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Title: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 21, 2010, 04:37:04 PM
Same as 9/11 and 7/7 and others..... Military training games before the event.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17122

Excellent Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR6O3kJTqaI    Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPn9ki5exxc&NR=1    Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41ZWBuQb6eQ&NR=1  Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8lgusPFEtk&NR=1 Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrrbHqKDFK0&feature=related  Part 5
Chavez says US did it

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=116688&sectionid=351020704

Relief efforts blocked

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/jan2010/hait-j21.shtml

Jesse Checks it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bGLhnmf95E&NR=1

Sorry - I couldn't find the second part of Jesse's interview.

Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank
Post by: RainDog on January 21, 2010, 04:38:18 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 21, 2010, 04:47:02 PM
Thanks, RainDog. :)
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: NM_Shooter on January 21, 2010, 05:47:31 PM
Glenn, this one may be your finest hour!

Can we light that thing off under Chavez?
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 21, 2010, 06:06:47 PM
Thanks, Frank.  I knew you would be pleased. :)

You don't believe in Jesse, Frank?
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: muldoon on January 21, 2010, 06:13:34 PM
I'll throw some fuel on this fire... all conspiracy theory speculation of course.  Seems kinda odd to me, the poorest nation in the western hemisphere sitting on huge resources for decades and not doing anything about it.  Kinda hard to fathom in this day and age. 

An October 2009 report about a UN/US occupation of Haitii -- OIL 
http://open.salon.com/blog/ezili_danto/2009/10/13/oil_in_haiti_-_economic_reasons_for_the_unus_occupation

A report from 2004 that talks about their Oil deposits
http://www.lngplants.com/HaitiGeology.htm

Another reference to Haiti oil
http://kiskeyanconnection.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=58


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Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 21, 2010, 06:16:01 PM
Looks like motive to me, muldoon.

(http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/haitkat_dees.jpg)

David Dees gives permission to use his art for educational purposes.  Thanks, David.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: ScottA on January 21, 2010, 08:35:46 PM
This is the first time I've seen an invasion disguised as humnitarian aid.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: MountainDon on January 21, 2010, 08:46:55 PM
Quote from: ScottA on January 21, 2010, 08:35:46 PM
This is the first time I've seen an invasion disguised as humnitarian aid.

(https://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q75/djmillerbucket/Emoticons/ththumbs_up.gif)
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 21, 2010, 08:50:58 PM
But what do they have that we want?
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: ScottA on January 21, 2010, 08:52:19 PM
Oil
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: bayview on January 21, 2010, 09:24:52 PM



  Why don't we us HAARP for all of our conflicts if it is such a viable weapon.  Why not shake Afghanistan and Iraq into shambles with an earthquake?


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Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 21, 2010, 09:43:38 PM
We are already in there.  We need bodies to secure and protect the oil pipeline and our power base there as well as to provide protection for the industrial profit takers.   HAARP can't do that.

Much of the rest fhe world views it as an invasion also as Scott mentioned.

I'll bet we will need to provide "help" there almost forever.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: NM_Shooter on January 21, 2010, 10:40:10 PM
Well, I have to admit... Ventura is a well respected scientist, investigator, and world recognized deep thinker!  How can I argue with that!

(Anybody remember the bonephone music system?)
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 21, 2010, 11:37:11 PM
The technology was invented by Tesla and he disassembled the machine after he thought he blew up Tunguska on the other side of the world.  He disassembled it because he thought that it was to dangerous for man or governments to have that power. 

His papers were confiscated on his death by our government.

HAARP is based on his designs.

Do we think that if our elite and government have the technology, that they will not use it to benefit themselves?   Is Barky our only benevolent leader in the last few years?  :)
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: pagan on January 22, 2010, 08:00:25 AM
I thought Tesla's invention was seazed by the government, tested, and then mysteriously burned to the ground.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 22, 2010, 12:36:54 PM
Tesla had a lot of them.  The one I am speaking of he tested as the north pole was being explored and asked an acquaintance to report back..  Fact? - I'm not sure about the story but the machine was real.

Tesla believed he waqs responsible for blowing up Tunguska.

He also built a small resonator capable of inducing resonance into building structures that would destroy them.  It fit into his pocket.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17623644.800-tesla-and-tunguska.html
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: pagan on January 22, 2010, 12:58:03 PM
I'm thinking of his facility in CO. I've read reports from witnesses claiming that whenever Tesla turned on his equipment all of the animals in the area left until he turned everything off.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 22, 2010, 01:23:18 PM
Colorado Springs - took out the whole town generator and got himself in trouble.  Part of the story about half way down on the following link.

http://www.damninteresting.com/teslas-tower-of-power
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 22, 2010, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: NM_Shooter on January 21, 2010, 10:40:10 PM
Well, I have to admit... Ventura is a well respected scientist, investigator, and world recognized deep thinker!  How can I argue with that!

(Anybody remember the bonephone music system?)

Cool, Frank.  You have seen through his tough wrestler guy facade and seen into his Governor mentality and genuine genius.  I'm proud of you.  You are coming right along.. or are you funnin' me and actually accepting Obama as your true and legally elected president incapable of using high technology corruption to his and corporate America's advantage?  .... [waiting]
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: NM_Shooter on January 22, 2010, 10:37:56 PM
I love obama.  He's the greatest president since George W. Bush! 
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 23, 2010, 02:26:43 AM
O bama lama, o bama lu...... Little Richard was it?   [waiting]

Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: bayview on January 23, 2010, 07:49:28 AM


   Speaking of earthquakes . . . Yellowstone has had a "swarm" of more than 900 earthquakes since last Sunday.  Maybe this is the big one.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 24, 2010, 03:33:12 AM
It could be a gigantic one.
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Post by: rick91351 on January 24, 2010, 10:53:17 AM
We watch the seismic activity in Yellowstone real close.  The last quake swarm like this one was a little over a year ago but under Yellowstone Lake northern part still off shore and lined up close to Fishing Bridge.  (I like to call it the Obama swarm due to his election at that time.)  That said I do not remember it being quite this spread.  Another thing interesting this started a little east of it's present location and seemed to travel west.  It seems to have traveled way from the Lower Geyser Basin west.  This is usually magma and superheated steam repositioning itself.  You have to remember Yellowstone is very alive, it is always changing and evolving.  Now this quake swarm pretty well has lodged against one small part of the western edge of the caldera.  If you look at the red line on the map I linked to that does define the caldera.  (The bottom) 

http://www.seis.utah.edu/req2webdir/recenteqs/Maps/Yellowstone.html

Several things can happen; it certainly evolve into a small volcano traveling up the side of caldera.   It very well could start another thermal area.  Or most likely will just stop mysteriously and go into the data base like these all do.  Or maybe it is the start of a huge eruption, if it is that, stay tuned go one heck of a fireworks show.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: Whitlock on January 24, 2010, 11:22:15 AM
Quote from: bayview on January 23, 2010, 07:49:28 AM


   Speaking of earthquakes . . . Yellowstone has had a "swarm" of more than 900 earthquakes since last Sunday.  Maybe this is the big one.

I wonder if the Goverment as ponited the HAARP at yellowstone so we can drill for our own oil [scared] [crz] [waiting]
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: Don_P on January 24, 2010, 12:09:00 PM
There was oil under me at one time, seismic activity burned it eons ago.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: NM_Shooter on January 24, 2010, 12:19:28 PM
No oil under me.  Just gas.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 24, 2010, 03:02:42 PM
Quote from: NM_Shooter on January 24, 2010, 12:19:28 PM
No oil under me.  Just gas.


Quote from: Don_P on January 24, 2010, 12:09:00 PM
There was oil under me at one time, seismic activity burned it eons ago.

Me too, but rather than seismic activity it was cigarette lighter activity that burned it. .... [waiting]

A small fire erupted along with much patting and slapping of the flaming dingleballs on my houndstooth pattern trendy blue casual pants.  (After wearing the cloth got little dingleballs which were  highly susceptible to ignition I found out).

While the fire was dangerous enough, the good thing was that it mitigated the danger of having a major air pollution problem.  [scared]

Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: poppy on January 24, 2010, 07:28:42 PM
I've gassed my dingle berries a number of times.
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Post by: muldoon on January 26, 2010, 11:36:47 AM
Haiti petroleum reserves has gone from suspected/rumored to confirmed. 

I am sorry, this article itself is just ridiculous.  Why on earth would we need an earthquake to find oil and gas. 
geology fail for the reporter.  I am only posting it because what was speculation a week ago is bloomberg news today. 


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=aUqFB_GbhRYM

Jan. 26 (Bloomberg) -- The earthquake that killed more than 150,000 people in Haiti this month may have left clues to petroleum reservoirs that could aid economic recovery in the Western Hemisphere's poorest nation, a geologist said.

The Jan. 12 earthquake was on a fault line that passes near potential gas reserves, said Stephen Pierce, a geologist who worked in the region for 30 years for companies including the former Mobil Corp. The quake may have cracked rock formations along the fault, allowing gas or oil to temporarily seep toward the surface, he said yesterday in a telephone interview.

"A geologist, callous as it may seem, tracing that fault zone from Port-au-Prince to the border looking for gas and oil seeps, may find a structure that hasn't been drilled," said Pierce, exploration manager at Zion Oil & Gas Inc., a Dallas- based company that's drilling in Israel. "A discovery could significantly improve the country's economy and stimulate further exploration."

Haitian Prime Minister Jean-Max Bellerive met yesterday in Montreal with diplomats, including U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to discuss redevelopment initiatives. Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon said wind power may play a role in rebuilding the Caribbean nation, where forests have been denuded for lack of fuel, the Canadian Press reported.

"Haiti, from the standpoint of oil and gas exploration, is a lot less developed than the Dominican Republic," Pierce said. "One could do a lot more work there."

Abraham Lincoln's Consul

The Dominican Republic shares the island of Hispaniola with Haiti. It may have 3 million barrels of oil in a shallow offshore formation that's probably also shared by Haiti, Pierce said.

"One of the main reasons for the dearth of information on reserves in Haiti is that the Dominican Republic has numerous surface-hydrocarbon seeps while Haiti had very, very few," he said.

Abraham Lincoln's consul to the Dominican Republic reported oil seeps there in 1862. Neither nation produces oil or gas. As much as 1 trillion cubic feet of gas may be trapped in a border formation near the earthquake fault, Pierce said.

Pierce hasn't worked in Hispaniola since joining Zion in February 2005. He said he's unaware of any petroleum geologists conducting fieldwork in Haiti. There has been exploration of Ocoa Bay, the largest potential oil deposit in the Dominican Republic, he said.

600,000 Without Shelter

"All basins cross the border," said Paul Mann, co-author of a 1991 paper in the Journal of Petroleum Geology on Hispaniola's petroleum potential. The paper concluded that "existing seismic data indentify undrilled prospects."

More than 600,000 people are without shelter in the Port- au-Prince area, the United Nations said Jan. 22. The 7.0- magnitude quake destroyed about one-third of the buildings in Port-au-Prince. It also knocked out the capital's seaport and water and sewage systems.

"Relief and recovery for the survivors is the priority now," Mark Fried, a spokesman for British charity Oxfam, said in a statement. "Hundreds of thousands who lost everything but their lives" need water, shelter and toilets to stop the spread of disease, he said.

'Colossal' Reconstruction

Haiti will need "massive support" for a "colossal" reconstruction from the earthquake, Bellerive said at the meeting yesterday in Montreal.

The Greater Antilles, which includes Cuba, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and their offshore waters, probably hold at least 142 million barrels of oil and 159 billion cubic feet of gas, according to a 2000 report by the U.S. Geological Survey. Undiscovered amounts may be as high as 941 million barrels of oil and 1.2 trillion cubic feet of gas, according to the report.

Among nations in the northern Caribbean, Cuba and Jamaica have awarded offshore leases for oil and gas development. Trinidad and Tobago, South American islands off the coast of Venezuela, account for most Caribbean oil production, according to the U.S. Energy Department.

To contact the reporter on this story: Jim Polson in New York at jpolson@bloomberg.net.

Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 26, 2010, 11:55:30 AM
Haiti full of oil January 28, 2008

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.metropolehaiti.com%2Fmetropole%2Ffull_une_fr.php%3Fid%3D13439

There is also proven  Gold there to exploit.

http://www.thestar.com/printarticle/238365
http://www.eurasianminerals.com/s/Haiti.asp

We are now planning to occupy Haiti for a long time.  I read 18000 troops there the other day.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=116762&sectionid=351020706

Haitians  die as Hillary stages a photo op, and later in the day, has a new pant suit flown in -

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EVERYTHING YOU need to know about the U.S. aid effort to assist Haiti in the wake of the catastrophic earthquake can be summed up by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's touchdown in Port-au-Prince on Saturday, January 16: they shut down the airport for three hours surrounding her arrival for "security" reasons, which meant that no aid flights could come in during those critical hours.

If there was one day when the Haitian people needed aid to flow all day long, that was the day, because the people trapped under the rubble on Tuesday evening couldn't survive much beyond Saturday without water.

Defenders of Clinton will say that her disimpassioned, monotone, photo-op speech was needed to draw attention to the plight of the Haitians. But no one north of hell can defend her next move: according to airport personnel that I spoke to during my recent evacuation from Haiti, she paralyzed the airport later that same day to have a new outfit flown in from the Dominican Republic.

I am having a hard time readjusting to life back home after having survived the earthquake and witnessed so much death, so even typing those words is making my heart pound uncontrollably. I guess for America's rulers, a new pantsuit is more valuable than the lives of poor, Black Haitians.

Unfortunately, Clinton's model of diverting and delaying critical aid to the Haitian people, while emphasizing security, has become standard operating procedure.

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/216317
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: RainDog on January 26, 2010, 01:17:11 PM

Haiti is full of oil say Daniel and Ginette Mathurin

WWII was staged. It never really happened. (Donald Holmes)

There were no aliens! They didn't give me an anal probe and they can't control my mind! - Eric Cartman

  ;D
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: pagan on January 26, 2010, 01:35:16 PM
Cartman DID get an anal probe.

WWII DID happen.

Therefore Haiti MUST be full of oil.

I'm getting tired of all of these celebrities spouting off about how wonderful they are for sending millions of dollars, organizing telethons, flying their personal jets filled with supplies (including a few Scientology ministers), and I just know they're going to put on an award show to honor themselves for all their humanitarian work.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: RainDog on January 26, 2010, 01:47:32 PM
Quote from: pagancelt on January 26, 2010, 01:35:16 PM

I'm getting tired of all of these celebrities spouting off about how wonderful they are for sending millions of dollars, organizing telethons, flying their personal jets filled with supplies (including a few Scientology ministers), and I just know they're going to put on an award show to honor themselves for all their humanitarian work.


I just assume that those guys are told by their agents to do good deeds, preferably high profile ones, as a form of advertising and public relations.

Geez... I have so little faith in human goodness, huh?  ;D
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 26, 2010, 02:01:58 PM
It makes sense that Haiti's oil has not been developed due to no safety for contractors.

Afghanistan did not get it's oil pipeline until GWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld cleared the way and got troops in there in about 2002.  In about 2000 negotiations with the Taliban stopped as they wanted money for exploitation of their natural resources.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: pagan on January 26, 2010, 02:29:39 PM
RainDog,

I have faith in human kindness, I just question the true motives of people who tell you how wonderful they are while they're being kind, and always asking you to be kind like them in return. George Clooney donates $1 million, which to most of us is a shit load of money, hell, I could retire and never work another day in my life with $1 million, but to a guy who makes around $25 million per year it's not that big of a deal. Madonna is worth around $500 million, so her $250,000 donation is a tiny fraction of what she's worth. If I were to donate a proportional share of my worth, like Madonna, my Haitian donation would be a few pennies. John Travolta is flying one of his personal jets to Haiti with humanitarian aid, doctors, and Scientology ministers; we can see the true purpose of his so called humanitarian flight.

Perhaps it's the cynic in me, but I just get really tired of celebrities.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: RainDog on January 26, 2010, 02:42:17 PM
Quote from: glenn kangiser on January 26, 2010, 02:01:58 PM
It makes sense that Haiti's oil has not been developed due to no safety for contractors.

Afghanistan did not get it's oil pipeline until GWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld cleared the way and got troops in there in about 2002.  In about 2000 negotiations with the Taliban stopped as they wanted money for exploitation of their natural resources.

The Unocal Afghan proposal to move natural gas from Turkmenistan to Pakistan was closed in '98, and never revived.

"The idea of Afghanistan re-emerging as a transit corridor for Caspian oil and gas is not remotely realistic in today's circumstances — even in a best-case scenario in which Afghanistan were to emerge from the present conflict with a vigorous, broadly based and stable government with strong international support," says Laurent Ruseckas, a Caspian expert at Cambridge Energy Research Associates.

Haiti would be good for a couple thousand barrels a day at best, and more likely closer to that of the Dominican Republic, which stands at a whopping 12 barrels per.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: pagan on January 26, 2010, 03:15:38 PM
My understanding of the Afghan pipeline was that the Taliban had contracted with some Argentinean company and after the invasion one of the first acts by Karzai was to negate the contract and offer it to American companies.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: RainDog on January 26, 2010, 03:56:45 PM
 The customers that Unocal foresaw for Turkmen gas are gone. Turkey has now gets supplies from Russia and Azerbaijan, while Pakistan has discovered domestic supplies. India's not going to buy gas running through Pakistan, which could cut the flow at any time.

Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Turkmenistan have announced that they plan on reviving the project, but no energy firm has expressed any interest in working with them. No Unocal, no nobody.

It was a faulty plan at conception, and there is and will not be any secret Afghan pipeline conspiracy for war. These kinds of theories are the product of getting one's information from the Internet, and/or from far-right or left-wing sources.

I'm not an expert on Central Asian Energy, but I've been employed primarily laying pipelines for oil companies for most of my life, so do pay a bit of attention to the subject.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 26, 2010, 10:58:20 PM
I still think it was a motivation for our invasion at the time, and as you stated they are still talking about it and possibly trying to get Barky to bite on it.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0e09d8fa-fea4-11de-91d7-00144feab49a.html

Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: pagan on January 27, 2010, 07:36:08 AM
"...from hell, through hell, to hell."

About sums it all up.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: Pox Eclipse on January 27, 2010, 09:03:07 AM
Quote from: pagancelt on January 26, 2010, 01:35:16 PM

I'm getting tired of all of these celebrities spouting off about how wonderful they are for sending millions of dollars, organizing telethons, flying their personal jets filled with supplies (including a few Scientology ministers), and I just know they're going to put on an award show to honor themselves for all their humanitarian work.


Damn them for being generous!  They're just doing it to make Kelsey Grammer, Ted Nugent and Dennis Miller look bad!
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: RainDog on January 27, 2010, 09:38:09 AM
 Nah, damn them for buying relatively cheap self-advertising under the guise of good works.

I'm not saying it's some kind of mortal sin or anything, but it is kinda gruesome.

Doesn't help that the "good works" they do is very often of highly questionable practical value, compared with simply writing a check to an ethical charity.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: pagan on January 27, 2010, 10:27:27 AM
Pox,

You completely missed my point.
Title: Re: Haiti... for Frank and anyone else interested :)
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 27, 2010, 06:33:28 PM
Good article.

Haiti and the seismic weapon 

http://www.voltairenet.org/article163729.html