Someone sent me these so just for grins...
Ozone created by electric cars now killing millions in the seventh largest country in the world, Mexifornia, formerly known as California . White minorities still trying to have English recognized as Mexifornia's third language.
Spotted Owl plague threatens northwestern United State 's crops and livestock.
Baby conceived naturally. Scientists stumped.
Couple petitions court to reinstate heterosexual marriage.
Last remaining Fundamentalist Muslim dies in the American Territory of the Middle East (formerly known as Iraq , Afghanistan , Syria and Lebanon ).
Iran still closed off; physicists estimate it will take at least 100 more years before radioactivity decreases to safe levels.
France pleads for global help after being taken over by Jamaica
Castro finally dies at age 112; Cuban cigars can now be imported legally, but President Chelsea Clinton has banned all smoking.
George Z. Bush says he will run for President in 2036.
Postal Service raises price of first class stamp to $17.89 and reduces mail delivery to Wednesdays only.
85-year $75.8 billion study: Diet and Exercise is the key to weight loss.
Average weight of Americans drops to 250 lbs.
Japanese scientists have created a camera with such a fast shutter speed, they now can photograph a woman with her mouth shut.
Massachusettsexecutes last remaining conservative.
Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals violates their civil rights.
Average height of NBA players is now nine feet, seven inches.
New federal law requires that all nail clippers, screwdrivers, fly swatters and rolled-up newspapers must be registered by January 2036.
Congress authorizes direct deposit of formerly illegal political contributions to campaign accounts.
IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75 percent.
Florida voters still having trouble with voting machines.
Seems possible. :)
Not surprising President Chelsea Clinton has banned smoking- Daddy was a dangerous man with a ciger in his hand, as she would well remember. No doubt she has banned blue dresses as well.
It's all good, Pete. :-? :)
I think that by 2029 the global warming scam will have gone the same way as the millenium bug, and WMDs in Iraq, the warning that we would run out of food and oil by 2000, the overreaction that banned DDT for nothing, stuffed up all our car air conditioning for a naturally occuring occasional ozone hole , filled up your car engine with expensive anti-pollution gear, and told us 20 years back that we were entering a new ice age.
The Green zealots will still be peddleing their strange mixture of extremist politics, spirituality and superstition and laughing all the way to the bank and we will still be paying for it.
Nice if true. Without inducing a nuclear winter. :-/
I think we're going to have to disagree on that.
Obviously we can both come up with good-looking sites that support our own ideas. And criticize the other for doing phony science.
I've had disputes with friends where we fire off what we think are unassailable arguments to the other, only to find them ignored.
So I'm about to give up on that kind of thing.
Not a fan of the global warming theory then xxxx?
And, I've got to say I am a bit puzzled as to why you would think that cleaning up the crap we are spreading all over the planet "extremist politics".
I do agree with Pete that there have been many, what were at the time, totally convincing arguments for taking certain actions, DDT, millennium bug, any number of foods I should or should not eat, etc. Every time something like comes along and proves untrue or much less of a worry, it lessens how much I believe of the next expert that comes along.
However, we have managed to clean up tailpipe emissions and we have all benefited from that. It took a long time. At first it didn't seem worthwhile, crappy running engines, poor fuel economy.... But it eventually brought us the advantages of fuel injection, electronic ignition, etc. and our cars run pretty good today as well. Too bad most of us can't do too much work on them anymore, but then not having to change plugs, etc annually is not something I miss. Every so often I am reminded of cleaner running vehicles... once in a while I get behind an older car with a maladjusted carburetor; stinky. [One of the consequences of the arid SW is old cars never rust away.... once again a good/bad thing] We've also cleaned up a significant number of waterways in the USA.
I would like to see a lessened dependence on fossil fuels; mainly the ones the US has to import from politically volatile areas of the world. Not only for self-sufficiency, but also to retain the improvements in air quality we've made. Other than making some mighty fine wines and brandies, one thing that France has done well is develop nuclear electrical power. They derive 78% of their electrical energy from nukes; they are the world's largest net exporter of electrical power, and they have done it safely and without much of the, well-ok-but-not-in-my-backyard mentality.
QuoteThe Green zealots will still be peddling their strange mixture of extremist politics, spirituality and superstition...
I would like to see some of the extremist greens join, "The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement". Quote from their website, "Phasing out the human race by voluntarily ceasing to breed will allow Earth's biosphere to return to good health."
http://www.vhemt.org/ Green and very extreme group I'd say.
Close cousins of theirs, "The WildLands Project" [The goal of the Wildlands Project is to set aside approximately fifty (50) percent of the North American continent as "wild land" for the preservation of biological diversity.]
http://www.twp.org and/or http://www.wildlandsprojectrevealed.org/index.html Also quite a bit over on the extreme side of things. Both have been around at least ten years.
I'm somewhere in the middle on some of this. Propane has been a pretty safe refrigerant for years - listed in my 1944 engineering manual, and actual studies have shown that it is no more likely to toast you than that 20 gallons of gas you are sitting on, but DuPont came out with freon and lobbied to get it taken out of use. The patent protection is expired now so time to find a hole in the ozone and switch to R134A -inefficient or Duracool (propane).
Many things get an industry profit twist.
We do need clean air but while we have ways to do much more, big oil wants it done their way.
Regarding WildLands Project... I couldn't find this before.... No human activity would be permitted in the red, and only highly regulated activity would be permitted in the yellow areas. from http://www.discerningtoday.org/wildlands_map_of_us.htm
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That's disgusting, Don. :(
I've been ranting about that for awhile MtnDon - its part of the Agenda 21 "sustainable" (suspect :o ) development... if you really get into what Agenda 21 is all about - it's not a pretty picture - its part of the NWO globalist agenda to corral the "common man" & dictate where & how we can live & whether we can have children & how many (like China) All the cities are implementing the Agenda 21 guidelines because they get money from the Federal gov't (our taxes out of our pockets).
True sustainability is great but Agenda 21 is a wolf in sheep's clothing - again refer to the Liberty Garden site I posted in another thread.
QuoteTrue sustainability is great but Agenda 21 is a wolf in sheep's clothing - again refer to the Liberty Garden site I posted in another thread.
I just never jumped into this topic with both feet here before... link to Liberty Garden http://www.libertygarden.com/gateway/html/
...and the thing to remember about that map is the yellow zone would be "highly regulated"
It's hard to imagine how much more tightly regulated things could be... but one has only to search out one's own counties regulations regarding building and anything to do with building to see that things are somewhat out of hand already. Today I started adding up the various permit fees I should be paying. Some days I'm just a masochist, I know. The fees have multiplied it seems since the last time I scared myself with this foolish enterprise. :o
Flipping The Switch On Climate Change,Hoaxes & Cycles (http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Weekly/Global-Warming.htm)
I'm not familiar with Will Thomas but this article has a lot of food for thought - supporting Amanda's insistence that global warming is real...
Sure it's real- but it has nothing at all to do with a puny, short-lived species that only appeared in the last two seconds of the global clock. This quote from the site sums it up:
""For example, about 12,700 years ago average temperatures in lands bordering the North Atlantic abruptly plummeted nearly 5°C and remained that way for 1,300 years. The resulting Younger Dryas is named after a cold-loving Arctic wildflower that flourished in the US and European regions during an era that saw icebergs off the coast of present day Portugal.
Another abrupt warming took place about 1,000 years ago that allowed Norse voyagers to settle a northern green land. Three centuries later, the Norse abandoned their Greenland settlements when the climate chilled abruptly, with "profound" agricultural, economic, and political impacts in Europe. Over in the USA, the American revolution was nearly aborted by rapid climate shift as George Washington struggled to get his thinly-clad troops across the unexpectedly icebound Delaware River.
"Rapid changes in ocean circulation are linked to these abrupt climate changes," Robert Gagosian, President and Director Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution told the World Economic Forum at Davos, Switzerland in January 2003. "A growing body of evidence demonstrating linkages among ocean-related climate shifts, 'megadroughts' and precipitous collapses of civilizations, including the Akkadian empire in Mesopotamia 4,200 years ago, the Mayan empire in central America 1,500 years ago, and the Anasazi in the American Southwest in the late 13th century."
QuoteSure it's real- .... Anasazi in the American Southwest in the late 13th century."
Yup! Climate change is believed to be a significant factor in the abandonment of the lands the Anasazi lived in. However, we don't know for sure; they left no written record. Warfare, disease, political collapse, religious failures and witchcraft are among some of the alternative theories. In any event having traveled the area and many of the sites from the huge well known Chaco Canyon and Mesa Verde down to countless other smaller lesser, hidden and unmapped dwelling areas it seems that climate must have been a factor. There's no water to speak of near many of their former settlements. Something just happened to them and I'm certain there was nothing they did that had sufficient impact on their environment.
BTW, I love being an boonies tour guide. If I can ever be of assistance to anyone here, just shout. A good site with loads of info is at
http://www.desertusa.com/ind1/du_peo_ana.html
QuoteBTW, I love being an boonies tour guide.
Me too, Don, or others. Maybe we can trade trips some time.
A natural and normal climate event, now there's a scary beast. A runaway freight train that our puny, short-lived species has no hope of controlling. How long would you envisage such an event lasting, a 100 years, 500, 1000, 10s of thousands? What do you reckon our chances of emerging from that unscathed, or even surviving it at all? Or perhaps you see it all blowing over in a few years, everything hunky dory and business as usual. The problem is that advocates of the "natural climate change" line of thinking more often than not would have us doing nothing until we are sure we are heading for extinction. They don't want to spend the money, or change the system, if they are right what will it matter. Are they going to eat all that money, drink it, buy themselves a little more time or maybe a place in paradise? And you can be sure that Mr average is not going to be holding to much of that cash. The thing is that at no time in humanity's short history have we been so reliant on a reasonably stable climate. While in the past it may have been relatively easy for us to just pull up stumps and move to a better climate, right now that is hardly possible. Imagine the logistics of moving most of Australia's population to Tasmania, (that is if Gunn's haven't already stuffed it). And when the doo-doo really hit's the fan and the resources, food and water start to disappear what do you think joe six-pack's chances of getting a seat at the table would be?
Me, I'm a dead-set fan of man-made global warming and getting on with the job of doing something about it. After all what have we got to lose, there is a least a chance of halting it or at the very least lessening the impact. Sitting on our butt's squabbling about who has the best theory is not an option, continue on like that, and I'm afraid it's "good night Irene".
Besides, Amanda has just built herself a shinny new tree-house, imagine how peeved she is going to be when she find's out she has to move it to the frozen north, She's going to make our lives a misery. Of course the frozen north probably won't be frozen by then. ;)
I don't know Jonesy - you could be right - they could be right - and doing things to help prevent it could be good - :-/
Do you think the oil companies will let it happen- seems it's a battle against a group that wants to act like they are doing something but really are only working to their own benefit. The hydrogen projects they are working on make a good story but are based on oil - not on water, and they are impractical and out of nearly anybodies price range - and it doesn;t look like they will change that -- they are just stalling to keep collecting on fossil fuel. By the time we really need it they won't have made any progress with water as fuel. That will come from small backyard experimenters -- if they can survive. Seems that may be hard to do if you are really innovative and really do something provable.
If big oil has there way global warming may be with us for a while.
Don't they also say that big dairy industry and their gaseous bovines also contribute to it. Seems the small farms are less polluting but they can't make it and are locked out - laws against them selling their products even, so once again big industry rules to keep contributing to the problem. The way our laws work and corporations are favored directly works to contribute to the cycle, I think.
http://www.ecobridge.org/content/g_cse.htm
Yup - there it is - bovine flatulence. :-[
It's a weird one for sure mate. We continually hear from our governments that to take any action that would harm the fossil fuel industries will destroy our economies, put use all out of work, extra. To me that sounds like rubbish. Most of the stuff we could get on with would be relatively inexpensive, provide more jobs and increase our wealth. At the same time this would push out our fossil fuel supply's into the future. Some of the things like more economical cars, solar panels, wind generation all have benefits outside climate change. Clean burning coal technologies, better forestry management, sustainable farming practices, mass transport and local food production, the same.
The thing is, to assume that governments are not taking this seriously may also be a mistake. Maybe I am being paranoid but it seems that over the last few weeks I have seen reports that at least two governments armed forces are preparing action plans for global warming blowback. Now is this to protect their people, the corporations, or is it possible they are working on making sure that the wealth gets a comfortable ride into the next life. :-/
But right now I want to know if you have a plan for handling a hopping mad Amanda when we tell her she has to move. ;D
Just exactly how deep is it supposed to get, mate? :-?
I'm at near 3000 feet elevation - a bit short of 1000 meters out by the ol' black stump. :)
She could move her tree house here or build another one - would we drown? :o
If it came to elevation only I feel very comfortable with homebase being at 5422 ft and my mountain retreat to-be at 8689 ft. (Google Earth is amazing; I have to keep reminding myself it's not real time.) I dunno about the other aspects, food, water, etc?
We will always have enough food growing here to be self sustaining if I have my way. May have to fight the fleshy headed mutants from the cities for it though. The ones of them who are still alive will likely be headed to the country and mountains to pillage and plunder. :-/
QuoteJust exactly how deep is it supposed to get, mate? :-?
I'm at near 3000 feet elevation - a bit short of 1000 meters out by the ol' black stump. :)
She could move her tree house here or build another one - would we drown? :o
Do I hear a distant moooooo....?
Yeah, it's quite possible- but not in water. ;D
Some of those lagoons are pretty deep. The methane emanating from them is so bad that many people have suffocated working near them, even ones who are aware of the problem.
http://ncsp.tamu.edu/reports/CDC/NioshFaceReports/1992/FACE%209229.htm
There are lots of these reports, so this could add to the problem - tons of methane being produced.
Some fall in and drown besides being overcome.
http://ncsp.tamu.edu/reports/CDC/NioshFaceReports/1992/FACE%209228.htm
I think fourx's reference is to the bulls**t coming from South Hay. ;D
The thing is, he is fairly well on the money with that one. Your chances of drowning in that are better than in water (although I would have to say it is fairly well dried out by now). :) We have no water out here right now (well maybe enough to drink, for a while). We have been in a drought situation in this area pretty much for the last seven years. During that time the property I'm involved with has cut cropping year by year by around 40% on the previous year, this season we grew no crop at all. Stock numbers where reduced by about 70% at the end of last winter and if things carry on the way they are going we will probably shoot a fair chunk of what we have left in the next few months. There is still some water for stock (we have some artesian water) but no stock food.
We where informed by our Prime miniature last week, that if it doesn't rain significantly in the next two months, all irrigation in the Murray-Darling basin will cease. The Murray-Darling is Australia's most important agricultural region, accounting for about 34 per cent of the nation's gross value in agricultural production, worth up to $7 billion.
It contains 75 per cent of Australia's irrigated crops and pastures.
The value of irrigated production from the basin is estimated at $3-$4 billion at the farm gate, and four times that after processing.
Key industries are dairy, cotton, rice and horticulture, in particular viticulture. It is described as the country's food bowl, accounting for about 40 per cent of Australia's agricultural produce.
It also provides 96 per cent of Australia's cotton.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray-Darling_Basin
I have been informed by reliable sources that around 300 people have left this town in the last 12 months. That is about 10% of our population, I would assume that that figure would be the same for a lot of the small farming communities in the region. A significant proportion of the work force, mostly heading to the larger regional towns and the coast. (more consumers, less producers). If the situation out here gets much worse, I would imagine that a lot of the property owners will follow.
Now isn't that a nice global warming feeling ;)
Incidentally, a good chunk of Australia is in some sort of water trouble. Most places around the eastern seaboard, Victoria and south Australia, have some kind of water restrictions, fourx's area is probably one of the few that have had any decent rainfall this year.
Yeah, it's a tough situation, jonsey, and it sounds like you are right in the thick of it.. You are also correct insofar as the NSW mid-North and North coast has had a more normal run of seasons, aside from 2003 when there were massive bushfires throughout the state, including here.
During the late 19th to early 20th century I seem to recall that there were a series of severe droughts at least as massive as this one in the Murray/Darling area, however, and both rivers dried up to a series of water holes...there would have been countless situations as dire as this prior to white settlement,- the one difference being that rather than at least half the population being illiterate, newspapers being a week old before they were read ( or nine months, in the case of overseas print media), no phones, little free time and no electronic media or internet, communication nationaly and internationaly is now instant and the marketing and scaremongering possibilities far too juicy to resist.
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What do you do for Mexicans, Jonesy? We have a population of about 66% Mexicans in our area CA as far as I know - If our migrant workers left it would be much more than10% - the farmers would not know what to do. That's part of the reason the feds won't do anything about illegals.
Pete -- any chance you could send some of this over here. :-?
Quotemassive bushfires
The other half of the scientists are now chiming in saying that they don't think Greenhouse Effect is causing global warming...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=440049&in_page_id=1965&in_page_id=1965&expand=true
...and the area refered to in Jonsey's post above has just recieved good rain- the first such in about seven years, but not uncommon in a semi-arid region, and as I pointed out droughts of this size have been common here for thousands of years- it's the driest country on earth, with a fertile coastal fringe about 100 K's in from the sea where 98% of the population live. Same old, same old- bring on the next Green scam...
Yep, things are looking good, we have had about 20mm (¾") over the last four days. Not drought breaking but we should have a nice bit of green pick for the stock if things hold up. I should point out, that to say "we have had no rain in the last 7 years" would not be entirely correct, in fact during that time we have had pretty much normal rainfall and in some of cases above average.
Anyway we have found the solution to global warming, we intend to build a giant beer fridge. ;D
(http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200704/r140756_484496.jpg)
Pinched from here http://www.abc.net.au/tv/differenceofopinion/ by cartoonist Warren Brown, and where you can find, at least in part, an interesting discussion on climate change.
I see you have the entire earth in there, Jonesy.
Do you have some method of ventilation planned :-?
I love pizza and beer. ::)
No problem Mate, they'll get plenty of air when we open the door to get the beer out. And of course it's a green fridge, totally solar. ;D
Of course, being an ABC fridge ( the ABC is a Left-leaning haven for 70's Sociaist Dark Green zealotry where sweeping statements such as "" polls suggesting that up to 70% of us want something done to address global warming "" are the norm rather than the exception) it will be so slanted in one direction, you'l only have to open the door and the beers will fall out by themselves. ;D
Don't panic mate, apparently the right are back in charge. ;)
http://www.roadtosurfdom.com/2007/04/15/good-morning/
..ahhh...what a great read, jonsey. Suddenly my laptop smells of Chardonnay and Latte, and I have an overwhelming urge to dress in black, label everything that fits my PC mindset as ""appropriate"", vote Green and sport a pair of glasses as wide as windscreen wipers.
Ah, well, I knew if I waited long enough I'd find a use for that inflatable Aboriginal disabled dyslexic middle-class multicultural amputee lesbian ABC doll....
Drag yourself on your stumps over here, dear.... ;)
How do you feel about Kath and Kim, Pete? They still on?
I've heard of them, Glenn, but I havn't had a TV for the last seven years ( we burnt it in disgust during the 24 hour Olympic sports-fest here in 2000) so I havn't seen them.
The ABC in the person of Classic FM, which is the national classical station, is great, and that and the Net and books is entertainment enough.
The journalist side of the ABC has for at least the last thirty years been extremly Left-wing and very biased indeed- pro-gun control, pro-republicianism, pro-feminaziism, pro-Green, pro-Reconciliation- a twee, trendy term for the non-stop taxpayer funded partying which sees Aborigines die seventeen years before whites- you name it...if it's social engineering with a hard-Left agenda, they'l push it.
I don't have a TV either - can't stand to hear commercials or listening to Bush trying to express whatever it is he has that represents a thought.
Jonesy got me started on Kath and Kim- very funny and a great change from American sitcoms - I refuse to dumb myself down enough to think they are funny.
Speaking of funny - do you know Cane Toad? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3ENUqV5-bw
Slightly off color. ;D
Quote... Kath and Kim- very funny...
I'm totally in the dark. :-[ :-/
They are a couple of hilarious Aussie gals - Kath is the mom.
Great comedy -- you don't have to pretend it's funny like you do with American sitcoms such as Friends - etc.
http://www.kathandkim.com/
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Found a few links.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRFUMUKP408 outtakes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mn1yma3bJk&mode=related&search=
Now, for the not so funny... :-/ http://www.alternet.org/story/58477/?page=3
Frankenforests: GE Trees Threaten Ecosystem Collapse
By Dara Colwell, AlterNet. Posted August 2, 2007.
Across the U.S. and the world, the timber industry is driving research behind genetically engineered forests. But environmentalists worry that it will open an ecological Pandora's Box.
"Contamination is inevitable and irreversible," says Petermann. "Regulations need to be put in place now to properly address and assess the risk from these trees because the industry is getting them out there without public debate. Once it's too late, it really is too late." con't at link above