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Title: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 17, 2007, 01:41:41 PM
I wasn't here most of yesterday because I joined the local Gem and Mineral Club.  Mostly because I wanted to get in tough with the local history and geology -- The Gold Rush 1849 and get the inside scoop on cool local stuff

PEG gave me permission to go but told me I had to do a report.

Randy Bolt is an Interpreter for the State of California Department of Parks and Recreation at the Mariposa Mining and Mineral Museum.  More important than that is that Randy lives his job and loves to share information with others.  He is a great asset to our club.

Randy volunteered to lead a group of interested members on a trip up Highway 140 into Yosemite and teach us some of the Geology and interesting information about the area.  Randy was previously a tour guide and teacher so you can't beat the quality of leadership he provided us.

First stop was along the highway above Bear Creek at a greenstone outcropping,  I only did a few small videos as I didn't want to use up all of my camera memory, but here is an example of the information presented to us Then I will add to the pictures as I get time.

In this area of pillow basalt and greenstone out croppings and road cuts, Randy explained the processes that have formed the Sierras.  Here is a picture of the fractured greenstone near Randy in which weathering shows the formation of the rock.

(https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d184/glennkangiser/P1000102.jpg)

As we move on down toward the Merced River Canyon, rocks will switch to slate and phyllite.

(https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d184/glennkangiser/th_P1000101.jpg) (https://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d184/glennkangiser/?action=view&current=P1000101.flv)
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 17, 2007, 02:32:42 PM
We continued on up the canyon to a Geologic exhibit -- a natural one.

(https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d184/glennkangiser/P1000104.jpg)

Along the way we could see the remains of old mining camps and bunkhouses.  Rich in many types of valuable minerals, many things were mined in the old days.  Randy explained that after the Yosemite Valley railway discontinued running up the canyon, it was no longer economically feasible to continue mining the lower value minerals such as limestone for the manufacture of cement.

http://www.yosemitevalleyrailroad.com/

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All along the river you can see the remains of the old railroad bed as it made it's way from Merced to El Portal.

More info on the above picture.

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QuoteInteresting Points along the Way
Woody - 67 miles from Merced. An immensely valuable deposit of lime rock will be utilized by the new cement plant of the Yosemite Portland Cement Plant, located at Merced.

This mile post was later named Emory after the manager of the Yosemite Portland Cement Company. Emory was his first name.
YPCCo. Hotels
The Yosemite Portland Cement Company Barracks above the Tracks.

Note that the other barracks recently burned down.

This is outside of the park and to many geologist , it is one of the most interesting features in the area.  It is a display of the oldest rocks in the area.

Erosion by the river water down to bedrock reveals a folded chert deposit which was once part of a deep sea bed.

(https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d184/glennkangiser/P1000106.jpg)

Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 17, 2007, 04:01:22 PM
Randy had prepared diagrams to hand out to us to explain the forming of the granites of the Sierra Nevada (and maybe to help part of it stick into my little pea brain).  ::)

I have reproduced one here to show some of the information he presented us.  

(https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d184/glennkangiser/Diagram1revised.jpg)
Information courtesy of Randy bolt unless otherwise noted.  Drawing reproduced in MS Paint by me. :)


Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 17, 2007, 04:03:24 PM
Is that enough to get me out of hot water for taking off? :-/



Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 17, 2007, 07:33:01 PM
More info on plate motions.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/understanding.html
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: PEG688 on June 17, 2007, 07:50:20 PM
Quote

Is that enough to get me out of hot water for taking off? :-/





It's a start  ;)

Now is that a black H 53 in the windshield , upper left hand corner??

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Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 17, 2007, 08:03:29 PM
Guess I don't get out of it that easy, eh? :-?

H53 or possibly a big bug I was too lazy to totally clean off.   :-/

Does have a bit of similarity though.

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There were several Helo's taking off from and around the valley yesterday.  I got a distant shot of a rescue chopper a couple miles away from Glacier Point with the new camera -- hand held about 50 to 1 zoom.

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Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 17, 2007, 11:45:40 PM
Back to the field trip.  We were told that the granite comes up in pulses and that El Capitan has 6 different pulses composing it.   Each pulse has its own specific make up like a fingerprint.  This picture shows magma inclusions in the granite.  As the granite comes up it melts its way through the overlying older deposits - metamorphic rocks.

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El Capitan is a favorite for rock climbers the world over.  About 3000 feet up the face of the rock, with an additional 300 feet after you clear the top rim.

(https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d184/glennkangiser/P1000112.jpg)

Later in the day we stopped and watched a few of them climbing the rock.  If you didn't know they were there you wouldn't even know it.  These are things a good guide can show you. :)

I got a shot of one using 50x zoom.  

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Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 18, 2007, 12:22:30 AM
Right above and behind us at this point ( Tunnel view) was where  Lafayette H. Bunnell arrived into Yosemite from the ridge route.  

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We talked about the original inhabitants of the valley. It is commonly taught today that the Miwok and Maidu were the inhabitants, but  our member, Yosemite Indian brought up evidence that it was Piaute people who were the early inhabitants.  See more info in our indigenous housing section.  Reply #17

http://www.countryplans.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1135060015/0

QuoteBelow is a link to the first written contact between non-Indians and Chief Tenaya and his band. It was written by Lafayette H. Bunnell, the doctor of the Mariposa Battalion and the only person to meet and write about Chief Tenaya.

http://esnips.com/web/YosemiteIndiansWebResearch

This is not the only reference Paiutes have to prove what we have to say is true.  It's really a sad part of history that many people do not know.

Yosemite Indian has made this information available for download and reading off line.  Great history.

http://www.esnips.com/doc/e3059ddf-0ce6-4b3e-ba81-96095844851c/Lafayette-H.-Bunnell;-The-Discovery-of-the-Yosemite,-1851,-and-the-war-that-led-to-the-event
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 18, 2007, 07:54:10 AM
When you first see a lot of this it overwhelms you -- information overload --- TMI... TMI  but think about it a bit it begins to make sense.

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The formation of hard and soft rings in this picture are the reason you will see pieces of this rock exfoliate in egg shell shaped pieces as it freezes or in other ways breaks. many times having sharp pointed pieces like spear heads but larger.

Randy spoke of them being formed by accretion.
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 18, 2007, 08:53:14 AM
As we headed up to Glacier Point, we stopped along the way to view the wild flowers and high country wet meadows in the Red Fir belt.  

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Lodgepole pines were in the area nearby.  Red fir has shorter limbs and is better able to withstand the massive snowfalls that can occur here.  At the base of the trees is an area of Corn Lillys.  Note the base of the trees where there is no moss.  This indicates the average snow level.

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Randy mentioned that this type of wetland is so sensitive that even building a trail across it alters the environment reducing or damming the flow of water and changing it's natural state.

Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: John Raabe on June 18, 2007, 07:24:17 PM
Terrific slide show Glenn!  :D

Very interesting. Good job on the plate tectonics diagram. I think the San Juan plate up here in WA has some similar forces at work.

We didn't get the gold and Yosemite, however.  >:(
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 18, 2007, 07:36:50 PM
The sketched out diagram by Randy goes into uplift of the coast range and the Sierra Nevada's.  After his explanations I now know why there are diatomaceous earth mines and fossilized limestone beds full of sea shells near the tops of various mountains on the coast range.  I never quite figured out how they got there.  If there is more interest in this I can sketch up more of the explanations of the tectonics.  The red pulses of granite forced their way up under the metamorphic rock above, then tilting, erosion and glaciation removed the covering from the granite domes and mountains we see today in Yosemite.

Bridalveil Fall was flowing quite well as we could see from the tunnel view, but this is a short year for water.  Very little snow left.

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Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 18, 2007, 07:52:24 PM
Here is a picture toward Little Yosemite Valley, Vernal Falls and Nevada Falls.

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With my little gorilla Pod and 50x digital zoom on my new camera I was able to get a picture of the bridge over Nevada Falls - the one on the right (I hope).  Both were taken from the same location by the railing at Glacier Point several miles away from the fall.

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Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 18, 2007, 08:04:07 PM
I guess we have the same Pacific plate working on all of our volcanic areas.  The Pacific Ring of Fire.

(http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Imgs/Gif/PlateTectonics/Maps/map_plate_tectonics_world.gif)

More here.

http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Glossary/PlateTectonics/description_plate_tectonics.html
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: PEG688 on June 19, 2007, 12:05:33 AM
Nice photos Glenn , Ring of fire  :o :o did I ever tell you about the day I ate that whole jar of hot peppers  :o :o now that was a ring of FIRE ;D
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 19, 2007, 01:07:04 AM
Wasn't it the day after? :-? :o

You are supposed to eat a bowl of ice cream afterward  so you can say "Come on, Ice cream"  after the big event. :-/

A few more pix to go but gotta work early tomorrow.
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 19, 2007, 06:57:28 AM
Here is Yosemite Valley near the time when the white man first discovered it.  Remember that the indians took care of the valley setting fires every few years to keep it clear of brush and the major vegetation and treees you see nowadays.  The oaks didn't burn with the grass fires and were kept healty so they produced good acorns.

(https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d184/glennkangiser/YosemiteValleyfromMariposatrail1870.jpg)  
This was more from like what Bunnell would have seen.

We continued on our way to our ultimate destination,  Sentinel Dome.  A nice fairly accessible dome of granite overlooking the park and the nearby world.

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Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: John Raabe on June 19, 2007, 12:58:25 PM
The native American use of fire is something we are only starting to understand from an ecological perspective. It has powerfully shaped the world we called "natural". That world appears to have been much more actively managed than the romantic european (and later American) vision of America as a wilderness "touched only by the hand of God".
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: fourx on June 19, 2007, 05:25:52 PM
The formation of the present landscape by fire mangement theory, while a nice concept, is far more likely to be the result, there as here, I think,  of the use of fire as a means of producing the maximim number of kills per hunt for the minimum amount of effort ( a Google for a book called The Future Eaters by aussie scientist Tim Flannery details this and also the extiotion of mega-fauna here, such as marsupial lions, by the same means).
In much the same technique as running a herd of bison over a cliff- and a bunch of kangaroos, here- a fire would be lit on one side of a group of trees with the wind behind it- and the rest of the tribe would be waiting on the opposite side with spears and clubs...of course, there was no way of putting the fire out, and the tribe just moved to another area of tribal lands and did the same. Each tribe moved roughly in a circle once per year, with tribes in this area moving to the coast in the cooler months where they feasted on oysters and fish, to the 3000 foot tablelands where they ate bogong moths and the usual possums and kangaroos- and burning on the way. This is the reason that gums are so widespread here- they are the only tree that can withstand repeted burning. The areas which were too damp for them to burn, such as the rainforest in the creek at the back of my house, with palms, treeferns, ceders and giant creepers show just how incredibly beautiful the country once must have been(http://home.iprimus.com.au/michellejbailey/rainforest.jpg)
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 19, 2007, 10:03:44 PM
Interesting concept, Pete.  Not the story we get today but a distinct possibility.  We do know that they used the pulp,juice of certain plants to take the oxygen from the water so the fish would float to the top to be gathered. :)
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 19, 2007, 10:51:56 PM
The local Indians tell of fires to keep the brush down , fertilize the earth - ash has lots of elements necessary for growth, and increase the Acorn harvest, John.

Randy mentioned theat the "Foresta" (town name) fire in 1991 gave us an example of what happened after fire.  It produces an area in a few years that promotes the type of plants deer and wildlife like.


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Older clean brush free areas in Yosemite.  (Photo or drawing?)

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Currently ---an area of the Foresta fire.

Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: fourx on June 19, 2007, 10:53:10 PM
"". We do know that they used the pulp,juice of certain plants to take the oxygen from the water so the fish would float to the top to be gathered. ""...
....just as the Western print and electronic media do today at the bidding of their masters. The workers float, gasping, on the surface of an endless treadmill of mortguage payments, car payments, kids education payments, in your case health payments, sedated by an excess of beer and sport. Same old, same old....pardon me for being a sour cynic.
It's not a theory- it's fact- Aborigines do just the same in central Australia today- but they use rifles rather than spears. The romantic concept of the noble savage, in tune with and taking care of his enviroment, has about the same credibility as that bullshit 1970's quote about treading on the Earth lightly, which was written by a white advertising copywrighter, and about the same relevence today as a lava lamp.
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 19, 2007, 11:46:36 PM
An environmentalist friend has used that same quote on me - with my Bobcat. :)

Massive pollution - radiation etc., is one thing -- it takes a giant corporation and government getting it's cut to make the worst of it.  Scarring of the land many times heals over to where in a half century or so it is hard to tell anything was ever there.  The ugliest scars on the face of the earth now are the big cities -- and they are not healing well. :-/
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn-k on June 23, 2007, 10:34:13 AM
Never got the rest of the pictures posted here yet. :-/

The short hike up Sentinel Dome had lots of nice views -- trees, exfoliating granite - and the sun near setting over the horizon.

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A great view of Half Dome.

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There goes the sun.

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Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: MountainDon on June 23, 2007, 11:05:59 AM
Quote
In much the same technique as running a herd of bison over a cliff- and a bunch of kangaroos, here-
There are cliff areas in the Dakotas where so many buffalo were run over the cliffs that potash is mined from their base.

The American Indians also used fire as a weapon to burn out enemy camps.
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: Amanda_931 on June 26, 2007, 08:28:30 PM
True.  And I'm always annoyed when people romanticize the Native Americans.

On the other hand they took good enough care of the land that we didn't realize how many there had been until the last decades of the 20th century.  (apparently pig-borne diseases decimated whole cities in the middle of the country)  I've heard for years that they did a lot of work "grooming" the land.  Among other things so they didn't have to go farther and farther from home to find deer for supper.

And we certainly approved of sending out trains filled with "sportsmen" to kill as many bison as possible from the trains, the "hunters" didn't ever have to get their feet on the ground.
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn-k on July 01, 2007, 02:12:40 AM
Here's one for you Amanda, --- I was on another trip today to drop off a welder and went the back road home -- not a shortcut, and I was checking out old mines etc,  from a book Harry loaned me.  I found a limestone formation in the Bower Cave area -- and following a worn trail -- I found the cave itself.  Run by the forestry now but very low profile -- it was sacred to the native Americans and was home to the chief and many ancient ones. :)

QuoteBower Cave and the Me-Wuk people

Bower Cave ( Oo'-tin ) is one of the most significant cultural and spiritual places for the Sierran Me-Wuk people. For thousands of years they inhabited the western slopes and foothills of the Sierra, including villages near Bower Cave ( Sope-nehi ) and present-day Groveland ( Pigliku and Sala ). One traditional legend identifies the cave as the home of chiefs Too'-le , the Evening Star, and He-le'-jah , the Mountain Lion.

           A story notes that the chiefs had a room on the north side of Bower Cave (probably its large chamber), and that many others lived there, including To-lo'-mah (the Wild Cat), Yu'-wel (the Gray Fox), and Kah'-kool (the Raven). One version of the legend suggests that food, left when the animal people abandoned the cave, hardened and turned into stalactites and stalagmites.

           The spiritual and religious significance of the cave carries through the Me-Wuk. Respect for these beliefs is one reason that Bower Cave has limited access and a high level of protection today, after nearly 200 years of developed use.



http://grovelandmuseum.org/Bower-Cave.html

My Pix

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Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: jraabe on July 02, 2007, 12:37:00 AM
You live in a fascinating area for sidetrips. History and mystery around every bend in the road.
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn-k on July 02, 2007, 01:14:05 AM
That's what I like about it.  I'm in one of the oldest populated  areas of the West Coast.  The gold rush brought the people to the west.

We had miners yelling "Eureka, I've found it" before the Civil War.  

More of them probably lost everything they had in search of the yellow metal, but that side of the story is not told as often. :)
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: MountainDon on July 05, 2007, 10:59:29 PM
Quote... Respect for these beliefs is one reason that Bower Cave has limited access and a high level of protection today, after nearly 200 years of developed use.

I like finding places like that too. And it's nice that the FS leaves access open, but not publicized. I've visited afew spots in Utah like that; for some there's directions to be found online or in books but others are passed around by word-of-mouth, or stumbled on.
Title: Re: Geology Field Trip
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 06, 2007, 12:01:10 AM
It was really a discovery when I looked up through the brush to my right and saw that giant gaping maw. :o

Parties and dances were held there in the old days - It was a community meeting place because it was cool in the bottom.

QuoteBower Cave History

In 1856, gold miners Nicholas Arni and Frederick Schoebel rediscovered the cave. Marble Springs Cave (later named Bower for the maple trees growing at the base of the opening creating a perfect "bower" or twined shelter) became a gathering place for the local community and travelers looking for adventure or a cool resting place. In 1861, Henri Becker purchased the cave intent upon striking it rich, not mining gold but mining pockets–tourism. Becker's intention was to develop the area into a first-rate travelers' retreat. His wife Marie was able to fulfill this dream after his tragic death in 1863. Bower Cave became a prime tourist stop between San Francisco and Yosemite. By 1874, the Yosemite-Coulterville Toll Road was active with stages, buggies and riders. Visitors to the cave paid fifty cents a tour and Marie Becker Pechart (remarried) with assistance from locally hired staff, administered their every need.

In 1898, the cave again changed hands, but not families. Caroline Becker Wenger, Marie's daughter, inherited the cave and surrounding properties. Within two years, the Wenger family settled in and became active participants in the growing Bull Creek society. Stories abound of social activities and special visitors coming to stay at the hotel and visit the cave. A pot of hot beans always sat on the stove for family and strangers alike and few friends left without carrying away a fresh-baked bread loaf.


             


The Big Oak Flat Road (today's Highway 120) replaced the Yosemite-Coulterville Road as the main entry to Yosemite. What had been a lively and active community soon became a ghost town. Despite the efforts of the Wenger Family, the cave and surrounding lands no longer provided a means of earning a living. In 1945, they sold he property to James and Ida Rice who had desires to create a Disabled Veterans' Recreation Facility. This admirable goal was never achieved.

Jack and Barbara Linkletter (Linkletter Properties) became the last private owners of Bower Cave in 1981. The family shared the cave with friends and fellow divers, but kept it out of the public eye. In 1991, through the efforts of Trust for Public Land, Friends of Bower Cave and the desires of the Linkletter family, the USDA Forest Service acquired Bower Cave. It remains under USDA Forest Service administration today.

http://grovelandmuseum.org/Bower-Cave-History.html