What do any of you think of this guys take on the situation here?
http://en.rian.ru/world/20081124/118512713.html
I think he hit it dead on Glenn. I've been saying the US would breakup just like The Soviet Union and he just about told the same story.
typical russian ego involved in hypothisis but brings out some valid points. savior obama(can he pull off miracles?),the amero(rumors about this but i think that eventually the whole world will be on a sort of credits system, so many credits for work, goods etc., not to be confused with credit cards or their ilk.),this would also eliminate fluctuations in currencies and the money speculators. it will work good until somebody gets in power that takes over the credit computers and controls the whole worlds monetary system. better have your stuff together before then(no buying/ selling w/o the mark maybe?).
w/russia's return to communism(didn't they try this before?) nobody's going to let them run anything in europe. they only do one thing well-intimidate. thier economy isn't very healthy right now just like everyone else's.
I do believe the US will be headed off stage and will have to take a seat with the other countries. China and Russia may become "the main superpowers" for a short while. but in the end I believe it will be good for the States. if we arent the police we can start worrying about ourselves and begin to fix our own problems. I dont see china and russia lasting long before they both suffer uprisings from their oppressed people.
And if it ever comes down to a mark or a chip to function in the monetary system I'll be keeping close to my cabin in the forest and dealing with others on a strict barter system. :(
Could happen. I'm not ruling anything out at this point. Might be for the better.
nothing is certain right now by any means, but in my opinion this scenario is likely over time.
I do not think the amero is on the table anymore.
The only US split up I see is California breaking off and falling into the Pacific with a huge earthquake. ;) That's not likely either.
The USA came to be united in a completely different manner than the way the former USSR came about. I don't believe there would be any great advantages to the USA splitting into smaller components.
Of course that could be way off the mark. ??? It could be wishful thinking. ???
Factions in Quebec have been making separatiste noises for decades and they are still a part of Canada, although with their own law and taxation system, signs in French, and so on. They are still attached to Canada because in the main, it is recognized that there is more good than bad with that association.
Don,
I agree with your line of thinking in general on this. But I do see some things on the horizon that may change peoples attitudes. Number one on this list is state bankruptcies, second on the list is the massive failure that pension plans are about to become. I think as a nation were bankrupt and yet we keep throwing money into a black hole that can never be repaid. At some point, the system does not hold and taxation alone does not begin to cover the balance.
Add to this extreme governmental policies around civil rights violations, very high unemployment, high taxation, inflationary costs for food and energy, and you can get the kind of powder keg environment where "change" is possible.
Not saying I know what the future holds anymore than the next person, but desperate people are dangerous people. America has became fat and lazy and stupid because of our apathy. We as a populace (in general, certainly not everyone) are quite comfortable and unaware of what is going on around us. Remove those comforts and see what happens. Plenty of history to back that up.
To me Osamabama looks like he will continue the destruction of the US. At a point, it looks like some kind of conflict or breakup is inevitable.
He and his entire staff are sworn to do Israel's bidding at the expense of the US also. If this trend continues it must add to the destruction of the US as we have no way to pay for it without inflation and expanding debt.
The continuing bailouts--- milk and eggs come from stores... money comes from a deep bag? ??? That is all we need to know. Our polys and financial people can just keep reaching deeper into the mysterious money bag and pay for everything. Sure - that will work. We can continue business as we have always done. No problem.
All financial moves now seem to be to protect the elite and when the people wake up and the elite find that tossing fists full of green paper in the air in a self made shower no longer feels good, I see major changes coming.
I think the Russian has some valid points. The world is watching us. Are we watching ourselves?
Your thinking is sound Don...except...the South. Texas has always considered itself close to independent. Florida will go with NY and the other Northeast states and the South, Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, North Carolina have not forgotten the war of Northern aggression. West Virginia will likely go with us and split despite our state government position.
I made my rounds through the news again tonight and I've come to the conclution that we're screwed. The pace of theft and total lack of enforcment of the laws at the upper levels leads me to belive they may just turn out the lights in D.C. and leave us to fend for ourselves.
I mean where in the hell are all these billions comming from that they are using for bailouts? How are they ever going to recover this money? How can they hope to stimulate the economy with credit? They can't. The only answer is that they have no intention of fixing any of this and will simply walk away with all the stolen money.
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I totally agree with you, Scott. I see one last grab for all they can carry in the large brown paper shopping bag. It's like that giveaway where they can take all they can grab in 5 minutes for free. It's the least we can give them for the selfless service they have rendered to our country......
before someone brings in the guillotine.
I really dont see that immediate doom you are all seeing. yeah the Government sucks and financially were playing with monopoly money. I think the elite will figure out a way to stabilize the economy(to continue to exploit it.) for another decade or so with another bubble. d* Just because a farm isnt doing good doesnt mean a farmer will free all his horses. Obama is going to look like a savior, he will be worshipped, and we won't figure out he screwed us until hes out of office.(sound familiar? except I'm positive Obama will have a better taste when it comes to interns :-*)
I hope you're right wildbil but I think Obama is a patsy not a savior. They are setting him up to take the fall. The thing that's driving my opinion on all this is the market manipulation that's taking place with no government enforcment of the laws that are suposed to keep the markets honest. In fact the government is helping the law breakers every chance it gets. Doesn't look like a government that's planning to be around for the long haul. It looks like a mad money grab to followed by a race to the exits.
I don't think anyone feels it's an absolute Bill. I may feel a little more strongly that most and even I know there are a lot of different tracks this can take.
I am sure of a meltdown and IMHO we're in it now. Again, where it goes, anyone knows.
Do you have a spare tire in your car? Are you certain you will have a flat?
Same thing...just try to be ready for any situation that comes up.
I agree with Scott and Peter, Bill. Things are getting screwed right now. A US p resident is nothing more than a puppet. The real guys running the country in the shadows (whoever all that includes) are the ones destroying it.
Meltdown --- how far depends on how hot it gets.
Spare tire -- I always carry one for my equipment trailer to insure I don't have a flat. It is for sure that if I get a rock cut in a tire it will not be the old bald one that is destroyed... it will be the new one. I have had times in the past where I don't have a flat...the whole hub, drum, wheel and tire comes off. That is what may happen here. Think about it. Better to be prepared and have a backup plan all of the time. I keep spare parts for all.
QuoteNote that Drudge Report picked up this same story, censored it, copied it and posted it as his without reference to the original story.
25 November 2008
Drudge report deceptively promotes a russian analyst 'decline and breakup of u.s.' prediction
we had just finished posting a ria novosti article captioned "russian analyst predicts decline and breakup of u.s." when we flipped over to the drudgereport and was quite surprised to see that matt drudge appeared to be giving the same article big publicity with an over the logo, giant type headline:
www.drudgereportarchives.com
expecting to find the usual deep link; directly to the ria novosti article we were surprised and suspicious to be taken to a copy and paste job from the drudgereport website instead:
www.drudgereport.com/flashrur.htm
a closer look reveals that besides mr. drudge not giving any credit whatsoever to the ria novosti website, he left out a couple of very important paragraphs from the article:
On the fate of the U.S. dollar, he said: "In 2006 a secret agreement was reached between Canada, Mexico and the U.S. on a common Amero currency as a new monetary unit. This could signal preparations to replace the dollar. The one-hundred dollar bills that have flooded the world could be simply frozen. Under the pretext, let's say, that terrorists are forging them and they need to be checked."
When asked how Russia should react to his vision of the future, Panarin said: "Develop the ruble as a regional currency. Create a fully functioning oil exchange, trading in rubles... We must break the strings tying us to the financial Titanic, which in my view will soon sink."
this couldnt have been a simple mistake on mr. drudge's part because he included the last sentence from the ria novosti article in his copy and paste job.
so, what is mr. drudge really up to by deceptively promoting a russian analysts prediction about the breakup of the usa while at the same time suppressing any mention of the amero currency and the north american union as well as the original articles origin?
Link
Here is where I found the original story with a link to the original which I posted.
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/182167
It would be well to read the parts Drudge didn't want you to see. He knows what he is not supposed to print...
I heard that there have been not only 2, but 13 attempts to assassinate Obama. I heard he was resisting SS requests that he wear body armor all of the time.
I also heard that the government has already played out the scenario (war game simulations) where Obama is assassinated, riots start between the blacks, Mexicans and whites. They are claimed to escalate out of control (or will be fueled by gov. as in Seattle WTO riots) In the game, Martial law was declared and citizens guns were confiscated by the Feds and military. Local police forces have been procticing and arming military style for this for a long time. Closing off the big cities and access through military checkpoints was already practiced in real time several years ago in South LA, California area.
Three groups of military have already been deployed on US soil as of October 1st. Indications of non-lethal weapon testing appeared in Salem, Oregon shortly after their deployment with the so called non-lethal weapon, as many people got vertigo and collapsed and were taken to the hospital. You won't find a lot of reference to this in the news.
Glenn,
Sounds similar to when MLK was assassinated. National Guard was deployed, riots occurred. We have been down this path before. King was more important to African Americans that Obama is. I think that if Obama is assassinated it will unify the country rather than divide it. This has happened whenever key symbolic institutions in this country are attacked, especially the presidency. A loss of the President of the United States is a loss for all Americans. The cause of whoever commits such a horrible act of violence will forever be vilified in America. Look at what happened to Muslim Americans after 911, or bigots after MLK was assassinated.
I agree with Squirl. The assassination of a president, any color, any creed would cause the vast majority of Americans to unite. There would, of course, be some who would immediately point fingers at any number of conspiracy theories. There would be blacks blaming whites and whites blaming terrorists or CEO's and who knows what other kind of nonsense. However, for the most part we would be united against the person or people behind the deed.
As far as reports of more attempts than currently reported, maybe. :-\ But I'd be more inclined to think that to be more likely disinformation from somebody with some sort of an agenda. ???
We all see the writing on the wall.
Anyone want to make any guesses on when hyperinflation starts?
I agree with you Squirl, if the people are the ones controlling the response to the possible assassination, but if the shadow government are the controllers as they were in Seattle, I look for them to escalate it into a cause for martial law.
They may not let the normal reaction take place, as gun confiscation is one of their goals and Biden has already promised a generated crisis to the Dem financiers of his party in the latter part of January.
Of course it is a wait and see thing.
...and there is always the lone gunman theory..... d*
Quote from: Bishopknight on November 26, 2008, 01:10:29 PM
We all see the writing on the wall.
Anyone want to make any guesses on when hyperinflation starts?
I think it is right around the corner, BK.
Was just reading "Rude Awakening" - a financial analysis website - talking about US Treasury Bonds - inflation vs deflation... all my 401k (Thrift Savings Plan - Federal) retirement is in treasury bonds... the only thing that is stable & I can't get the money out until I retire or quit - I have 18 more months to when I can retire but 2 yrs before I'm 59 1/2 & can take the $$ out without penalties... >:( what to do, what to do...
http://www.agorafinancial.com/afrude/
I think prices will start up shortly after the first of the year. I expect gas to be back in the $3-$4 dollar range by next summer. Glenn could be right about the government starting riots to trigger martial law. I think the house of cards will start to fall in about 90 days. The government has to be close to running out of cash and the ability to get away with printing it. Unless the other nations are backing the US printing of money they will reach a point where they lose faith in the dollar. At that point all bets are off.
The recent 7.7 trillion committed has me concerned. Jim Rawles is also sounding the alarm as well.
I've been thinking of changing my house design from 2 story to 1 story because of the possibility of job loss/inflation/worsening economic outlook. I thought we had another year of decline with the economy but it might be better to err on the side of caution.
Perhaps this weekend, after my front walls are framed, I could order the trusses and have it shelled within a month. I dont really have to decide anything until next weekend but its on my mind.
hi sassy,
i retired early when a special retirement package was offered and i was burned out from working w/criminally insane jail birds. very glad i did it. i am taking early s.s. payments at 62 because i am not sure anything will be there if i wait to 65. i figure a medium amount of somethin' is better than a whole lotta nothin'. sit down w/trog dude and crunch numbers. good luck on your decisions.
I have to get in 20 yrs before I get any retirement... I wonder if there will be anything - things may be totally changed by then... it's not a whole lot anyway - most of the money the gov't figures for our retirement is from the TSP (them matching 5% of our contributions) & social security. So, if my TSP isn't worth anything by then - it would take me 3 yrs of working parttime like I am doing now to recoup what I will probably lose with the TSP - I could quit now, forget the piddly retirement - take out my TSP & if SS is around when I turn 62 - great... otherwise, I might lose it all - I could work up here doing home health, ER, hospice - whatever... hey, that's looking better every second... wouldn't make as much, but I'd be up here in the mountains, not have to deal with stuff down in the valley except to check on the house periodically - could rent it out once we get our downstairs in the cabin done enough where I could bring the furniture etc up...
I was telling Glenn, "what if everything goes down - I'm stuck in a Federal institution - ER - and can't leave... they could require us to stay..." they also are talking about making it mandatory to get vaccinations like flu shots etc. I won't take them...
There's always nursing jobs around... I have experience from ICU, patient education, wellness programs, ER, clinics, supervisor... so am pretty flexible...
apaknad - that must have been a pretty stressful job working with the criminally insane! Don't think I could do it...
BK, instead of the scissor trusses you could have some attic trusses made over part and vaulted in part. You could expand into the attic later. Attic trusses have a place for a room in the middle of them. I forget what your pitch was but steeper would be good for them for more room.
Interesting thought Glenn. I'll have to see if the scissor trusses can mesh seamlessly with attic trusses.
http://www.wsitruss.com/Prod_3dayframe.asp?State=ME&Loading=42&TrussType=ATT&Pitch=8&Overhang=2&OverallLength=28
geez sassy, i can only say to seek guidance from a higher source. you have alot of experience in many phases and nurses are always in high demand.
Quote from: Squirl on November 26, 2008, 12:51:03 PM
Glenn,
Sounds similar to when MLK was assassinated. National Guard was deployed, riots occurred. We have been down this path before. King was more important to African Americans that Obama is. I think that if Obama is assassinated it will unify the country rather than divide it. This has happened whenever key symbolic institutions in this country are attacked, especially the presidency. A loss of the President of the United States is a loss for all Americans. The cause of whoever commits such a horrible act of violence will forever be vilified in America. Look at what happened to Muslim Americans after 911, or bigots after MLK was assassinated.
Reviewing this topic, Squirl, The last statement of Muslim Americans being vilified after 9/11 is interesting.
It is interesting because they had nothing to do with it. They were set up. It was a false flag. Not just the Muslim Americans, but Muslims anywhere in the world. Bin Laden immediately stated that he had nothing to do with it - that it was a rogue faction of our own government that did it. This was of course followed by a bunch of fake Bin Laden Tapes. My spook friend mentioned that he never knew Bin Laden to lie and he knew the later tapes were fake. GHW Bush partners in the Carlisle Group, the rest of the Bin Laden family were flown out even while the stand down order was still in effect.
The hijackers were immediately named - what - within a half hour - no investigation necessary. Many were trained and had addresses at our military bases. They partied at a bar and drank unlike Muslims. There were no Arab Names on the passenger lists, yet the list of hijackers presented were mostly Saudi Arabians, many alive and working in other countries. So of course-- we attacked Afghanistan then Iraq. The Saudi Arabains were Bush family house guests, considered family and they even called one Bandar Bush. Thanks for the assist, son. No problem Daddy B. The ones set up across the river and filming the event before it happened and dancing and celebrating when the planes struck were Mossad agents posing as a moving company. They were released and sent back. Why did this make them happy?
I don't want to get too far into this in this thread, but yes, through repetition and brainwashing, the public were made to believe Muslims did it. I did not even know what a Muslim was or care anything about them until I saw what our government and the American MSM did to them -- lowered them to the status of animals to take the fall for the real engineers of 9/11.
Note that I am not a Muslim. I just say lets put the blame where all of the fingers are now pointing. If you still think Muslims did it you are now in a minority. You need to research the facts and spit out the spoon fed MSM government pablum. It is laced with poison.
Note that I have no hard feelings about this or against anyone who believes otherwise. I'm just stating the facts. I am a Licensed Instrument/Commercial rated pilot and knew on the day it happened that our government had to assist it.
When my sister called me and told me it was going down, my immediate reaction to her was, "Bullshit. We had to do this as the ATC standard safeguards would not let it happen." IT COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED OTHERWISE. I didn't have to think for even one second about it. An airline security agent also confirmed it to me after he figured out I wasn't a plant.
...but, Squirl, my friend, you are right. The Muslims were vilified, just as the criminals in control of our government and their lapdogs, the oilsoaked MSM rags and talking heads, wanted them to be. Now we can kill them like dogs. No problem.
All of this is part of the coup that is leading up to the end of the United States Of America as our forefathers meant it to be. As they predicted if the power went unchecked, tyranny is taking over. Yes -- Change is likely to follow, but I doubt that the citizens will take it lying down.
As of today-
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28477607
http://www.iht.com/pages/europe/index.php
Interesting how Russia cuts of gas to the Ukraine.
Quote from: Whitlock on January 03, 2009, 12:53:20 PM
As of today-
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28477607
Late for comment, but they are finally commenting none the less.
I don't see it being as drastic as the analyst says, but Mexico has already unofficially taken over much of the south.
He failed to take into consideration the re-arming movement of the American Citizens by the installation of Osbama as president, as a unifying action in the US.
Quote from: StinkerBell on January 03, 2009, 01:13:07 PM
http://www.iht.com/pages/europe/index.php
Interesting how Russia cuts of gas to the Ukraine.
I have read in other places that there is a payment dispute. I also read that something is getting worked out -- who knows.[waiting]
I am no fan have how our government works and how I think it is corrupt, but I am also a lesser fan of Russia. It is all in the timing.
I am anti-authoritarian. I don't like anybody... [waiting]
Interesting glenn, seeing you have authority on this board. So you then self loath?
heh
Quote from: glenn kangiser on January 03, 2009, 02:02:41 PM
I am anti-authoritarian. I don't like anybody... [waiting]
You're reminding me of the old Kingston Trio song
Merry MinuetThey're rioting in Africa
They're starving in Spain
There's hurricanes in Florida
And Texas needs rain
the Whole world is festering with unhappy souls
The French hate the Germans, the Germans hate the Poles
Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch
And I don't like Anybody very much.
I am not prejudice I hate everyone equally.
Quote from: StinkerBell on January 03, 2009, 04:13:24 PM
Interesting glenn, seeing you have authority on this board. So you then self loath?
heh
I don't count, Stink - I am the center of my universe.... [noidea'
I doubt the deep understanding of any analyst that says Tennessee and Kentucky will join up with new York and new jersey. Talk about not understanding the underlying culture difference.
I agree and colorado, wyoming and montana would likely go with california. It's all hype anyway. They want us to get used to the idea of no more america so they can make a north american union.
I just timed out with my post --thanks kids. ;)
Anyway, the gist of it was that I don't think the "elite" have any need of money and they aren't keeping/letting us hang in there as a country because of that at all. If we're talking the true puppeteers, they've got all the money they need. It is my opinion that they're simply setting things up for us to give up our freedoms instead of taking the rest of what we have left from us. If they were to just take them we might put up a fight, but if they create a false-flag event then we willingly give away freedom for the sake of security. Which, in a nutshell, is slavery. It is also my opinion that should such an even as Obama being killed happen (no idea if that is likely or not) that it would unify the country just as 9/11 did. But, again, as it unified us as Americans it also unified us into a willingness to hand over freedom in trade for security. I think the same would hold true again. All they have to do is convince us of a threat and we'll hand em all over.
On the other hand, while I wouldn't be shocked if everything fell apart, I do think there will be groups of people who will uphold the constitution and will start banding together. Not in the internet style of togetherness, I mean in the "lets camp together and protect eachother" type of togetherness. Maybe that is way down the road, but history shows that once a country starts on the path of providing for its people (we've been on it a while now), it cannot do so and will collapse. The question is what will happen when collapse comes. Will someone shoot for a monarchy? Full-on communism? I don't know. I just know I'll be with the others who will fight and treck across the country on foot like the pioneers did to maintain my freedoms. I hope that when the time comes, you'll join with us.
I hope it doesn't have to come to that, Catherine but there are many of us here who are prepared to protect our freedom also. I don't think the elite counted on the American Citizens arming themselves to the extent they just have - guns and ammo are selling like hotcakes. Hopefully their knowledge of this is enough to make them rethink their thoughts of trying anything stupid.
We are all aware they are toying with a false flag attack on us - possibly one or more of the 6 nukes they stole from Minot AFB. Note that those nukes were not returned to the shelf.
Three are floating around unaccounted for and three went on to Israel I am told. With all of the dual citizens in office, you may as well figure there is a possibility of any of the 6 being used here if they wish. No proof for it yet but none against it either. A wait and see thing but if it happens look for them to shift the blame to someone else.
Here they are or arn't
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Navy_veteran_questions_why_six_nuclear_1008.html
Yup -- no report of what happened after that but I heard.
Several guys died for blowing the whistle on the Bush /Cheney Cabal theft of those. Cover stories were generated to make it look like they all died in coincidental accidents. I wonder if Cheney had to twist W's arm behind his back or offer to shoot him in the face to get him to authorize release of the armed nukes. There are so many layers of security it is impossible that it was an accident.
What happened to them after they were discovered and the American Patriots were killed is what no one is talking about.