on July 17, 2012, 06:17:30 PM
GREAT PICS!! Hope to see more soon!   [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 07, 2012, 05:49:51 PM
Not much going on at Dogtrot.  I am now working on various projects around the house that I have neglected during the Dogtrot cabin construction.  I managed to lay 4 more feet of stone on the fireplace flue.  I had extra stone from the initial installation.  I had to order additional stone to match what I originally purchased and it will be a week or so until I receive it via motor freight.  I probably had enough of small stone to do the rest but it would have not looked right adjoining the lower 2/3.  I drew up a set of plans for a ladder bracket and gave it to my friend who is a welder.  He is going to fabricate the brackets out of aluminum for me.  I am going to affix them to the back of the flue atop the shed roof.  This will enable me to use a step ladder to the shed roof and then walk behind the flue and climb up the permanent installed extension ladder to clean out the flue periodically.  It will not be seen from any direction except on the roof.  I just can't manuver the 40' extension ladder myself anymore.

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This past weekend the family took a little mini-vacation and went to a music festival at Washington Carver State Park, Clifftop,WV.  There were probably 4,000 people of which I would say 3,000 were overnight campers.  Yes we were among them.  Great music .  In the evenings there were smaller sessions throughout the campsites and Steven was right in there but mostly with the musicians that he normally plays with.  Well after roughing it ( I had forgot what that meant) in a tent and sleeping bag for two nights (doubtful that my back will ever forgive me) I decided enough was enough. I just happened to take a look at some campers on Craigslist.  Low and behold there was something that fit the bill and was reasonably priced.  I found a 2003 Starcraft which was in mint condition.  It had only been used one time.  The AC, frig and furnace had never been used. Actually it looked brand new on the interior.   So after the 45 mile trip I am the proud owner of a Pop-up camper.  AT 2K($) I don't think I got hurt too bad.  I told the wife that we could probably use it as overflow housing at the cabin if needed.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 14, 2012, 04:05:25 AM
Still chipping away at my projects at Redoverfarm.  Trying to beat the winter. ;)   I received my stone shipment on Friday.  The company no longer sells direct to the customer as they had in the past.  So this means I had to pay retail in comparison to what I purchased before direct from the factory.  Ouch!.  I paid about 2/3 for this small shipment (120 sq ft) as I had on my original purchase.

Anyway that's life (I guess) .  My ladder brackets are finished and waiting for my shipment of  wedge bolts needed for mounting the ladder. Originally I wanted to put stainless steel wedge bolts but at a price of $32 each I quickly decided on galvanized at $8 each.   I managed to get about 1/2 of the stone laid on the flue extension in the last couple of days.  Time consuming in that there is a lot of climbing up/down the scaffolding.  Thank goodness for the tractor in that I was able to lift the mortar and stone the majority of the heigth.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 24, 2012, 03:47:40 PM
One more project marked off my list.  This one has lingered since October, 2007.  Finished the stone work on the extended flue.  In addition I added the ladder on the back side to make it easier to clean the flue out.  As you can see it is not really that noticable except from the roof.  So the only person that will see it will be Santa Claus.   ;)

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The ladder mounted to the flue.

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Mounting bracket.  There are two of these. One on the bottom rung and the other on the top rung.  Stainless "U" bolts affix the rung to the bracket.

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ColchesterCabin on August 24, 2012, 05:21:27 PM
now thats just clever out of sight but very practical, props.  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on August 24, 2012, 06:03:35 PM
Great idea.  Looks like the 16 ft Werner I got for the cabin from Lowe's.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: rick91351 on August 25, 2012, 01:10:47 AM
 ??? WOW you mean you have to clean those things now and then?   ;D   ;)     
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 25, 2012, 01:43:43 AM
Great idea.  Looks like the 16 ft Werner I got for the cabin from Lowe's.

Thats exactly what it is Don.  I kept watching some estate auctions postings but never saw one listed.  Wouldn't you know that after I bought it I went to one and low and behold they had one that only sold for $45.  I had already bought this one. Go figure.  Oh well it wasn't too expensive . d*
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: o-leander on August 25, 2012, 05:03:12 AM
Yes!  Very nice idea and execution.   [cool]  almost makes me want to build a chimney.... almost  ;D
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 26, 2012, 05:19:25 AM
Took a break from the projects today.  The chilldren had their annual County Fair to show/sale their 4H/FFA project livestock.   There were about 42 participants which showed Cattle, pigs, lambs and goats.  The Grand Champion steer sold for $2.25 per # weighing 1390#.  Although my children did not place above 3rd place(each) they were well pleased with the outcome.  Steven did receive top honor of Senior Showmanship of all the participants.    Here is a few pictures of the days acivities.

Bath time

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Heading to the Barber shop.

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Just a little trim please.

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Strutting our stuff.

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Our rewards.

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The livestock sale which followed in the evening paid out approximately $34,000 dollars to the participants from local buisness owners. That seems like a lot of money but in reality considering the transportation during the summer, feed, medication it was more of a learning experience.  A good day for all.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: OlJarhead on August 26, 2012, 05:21:07 AM
Excellent!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: rick91351 on August 26, 2012, 08:10:44 AM
It's a Glad time / Sad time - FFA and 4-H fair time.
Clean'em up for the last time, its the big show time.
Hopefully what is learned there will last a life time. 


Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 26, 2012, 04:01:19 PM
It's a Glad time / Sad time - FFA and 4-H fair time.
Clean'em up for the last time, its the big show time.
Hopefully what is learned there will last a life time.

Mostly a Glad time Rick.  My Kids have come to realize that it is a buisness and they really don't get attached to the animals as they once did.  One of the judges was a WV University Farm manager who really praised the kids accomplishments and gave a good speech on how these programs promoted the livestock industry not only in WV but throughout the United States. On a side note of him being the Showmanship Judge told my son during the presentation " Excellent Showmanship and he wouldn't be afraid to have my son show any animal of his anytime."   Still have one pig on the farm at least til Mid October before it is butchered.  It will become a shared project between my son and daughter as their Ham/bacon project which will be sold in January. 

Actually the pig kept was in better shape than the one my son showed and sold this weekend.  But it was his choice and when he explained his reasoning for showing this particular pig it all made sense.  He said the bigger money was in the ham and bacon sale.  The physical shape of the pig kept would produce better Hams,thus a better return.  So I guess he has learned more than I give him credit for throughout the years.

He was really pleased when he learned that the hog feed he had been making throughout the summer while working at the feed mill in the evenings after work and weekends was the feed sold to the owners of pigs which won Grand Champion and Reserve Grand Champion of West Virginia at the West Virginia State Fair.   [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ColchesterCabin on August 27, 2012, 02:43:56 PM
I loved the lessons I learned through 4H!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop ( It's started)
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 02, 2012, 03:08:46 AM
Seems the leaves this fall got a little jumpstart with the early frost.  A lot of the maples are peaking out with the hardwoods to follow in the next few weeks.  Some of the higher elevations (3,000-4,000 ft) are a little more advanced than the valley (2,500 ft). 

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Sassy on October 02, 2012, 01:44:05 PM
Beautiful!  I will always remember the autumns when I lived in Mass. even thought I only lived there from the ages of 5-7.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on October 02, 2012, 01:49:07 PM
That's just lovely.The color is slowly creeping this way.  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 07, 2012, 06:20:44 AM
Beautiful!  I will always remember the autumns when I lived in Mass. even thought I only lived there from the ages of 5-7.

Yes Sassy they are.  But I have to remind myself of this sometimes.  Take a lot of natures beauty for granted especially here in the mountain state.  We try to have a family function surrounding the season changes to give everyone an oppurtunity to take a few minutes without distractions just to admire what we often overlook.  Yep IMO there is no other place I would rather be.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 21, 2012, 03:08:45 PM
Took the weekend off and did some traveling to the other side of the state near the Ohio/Kentucky line.  We were invited to a country wedding and the groom had asked my son to play for the ceremony.  The groom and best man wore kilts.  And what would a wedding of kilt bearing groom and best man without a piper

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The wedding was at farm which had a somewhat unique water system.  Years ago the family had located a spring in a large rock formation/cave.  They had blocked a portion of the cave which houses the pump and then created a large catch basin to feed the pump area.  I estimated the complete holding tank to be 8'X 20' and approximately 4' deep in two sections seperated by the rock formation.  I didn't get a picture of the complete rock formation but would estimate it to be some 40' high X 200' long.  This system feeds three houses.

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If you look directly behind the bench that is a portion of the tank with the previous picture to the left some 20 feet.

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This was also the maiden voyage of the pop-up camper I purchased back in August.  Towed really nice on the trip.  The furnace was a definite plus during the weekend with the fall temperatures.

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Tomarrow I will have to get busy and get Dogtrot cleaned up.  I have surprise visitors coming later this week. Stay tuned to find out who.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Rob_O on October 21, 2012, 07:14:53 PM

Tomorrow I will have to get busy and get Dogtrot cleaned up.  I have surprise visitors coming later this week. Stay tuned to find out who.


 :-X
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on October 28, 2012, 04:06:38 PM
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Photos do not do proper justice to illustrate the extremely great work John has done.  :)

Karen and I love "our"  ;) new cabin in the WV hills.   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 29, 2012, 03:10:25 AM
Don thank you for the nice compliment.  It was a pleasure to have you and Karen visit. Sorry you couldn't have stayed longer.  Maybe next time. Too bad the foliage couldn't have waited until you arrived before it turned.  But Mother Nature has her own schedule.  Hopefully some of the other attractions picked up the slack.  You are welcome anytime. 

But we have to talk about that "our" thing.   ;D  [waiting]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ben2go on October 29, 2012, 03:36:38 AM
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Photos do not do proper justice to illustrate the extremely great work John has done.  :)

Karen and I love "our"  ;) new cabin in the WV hills.

I'm diggin it.  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: MountainDon on October 29, 2012, 04:02:19 AM
Sorry you couldn't have stayed longer.

I agree. If our timing had been off by a couple of days though, it appears that we might have been snowed in. But at the airport rather than the mountains of WV.   >:(

Snowing this AM at Don_P's in VA (SE of Hightop)
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on October 29, 2012, 02:16:31 PM
I agree. If our timing had been off by a couple of days though, it appears that we might have been snowed in. But at the airport rather than the mountains of WV.   >:(

Snowing this AM at Don_P's in VA (SE of Hightop)
It is a beautiful place and John has done a great job on it. But quit tellin everbody about it. Pretty soon it will be hard to get a weekend in for all the folks coming from out of town wantin to stay... ;D. Actually you look pretty natural standing there on the front porch. I told John I was glad you got to see some of the beauty of WV. I think it is one of the most beautiful places on earth. I hope somebody will post some more pictures. I would like to see what you saw on Cranberry.
CHUCK

I just checked the weather in Marlinton and it says it is 30 degrees and snowing.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 12, 2012, 12:09:07 PM
Another good weekend at the cabin.  Enjoying the fruits of my labor more or less.   :)

I am glad to see the grouse population growing on the mountain.  It has been several years since these have been so noticable as they have in the last couple years.  Hardly a week goes by that they don't boast their presence on the gravel road.  At times you would think that they own the road as they are reluctant to get out of the way.

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Good Music Jam on Saturday night.  About 12 musicians in all.  Traditional fall food of Chilli, Navy Beans, Cornbread, Italian bread, hot peppers and deep fried oysters ( Chuck's contribution) was served throughout the night.   I hung with them as long as I could but the signs of  fatigue or a severe cold was taking it's toll so in the early morning hours I left my good friend ChuckinVa to make sure that everyone was put to bed and the lights were extinguished.  But I was up bright and early to fix breakfast for the sleep overs.  Then it was a mad rush to get everything cleaned up and head to the local radio station so my son could play live at the Fall Fundraiser.  Ended up substuting for another band  and the band he normally plays with. So he played two 45 minute sets.  I am glad it was him and not me.  Youth does have it's advantages I guess. ;D

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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ChuckinVa on November 12, 2012, 03:18:17 PM
I'm glad you caught my best side !  ;D I know I had a great time. Food was excellent as usual and the music get's better each time. I wish we had a way to record it and Keep it for posterity. " The cabin sessions" I am sure there are albums full of music no where close to a good as what we heard Saturday night. I hope you will continue the tradition for years to come. I really enjoy being part of it.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 25, 2012, 05:26:28 PM
What a wonderful Christmas present from my wife.  Christmas for us is really hetic but hopefully in the next couple of days we can retreat to the cabin for a little R&R before I have to shut it down for the winter.  Lost a good friend just before the holiday season.  Most catagorized him as a Master Claw Hammer Banjo player who has been playing Old Time Music for about 60 years.  With his passing he will be missed at the cabin for our weekend music session and to the countless people that he has taught and passed his passion to over the years.  I guess my son will have to pick it up a notch now playing with his band. 

 
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Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: rick91351 on December 25, 2012, 07:54:01 PM
I'm glad you caught my best side !  ;D I know I had a great time. Food was excellent as usual and the music get's better each time. I wish we had a way to record it and Keep it for posterity. " The cabin sessions" I am sure there are albums full of music no where close to a good as what we heard Saturday night. I hope you will continue the tradition for years to come. I really enjoy being part of it.


How about inviting PBS or The Smithsonian or the University to set up and record.  Most likely it would come together better there at Hightop than in a studio.  I am sure you could sell the project as archiving a link to the past and now.       
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 26, 2012, 04:43:03 AM


How about inviting PBS or The Smithsonian or the University to set up and record.  Most likely it would come together better there at Hightop than in a studio.  I am sure you could sell the project as archiving a link to the past and now.     

Yes Rick most of the musicians that play already have recorded sessions.  Many including my son are in the archieved with PBS at various times.  But it seems the music at the cabin although less formal seems to bring out the best of everyone.  I don't really know what that is attributed to other than the atmosphere.  It is always a good time.  Maybe one of these days with the right equipment I can capture the sounds ( after editing I am sure ;)) and make something worthwhile. 

My son was part of a 3 year project resulting in a documentary sponsered by Allegheny Mountain Radio entitled "Passing it On"  The rebirth of Old Time music in Pocahontas County,WV which was just released to all PBS stations.  We are so blessed to live in a community with so much talent and roots to traditional Old Time Music.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Ndrmyr on December 26, 2012, 09:14:21 AM
Also, an excellent field of fire.  Of course, if the current powers in Washington and elsewhere have their way, you'll be reduced to throwing stale dinner rolls to protect your property and loved ones.  Nice stone work!  Well Done.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 31, 2012, 04:48:45 AM
Yesterday was the closure to a great year at Dogtrot.  But with the impending winter season it was necesssary due to no permanent heat source to keep the water lines from freezing.  The weekend was good with recent accumulation of approximately 7" of snow.  Temperature for the most part was in the mid 20's. Between two of the gas wall heaters set on low and the fireplace the temperature stayed basicly 65-70F inside the cabins main floor with the lofts being about 10 degs warmer.

The road was starting to get bad with the packed/ice accumulation.  I did manage to travel the Forest Service Road (No Snow Removal) unassisted without chains after I plowed the 1-1/2 mile trek with the Four Wheeler on Thursday before the additional 3" of snow fell over the weekend.  The previous years while construction was ongoing I did keep the roads plowed year round but that was before the cabin was plumbed with water.  The closeure took about 1-1/2 hours with the draining/blowing of the waterlines, hotwater tank drainage, disconnection of the battery bank from the inverter and removal of the generator battery. 

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The snow curl from the porch began.  The ice/snow bar on the main roof was working.

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My wife relaxing while reading a book down loaded from the net on the laptop.

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It appears that the closure was none too soon as the temperatures drop this morning to 12F with the forecast predicting additional snowfall.  I now look forward to an early spring.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Dog on January 04, 2013, 07:18:47 PM
Happy New Year and congratulations. Everything looks so beautiful and now you have music as well. Enjoy. You earned it  [cool]
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: OlJarhead on January 04, 2013, 07:25:34 PM
Do you go up when you've 'closed' the cabin? 

I do -- I just bring water jugs and use the Frost Free...but it's tough without running water now that I know I have it when it's warmer!
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 05, 2013, 05:03:01 AM
Do you go up when you've 'closed' the cabin? 

I do -- I just bring water jugs and use the Frost Free...but it's tough without running water now that I know I have it when it's warmer!

Eric generally I don't go up for any period of time.  Only make a maintenance trip periodically.  I did go up yesterday as I forgot I had some canned foods in the kitchen cabinet that I was afraid would freeze.  I wouldn't have made it in the truck unless I would have chained up.  So I just used the 4 wheeler which didn't have too much trouble on the ice and snow.  A little chilly at 24F riding in the open but hey it was a short trip. 

When I went up yesterday the temperature inside was a balmy 36F.  So it would have taken a good two days to heat up the wood mass and make it liveable.  Not to mention that I have to shut down the inverter and disconnect the battery bank which will drain the batteries even though the inverter is off.   That would necessitate leaving the generator operating as well.  So being somewhat of a pessimist I disconnected them as well as shut the gas off  from the bulk tank.

Maybe I will be lucky and it will be a short winter. ;)

Dog it has been worth all the effort.  The music sessions in that setting are great. Hope I can find more time this coming year to enjoy it more.   
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: ScottA on January 15, 2013, 07:23:19 PM
Looking good. Kinda postcardish if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 23, 2013, 06:29:33 AM
With the recent Artic Blast hitting the area I thought I would go check on the cabin and change the Game Camera card.  This week the temperatures have not gotten above 25F.  This morning it was 7F.  The inside cabin temperature was 22F.  The crawlspace and basement showed 34F.

I also took a reading on the battery bank since I disconnected them on the 30th of December. I forgot to take a reading on that day but on the 13th it was 49.1  Surprising the voltage showed 48.8 volts.  The specific gravity was 1.275.  At this rate the battery bank probably will not discharge below 50% by the time it is ready to start up in a month or two.    ;D

 
Title: Re: Dogtrot at Hightop
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 15, 2013, 04:09:47 AM
Well it has been some time since I have updated this tread and the garage apartment addition. Constuction has virtually stopped at each.    Life has thrown me some unexpected detours.  On February 23rd my 87 year old father fell and broke his hip.  That was not life threatening but what followed is.  He has been battling kidney failure for the last couple of years.  His Kidneys had only been operating on 10% function.   With the surgery and medications associated his kidneys have now dropped to less than 5% with his creatinine level (toxins) at 5.5 mg @dl.  Anything above .6 -1.2 is normal and higher consitute renial failure.  It was his wishes not to be put on dialysis.  With his hearing loss, and the later stages of dementia he was taken home and is being cared for by my mother (80), hospice and myself.  Currently he is sleeping 23-1/2 hrs out of 24 hrs daily and virtually very little recongnizeable responses. 

But life has to continue.  I have stole a few minutes out of this hetic life to attend to some necessary normalities of my life and family.  The "rust worms" have hatched out in my 99 Ford truck. Although mechanically it is in great shape I decided that after 14 years use it was time to upgrade.  So this is what I ended up with.  It is a 2012 F-250 Powerstroke.  Used but practically new with only 9,000 miles.

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Busy weekend.  I bought 4 head of cattle on Friday evening at the livestock sale.  So Saturday morning was vaccanation and hauling them.

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