I posted this on an Old Geezers forum the other day.
I wonder how many here remember these things.
When you could order a rifle from an ad in Field and Stream. Just send a check and they mailed you the gun.
A&N stores had 6.5 Italian Carcano's for 15.00 and it was just a matter of plunking down the money.
455 Webleys could be ordered for$12.00 each plus shipping.
Remember before they built the interstate highways. Here, the east/west route was 33. It was full of roadside restaurants and every 30 miles or so, there was a roadside picnic area (Waysides).
There were all the tourist stands, snake farms and scenic outlooks. Traveling was more fun then.
Do you remember when ...you'd get drunk and the town cop caught you.....and took you home for your parents to punish :shock:
Remember when a pocket knife was considered part of proper school supplies
Burma Shave signs.
Shave the modern way / No brush / No lather / No rub-in / Big tube 35 cents - Drug stores / Burma-Shave
As early as 1928, the writers were displaying a puckish sense of humor:
Takes the "H" out of shave / Makes it save / Saves complexion / Saves time and money / No brush - no lather / Burma-Shave
In 1929, the prosaic ads began to be replaced by actual verses on four signs, with the fifth sign merely a filler for the sixth:
Every shaver / Now can snore / Six more minutes / Than before / By using / Burma-Shave
Your shaving brush / Has had its day / So why not / Shave the modern way / With / Burma-Shave
A peach looks good/ with lots of fuzz/ but man's no peach/ and never was/Burma Shave.
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Vintage Route 66 tourist trap art.
when i was a kid i used to dream about going the whole length of route 66 like the old tv show(they had a corvette). i would still like to do it on what's left of the road.
Quote from: benevolance on August 14, 2008, 02:07:53 PM
I am all for the Cops helping kids and small town values..
Mail order rifles are not a good thing. I am all for more restrictions on ordering weapons... Legal citizens residents who pass a psych evaluation and have a clean criminal record can own guns... everyone else should never own or operate a weapon..
Our right to bear arms is jeopardized every time some felon commits a gun crime or some lunatic shoots 25 people down at the burger mart...Responsible ownership is absolutely necessary for continued ownership of firearms in America...We need to make sure that everyone who owns a gun takes a safety course..Learn how to keep their guns safe and out of kids hands... get gun safes.. register your weapons...be responsible
JMHO
Right...the gun control act of 1968 has done a lot to reduce crime, hasn't it.
Where do you get these ideas.
Like I said before, Sure glad the courts don't agree with you.....or the Lawmakers ....or.....
Learn how to keep their guns safe and out of kids hands... get gun safes.. register your weapons...be responsible
You forgot stop drop and roll and never talk to strangers rofl
Quote from: benevolance on August 14, 2008, 03:29:01 PM
Do you really think a mail order gun program should be legal then? If you own a gun it is a responsibility...We may have the right to own weapons and bear arms... but it is our responsibility to make sure that our weapons are secure.
In short yes. They could be ordered until 1968 and the prohibition hasn't reduced crime a bit.
We may have the right to own weapons
What's this We stuff white man...you ain't in the club, remember.
Since your always talking about beating people to death with tree limbs and pipes, I guess your not interested in having finger locks installed.
Since you don't own any guns, you don't need to concern yourself with how mine are kept. As far as registration, not here..now or ever!
Tell it to Sarah Brady.......I've heard the wind blow before! ;D
Thought you two would like each other. Just make sure she doesn't mistake you for hubby rofl rofl rofl :-X
Does the act of ordering a gun hurt anyone? Does owning a gun hurt anyone? Seriously, where is the victim when I write a check and place a rifle in my safe? Why should that act be restricted?
Because they can be stolen and used by criminals? It's already illegal to steal. Because they can be used in a crime? It's already against the law to murder people. Because they can be used carelessly and injur someone, that falls under manslaughter or negligent homicide. Because a child may get ahold of it? Negligence in childrearing is possible in any number of areas, do we outlaw bleach, or need to register gasoline so they dont huff it? No, we teach our children what is acceptable behaviour and we keep dangers away from them. Someone may get drunk or high and hurt themselves? Darwin wins. Hurt someone else, see above. I just do not understand the logic in making something illegal because someone might do something, make the thing they do illegal... and dammit it already is!
Honestly, please answer how more laws or government paperwork help when the ones we have now already do not?
As for registration, yes I will happily register a percentage of my firearms and be prepared to hand them over when the time comes. I also will keep some unregistered and will not.
Is this a Peter fight? That would be quite a sight. Burma Shave
Quote from: desdawg on August 14, 2008, 05:10:49 PM
Is this a Peter fight? That would be quite a sight. Burma Shave
Not really a fight...more a Pi$$ing match. Benovelence will be back after he wrings his shirt out. The laser sight makes all the difference. [slap]
Not sure how responsible this was:
Mr. Mossberg and I strolled across the road into a cornfield. About twenty rows deep. At that point I commanded Mr. Mossberg to unload four rounds, quickly........you know, just to check the spread pattern.
It appears I might owe the farmer for a bushel or two. ;)
It's the first time I've fired a gun in over thirty-five years. Felt good.
Well I was going to comment on the start of the thread but this seems more interesting. Just one thing about the registration of firearms. For every firearm that you have registered in your name you will eventiually be taxed on them each year. It is already in the works just waiting for the right time to spring or should I say shaft it on us. This is federal (IRS) and not state. Maybe a total revolt will be in order.
Here they started taxing us for cattle and farm machinery. Enough farmers revolted and after 3-4 years they did away with it. In my case I had cattle for 5 months a year and was taxed for the whole year just because i owned them before the tax year started.
So get ready to show that they (the firearms) were sold and who they were sold to or you will be paying for them every year for the rest of your lives and then the person you leave them to will as well if there is a paper trail.
Quote from: benevolence on August 14, 2008, 05:30:20 PM
Never be afraid of information Peter...Expanding your mind will not hurt it... Quite the contrary
And as for mail ordering guns...Unfortunately we have to make sure that we at least try to keep firearms out of the hands of felons and the mentally ill. Ending mail order firearms was one way to make it harder for felons and the mentally ill to buy weapons.
Is it a pain to go down show id fill out forms consent to a background check to buy a weapon...Yeah sure. But if we had guns in Bubble gum machines where we inserted the money pulled the handle and out came a gun...That would be criminal. So you have to fill out a form or show id to purchase a weapon...As long as you abide the law nobody says you cannot own guns. Which is exactly in correlation with the second amendment.
There is nothing wrong with responsible ownership.
I'm not afraid of information, but I've got a pretty good picture of you now! Lots of baggage there.
Hate to break it to you, but if you don't feel like paperwork, pick up the trading post and take your pick. Private sales are exempt. I'm surprised you didn't pick that up from Sarah's site. She's been running around ranting with a wild eyed squall about loopholes for years. Everyone just laughs at her. Kind of like most gun control nuts.
Quote from: benevolance on August 14, 2008, 08:04:33 PM
I spent about 5 minutes on that site...I had never heard of her before. i am not big gun advocate...I like to annoy NRA faithful though [cool]
You mean like Sassy - she belongs to the NRA. d*
Quote from: benevolance on August 14, 2008, 09:18:44 PM
Glenn you know what I am talking about...Some of the greatest pleasures in life are bugging the overly zealous religious fanatics and gun lobbyists
If your talking about bugging me, I'm enjoying it. It's a little like watching a
monkey and a football!
Good response....kinda like, Same to you fella! rofl
the show was called "route 66" and these two guys drove around and ran into adventures and problems. corvette was cool, show was mediocre.
You can drive on some of the original Route 66 through Albuquerque. Central Ave is Route 66.
As for firearm registration; registration is the first step that makes it easier to implement confiscation.
Criminals will always have guns, even if honest folk do not. They don't usually buy them at the local gun shop.
NRA member MtnDon
You sure all you did with that banana was eat it :-*
Apaknad, your age is showing ;D Route 66 was a very mediocre show. I think that's where Martin Milner really got his start.
Here's the Vet
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oh it was like a 1962/3(i could be wrong, didn't google it)
i will tuck my age away and i apoligize for showing it(it's 12:45 am here and i am getting silly). d*
yes, confiscation is the ulterior motive to incremental gun laws and registrations/restrictions. >:(
Quote from: apaknad on August 14, 2008, 11:47:49 PM
i will tuck my age away and i apoligize for showing it(it's 12:45 am here and i am getting silly). d*
Don't try to hide it...I remember watching the show. It was one of those low budget wonders...like Whirleybird. That was the first thing I ecer saw Ken Curtis (Festus) in...pretty bad too :-\
do you rmember who festus replaced on gunsmoke(trivia time)?
Australia and the UK have gun ownership bans and the criminals still have and use firearms in the commission of assorted crimes. What do you make of that?
Canada has stricter (than the USA) gun laws. There a home owner is more likely to become a victim of a daylight forced entry invasion/robbery than here. ???
Festus was Dillon's deputy. Have no idea who he really was. ???
he wasn't the original deputy, that was dennis weaver( had a bum leg and was always calling out "mr. dillon, mr. dillon").
ben,
you are being very nieve(sp?) if you trust the government to do the right thing. it will come back to haunt you.
I received this in an e-mail some time back: To all the kids born in the USA
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us.
They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes.
Then after that trauma, our baby cribs were covered with bright colored lead-based paints.
We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.
As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.
Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat.
We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.
We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soda pop with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because......
WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!!
We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.
We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!
We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no
lawsuits from these accidents.
We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.
We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays,
made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.
We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just yelled for them!
Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!
The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!
This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!
The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.
We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned
HOW TO
DEAL WITH IT ALL!
And YOU are one of them!
CONGRATULATIONS!
Quote from: benevolance on August 15, 2008, 02:59:28 AM
Don again you are using the criminal argument and it is still weak and pathetic...And this is not Australia..Fire arms are allowed here in the USA Guns are allowed in Canada.... Just not concealed weapons... Which I agree with
My point is simply that no matter what you have, registration all the way through confiscation, the criminals will still have their methods of obtaining guns. Gun laws do
not keep guns out of the hands of criminals! Never have, never will! Numerous times news reports read something like this.... "along with (place specified crime here) Mr. X was charged with illegal possession of a firearm."
Criminals will and do take advantage of the fact that the honest population has been disarmed. Same thing for concealed weapons; criminals are more likely to think twice about mugging someone, or breaking into someone's home if there is a chance that person may be armed.
We've been down this road before and we both know where it leads... you don't like guns and so therefore don't think others should have them. On that we shall disagree forever. I'm not going to say another thing about this here as it is pointless. [frus] [frus] [frus]
How to keep an idiot busy...
Let him keep posting about how gun control works
In the future, the code for this will be Code 1
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Amass 10,000 rifles, just make sure you have the 10,000 registrations to go with them. Peter you object to satellite pictures of your property yet you think this is OK. Talk about an invasion of privacy.
Quote from: benevolance on August 15, 2008, 02:05:17 PM
or let him think himself clever at which point he will post multiple laughing emoticons over and over and over
Code2
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OH sorry BENE. You wanted a registration form:
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I'm a proud daddy.
For a long time my daughter has wanted me to teach her to shoot a pistol. Tuesday we went to the range.
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45 shots in a very nice group for a first timer. Mostly shot in 2 shot groups, first shot with the long heavy da trigger pull and the second with the sa trigger pull, all at 7 yds. We rented a .22 Walther so she could shoot a lot without killing the budget. Next time we'll try something more substantial.
I did the 5 shots in the head, just to make sure I still could. Two double taps & the last round before we called it a day.
Benevolance: You said Mtn. Don's arguments were weak. So far you haven't presented any arguments, just your opinions. Long term statistics and court cases in THIS country don't support your position. The recent Supreme Court decision makes any new gun laws more difficult to write in a way that will withstand judicial challenge. For the time being, the gun control folks will need to reevaluate the playing field.
I'm a proud daddy.
Geeze John, you should be proud. That's a nice group, especially for the first time out.
Semi's always made me nervous with the kids. I drilled the drop the magazine and clear the chamber routine so hard, they still do it every time they pick one up....30 years later.
Thank You. She listened and followed instruction very well. The gun had a terrible da pull... very long and 8 to 9 lbs. She wants to try a Ruger .22 next time and perhaps a 9mm Glock.
I'm a Gov't .45 kinda guy, so I'm getting to play with some new stuff as well.
Quote from: benevolance on August 15, 2008, 01:41:58 PM
Criminals can still get guns... but we can try to at least make it harder for criminals to get a gun... And note the restrictions we have in place like filling out a form for a new gun.. getting a background check.. none of these things prevent law abiding citizens from owning or buying a gun... So none of these steps prevents you from owning firearms...You can still buy as many guns as you like...
Okay, I'm going to break my word about no more replies to this. [slap]
"You can still buy as many guns as you like"
And so can the criminals! They simply use alternate, illegal sources. So this background check stuff simply causes extra work, extra expenses, extra taxes to pay for it all...
Quote from: peternap on August 15, 2008, 03:08:42 PM
I'm a proud daddy.
Semi's always made me nervous with the kids. ...
One of the things that's nice about revolvers.
I expect she'll love the Ruger and hate the Glock...but who knows.
If you can borrow.rent one, the new Smith 22's are nice also. I picked one up a few months ago and with better than a thousand rounds through, it hasn't missed a beat. Very accurate and well balanced gun.
I'd like to get her off of .22's and into a larger caliber. I'm not a fan of .22 pistols unless it's for plinking. I'd like her to try different .38/.357's, 9mm and maybe a .380 or two. Then get real familiar with whatever she might want to own.
Speaking of .45's and .22's... Does anybody have any experience or opinions with the 22LR conversion kits that are available for the 1911?
I am a large caliber fan myself. But for plinking it's hard to beat the cost of 22LR by the brick. :)
Quote from: MountainDon on August 15, 2008, 03:29:14 PM
Speaking of .45's and .22's... Does anybody have any experience or opinions with the 22LR conversion kits that are available for the 1911?
I had one 20 years or so ago Don. It worked well and mine had the floating chamber so it simulated the recoil of the 45. It was ptone to stovepiping when it got dirty.
I never owned one but several guys in my gun club in FL had them. I don't think of them as successful. You need to readjust the sights for the .22 loads and back again when you want to use it as a .45. The ones I saw weren't particularly accurate. There are a lot good .22's that aren't too expensive.
I always reloaded my .45's and that kept the cost in check.
Quote from: benevolance on August 15, 2008, 04:52:21 PM
Don
I guess it comes down to whether or not you think owning a gun is worth filling out a form... And I guess you could ask yourself if you want to be a law abiding citizen.
It suprises me... that people feel so strongly about their right to own a gun and how wonderful it is to have them... Yet they do not feel it is great enough to fill out a form or show id when purchasing them
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Quote from: benevolance on August 15, 2008, 02:18:52 PM
How is it an invasion of privacy to ask gun owners to be responsible..I am actually a little bit flexible on registration...I do not believe in a gun tax...I do believe that all people should have to take and pass a safety course... we all think we know everything...With a gun safety is a legit concern. I am not crazy about those high powered weapons that hold 80 or 100 rounds.. armor piercing bullets seem wrong to me...But if someone wants a regular run of the mill gun to hunt with or protect their home I think that is perfectly natural.
as for satellite photos of our homes... This is an invasion...They deploy these things without asking...and for years they have monitored us without or permission or consent... They cannot tap my phone or conduct surveilance of my property on land without a warrant.. but it is okay for them to zoom in and see what colour underwear I am wearing from outer space... This is totally unacceptable IMHO
It seems they think that space and satellites are a loophole around getting a warrant to spy on us.. if we have a right to privacy on our own land then they should not be able to circumnavigate around it by flying into the air or into space...
I hope that they come up with some device where when the black helicopters fly over you flick a switch and it shuts them down...some sort of electro magneto device... Teach those bastard for flying over my land without permission
Registration and responsibility are not interchangeable words.
ED: redid the quote/reply to separate the two for wasier readability. MD
I'm thinking about a new handgun so Sassy can have my Baretta .380 semi-auto.
Any suggestions. A friend is thinking .45 revolver. I do like semi- autos.
Well, I am a long time wheel gun fan; they are very simple, dependable super simple to make safe. I especially like large caliber bullets like the 45. I've only had a couple of 22's, all other handguns have been 45's and have been revolvers. I am also totally enraptured with the action of the Springfield Armory 1911A1 semi-auto pistol. It's a real slick piece of work, but pricey; $1K plus or minus, depending on model. We've put 550 rounds through it and it has not even hiccuped once.
Go here (http://www.galleryofguns.com/Genie/Default.aspx) for an easy to use gun/dealer locator.
Quote from: benevolance on August 16, 2008, 12:12:58 AM
registration goes hand in hand with responsible gun ownership
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That is so far into left field and there's not a grains worth of truth to it; it makes me want to...
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I doubt I will ever have another registered gun. I'm not buying and owning them so the gestapo can drive right up and try to steal them from me.
Of course Glenn, that is my totally biased opinion; I don't profess to be impartial on that.
"Bigger bullets make bigger holes." There's probably something un-PC about that statement. ???
Thanks, Don. I think it will probably be something in the .45 size range.
hi glen,
for a wheel gun, 357 mag or larger non mag. stick with the .45 1911 design for auto. good knock down power and plenty of ammo around. they have had alot of time to work out the bugs. for bear/lion stoppage, clint eastwood special. i like the american manufacturers for larger handguns.
wrong!!!
tell that to the people in new orleans where the police took legally registered firearms after katrina. how old are you ben? ???
Quote from: benevolance on August 16, 2008, 12:12:58 AM
registration goes hand in hand with responsible gun ownership
Registration of an automobile does
not automatically make the registrant a responsible driver.
A driver of a registered automobile could be a total idiot, or the driver could be a complete saint, or the driver could be someplace in between. The two have absolutely no connection. None.
Registration of
any item is simply registration. Period.
The corollary to guns or any other item could be safely drawn.
Quotethe "gestapo" has not come to take away any legal firearm from a law abiding citizen.
You are so clueless it defies comprehension.
NY City's Sullivan law enacted in 1911 made it all but impossible to own (not carry, OWN) a handgun unless you were wealthy, politically connected or preferably both. If you were driving from one place where handgun ownership was legal, say PA or VA , to another, sat VT or NH, you could not legally transport the gun through any part of NY City. Not even in a locked case, locked in the trunk of your car. If you lived in upstate NY and wanted to visit someone who lived on Long Island there was virtually no legal way to take a gun with you, despite the fact that they were legal at either end of your journey. And, after nearly 100 years it's worked so well , as we all know it has kept guns out of the hands of criminals in NY City d*
The "sensible" gun registration laws in Washington D.C. made it impossible for anyone but a politician to get a permit. Retired police and military with long histories of training and responsible gun ownership were denied "permits", even if they were willing to spend large sums of money and undergo lengthy procedural paperwork. This law was the basis for the Supreme Court challenge that recently found all such laws unconstitutional.
In MA the "common sense registration" laws have transformed Boston into an area of armed predators and unarmed citizenry.
The scenario is the same in most large cities and large parts of CA, OR and WA to name a few.
You keep stating your OPINION as if it means something. You can't site any meaning full statistics or case law in this country to substantiate your position.
You are entitled to your opinion. You have the right to express it. Just don't confuse it with fact, or truth.
Quote from: benevolance on August 16, 2008, 02:15:53 AM
Glenn
If and when someone from the Gestapo actually comes for your guns you can type that... Until it happens it is fear mongering on your part. You know well and true that you can own as many guns as you like.
There are people in America that own registered guns and the "gestapo" has not come to take away any legal firearm from a law abiding citizen...
No fear mongering Peter. Check out all the illegal presidential signing orders in the last 8 or even more years for a picture of where they and we are at. Things can change as soon as the neocons stage their next disaster, or perhaps you believe the official 9/11 story? Remember Chertoff's gut feeling confirmed by Congolisa and many of the top officials --- then right after that at least 5/6 of their attempt to steal 5 nukes from Minot was foiled by true patriotic servicemen - some of whom died to stop it.
Note that the Bush/Cheney cabal still has one of the nukes - it was never recovered - 6 left - 5 were recovered in LA but Chertoff felt it or something similar could arrive in a western city. Bush and Cheney were the only ones capable of getting it as far as it got due to presidential permissions required. Note that some forget that he has never been elected (installed by so called Supreme Court first time - vote fraud kept him in second time).
Many still follow his orders. Fortunately not all do.
If you want fear mongering and a good reason to keep your Constitutional right to bear arms, current events should be a good enough reason. Open your eyes.
When they come it will be too late. The Bush crime family learned from and is basing their MO on the example set by their good friend and Prescott Bush's business associate, Hitler. Homeland - Fatherland --- sounds the same to me and scares the crap out of a Jewish lady I met who was there as a child.
If you believe the official story I am sorry for you and your family.
When they come for the guns, it will be too late.
Quote from: apaknad on August 16, 2008, 08:03:40 AM
wrong!!!
tell that to the people in new orleans where the police took legally registered firearms after katrina. how old are you ben? ???
Katrina was a practice run for them with obvious government assistance to remove the blacks from their homes and scatter them so far many would never make it back - a service to their supporters and buddies in the NO Mafia and big business. The levy was not breached until the day after Katrina with indications of major explosives and a mysterious gunfight on the Danziger bridge between NO police and Federal contractors.
The story is still being changed even as of a couple days ago where the Feds were made into citizens (so the new story goes). I was following that story very closely the day it happened so am aware of the changes - 3 times the first day that I am aware of, becoming more unbelievable as it changed.
Blackwater was used against the residents. Try to reason with one of those guys. If you followed the official stories you didn't learn of the scores of bodies floating down the streets nor will you ever if you don't research it.
Hi - we're from the government and we're here to help you.
Lucky there are still a few good government people left, but for sure - not all.
Quotegun ownership is legal and easy for all law abiding citizens.
New York City Los Angeles Chicago Philadelphia San Diego Detroit
San Francisco Baltimored Milwaukee Boston Seattle Washington Portland Fresno Long Beach Sacramento Oakland Minneapolis
Santa Ana Anaheim Jersey City
43 Million people, most law abiding, who wouldn't agree with that statement. Not to mention entire states like NJ or MA with draconian gun laws
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I'm through with this
Wow! That's a lot of folks with their Second Amendment rights being tampered with / trampled on / squashed. I had no idea it was that bad. Thanks John C
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Dittos
Not many people get what the second amendment was all about. The framers of the constitution did not want a standing army. The only way a country can be secure without an army is if every citizen is armed and trained for militia duty. This security was not just for possible foreign invaders but also for protection from the government itself. Thus the second amendment was born:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
It's really not that hard to figure out. Today we have not only a standing army but gun control as well. This undermines the intent of the second amendment. The founders knew from history that standing armies where often (nearly always) used to control their own people. This gives the government more power than it should have. Because of this the meaning of the second amendment has been twisted and distorted so most people today have a hard time understanding it's purpose. If you remove the right of the people to be armed you also remove the entire constitution and effectivly change our form of government. Today the standing army also includes the police since they've come under the control of the federal government and are used just as the framers feared. For the control of the people.
Bang on Scott!
Scott,
You are absolutely correct.
It is also a deterrent to an invading force. We think we are having problems with insurgents. Imaging an occupying force in the Appalachian Mtns., where every Bubba is armed and knows the terrain.
It is one reason the Swiss have been able to stay out of major wars. Pretty much all adult Swiss men are required to be proficient with firearms. Care to engage the well trained Swiss in their Alps?
Check out the history of what the Finnish snipers did during WWII. There kill rate was something like 40:1 A Russian general when asked about conquering Finnish territory said "We gained 22,000 square miles of territory. Just enough to bury our dead".. They lost 1 million men against the Finns.
One of Finland's most famous snipers was Simo Hayha
from Wikipedia
QuoteBefore entering combat, Häyhä was a farmer. During the Winter War (1939–1940) between Finland and the Soviet Union, he began his duty as a sniper against the Red Army. Working in temperatures between −20 and −40 degrees Celsius (−4 and −40 degrees Fahrenheit), and dressed completely in a white camouflage suit, Häyhä was credited with 500+ confirmed kills against Soviet soldiers
The Finns took poorly made Soviet rifles and accurized them. The quality of Finnish gun smithing remains to this day. Sako make some of the most accurate out of the box rifles you can find.
You are right scott. Try to manhunt someone from the mountains and in the mountains. A long exhausting effort. Had one next to Maryland that lasted 1 and 1/2 weeks near Maryland state line. 200 plus officers and the end result was apprehended but not in the short term.
i met a finnish exchange student last summer and she said the finns hate the russians... you don't see them rolling into finland like they did to semi-defenseless georgia do you? the russians are bullies and won't attack a tough army or they will get their butt kicked. >:(
I really have no intent of shooting any of them but just having something they understand is a great deterrent in protecting our rights as demonstrated by their new attitudes in the recent fire.
I did talk to the granddaughter the officer tried to impress with his finger gun and threat he would be back to get her. Usually that type of guy is one with balls the size of peanuts when his bluff is called. A little man with a badge and a gun to make him feel big. Obviously he has an inferiority complex and feels that threatening girls makes him feel he is a bit more of a macho man.
I see no reason to roll over and play dead because they have all of the force and have done nothing to make them come after me. At least it deters their little finger guns and illegally running me off of my own property. That actually made it worthwhile for me to have it and if it went to more than that it would have been their choice - not mine and one look at me told them I didn't care - it was their choice. They were able to sense that without me ever having to threaten them. They did abuse the rights of lot of people and of several at the party. More than one told me they were happy I did what I did and thought it was great that I decided to stand up against theior abuse.
I was proud of the granddaughter in that she had the guts to flip the wimp off. She mentioned that she is a gun owner and great shot also although she was unarmed at the time of his threats.
Freedom - not here - not really. Nearly every move is regulated. Many feel free as long as they don't ever step outside of the lines. Can you build shelter for your family without permission? Can you sell fresh milk from the family cow? Can you drive down the road without a seat belt? Ride a bike or M/C without a helmet? Visit a park you own part of without a fee?
Oh yeah --- these are for our own good -- not a infringement on freedom.
benevolance, I have no intention of shooting anyone or being targeted by a cruise missle. The constitution is an ideal, a very good plan for a government of and for the people. I think we can thank the second amendment for the fact that after over 200 years Americans still have some freedoms. Without it things would probly have gone down hill a hundred years sooner than they did. Do I think there is any hope of undoing the damage already done? Not really. Like all empires this one will run it's course. Not much any of us can do but watch. But that doesn't mean that we should turn our backs on the ideal. It needs to live on.
Great Britain --- every day every person is photographed on cctv and others 3000 times on the average....every DAY.
Quote from: ScottA on August 18, 2008, 07:23:56 AM
benevolance, I have no intention of shooting anyone or being targeted by a cruise missle. The constitution is an ideal, a very good plan for a government of and for the people. I think we can thank the second amendment for the fact that after over 200 years Americans still have some freedoms. Without it things would probly have gone down hill a hundred years sooner than they did. Do I think there is any hope of undoing the damage already done? Not really. Like all empires this one will run it's course. Not much any of us can do but watch. But that doesn't mean that we should turn our backs on the ideal. It needs to live on.
Kind of like the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire. I think we already have the decadence part down pat.
A good excuse for and use of a gun by an armed citizen. :)
http://www.wpxi.com/news/17223812/detail.html
Great story! Don't mess her!