I think this was his last interview before he so stupidly drowned in his hottub.
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2010/7/17_Matt_Simmons_files/Matt%20Simmons%207%3A17%3A2010.mp3
Shouldn't talk too much about disasters.... shouldn't be right most of the time...... shouldn't use your hot tub if you have that generic heart attack problem.
I guess this is what happens if you take on big business backed by big gov.
Matt Simmons was the one making the most credible noise against BP. I differed with him on the wisdom of using a nuke on this broken up mess but Others in the world agreed with him.
http://www.wlbz2.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=123586&catid=3
Guess he won't spew his opinions and make bad publicity about the coverup in the gulf now, eh?
Apparently Simmons was correct
This guy tracked down the Bp Lease agreements (downloaded the PDF files) for the TWO wells BP drilled
Check out the coordinates --- Bp was showing you the "A" well they had already shut down and capped long before the blowout of the "B" well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPhPvQot4o8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbry0D2RFbQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDO4KNm1GPM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fobsqXyz1rQ
Oh, and Bp still is telling the FAA what to do since the TFR (Temporary Flight Restriction) is still in effect over "their" ocean
"Nothing you are allowed to see here, move along"
(http://www.aopa.org/images/whatsnew/tfr-07062010map.jpg)
This stinks like the rotting fish in the oil poisoned gulf.
Since BP controls what is seen below the surface with their cameras, then possibly the well is still spewing and even if it isn't I have read that there are new oil spewing cracks all over the place.
A reporter/friend I followed reporting from inside Iraq and met at Yosemite, is now reporting on the Gulf disaster. He is not owned by the government or the oil companies.
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/out-of-sight-out-of-mind-even-when-it%E2%80%99s-not-out-of-sight#more-1946
New Dahr's Truthout report.
http://www.truth-out.org/gulf-coast-fishermen-challenge-us-government-over-dispersants62183
From the above report...
QuoteBirren also told Truthout that fishermen she knows, who are speaking out against BP dispersant practices, "are getting death threats and notes on their cars saying you better watch out, because there are people above us who want to keep this quiet. But I know entire families who are sick because of the dispersants."
Death threats ...
Simmons drowns in his hot tub..... sure...... [waiting]
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gq5CYjC3tD5i_DILqZ0Wg2QJx5gAD9HGFJN82
Rense says " Simmons "accidentally drowned" in hot tub (murder)"
Also - why he was put away....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We0giwqnTt8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsSED-RaIDU&feature=related
"Feds CONFISCATE independent LSU scientists' samples because project not approved by BP, others"
QuoteLinda Hooper-Bui, Louisiana State University Department of Entomology Associate Professor, writes in The Scientist, "My PhD student's ant samples were taken away by a US Fish and Wildlife officer at a publicly accessible state Wildlife Management Area because our project hadn't been approved by Incident Command."
What is the Incident Command? Hooper-Bui continues, "[It's] also called the Deepwater Horizon Response Unified Command — which is a joint program of BP and federal agencies, such as the Coast Guard..."
She shares another similar experience, "Where our research trip was halted after driving more than 150 miles to a study site. On the way to our sampling sites in Grand Isle, LA, [we] were turned away by a sheriff's deputy blocking the road who said that he was told to allow no one who wasn't associated with BP or NRDA." The NRDA (National Resource Damage Assessment) process "is overseen by state, tribal and federal science agencies and is partially funded by BP."
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/feds-confiscate-independent-lsu-scientists-samples-because-project-not-approved-by-bp-others
Government must protect the politicians investments.
Sickness spreads and people are afraid to talk about it for fear of losing their jobs.
http://worldvisionportal.org/wvpforum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=940
Even if the hole is plugged it is likely as Simmons said before they silenced him. The fractures around the well bore are not stoppable.
Look for a big unforeseen disaster soon or a slow long term insidious one in the near future.
From above link
QuoteNO END IN SIGHT
The oil and gas from the Biloxi Dome area has not stopped flowing. It's an oil exploration well which blew out on or about February 13, 2010 so severely that it deposited the Blow Out Preventer (BOP) and the steel well casing hundreds of yards away on the ocean floor. There is nothing there to cap or abate the oil flow with. It's an open hole that is nothing less than an oil, gas and tar volcano. While a certain leaking BP well may have been capped seven miles northeast of the Biloxi Dome area, an already large underwater lake of oil at an approximate 3,000 foot depth is rapidly growing each hour. It's estimated 9 mile length in May 2010 is surely dwarfed in size now.
Don't be fooled by the lack of surface oil being reported by the mainstream media shills and BP. Corexit hides what is beneath and Corexit is more toxic than crude oil itself. The only people denying the existence of the underwater plumes are the people at BP. And they offer no evidence to contradict the extremely solid evidence provided by four universities, including LSU, of the existence of these huge underwater plumes of oil.
I worked for bp for 8 years. I turned in notice last week and yesterday was my last day.
I absolutely detest conspiracy theories. but this whole thing stinks like hell. My mind is still not made entirely up on the simmons claim, and I dont agree with the oil volcano/tsunami thing (as the physics and math dont work), but my sense of right and wrong says bp should be seized and people involved prosecuted. I do not believe bp to be innocent on anything in this clustermug.
I have no love for bp these days.
I see dead critters.
Two links worth watching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1txqDQpcoA&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvd-rpvOQVQ&feature=player_embedded
Note that one is from Faux News and one is from the pervasive liberal media (MSNBC). Crap, they agree on something! That should get the ideologues' undies in a bundle...on both sides. Amazing, the suppression of images and lack of access to contaminated areas that is being enforced. This ties into the no-fly zone mention above. Now why exactly is this enforced secrecy necessary? The way this entire clusterf***tastrophe has been handled tells me very clearly that the extent of this leak and the impacts that will likely result will be disastrous for a long time to come.
I don't see that much conspiracy theory here, muldoon. I see a big coverup... the threats have been reported by others.
I am a well driller and geologic conditions are similar in water - just not as deep. What Simmons said made complete sense and his death at this time is way too much for a simple coincidence. He had a big audience, people were listening and he was saying things the government and their partner BP did not want publicized.
Reporting by non-mainstream media says there is still oil and it is being sunk with dispersant as well as showing up in bigger quantities than in the past. I do not believe our politicians or oil companies or mainstream news reports.
Drilling in a fault zone in a very fractured formation can cause a flow outside of the casing especially with all of the blunders they admit to making. The pressure from below is enough to hydrofrac* the ground clear to the top and possibly for miles under the sea floor eventually making its way through in tons of places. The annulus around the casing was drilled oversize then casing inserted. Faulty sealing with concrete would allow the flow into the fractured formation getting worse and worse until it blows out under the gulf in multiple places - continuous uncontrollable flows pressured from below. Sealing with concrete is an inexact science at best without all of the blunders and admitted problems of the well from hell.
*Hydrofrac (hydraulically fracture the formation - usually done with high pressure from above, but in this case it is pressurized from below with enough pressure to create a gigantic piston contained only by sea water and soil pressure). Fractures will develop in the gulf floor increasingly flowing oil even if the broken well is cemented at the top. The plugging and sealing we all watch as they declared it a success is all smoke and mirrors to distract the public. I agree with Simmons in that it is still going full speed ahead under the sea floor in the formation outside of the casing. I agree that there is no way to fix it.
Simmons wanted the nuke option. I feel that could open the whole thing up rather than stop it.
No need for prohibitions and a news blackout if there is not a problem.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/10/scientists-bp-gag
Update from Dahr.
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=52471 Dispersants causing health problems.
QuoteAs for Mastler's physical reaction to his exposure, Hugh Kaufman, an EPA whistleblower and analyst, has reported this of the effects of the toxic dispersants:
"We have dolphins that are hemorrhaging. People who work near it are hemorrhaging internally. And that's what dispersants are supposed to do...And, for example, in the Exxon Valdez case, people who worked with dispersants, most of them are dead now. The average death age is around 50. It's very dangerous, and it's an... economic protector of BP, not an environmental protector of the public."
Here's a youtube of the Russian nuclear solution to a natural gas fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPNQoTlacU
Not saying I agree that this is the solution ..........
Cool video. I had read that they had done it in the past. Iran claims the same and offered to help us.
Only problem I see is that the formation around the BP well is so fractured I wonder if there is a possibility of making it much worse?
If they do nuke it I doubt they'll tell anyone.
Quote from: ScottA on August 13, 2010, 12:05:58 PM
If they do nuke it I doubt they'll tell anyone.
When all seismometers in the SE US are shut down coincidentally at the same time for "maintenance", but have armed guards posted around them, that will be clue #1.
BP Update from Dahr Jamail
The news the media is not telling for the most part.
http://www.truth-out.org/how-has-it-come-this62558
QuoteDead-Missing-Jailed BP WHISTLEBLOWERS
http://bpwhistleblowers.blogspot.com/
Some of our International students were not aware that this is a regular practice here in the states, just as in their countries.
We just hide it better and most of us refuse to look.
??? I'm confused------are BP and the numerous local, state and federal agencies involved in this stew of facts, alleged facts, unsupported assertions,speculations and wild guesses incompetent bumblers or are they all part of an incredibly complex and masterful conspiracy involving thousands of people who have never been able to pull off this kind of scheme successfully or to keep their attempts secret in the past?
Are the "whistleblowers" and conspiracy bloggers cited as the only ones who know the "true story" heroic unbiased public servants or are they serial rumor mongers seeking to either make a few bucks, hoping to achieve their 15 minutes of fame or just scratch some personal psychological itch?
And most of all, I'm really curious how those masterful conspirators plan to "hide" a nuclear explosion in the Gulf of Mexico.
One more small point: The list of persons deceased who had some level of connection with the incident or subsequent spill containment efforts is seemingly provided implying that they were probably silenced by those incompetent/supercompetent agencies and BP. Should we assume that all the police and medical personnel involved in their deaths are all part of the vast conspiracy?
After much thought, it seems to me that we are certainly being asked to suspend our common sense and intellectual abilities, not by BP and the "government", but by the conspiracy theorists and the bloggers whose assertions they so easily accept. I do agree that BP and the agencies often made statements and assertions they could not really support----more likely the result of garden variety misinformation, human errors and some wishful thinking and hyping by the media rather than by a BP/government conspiracy.
We are all entitled to our opinions but, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof and I have not seen any real evidence of a "conspiracy"-----plenty of evidence for plain old incompetence does appear to be available however.
Actually it's all exactly as it appears to be on the surface... we just like to point out odd coincidences.
rwanders.
I live on the gulf coast. I actually worked for BP for 8 years. My Uncle Jimmy worked in the Texas City refinery for 42 years as Amoco and then BP. He was a pipefitter and volunteer firefighter. He served on the plant fire department for over 30 years. He worked the BP Texas City refinery explosion and did the horrible things needed that day a few years ago. He retired a few years after that. BP asked him to come back to work to help with the cleanup. He worked in several locations. He went from lineman to senior supervisor in Mississipi over lines. He told his boss something unkind and was fired in the middle of it because he refused to do the wrong thing. They hired him back three days later and he got the fun of firing the guy who fired him. I have more respect for my Uncle than just anyone else I know. He still stands by BP and defends them when the subject comes up.
I personally quit BP about 6 months ago. They are a global fortune 4 company, and with that, yes they do make calculated decisions. I personally decided that I would not be party to the decisions that I was being asked to hand down because of the effects on the people I had working for me. BP is very much calculated, very much 100% driven by bottem line, very much capable of any "bad" thing that may be applicable to them. To some extent, I do understand. However, I decided life had other options and I moved on.
Balancing all things out. I do not think BP has a vast conspiracy going on. I do think that people somewhere made bad choices, and then hid things, or tried to spin it, or tried to have law enforcement protect their interests. I do believe that fundamentally BP is a broken company that has no moral compass. But at the same time I think there are many many good people who stepped up to do the right thing. People who would not bury secrets, who had something to say and they said it. They are alive and breathing today. I personally deer hunt every year with 4 or 5 of them. These are people who had leadership roles in the cleanup and the delivery of the cleanup and claims process sites.
As for the folks in that webpage, I dunno. Personally I think Matt Simmons went off the rails years ago. I have never heard much about the rest of them. (And while I may or may not be a fan of Ted Stevens, I think the idea of his death as related is a hell of a stretch).
Quote from: rwanders on April 07, 2011, 07:09:08 PM
??? I'm confused------are BP and the numerous local, state and federal agencies involved in this stew of facts, alleged facts, unsupported assertions,speculations and wild guesses incompetent bumblers or are they all part of an incredibly complex and masterful conspiracy involving thousands of people who have never been able to pull off this kind of scheme successfully or to keep their attempts secret in the past?
Are the "whistleblowers" and conspiracy bloggers cited as the only ones who know the "true story" heroic unbiased public servants or are they serial rumor mongers seeking to either make a few bucks, hoping to achieve their 15 minutes of fame or just scratch some personal psychological itch?
And most of all, I'm really curious how those masterful conspirators plan to "hide" a nuclear explosion in the Gulf of Mexico.
One more small point: The list of persons deceased who had some level of connection with the incident or subsequent spill containment efforts is seemingly provided implying that they were probably silenced by those incompetent/supercompetent agencies and BP. Should we assume that all the police and medical personnel involved in their deaths are all part of the vast conspiracy?
After much thought, it seems to me that we are certainly being asked to suspend our common sense and intellectual abilities, not by BP and the "government", but by the conspiracy theorists and the bloggers whose assertions they so easily accept. I do agree that BP and the agencies often made statements and assertions they could not really support----more likely the result of garden variety misinformation, human errors and some wishful thinking and hyping by the media rather than by a BP/government conspiracy.
We are all entitled to our opinions but, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof and I have not seen any real evidence of a "conspiracy"-----plenty of evidence for plain old incompetence does appear to be available however.
I've been following the USCG Joint investigation hearings, there have been 7 sessions, the last finished up today. There are many survivors, all of whom, right down to rig floor survivors, who have been asked to testify under oath. There are a few higher on the food chain at Transocean and BP who have pled the 5th and refused to testify, but the vast majority of them have. There is no way you can take over 100 witnesses who were present at the event, and are from a wide spectrum of social and educational back grounds and get them all to sing the same song. So, what information has come out at the hearings, in the aggregate, adds up to what happened.
A forensic report just came out on 3/23 on the Blowout preventor, done by an independent 3rd party. This is part of the USCG fact gathering process.
There are certain folk at BP and Transocean who are wanting to and probably trying to cover up what they can....and although the last 2 sets of hearings have been videod, those vids have not been made available to the public as yet. This is unusual, and I was just starting to weigh the benefit of filing an FOIA request to get them against coming up on the radar to do so.
Maybe the report on the blowout preventer, or something revealed between December 2010 and now has caused the USCG to drag their feet with publishing the last 2 sets of hearings. Up to that point, getting information was no problem.
However, the genie is out of the bottle with this one, if you choose to plow through the massive collection of documents, testimony, and other evidence available to date.
No conspiracy in my view, just a massively horrible material manifestation of management riding for the quarterly earnings reports rather than taking a breath and considering the consequences of the odds tipping against them.
If there is going to be a cover up, the Feds will be in on it, hoping that no one besides the attorneys will be digging through all the data and writing media articles about it.
After all, its been almost a year, people forget quickly. When is the last time you saw a newspaper article on the investigation?....nope just a short clip a few days ago because of the upcoming first anniversary.
[cool] Muldoon & Considerations;
Thank you for your thoughtful and measured response to my post on this subject. I agree in large part with you. I am somewhat confident that the ongoing investigation will identify most of the root and contributing causes of the original incident and perhaps at least some of the facts around the response. I am also confident that some of the managers and executives, both private and governmental, will evade full accountability. Unfortunately, that is the way of the world. Some will also be quietly relieved of their positions without public notice---also the way of the world. Of course some will become scapegoats to help balance the final result----always a popular choice to tidy the record.
It seldom requires some grand conspiracy to cause bad incidents and the too-often efforts to evade accountability by individuals or organizations. The instinct for self preservation is present in all of us, including corporations and governments.
It's just another Enron, Halliburton, the S&L's & the biggie, the Federal Reserve, in my opinion. I've studied & read books on all of them - not pretty pictures...
I'm all for capitalism & a free market, but as John Adams said about our Republic & Constitution, also applies to corporations...
"We have no government armed in power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."
Oilfield person here too.....!
Not for BP but a service company , and I have worked on BP offshore projects.
every one seems to attack the exploration company, yes they hold overall responcibility
But all the equipment and work and carried out on that well was done by "service company's"
who both carry out the work and report back to the "company man" on the rig- he is the Expo companies representative.
usually just one guy per hitch on board. he is the onsite guy who controls the service company people and monitors their performance.
he is usally an older experienced guy- but in no way an expert at everything- hence the use of service companies
Cover up - conspiracy- nah- just a sad chain of events that led to the deaths of 11 men.
Were mistakes made- yep probably- was equipment failure not given a higher importance along the way - yes probably.
BP-Shell-Total -Maersk -Exonn etc etc all work to similar safety schemes, each has some small diferences but basicly no diference.
safety is the number one concern in the industry, its concidered at all levels and for every action.
Are there still accidents yes of course........was this a bad one yes - the worst
The outcome will be even more self regulations and maybe even governement controls forced on the companies....
In the UK sector the industry lost self regulation after Piper Alpha, safety regulations were then put into government hands....
the same company safety experts simply swapped hats, as local governement did not exactly have a large contingent of sub sea safety people !
In regards to subsea oil plooms - they do exist naturally, just like the tar pit in CA and the oil seeps just offshore.
Deaths in the people who assisted in the operations/ cleanups..........yep people die everyday......i would imagine if you compared the numbers to standard per capita death rates - I don't think you'd see any diferences.
What were the issues
Cement job HAL
Well control equipment BOP cameron
Well control transocean
All three companies are well known and experienced.
Is BP large - impersonal and bottom line driven..........yep
name me a successful top company that is'nt ?
the one I work is pretty much the same ........
Is there damage control at work .....yes probably .....more though to insure good science is being followed
rather than a couple of university students in a rubber boat picking up some tanker discharge.
When the initial reports were comming out on the news - the quality was awful, with stories being sprouted left and right by people who would not tell a BOP from a space station front door lock.
anyway enough waffling and back to the conspiracy theory.
PS
those that criticize the oil industry can back up their devotion and drop using all petroleum products
welcome to the stone age ! ;D
[cool] UK4x4
Hear! Hear! I too have had years of interaction with oil companies----my experiences are much the same as yours.
:) thanks to you both
You just can't make this stuff up
http://bx.businessweek.com/securities-and-exchange-comm/view?url=http%3A%2F%2Fc.moreover.com%2Fclick%2Fhere.pl%3Fr4466019476%26f%3D9791
WASHINGTON: Transocean Ltd., the world's largest offshore oil and gas drilling contractor, has given its executives pay raises, bonuses and stock options after the company's "best year" for safety, despite a deadly oil platform explosion and massive leak in the Gulf of Mexico.
"Notwithstanding the tragic loss of life in the Gulf of Mexico, we achieved an exemplary statistical safety record as measured by our total recordable incident rate and total potential severity rate," said Transocean in a filing on Friday to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). "As measured by these standards, we recorded the best year in safety performance in our company's history, which is a reflection on our commitment to achieving an incident-free environment, all the time, everywhere."
Nine of the 11 people killed in the April 20, 2010, explosion on the BP-leased Deepwater Horizon platform were Transocean employees. — AFP
Qoute:
WASHINGTON: Transocean Ltd., the world's largest offshore oil and gas drilling contractor, has given its executives pay raises, bonuses and stock options after the company's "best year" for safety, despite a deadly oil platform explosion and massive leak in the Gulf of Mexico.
First time I've heard of a major company doing that. I worked for a large pipeline owned by several oil companies for quite a few years. I remember a year when we had an almost perfect safety record which was good for a nice bonus for us----except we did suffer the loss of a long time employee when he drove a dump truck off the road and over a cliff. We all lost our safety bonus that year due to that tragic accident even though it did not appear that it was due to any malfeasance by the company or other individuals.
TransOcean does not look good if the report is accurate.
I think we are all stuck in a system where to meet our tax and cost of living obligations, we are stuck using oil, but ... yeah... I would be for the government shutdown expanding, going to local law and order, dropping all off shore aggression and occupation for oil and empire building.
Going to simply living off of the land, barter, helping family, friends and neighbor would be great, but then again, some Bozo would decide we needed more government and things would start all over again.....
I suppose somehow there are plenty of things to keep that from actually working, but we may be forced to find out soon. I think I am reasonably close to ready.
"I think I am reasonably close to ready." I would like to have your confidence.
Anyway, as far as seeing someone or someones "hang" for what happened on the Deepwater Horizon was not the focus of my interest. It's just a facet of the oil industry with which I was completely unfamiliar. I don't think accidents in any heavy industry are completely unavoidable. I think some are.
I see people in this county spending a lot of time pointing fingers and shouting "Off with their heads!" from a position of zero knowledge. I want to see if I can really understand what happened on the DWH to my own satisfaction.
Plus, there are dozens of survivors who really were heroes, some who panicked... but none of them wanted that disaster to happen.
I doubt anyone really knows how they would react until they are wearing the moccasins...
There is a class action suit being brought by some of the survivors, I think at least BP, Transocean, and Halliburton are named as defendants. That will be an interesting case to follow, as some of the anecdotal statements made early on do not seem to match the sworn testimony from the USCG hearings.
BP and at least Halliburton, maybe Transocean represent so much revenue and national security (think oil and natural gas) for this country, that it is doubtful that anyone will be flayed alive in public by the feds. They save that for the little companies who cannot afford to defend themselves.
We have been and will surely be treated to more Congressional Hearings on the whole sad story.
I hope we all realize that those hearings will add little to clarify the chain of events, actions, inactions and systemic fault lines that litter the sorry story of disaster. Like all such oversight committee performances, they are the american version of soviet show trials.
i grew up on Capitol Hill in DC. My stepfather was a US Congressman and a Chairman of such committees so I have direct experience which informs my opinion of them. Their purpose is not to hear evidence in the manner of a Court and to render a "just" decision, their purpose is to put on a performance, a "show". Their audience is primarily the media. Each committee member has his/her role to play and each person testifying also has an assigned role. The witnesses are extensively deposed and rehearsed by the committee staff prior to the hearing----a wise witness will listen carefully to the staff and will play their role faithfully---the staff does not baldly tell you how to play but, your role will be made clear if you are sensitive to the arc of their questions---you will be either a "villain" or a "hero" and god help you if you do not learn and recite your role. Uncooperative "villains" in particular will be severely pummeled by the committee. I have advised such witnesses prior to a hearing and, some have listened and survived fairly well. Others have not and have had their heads handed to them. Believe me, these committees (most members are attorneys and others are coached by staff attorneys) can make Mother Theresa look like Jack the Ripper and worse if you cross them. Play your role, look and sound properly chastened and patiently respond to their posturing, cleverly disguised as questions, and you will leave, bruised but still standing----fight them and your own mother may be ready to disown you when they are through.
The scene in the Godfather when Michael Corleone makes fools out of the committee is pure Hollywood-----doesn't happen. Like all good attorneys, the members never ask a question they don't already know the answer to.
Wow... Funny but I completely agree with you... I guess that is why they call them oversight committees. They look overtop of the problems but fail to see or do anything about them.
A covert ops person told me the same thing. It's all a play for public entertainment, and if you do not play properly you are not in a good position to say the least... that includes new congress people who want to change the good ol' boy system I understand.
I doubt they wanted it to happen, but the dispersal of corexit shows me they're more worried about money than morality.
QuoteIt's all a play for public entertainment...
Just like security theater.
Lots of fortunes to be made for those invested in Corexit. It's not being used because it is safe. Types of EM have been proven to do the job safely and are good for the environment. Follow the money. Not a conspiracy theory, but a conspiracy.
The Hindu
Online edition of India's National Newspaper
Monday, Apr 04, 2011
mmmmmm a worldly trustworthy newspaper ?
not so sure !
Does the industry pay out for safety performance - yes !
Each member of management has QHSE objectives and a percentage of salary against it..................if their objective was less than 15 deaths in the whole year- yep they probably got paid.
The rig manager would probably have had < 1 major injury in the year, so if he survived he did not get his.
Drilling rigs usually have the highest compensation and benifits through QHSE performance
Right or wrong people have to be given achievable targets -some years I do well- others not so good
Globally in our company the major causes of death is Heart attack- Driving - rigs and field
Driving was top but due to draconian regulations -spies in the cabs and speed limiters
natural causes is now the top scorer
To have rigs and field work as number three actually shows you that the safety systems in place work.
We will never have zero fatalities, we can only try and limit the quantity and severity.
Rigs operate 24/7/360 days of the year in the most inhospitable climates and conditions in the world
I am quite proud of my industry and its safety record- I know that my company goes out of its way to provide both the top training- protective gear
and most importantly the permission for EVERY employee to stop a job if he feels in anyway unsafe
Management support this through all levels !
"The Hindu
Online edition of India's National Newspaper
Monday, Apr 04, 2011
mmmmmm a worldly trustworthy newspaper ?
not so sure !"
google it
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wether or not the Hindu paper was the only version- it was the one that was linked and certainly not known for high quality reporting
and I did still explain why bonuses were still paid
"certainly not known for high quality reporting"
on what basis do you make this assertion ?
"and I did still explain why bonuses were still paid"
why of course, Transocean only killed 11 men and helped cause the largest oil spill disaster in world history ---
they certainly deserve those "safety" bonuses
::)
I still don't see any earning of bonuses as per the start of this posting..... I am sure Simmons was right and the leaking of crude from the failed bore is not stopped including coming from miles away through earth fractures opened by pressure from the failed bore.. We are long from seeing the end of this.
I am a well driller and understand the problems with trying to seal up a fractured unconsolidated formation under the kind of pressure this well had. It is impossible. It is like trying to glue miles of broken earth back together with a small amount of concrete sent down a leaking bore. Add to that oil under thousands of pounds of pressure from the other side blowing the seal away. I also subcontracted welding on oil drilling rigs including ARCO.
I say bonuses are not earned for the job they did, but looking at it another way... bonuses could have been earned for the quality of the coverup and getting the public to believe the problem is largely over.
A first class performance there and well deserving of the bonuses.... [waiting]
"certainly not known for high quality reporting"
on what basis do you make this assertion ?
even my ex Indian employees watched BBC world,CNN etc and on the net- nothing more
"and I did still explain why bonuses were still paid"
why of course, Transocean only killed 11 men and helped cause the largest oil spill disaster in world history ---
they certainly deserve those "safety" bonuses
I never said they were deserved- or wether it was right
just how the system works
You got it... that is how the system works [ouch]
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Quote...just-released confidential BP and government emails...
* The government is keeping scientists away from "ground zero" of the oil spill and - for that reason - scientists cannot accurately measure the size of the oil spill
* When university scientists found underwater oil plumes, the government said shut up, don't tell anyone ... and then tried to discredit them
* BP and government representatives are still keeping scientists and reporters away from areas impacted by oil
* BP is controlling university research, and the professor who downplayed the oil spill is being called a "shill" by a fellow professor
* BP and the government famously declared that most of the oil had disappeared, when it hadn't
* The government did everything in its power to help cover up the severity of the spill
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/04/internal-emails-confirm-that-bp-and.html
Simply not reporting the problem eliminates it.
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/rkistner/residents_say_dead_turtles_rot.html