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Title: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on August 25, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
Hello. Long story ,right rotator cuff,rehav , then the left rotator. Now more rehav. On the mends now and restarting a 20' x 32' 1 1/2 story.
Still clearing the pad but will hope to get back up to speed soon.
Randy
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Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: Don_P on August 26, 2013, 12:44:16 AM
Oww d* I'm a year and a half out of the right and trying to ignore the crunching in the left. Take it slow, they sure aren't as strong as they used to be and you tore them out. I hired three young bucks to do the heavy lifting on some roof work last week... and I still think the bus tagged me on the way by  :D Those aren't ferns, where is it?
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: MountainDon on August 26, 2013, 05:24:18 AM
schiada, best of fortune on heeling those injuries.


looks the the SW desert to me :)
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on August 26, 2013, 07:09:23 PM
Thanks getting better every day. :P
Yes,Wilhoit AZ.
Randy
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: upndown on August 29, 2013, 10:54:10 AM
Hello Neighbor..Well kinda. Glad to hear you're on the mend! I also had some health issues after I bought my place in Peeples Valley, Mine is a small remodel but mainly a facelift. Now it seems I enjoy the simpler things in life, like sitting on the front porch or by the fire pit haha.

I wish you the best and keep chugging along!

Louie
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on August 29, 2013, 04:35:29 PM
Thanks Louie.

Shame about the fire.

Don't think Yarnell will ever be the same? And the Team was to young for that to happen.

Going up the the lot to have a look/see on Sat. Hope its still their! :P
Randy
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: upndown on August 29, 2013, 06:07:13 PM
Oh I bet it's still waiting on you..haha. I've been up there a few times since the fire. I checked on a few people I have met in Yarnell some got lucky, some not..Just heartbreaking to help someone sift thru ashes to find some memories! WE All lost so much that day.

I will be heading up Sat. or Sun. myself.. Good luck and if nothing else enjoy the scenery!

Louie
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on September 07, 2015, 05:41:10 PM
Hello all ! I'm back at it. Just got my Grading Permit ( a little bit of a pain but its all good). Will start on Thursday and have a bigger machine coming to do the job. My 35Hp. was not going fast enough. d*  And the big one comes with a pro !

Will be making a cut in the 600 cubic yard ranger. The pro said about 3 to 4 days +-. Will take my tractor to help out and maybe get a lesson or two ? Hope,hope ?

Here is a photo of the cut.

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Packing things up and will be on my way !
Randy

Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on September 27, 2015, 06:26:11 PM
Well the dirt is removed ! It was alot of work but now on to what will be installed ?

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Randy
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on September 29, 2015, 04:16:29 PM
Been working on the footing ?  ???

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Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on October 02, 2015, 11:55:53 AM
I will need to have a lockup for the stuff to start the building. This is what I came up with. 20' storage box and my tractor fits !

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Hope this will keep the stuff safe.And the best part is I don't need to trailer it up each time I need to use it !
Randy
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on October 05, 2015, 06:47:33 PM
New door all fabed up and installed. Just need to finish the bolts and some hangers for tools and a work bench. Cool.

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Also some paint. Then with luck move up to the build site ?+- LOL Maybe Next monday.

Randy
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on November 01, 2015, 07:56:43 PM
Ready and open for building !

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This will house the equipment and tractor for the clearing. Along with some supplies. Later we will move to the pad site to build some parts out of the weather if needed.
Randy
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: Don_P on November 02, 2015, 04:09:10 AM
Makin progress. Sweet looking door, I'm almost there on an insulated reefer box I'm building, any chance you got a pic of the hinges and latch?
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on November 02, 2015, 05:38:25 AM
Don,I will take some the next time I'm up their.
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on July 04, 2016, 10:30:57 AM
Back at it again.

Needed a place to plan from and decided that leaving the slide-in up their made the most since. Built a 4' x 8' stand and set it down .

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It was a very long day ! Just look at that old guy.

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Now Sue and I will just go up and think about what I'm doing ?    d*

Don, I will get the photos for you , sorry for not remembering.

Randy
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: Don_P on July 04, 2016, 12:56:42 PM
Looking good  :)
 [cool], I knew that project had a ready made excuse... I do need to get back at it.
 shoulda done both my shoulders back then, real hard to get excited about it now  :P
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: Rys on July 06, 2016, 11:50:43 AM
Looking forward to watching your progress!
We're still in the planning stage. Love getting ideas and insight from others.
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on July 06, 2016, 05:57:10 PM
I will give it my best !
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: Don_P on July 07, 2016, 02:09:10 AM
Thinkin ahead while looking behind. Looking back at reply #9, the steep roof, the rafter tie is up about halfway up the roof height, they limit to 1/3 height typically and then it goes to a ridgebeam setup with the ridgebeam sized to carry half of that section's roof load. The rafters then hang off the ridge and there is not horizontal thrust on the tie, which becomes optional then, or on the raised kneewalls. Anyway more to ponder. Another day in an attic, hopefully the clouds will stay put  :D!
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on August 06, 2017, 10:30:16 AM
Hello all ! I'm back at it again. Life got in the way. Sue is light one kidney and then their was this broke foot thing ! LOL Hope we can keep things together long enough to finish ?

First let me say I hope "Photobucket" goes out of business ! What a bunch of dicks !

So I will be posting some old photos and some new (with luck).

So we needed to move the slid-in to lay the drain tubing. Its moved and the tractor has been moved back up to the lot. Now on to some trenching.(https://countryplans.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fu.cubeupload.com%2FLotus7%2FIMG3239.jpg&hash=e329281ab80af4abc18ccb0599fd1868)
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on August 06, 2017, 10:44:05 AM
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Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: hpinson on August 07, 2017, 04:03:36 PM
Thank you for restoring this!
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on August 07, 2017, 06:03:12 PM
Thanks.

If their are other photos from the text in the posts just let me know and I will try to find them.

But I still hate PhotoBucket !  >:(
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on August 20, 2018, 10:46:18 AM
Well its been some time now. But I'm back at it. Had to move the camper so I can get started (re-started ) on the pad for the house. d*

(https://i.imgur.com/K9Q6esQ.jpg)

Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on August 20, 2018, 12:22:57 PM
And some weather just before we started to unload the slid-in.
(https://i.imgur.com/XNWuLWF.jpg)
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on August 26, 2018, 08:46:18 AM
Did some more work around the camp site. Some fencing for the dogs.(like that will hold them,LOL) And some thinking about where to start.
Still need some more fencing .

(https://i.imgur.com/iLKBjis.jpg)

And some more weather.
(https://i.imgur.com/lBkx4S8.jpg)

Hope to have this area finish over Labor Day then on to the pad and setting up to build.
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on August 30, 2018, 01:51:21 PM
First try this year. Is this what the Code people will be looking for ?

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1860/29436936997_5f69b05cce_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LReZNv)Wilhoit I (https://flic.kr/p/LReZNv) by Randy Wefel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156755955@N05/), on Flickr
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on September 03, 2018, 07:24:31 AM
Got some things cut leading up to the pad.. Will start removing the brush leading up to the basement to give room for the cement mixer to move in. Should make doing the foundation easier ? I hope. 

 (https://i.imgur.com/6bnetPQ.jpg)   

And got the fence up to keep the 4 legged kid's under control.

(https://i.imgur.com/qaaEDBg.jpg)

Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on September 12, 2018, 03:30:30 PM
After having problems with the Country Plan I'm going to something that is 2015 IRC ready.

Not sure if I should keep posting because its not from here ?
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: MountainDon on September 12, 2018, 05:18:39 PM
John has never limited anyone from posting their own plan or plans purchased elsewhere, so I'd say go ahead.
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: Rys on September 13, 2018, 03:55:47 AM
Please keep posting. Things have been knd of quiet on here.
Love seeing progress to keep me inspired.   
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on September 18, 2018, 12:25:44 PM
New plans are here.  ;D

Will tell you all more after getting a look.

Need to setup my old drafting table . Their 28 x 40.  :)
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on September 18, 2018, 01:37:42 PM
Just put the tape on it. Going to need a new top .only 22 x 31. d*
Going to go 33 x 43. [cool]
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on September 18, 2018, 07:21:20 PM
Still need a bigger top !

(https://i.imgur.com/3dtYPtT.jpg)
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on September 21, 2018, 07:53:31 PM
I will call this "Barn 1 "

Do you framers see any thing that can be done better ?


(https://i.imgur.com/8oDTB5J.jpg?1)
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on September 21, 2018, 08:01:34 PM
Barn 2

(https://i.imgur.com/JIknGiY.jpg?1)
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: Don_P on September 22, 2018, 03:56:17 AM
I'm assuming there is an upper loft floor acting as a tie at plate level. I prefer a steeper lower pitch to get more useable floor area. Without engineering a steeper lower pitch has less horizontal thrust and then I tie the upper pitch with ceiling joists across that upper pitch, a structural ridge would work too.

Gambrels suffer from the same problems A frames do as far as the "tunnel effect" of only having lighting at the ends. I haven't seen too many visually pleasing dormers short of a full cross gable.

Follow the load path in the 2nd drawing over the garage door opening. The roof and loft floor would deliver load to the window headers. Those jacks are delivering point loads onto the garage header, then a uniform main floor load. That will probably be an engineered header like an LVL or similar, I'd point that out when asking them to size it.
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on September 22, 2018, 06:54:04 AM
The roof is a truss system.
Garage header is a LVL 5 1/4" x 16".

Thinking about (2) 6' Dormer windows ? Would help with the general space on the second floor.
Also maybe a third on the other side for a second floor bath ?

Thanks, DonP
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on September 22, 2018, 02:49:32 PM
Also what about running a Glulam at the center point and running the  I floor joist to the gable end wall to take some weight off the garage header ?

Something like this ?

(https://i.imgur.com/YOfYeND.jpg?1)
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: Don_P on September 23, 2018, 04:30:24 AM
Does that reduce the joist span? Can you tolerate a line of probably 2 interior posts or better a wall there? If so run all the joists gable to center bearing to gable.

That is a fairly common timber frame barn here... hang on
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The joists run gable to gable. The H frame bents support the roof well. Just another way.
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on September 28, 2018, 02:35:17 PM
The span would go from 28' +- to about 19' 9 1/4" using a side joist hanger on the center Beam/joist. My idea is to take some of the load and put more onto the block wall with no openings.
Still need to have the Joist company have a look. I think it will pass the IRC ? And it would only add a 4" steel post to the basement.

(https://i.imgur.com/R3axkFh.jpg?1)
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: Don_P on September 28, 2018, 05:49:43 PM
Nothing is jumping out at me. If the gables have no holes then that's easy, else check your header or lintel capacity. The floor, girder and roof trusses are engineered by the supplier. Understand what I was saying wrt the joist spans and deflections, you'll want fairly stiff joists and girder at long spans. This is a no tile job. I'm assuming the roof trusses are an attic type with a loft floor clear spanning the 28', no truss loads landing on the main floor. Read the section in the IRC on foundation construction and reinforcement. You'll probably want double jacks on headers over 6', look at the header and girder table, chapter 5 I believe for sizes and number of jacks.

Some quick math, the girder spans 28' and supports half of each joist on each side (the gable foundation walls support the other half of each joist), so tributary width bearing on the girder is around 20'.
Look at the post first, same thing, the post supports the center half of the girder 7' each way from the post along the girder, 14'
Area supported by the post is then20'x14'=280 sf. Multiply by dead load of the floor 10psf+ 40psf live load. 280 sf x 50 psf design load= 14,000 lbs, the post, at its length, has to be capable of resisting that load without buckling. Check the post capacity on the sticker.

The footing under the post likewise. Assuming 2,000 psf soil bearing capacity 14,000 lbs/2,000 psf=7sf of footing area under the post. Square root of 7 is around 32" square for the post footing in 2,000 psf soil. To resist "punch through" of the post through the footing it needs to be thick enough to maintain an imaginary 45 degree angle from edge of the 4" post to bottom of footing (32-4)/2=14" thick. So spitballing it, a 32" square x 14" thick post footing. You may have better soil numbers to plug in above.

How big is the girder. 14' span wall to post x 20' trib width=280 sf x 50 psf =14,000 lbs, same solution but now we are looking at the area between wall and post on either side of the post.
Assuming LVL's for the girder, a triple 14" deep LVL girder should be in the ballpark. The supplier will do all that just some quick numbers to play with sizes in your drawing, headroom, post length, etc. Download the I joist catalog for your supplier, I suspect you'll be using BCI's but check. You should be able to look at the choices and get close, start with 14" options if you want a flat ceiling below.

Now with those elevations sketched in...

I've just had you criss cross the framing between floors, solve one problem, create another, I'd play with stairs next.
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on September 30, 2018, 06:16:33 PM
Thanks DonP.

I was working from 15,600 lbs.
Title: Re: A New Start to a old build.
Post by: schiada on October 02, 2018, 08:20:57 PM
Got two books by Larry Haun,very good read.
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