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Title: La D.O.T. levee investigation
Post by: RAB on December 01, 2005, 08:05:34 PM
Now it all truly makes sense.

Louisiana Department of Transportation levee failure investigation sinks Army Corps of Engineers.

Link:
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:VNnLyxO9OREJ:www.nola.com/newslogs/tpupdates/index.ssf%3F/mtlogs/nola_tpupdates/archives/2005_11_29.html+Louisiana+department+of+transportation+levee+failure+draft+report&hl=en
Title: Re: La D.O.T. levee investigation
Post by: Amanda_931 on December 01, 2005, 08:16:10 PM
Lovely.

And to match it, this was in the evening's headlines.

If you didn't have flood insurance, the storm-generated flood isn't insured!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051201/ap_on_re_us/katrina_mortgaged_ruins;_ylt=AlGJgHuRjUTnZpFGJXcvBDRvzwcF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA

Title: Re: La D.O.T. levee investigation
Post by: glenn-k on December 02, 2005, 02:20:57 AM
Info from the Corps of Engineers.  It seems they are trying to be up front and show that they did make educated decisions.

http://www.hq.usace.army.mil/cepa/releases/katrinadata.htm

New Orleans Projects Data

https://ipet.wes.army.mil/

Part of the data shows borings 80' to 100' deep in the area of some planned levees -seems like they should have known what was there - recorded standing water level of 3' - I assume they used similar procedures in all of their projects.  
http://simurl.com/bb-cc-ii

From this DOD article:http://www.dod.gov/news/Sep2005/20050915_2754.html A quote.

QuoteA supplemental account has provided the corps with $200 million to spend in New Orleans for flood-control work, emergency response and rebuilding damaged levees, Strock said. Another $200 million in supplemental funds has been allocated for operations and maintenance costs for the Gulf Intercoastal Waterway, he said.

About $440 million so far has been spent in response to Katrina's impact on New Orleans, Strock said, noting that about $270 million of that was spent on procuring ice and water.

That makes me thirsty- I'm going to get a drink. :o
Title: Re: La D.O.T. levee investigation
Post by: RAB on December 02, 2005, 11:28:04 AM
My first post link will not connect, please try these for more information.

"Government engineers performing sonar tests at the 17th Street Canal found exactly what independent investigators said they would - that steel reinforcements barely went more than half as deep as they were supposed to"... From the Post
Link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/30/AR2005113002561.html
Link:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nation/stories/DN-katlevees_01tex.ART.State.Edition2.13ba3574.html
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I realize that this post has very little to do with residential building. However the theme of "final design deviating from as built" is just as recognizable in residential construction.

Title: Re: La D.O.T. levee investigation
Post by: glenn-k on December 06, 2005, 03:11:14 AM
Things we do know.
Things  we wonder about.
Fact
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/orleans_levees.html

Theories
Title: Re: La D.O.T. levee investigation
Post by: glenn-k on December 13, 2005, 01:37:00 AM
Here is a little chart that shows why it is so hard to get a straight story from the news media and why it is so easy for powerful entities to influence or pressure story changes or removals.

It's not just me ----- really---- :-/

http://www.nowfoundation.org/issues/communications/tv/mediacontrol.html
Title: Re: La D.O.T. levee investigation
Post by: Amanda_931 on December 13, 2005, 11:12:04 AM
I once heard a reporter be totally unable to understand the difference between "asset" and "liability" from the bank's point of view as opposed to "asset" and "liability" from its customers'.  

I didn't catch the story, but I assume it was still a hash, if it got used at all.

(yes, to the bank, money you can withdraw is a liability.  On the other hand, a loan that is likely to be repaid means that they will have more money to pay salaries, interest, and lend out again--so it's an asset)

Get one of those reporters on your story--add it to the general not-all-that-good quality of reporting these days, and strange and totally messed up stories can make the news.